0:00 Good evening. We got another amazing show lined up tonight. Make sure you get down, get some popcorn, listen, open your Bibles. We're going to talk a lot about some different aspects of the UFO hearing that happened. The first one, we're going to have another one coming up this next week. So make sure you watch the channel for that. But tonight they mentioned some very interesting research that a friend of mine, Joe Jordan, has done. And not directly by name, but it's very interesting with the direction and the questions that they're asking, because we all know where this is heading. It's heading in a spiritual direction. So you'll see the rest in just a moment. Stay tuned. I don't care if you think I'm Satan reincarnated. The evil spirits of the will declare themselves to be inhabitants of five distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet Earth of the impending destruction.
1:25 It is now 90 seconds to midnight. I still think these are what people call angels. I'm dying to know what they've got to say. Pretty severe suffering brings them. These entities have the ability to appear in any form. Welcome to Strange Normal. My name is Bradley. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what is going on. And there's a lot going on. So make sure you hit that subscribe button, hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen. Well, we got some interesting stuff happening because this last week we had some, um, a UFO hearing where they came and brought four different witnesses, whistleblowers before the, uh, the house. I think it was the house. Maybe someone's going to correct me, but they had a lot of things that are happening. A lot of questions that would ask, but one particular one that I really want to focus on tonight is the question that ran out of time. And we're going to show you that tonight, but before we do that, I'm going to bring in my guest tonight.
3:24 Joe Jordan. Thank you so much for being with us tonight, Joe. Thank you, Bradley, for having me back on. It's been a while. Absolute. Yeah. Your research is pinnacle. And we, we even have you in the intro of this show because I think that you, you, your, uh, direction that you set all this stuff has really shown a lot about what's happening and the book that you wrote also. So, uh, tell me, um, did, did you watch the hearing? I did. Interesting, huh? It was. I have a couple of clips from it. I thought we would, uh, just kind of go over the specific one that I, I was, uh, talking with you about before the show, uh, would be the one that I want to look at. Um, let me bring up my clips here. They're all in alphabetical order and outer order tonight. So everyone's got to give me a little bit of, uh, extra, uh, room here while I try to find the exact clip. But, um, it should be, oh, I think it's this one. Let me see if I can, I can get it rolling here. That one. I'm going to cut it over and maybe cut this extra stuff out at the end of the show. Um, Pentagon officials believe the demonic. That's not the one. Oh, no. Let's see.
4:58 Greer. Joe, usually I have all these in show order, but tonight I thought it'd be fun to actually name them appropriately instead of one, two, three, four, five, and the file names all put them in alphabetical order for me, which has confused me terribly. So let me just read through this list real quick. This is the clips I have. We might not play all these tonight, but at least reading through this stuff will help me figure out which one it is. Bledsoe, sometimes you got to figure out if these things are, what was the nature of these things? And some of these podcasts, you can kind of figure out the nature of these things. So these are some of the clips I have tonight. Bledsoe, he says they are angelic. The Catholic angel hierarchy is a match according to one of the commentators, which I think is, that was interesting.
5:48 CBN talks about war and UFOs. Christian. What is this one? This might be, oh yeah, he's, there's one of the people commenting on the show tonight on the UFO hearing was actually, says he's Christian. I think you sent me that clip. We actually also have a clip from Dave McDonald, who I think you know who that is. He's the ED of MUFON. He's talking a little bit about how it got started. I thought that would be interesting to talk to you about because I didn't even know some of this stuff. And how legitimate it is and how it got started. Gary Nolan, NHI's Augmented Reality, let's see. We can go with this one. Lou Elizondo and the Spiritual Aspects.
6:39 That's what the clip was I wanted to show you. Okay. Watch this. In our previous panel, we had Grush and he had testified to say that some of these were interdimensional beings. Can you speak on that at all? Ma'am, I'm not qualified, certainly as a scientist or otherwise, to speculate points of origin. I looked at everything from a scientific perspective. So if you look at, for example, instantaneous acceleration, which was one of the observables of the program that I belong to, ATIP, the human body can withstand about 9G forces for a short period of time before you suffer negative biological consequences, blackouts and ultimately redouts and even death. Comparison, our best technology, the F-16, which is one of, it's an older platform, but one of our most highly maneuverable. Aircraft, manned aircraft, made by General Dynamics, can perform about 17 or 18 G forces before you start having structural failure, meaning that the airframe begins to disintegrate while you're flying.
7:34 The vehicles we're talking about are performing in excess of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 Gs. So are you, I guess, would it be safe to infer that they're living craft? You know, I'm not prepared at this point to state for the record. For the record, is something alive or not? Because even that definition, sorry, there was a time in science we thought that life required oxygen, and we now know that's not true. There are anaerobic bacteria that thrive in oxygen environments that lack oxygen. And also same with photosynthesis. When I was in college, I was told everything is derived from photosynthesis as a form of energy. In reality, that's not true. There are things that live off of chemosynthesis. So we're constantly having to reevaluate. All right. So we're understanding what the definition of life is.
8:27 Do any of you ever come across reports from people that claim to have firsthand experiences with these entities, whatever they might be, or these aircraft, and then as a result, whether or not they're religious, find that these things will automatically disappear? This is open to any of you on the panel. All right. I'm going to pause it right here just for a second, because that was a fascinating question. And I liked how she led up to the question by asking. So do you think that these things are living? And then when she started saying, hey, you know what, if you have noticed that, according to our research, we've seen that these things, oh, how did she say it? That these things are, let me just rewind it real quick just to hear what she said. Definition of life is. Do any of you ever come across reports from people that claim to have firsthand experiences with these?
9:21 Yeah. That these entities, whatever they might be, or these aircraft, and then as a result, whether or not they're religious, find that these things will automatically disappear? As if they are religious, that these things will disappear. That reminds me a lot about your book. And so I think it's really interesting what she's saying here. And reading between the lines, I think she's talking about your research. What do you think? Yeah, it sure sounds like it. She's asking if anybody has been able to use their faith. Their religious belief or faith to be able to stop these experiences, whether they be UFO, UAP, and she's probably referring to abductions as well. That's really interesting. And she says that these things disappear whether or not they are religious or not. It's a cryptic way of saying when they take the name of Jesus, these things seem to go away. You know, in my research, most of the work that I've done has been on abductions.
10:24 One of the first times I ever had an opportunity to talk in Roswell, New Mexico, was back in 2000. That's the first trip I made out there. And we did a grand opening for my partner Guy Malone's little coffee house he had opened at the time called Alien Resistance HQ. And it was one street over from the UFO Museum. And we did a grand opening with the Chamber of Commerce, ribbon cutting ceremony, the whole works. And then we did a one-day sort of conference inside where we just invited everybody for free to come by. And myself, Guy, and Pastor Chris Ward, we all had a chance to speak that day. And at the end of my talk, even though my focus was on abductions, I had a New Mexico gentleman, a local, that raised his hand.
11:18 He wanted to ask a question. He says, you ever come across people that have been able to stop a sighting? And I said, no. I have in my reports. It's just it's not been my focus. And he says, well, I'm one of those. And he had a magazine in his hand. It was an older UFO magazine. And in the magazine was an article on him, on his personal story. And he was a longtime resident of New Mexico. He was Mexican-American. And when he was younger, he had gotten into drug dealing and not-so-good things. And he was a former resident of New Mexico. He was Mexican-American. And when he was younger, he had gotten into drug dealing and not-so-good things. And he was a longtime resident of New Mexico. And he was a former resident of New Mexico. And when he was younger, he had gotten into drug dealing and not-so-good things. But coming from a Catholic background, which they're very strong in, in their faith as Catholics, the Mexicans are, his mother reminded him of something over and over and over.
12:07 He says, son, keep in mind, you believe in God. You believe in Jesus. You may not be doing the right things. But if you ever have something, you're ever in a situation where you need help, call out to Jesus, he'll be there for you. And he never forgot that. His mom always instilled that into him, that that was available for him, even if he wasn't walking the walk, you know, as a true believer. Well, the story was about an incident where they were doing a purchase for drugs one night, late at night, up on a high plateau there in New Mexico. And a plateau is, you know, it's a raised area, and then it's got cliff areas on the sides. And they had gone up on one end of this long plateau, him and the guys he was with, and they were supposed to meet the people on the other side that were going to come up. They had the drugs, and they were going to pay them the money. Well, when they came, they were out there waiting, and then the other people started to show up. All of a sudden, on the other end of the plateau, down at the far end of it, from where they were, there was a guy named James. And he was sitting there, and he was sitting there, and he was sitting there, and he was sitting there, and he was sitting there, and he was sitting where they were. All of a sudden, these lights started appearing, coming up from the edge of the plateau. And these giant craft appeared. And they started proceeding toward the area where they were on the opposite end. And in sheer panic, he remembered what his mother told him, because he said, this doesn't look good. They thought it might have been the Air Force or the military or somebody, and they were getting ready to be busted. So he cries out, Jesus, Jesus, help us. And then instantly, these things stopped right in front of them, and then started backing up, and then away they went. And they captured this story in this UFO magazine, and this was back from the 70s and 80s, you know, way, way back in there. So I was fascinated to hear that story and see the article in it that they actually got published. So it's not unusual for people to be able to stop these sightings through the name and authority of Jesus Christ, as it is with abductions.
14:27 Wow. Wow. And so is this the only story you've heard about this, about people stopping? Oh, no. Over the years, there's been many stories like this, you know, especially coming from true devout believers that, you know, walk-the-walk believers, that, let's say, lights in the sky, something appearing on their forehead, or something like that. You know, there's been a lot of people on their farm, you know, where they're just, they're not going to have any part of it, and they rebuke it, and it's gone. See, there you go. And as you are a part of more than just your current job, but you do other investigations on the side, can we talk a little bit about that? Sure. Okay. So I know you're a member of MUFON. In fact, you were a former director of MUFON in another country while you were stationed out there. Stationed. Yeah. If that's the right word. Yeah, I was national. Yeah. For 11 years, I lived in South Korea. I'm a safety professional. And at the end of the space program, the shuttle program, I should say, I was working out at Kennedy Space Center. And as the program died out, I figured I better go find some work somewhere because the area around Kennedy Space Center was kind of devastated when the program, you know, stopped. And I knew I wasn't going to find a decent job with thousands of people out of work ahead of me.
15:52 So I opted for overseas contracting and ended up in South Korea supporting the US military as a safety professional. But I wanted to continue my work with investigations over there. So I contacted MUFON and I said, you know, you don't have any organized section over here in Korea, I see. And they're saying, Oh, you want to be the director? And I said, Okay, you know, so I'll take that. And I'll see what I can get going over here and get into the research on this side of the world. And I did that for quite a few years. And I've also been the state section director for Brevard County here where the Space Center is located for quite a few years. So but right now, I'm just I got my field investigator status again. And just recently, and I'm a 30 year member, lifetime member, they call it and I'll be with them till I pass on I'm sure. Very good. I wanted to play a little clip of it. So it's a, I think it's from your executive director. His name is I could find it here. What is his name? Dave McDonald. Dave McDonald is the executive director of MUFON. And he kind of expounded upon how the system got started. And and I realized everyone's going wait, wait, wait.
17:22 I want to hear more about the clip. How did Lou Elizondo answer that question? Because that's the whole crux of this thing and going into that. But before we do, I want to establish your credibility, Joe, as, as, as in this field, because MUFON is really an incredible, incredible agency. And I really, yeah, I really respect it now, especially now. And now I know more history about it. So here's some of the history about it. Watch this. Thank you. I am Dave McDonald, the executive director. As the executive director of MUFON, I can only mirror what you've heard already. MUFON's been around 55 years, I think, 1969. And it became because the Air Force shut down Project Blue Book. So there was no place for people to file their reports. The Air Force actually came to MUFON, said, Here's the forms. Here's a 12 step investigation procedure from the fbi go get them and we have for all these years today we have the largest ufo database on the planet 1.2 million pieces of evidence and the coin a phrase from one of my predecessors quite famous he said the evidence is embarrassingly abundant so i'm going to pause right there this was a a stream that um was done right after the hearing uh that was uh uh streamed also on my channel and so i think it's it's interesting that uh he's saying that the air force came to them and this whole thing came out of the government and said you know what you guys do it now if you guys want to continue this this process we got to shut down this arm of the government or this arm of the branch of this thing yeah so interesting so you're a part of this and you've done uh several uh maybe tens maybe hundreds thousands i don't know how many how many reports do you think are if you've counted that you've done so far well sighting reports um maybe a couple dozen but that was back when i was doing you know as an investigator doing sighting sighting report follow-ups here in bavard but uh as far as cases go for abductions abductions is a different story um abductions i've worked with well over 700 cases in the past 25 years but abductions aren't something that's the the meat and potatoes for mufon mufon is the their focus is the scientific investigation of ufos okay and even though that's their focus they're just touching into abductions a little bit but the problem is there's no real way to scientifically investigate abductions that's a whole different scenario compared to you know things that they can actually capture on camera and and trace marks and you know radar and things like that dealing with sightings um i've had the opportunity over these past 30 years that i've been a member to talk personally with five of the past directors mufon directors about my work and one-on-one they all agreed that they were going to be able to do it and they agreed that i had done the work properly my research properly but they all also agreed that it's not something that mufon could support because uh it's it's separate from mufon's you know uh main agenda so that's why i formed ce4 research to do the research but make sure that everything was open for peer review all the way along you know in my research which i've done very you know i'm i'm always
21:17 re-supporting of mufon and i have to give mufon the credit for being able to do the work the right way the training that i received as a field investigator way back when is what enabled me to do the research that i do with ce4 the proper way as they say and i commend them for that for their training i commend them for teaching people how to do scientific research the correct way not the backwards way you know you don't go for the craziest answer first you rule out everything possible that's that's right there in front of you before you get to crazy answers you know that's the right way to do the research and this is something they teach you yeah establish whether or not they are uh medicated establish whether or not they are on a little bit have had past um mental issues establish whether or not they are credible and and then if they are still having this strange experience then you can probably go into more details i mean it's probably a lot of questions you got to ask them in order to figure out this stuff well look at what he said there's 12 pages that they gave us for for doing investigations uh just on sightings alone so you have to eliminate a lot of things to get down to what you're actually dealing with now keeping in mind and any mufon person will tell you this that after all of these years of doing investigations they can say that not everything that 98% of reports that come in are misidentified, misidentified natural phenomenon or man-made phenomenon. Now, keep in mind that same type of effect shows up in the abduction experience. You have to rule out all those other issues first, like you were just saying, to finally get to the root cause of what's happening to them and to be able to make a determination.
23:14 Uh, is this an actual alien abduction or is it something else? And then, you know, and that's only a limit after eliminating a lot of things that it could be, uh, you know, like you said, drugs or a medical condition or, uh, you know, just a bad dream because of the pizza they ate or whatever, you know, you have to eliminate all those things just like dealing with a sighting report. Yeah, very good. And you have, you mentioned your CE4 research. I also want to, uh, you to talk a little bit about your. Book that you have out too. Um, and I see, I see the picture of it behind you on your, on your left. Oh yeah, there you go. This was, this was interesting book. I expected, uh, I didn't, I didn't realize how much of it was experienced, you know, what happened in the experience and how they overcame it. That was really what floored me when I haven't, I haven't actually finished the book yet, but I'm, it's, it's a lot.
24:15 Well, when you get done with it, there's, uh, another 200 more testimonies. If you still want to keep reading the best one on these, you know, just so people know how the book is laid out. The first it's, it's got three parts to it. The first part is my work of 25 years and how I came to where I am now with the findings that I have. And then the middle part of the book, uh, I left it open for question and answers. And what I did is I thought. I can't come up with the questions for this. I need the questions that come from people that aren't as knowledge of this, or, you know, to get the right questions out there to be answered. So I had a Facebook page, um, up at the time for CE4, and I put it out there to my followers. I said, if anybody wants to be in my book, come up with a question you would ask. And if nobody else has asked that question, I'll credit you for the question in the book.
25:11 So the names that you see credited to the questions is where they came. From those are my followers. Um, and they all, they did pretty good. They gave me 35 good questions that I'd stuck with. And what I did is I started answering the questions. I started looking at them and going, you know what? My buddy Ian Juby in Canada answered that one much better than I could ever answer it. And I agree with what Ian said, or Michael Heiser answered that one much better than I could answer it. And I'm just going to use what he answered because I agree with his answer. So I let people. I let people know right up front when the questions section that all of these questions are being answered in agreement with my thinking and my research and findings on this. It may not be me answering the question, but I agree with the person I'm using that's answering it for me.
26:02 And I think they could do it much better. So that's how the middle section is put together. And then the third section, the back part, is the largest part. And those are the testimonies. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. And I thought, oh, we got to narrow this down. So we decided to go with 60 plus testimonials. And I always remind people, how many testimonies is it going to take anyway for you to understand? understand what I found here is true because the testimonies they're still coming in I just got one today just today that uh a gal's reaching out saying I need to share my testimony with you because I wanted to be up there to help somebody else 30 years I've been doing this and they're still coming in because every time I do a show or a or a conference or something and there's people that haven't heard of my work somebody gets touched and said you know they want to share I've stopped that in that way I want my voice heard so that people know what this phenomenon really is not buddha not christian but in the name of jesus christ I think that's really amazing and so uh I want to tell people if you want to support joe and his his uh his book is also available piercing the cosmic veil you shall not be afraid of the terror by night we'll put a link in the uh in the comment section in the pinned comment at the top in the description for that um I wanted to uh continue on to the what actually uh lou alessandro said in the answering this question because I thought it was very interesting so we might go over that question uh again and then here's answer here we go religious find that these things will automatically disappear anyone this is open to any of you on the panel so just real quick because I'm running out of time blue uh ma'am um I've always been a nuts and bolts kind of guy when I was at a tip um I was focusing more on the performance characteristics and not less on the the potential occupants okay um the reason I ask is because it seems like just based on our conversations that we've had people that say that there are good and bad of whatever these things are and so my concern from a national security perspective is is a that true b are you guys hearing the reports of that and c I think moving forward in regards to technology mr gold if you can answer this real quickly some of these aircraft it seems that they are operating off of the air traffic and they're operating off of the air traffic and they're operating off of energy that we don't currently have uh but just yes no in your opinion if we were able to obtain that would that impact humanity for the better or negative would certainly save us some money on funding on Artemis my name is Matthew Robert okay obviously he uh he I felt maybe maybe I'm wrong here but I felt he kind of dodged the question a little bit and maybe that was for a purpose because they were in a setting and you want to mix religion with with politics I'm not sure exactly why maybe maybe there's something nefarious maybe not but maybe you have some insight on that Joe I kind of agree there that it's probably because of the setting um I know she's Mrs Luna is well aware of this type of work uh and findings and not just her but in a prior um a prior setting just like this um there was uh representative Marjorie Taylor Green and I believe the Bible and I think that to me honestly I've looked into it and I think we have to question if it's more of the spiritual realm angels or fallen angels and that's my honest opinion so we have two people that was uh representative Marjorie Taylor Green from
30:00 Republican from Georgia so we've got two representatives here that are both seeing a spiritual aspect to this they're just not getting the ability to ask the right questions in the right setting and I think that is what needs to change here right now they're listening to all the government officials and military officials um as whistleblowers but I think if they're gonna get real answers to what's happening here they've got to open up to the secular researchers they've got to be able to have our voice heard to be able to weigh against what they're hearing there you know Tucker Carlson said this in one of his interviews he said everything you're seeing from these these panels is talking about EBE extraterrestrial biological entities physical this everything physical okay physical beings from other worlds but the rest of the the of the secular world uh the scientists the researchers that have been doing this for a long time they've already made that change where they're seeing something that's entirely different looking to see it more interdimensional or extra dimensional or hyper dimensional whatever you want to call it uh Christians from this same research realm we call it the spiritual realm you know because that's what it is it's it's either that or it's the realm we lived in you don't care how many dimensions you think it is but we know that there's this one and the one that they live in and these are beings that have been alive and been around since we've been here Louie has alluded to that in his book in interviews and he kind of gives that hint that this is a perspective that probably should be looked at more you know other perspectives need to come up um to be looking at this phenomenon from which is what I've been doing and looking at it from a different perspective all these years I had an opportunity to look at it from two different other perspectives as I was just coming into this uh this phenomenon I started out as a secular humanist so I had that perspective I looked at everything from and then I became a new age practitioner for four years so that was another perspective I looked at it from but it wasn't until I became a Christian that the answers actually started coming together and I think that's what we're up against right now Tucker Carlson said they don't want us to look at the spiritual and I think that's exactly what we're seeing here in these in these hearings is they're not allowing that part to come up because I think that it starts to fit like a hand in a glove okay and that's something that that they're afraid of right now they've got control they're putting fear out there with this phenomenon and that causes us to want to be protected and that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to keep that control of protection but as a true believer in jesus christ i don't need there we know where the protection truly comes from especially with these beings from the work that i've been able to show you know i i got to give you a little story um i think lou he's in a position to where he could share a lot of really good truth to this phenomena i just think it needs to be in the proper settings i think that if the proper grounded christian researcher or podcast or uh would interview louie and ask him the right questions i think we could get a lot more information than what we're getting out of those commission hearings um you know in one setting i think he would be more open to leading us more to that direction of what he actually possibly believes himself and the reason i say that is because i had a personal opportunity in 2018 to meet and talk to louis elizondo i i haven't shared this over the years but i think it's time that i do share it um he may never support what i'm saying here but i have to tell you i wasn't alone when i talked to him there was somebody else there so i do have support that what i'm telling you is the truth and i hope that what i shared with you is what in what louie said to us true because i have felt that it was all this time and i'm hoping that it still is and i just think he's in a predicament as far as how much he can share and and how much he's being controlled i don't know if he's being controlled actually but there's a possibility there um i was at the
35:00 mufon symposium in 2018 in philadelphia i'd come back from korea to visit family and i timed it around the symposium so i stopped off in philly and on friday night was the banquet dinner that they hold you pay a little extra for the banquet dinner and the keynote speaker in 2018 was louis alessandro uh he had just he was just coming out and giving all this information he was the man to listen to at the time and when i'm sitting there at the table i had two pastors that came down from new york to the conference and they knew i was going to be there and i had a chance to hook up with them and spend some time with them there that weekend and one was sitting to my right and another one two two more people over and we're all sitting at these big round tables in the banquet hall and louis starts into his talk where he's given the descriptions of what they're seeing and uh and the physics involved that they're trying to understand and the word came over me while we were sitting there listening to that and i said ah that's what this is and i wrote i was looking for a piece of paper and i couldn't find one all they had were these little tiny square napkins that went under your uh your drink glass most of them are all wet well i did find one dry one and i asked the pastor next to me i said you got a pen he goes yeah he pulls this pen out and i write down on this napkin this word and i show it to him and his eyes are on it and i'm like oh mine's got real big he goes yeah and then i said pass it over to the other guy the other pastor and he passed it over to him and he did same thing oh yeah and i the word that i put down on there was manifestation because everything that i was hearing them talk about was describing a a manifestation from a spiritual being into our realm okay we were they were just they were describing the abilities of angels when they manifest into our physical realm that's exactly what they were talking about and i said man if i just had one minute to talk to louis alessandro i'd like to just bring that point across to him and see what he thinks yeah and after the dinner everybody dispersed most of the people went to the little bar inside the lobby there they had a huge lobby but the one pastor and i that was sitting next to pastor i was sitting next to me we went out into the lobby and we're just sitting there talking um because i probably won't see these guys again so we're just sitting there chit-chatting and i said you know i'd give anything to be able to just talk to him for a minute and i said well that's not going to happen he's got an entourage following him around you know because he was the big guy on the scene there at that symposium so we chatted a little more and then the pastor he's got his he's looking to where he's can see the bar he's facing opposite you know looking to the pastor i can't see the bar and then the pastor says i think you just got your opportunity to talk to louis and i said what he goes he's headed to the bathroom and he's going alone and i thought we're going to go we're going to go corner into the bathroom he goes oh no no he goes he's got to come out at some time and i said good that's good let's go so we went over there and we mingled around outside the men's room we were just chit-chatting you know just just happened to be where we were standing and lo and behold louis comes out and i thought this is going to be perfect and that pastor soon as he come out the door and louis got to us the pastor reaches out his hand and he grabs him like he's doing the trump handshake oh yeah where he grabs the other hand with both of his hands and he's holding him and louis got this you know you know how he looks like like this all the time you know and he's looking right at us and he goes uh how can i help you and i said louis you know we we heard your talk in the in the you know that you did out there at the dinner and i said uh something came to mind i said we're christian researchers ufo researchers and louis paused for a second and he's looking at us very stern and he he says i'm also a christian i've been a christian since 2008 i wear my faith on you know my forehead and my hand and he says uh how can i help you and i said well in our research and listening to what you were describing tonight in your talk everything you were describing we believe is what a christian
39:51 would call a spiritual manifestation of an angelic being and he pauses and he's still holding the pastor's hand and he pauses and pauses and pauses looking for the right words and he finally says you're right and he takes his hand takes his hand back and i said thank you sir and he says thank you and he walked back to where his people were i got disclosure that night i have no doubt he was telling me the truth i honestly believe he was he had no reason not to because if anybody was to question him on this i'm not sure we'd remember it but you know i'm not telling you i made this up i didn't make it up i had a friend right there with me another pastor so i truly believe he he understands what this is but they're doing something that is very normal for um the type of people that work that way you know in psyops what they're doing and i believe he's been doing this all along he's giving us enough to figure it out on our own and i think that's the way that this has to work for disclosure to be believed it has to be it has to come from us ourselves it can't come from the government we don't trust the government there's too many secrets being held the agencies that we're relying on for the truth their sole purpose has been to deceive and miss and and build mistrust you know in the way they work so the answer is not going to come from them it's going to come from the government but louis talks in a way that he feeds you in okay where you all of a sudden go aha i know what that is just like i experienced that night and then if you if he's called on it i think he'll agree to it but we came up with the answer okay and i think when that happens we own it we believe it and i think that's the way true disclosure is going to have to come about it's it's really interesting that you should say that because from the very beginning uh i remember even when i was putting the clips together for starfall chris mellon in in that in the documentary starfall uh i remember i put in there he said that uh in order for us to get this moved forward we'd have to first get the get uh the people interested in it to get congress interested in it to get to move the arm of the government and so my thought though is and i've heard lou elizondo say this over and over again my goal is to uh get clarity on this subject and get this out in the open and and make sure that people are are are know the truth behind this stuff so we don't have to keep it secret anymore but what i i'm but my concern is people like stephen greer i'm not just throwing out names and trying to make people under the bus you know throw people on the bus but stephen greer is his main goal there's a lot of people in this field with this main goal is to get people to communicate with them and that's where i'm really concerned about because that's the next step once we find out that or once the general public perhaps non-christian or semi-non-christian find out that oh yeah there's other beings out there let me communicate with these things and then maybe they can tell us things that we don't know which is idolatry anytime you go to another entity aside besides christianity you can tell us things that we don't know it's god it's idolatry it's a it's a fine line we're walking right now especially with what he's doing um the the sad thing is he the work that he's doing is has a good potential to bring the people to understand that this is a spiritual experience that these are spiritual beings but on the other hand we have to live with that danger of people being seduced by them and the power that they can offer to them and to the people that they can offer to them and to the people that they can offer or the pseudo power that they can offer that's the danger that that's that's part of this but i think that danger's been there all along throughout history you know that's why soothsayers and seers always went to that dark side you know because of special abilities special knowledge and it's no different today than it was then and these these sources will give you
44:33 information if that's what you're looking for uh may not be a hundred percent a hundred percent accurate but it'll make you feel good thinking you got something special you know but he is a major player in this realm to get it to people to understand that what we're dealing with are not extraterrestrial biological entities but are actually spiritual beings but from a darker side than he's looking at and that's my concern because i think that we have sufficient evidence that's what we're trying to prove on this channel is that we're we're we're proving that there is a significant portion of evidence that's pointing to the idea that these things are not good entities and uh i i i that's kind of the direction i want to go with it but before we do that i want to say that um you also have a youtube channel which you post your seminars and stuff on uh people are i want to mention that because people are talking about that in the live chat i see they're saying well where's his youtube channel what's his youtube channel ce4 research is your youtube channel correct right you know right and i and i put up all the all the conferences that i've been able to uh to have videoed i put them up there uh as many podcasts as i can get links to and you know they're still active i put them up there um i want to be able to get as much of the information out there i've even got the first talk i ever did as cd4 research uh up there on my on my youtube channel and you'll see my first talk ever was in a new age symposium um that the people that were there you'll see in the new age symposium i actually used to follow them um as a new ager but when i came to the truth the lady that was putting on the the conference she still wanted me to come talk and i said you know what my stuff is about now and she says yeah i think a little uh i think a little uh you know opposition would be good for the you know the conference i said okay well you know i have to go back and look at that talk myself i've done it many times because i'm going boy was he daring you know because i'm you can see me stand right up there with a bible in my hand you know saying you know to these these these fortune tellers and palm readers and stuff there i'm saying why would you want to talk to any lesser god and rely on information from any lesser god when you can rely on truth 100 accuracy and truth from the creator of the universe and i'm saying this right in front of all these people you know and i thought i was gonna get run out of there at the end but actually what happened a lot of people followed me out to the hallway and wanted to know more and i was just amazed how many people were really looking for the truth and that's what brings me to this subject so wholeheartedly is because i i spent 10 years in uh understanding the bible uh doing evangelistic series and all this other stuff that involves in in uh and providing i think what most christians call um apologetics but i'd realize that this is an absolute um thing that's coming very fast down the line and it's we're able to reach a crowd who's already apt already excited about talking to something else beyond humanity but they just need to be focused in the right direction on what the correct entity is to talk to which is god jesus christ you know all that so so you know my work the testimonies that i've dealt with have all been bad experiences for people that have had them um i know there's stuff out there where people you can you can watch on youtube where people said you know their their contact with these beings and experiences they've gone through have changed their life for the better and blah blah blah but that's not that's not the majority the majority of the people that i've dealt with have been in this world but the majority is these experiences are horrific and they're harmful to people and they destroy their lives their families relationships or their jobs are gone these people suffer from a type of ptsd you know they got its own name because of the experience uh for what they've been through you know this is not something that's you should be asking for at all believe me i've been there and this is not something that it's it's it's it's not something that's it's it's it's not something that it's it's it's not something that it's it's it's not something that enjoyable it's not something that's going to further your faith this is something that's really bad and you know that along with the messages that we've looked into over the years
49:19 that come from these entities being that it's always anti-god that there are creators you know jesus is just one of the ascended masters that they send us over time you know everything goes against the christian the christian bible and god's word the whole intent that we've seen for this phenomenon is it takes your eyes away from the one true god if you open yourself up to it in any manner at all and that's that's the danger in this whole thing the effect is always the same takes your eyes away from the one true god and there's a quote i made a little while back and it's i'll use it again you know 25 years ago you had to really go looking for this information and this experience but today it's looking for you so be careful absolutely i've heard more and more stories that have become more and more uh suspicious of um spiritual activity one of the things that you brought out that really um got me excited when i was first working on this channel i don't know if you've ever seen the documentary starfall which started this channel i didn't have any information in there about um how this could possibly connect with spirits of the dead and i but i knew that through my bible study that this could possibly connect to that and so i threw that in at the end but to be fair it was kind of disconnected from the spirit of the dead and it was kind of disconnected from the rest of the documentary because i had no legitimate evidence yet but when you when i when i had my first interview with you and we started talking about this and then and further conversations on facebook and stuff you revealed something to me that i that just blew my mind and it was about what you had seen in the field about these things appearing as as people that people knew in the past can you talk a little bit about that yeah and that was kind of disturbing when i came across those cases myself because i'm thinking well how does that work you know and trying to understand the purpose of it in the first place was was enough but there were there's cases that i've come across myself in some of the cases i've worked with but some of the famous researchers that have worked on this and came across similar cases okay non-christian researchers um barbara betholic one of the leading researchers into the abduction experience over the years uh her and whitley strever whitley strever is also a researcher he's author of communion the one that new york times bestseller that brought all this to you know the forefront years ago and both of them have cases also where when they they listen to the testimonies of the people that have had these experiences they talk about while there remember being on a ship that they're shown the dead relatives in living they're living though on the ship the dead relatives that they're related to you know and i'm thinking well how does that even work why would a dead relative show up on an alien spaceship the same time that they are you know what's the purpose of all of that and then the more i read into it the more i got it i was thinking well how does that even work right the more i looked at barbara patholic's work the understanding was they were using the familiarity as a seduction to calm the people or to get them to do something that probably they didn't want to do you know during the experience but you know to have that crossover like that made no sense at all because because we know from scripture um the dead aren't there watching what's going on they're not we can't contact them we can't be with them um that's not happening but here they are using that idea which is unbiblical again another aspect of the unbiblicalness of the experience yes absolutely like uh ecclesiastes uh uh 9 5 the dead do not know anything and or job talks about how they don't return to the house to haunt it they uh and uh
54:05 and there's a number of them that that say look um i don't have man i wish i had my notes right here let me see if i can pull it up yeah job 14 12 man does not rise until the day of the lord comes oh when does the day of the lord come well second peter 3 10 says uh it comes when the heavens pass away that's when the when the day of the lord comes um let me get that exactly because i hate paraphrasing the bible so let me let me pull it up for you real quick um second peter 3 10. oh chat gpt it's it's giving me the verse in paraphrase and you know you can never tell if it's actually going to say it correctly okay so second peter 3 10 says but the day of the lord will come like a thief in the night in which the heavens shall pass away with the great noise and the elements shall melt with their fervent heat and the earth also with the works uh therein so so when does man raise rise from the dead the day of the lord comes and there's so many other verses that talk about how we shouldn't be able to know we or talk to these dead relatives because they haven't transitioned into a higher state of being being dead it doesn't make any sense and so i'm just i'm just thrilled that you were able to pull that out um before it becomes a much bigger problem which i believe it's going to be in the near future right and you know that people some of the researchers that are looking into this ufo phenomenon once they've been into it for a while they start looking at other aspects of the paranormal also you know they don't just settle for the ufo side of it one of those that uh is his good longtime friend was farah yadozu and farah is one of the leading ufo investigators from turkey and she lives in america she's a teacher in new york and in school up there and i had a chance to talk with her out in new mexico at one of the conferences especially the one in 2008 that i put on for the city of roswell i had her there as one of the speakers and she had just come out with a new book that she had put together dealing about ghosts so she was one of those that were started looking into other aspects of the paranormal just you know aside from ufos and she gave me a copy of her book and i read it it's just a little thing and it was talking about her investigation into this huge scrap yard junkyard for cars and stuff up in new york near where you know she was teaching and people were reporting seeing ghosts in the junkyard you know from all the automobiles because a lot of the automobiles that are in there are probably because of the people that died in them from accidents and stuff you know so her belief was that these were the disembodied spirits of the people who died in these cars and they're stuck there because you know that's where the cars ended up and that's where they ended up and i it hit me i said oh my she's got this so backwards it's unreal and i i had to share with her my belief and she said i got to ponder this but what that actually i believe is what's happening there is these aren't the disembodied spirits of the people that were in the cars i believe what you're seeing in a lot of these cases where people say they see dead relatives is what the bible calls them familiar spirits they're spirits that are familiar with those dead people i believe that the enemy has probably assigned spirits to all of us to try and stay with us through our lifetime and deceive us and kill us and those spirits know everything about us they remember more things about us than we do ourselves they've been there all along they see us when we do things that we shouldn't be doing we think we're doing it in darkness but besides god seeing it they can see it too and they can use these things against us and i think what happens is is and it's just me now i think what happens is when a person dies that spirit doesn't have an attachment to go to so they are there to you know to be a deceiving spirit and they're kind of stuck there until they i guess get a task to go tag on to somebody else i think that's why we see why people see these spirits in you know cemeteries or battlefields like gettysburg and bull run you know from the civil war here i think that's because these are the spirits that were attached to those
58:55 people and they're left toε’ to roam you know they got no purpose anymore that's that's really interesting theory i never thought about it i don't have anything to back back it up or or to prove or not unprove it but i also i always for some reason i always thought they were just reassigned to the a new a new human i don't know but i figured that too but you know maybe they just haven't done that yet i don't know unless they're serving another purpose is furthering the deception on humanity you know playing that playing that position as a ghost where people think that you know because we see our dead relatives that you know all dogs go to heaven that's what that whole purpose of the ghosts are you know we're supposed is that whole thing is to convince us that oh you don't have to be a believer you just have to be a good person you know to go to heaven because uncle george he was he was a horrible man he didn't believe in god but yet i see him you know that's what that whole purpose is about it's another another part of this grand illusion it's it's that's uh salvation by works if you say that all you have to be is a good person you can't be a good person to get to heaven that's and it's a new age philosophy oh i gotta be a better person i got to balance this this uh this weight and i have to uh and then my spirit leaves me this is all new age and it's all come into the church and so very very interesting i i want to get to the point where we talk about um reaching out to some of these uh some of these offices holders because i think they're on the right track but i think we as a channel and as an audience can do amazing things if we all in in mass because it's a democracy the more people reach out to these people the more i mean what happens is they actually sit there and they tally up okay these people are saying this well then i'll do the majority and so if we get a lot of people saying hey you need to reach out to do something it will get done and so i 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1:03:48 memorable but um the kale chips uh boy my had my wife laughing pretty hard we but um yeah i'll remember that one for a while um long and the short of it is uh uh joe um that's that's how we keep this podcast going that's what keeps my wife happy too is that um there's something actually happening from this and because i i have to show that i have uh have substance as a husband and i can't just research aliens all day long so um if that's something that's it's a free service and if if if you are moving no matter where you are you're going to have to i can help you find a best agent possible because sometimes those agents they're fresh out of school and they don't know anything sometimes that they they they're not and it's very difficult you got to do a little dance in order to find out if they're a believer or not because you can't really talk about that as a as an agent but there's ways to do it and keep my license so it's important that that if we as believers are out there searching for the right uh place to live that we have the right uh people on our side as well that's all i have to say um i think that this is this is a fantastic thing that we're doing and i'm going to share my screen if i can let me see if i have the right screen open here i'm going to open up my uh vmix as a production studio that i use so i can see which screen i can share yes i can share that one okay so um these are all my show notes but i'm going to try to do as best i can to share this joe um nah i don't think anybody can read that let me try to make it bigger no that's not working either what i will do i'll put this in the show notes uh on the on the screen for people to see in the description and in the comments but basically what i have in front of me joe is a a a uh way to get a hold of luna i think that's her name luna i'm trying to find the exact name representative luna yes representative luna and so you wrote out a very very detailed letter to her and i think it'd be appropriate to read that um do you mind if we kind of uh go over that real quick yeah sure i think that would be good let me share the screen now that i think i can make this thing a little bit better bigger and cut over all right so i'm gonna move my microphone yeah okay so um it says uh representative anna i can't say your last name paulina luna uh 10 17 longsworth house office building washington dc 25 or 20515 and this is the number this is not you know we're not doxing anyone this is not her cell phone number this is actually the office office number where you can call in and this is the dc number so this actually has a secretary behind the the phone number here taking uh taking record of what you want to tell her and so this is the purpose of that number for you to call her and say hey look you should research this not only research this i think you should reach out i think we should reach out to joe jordan have have these uh these investigators that are investigating this this from a government perspective reach out to joe jordan and say uh joe what do you what what is your research behind this you were a former director of move on you are an investigator of move on currently um what else can we say uh what else do are we what questions are we not asking and so if you if you don't mind i'm going to read this real quick um joe okay dear miss luna i would first like to commend you on your work with the recent congressional hearings on uaps for daring to ask the right questions ones that most only ones that most only refrain from from answering those that allude to a more spiritual aspect of the ufo uap phenomenon as a bible believing christian i view this strange phenomenon through god's holy word everything that points to this as a demonic angelic delusion being perpetuated upon humanity masquerading as an alien force with ill intent the phenomenon is an indigenous is indigenous to this planet having
1:08:46 been present for many centuries as stated by ufo pioneer jacques valet many decades ago in quoting the extent of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that ufos are not a contemporary phenomenon jacques valet i write to you now as a concern american asking that you would consider the ufo uap and alien abduction research findings of joe jordan george g jordan of ce4 research an investigative mufon mutual ufo network researcher of 30 years into this strange phenomenon his honest research finding the unwanted piece of the ufo puzzle show that this is not an extraterrestrial origin but something much more having worked with over 700 so-called alien abduction experiencers mr joe jordan mr jordan jordan jordan has been able to answer the uh the still asked question by leading secular researchers in the ufo community number one why does this experience happen to certain people answer people ask for it people open themselves up to it by dabbling in the activities that god's word says children we have the experience their parents had opened the door through dabbling in those in those activities number two are people really being taken anywhere answer there is absolutely no evidence that anyone is being taken anywhere evidence shows that what is experienced is a spiritual visionary experience implanted into the mind to have the experiencer believe an alien and joe actually i have a several proofs of that and i'm going to give you a few examples of that i'm going to show in just a second number three who is perpetuating this delusion the findings mirror the activities and abilities of angelic beings from bible scriptures the activities and messages from these beings point to it coming from a demonic realm number four and what is the purpose of this phenomenon the outcome for anyone who is involved in this phenomenon is the same it takes their eyes off of the one true god of the bible number five can this be can the experience ufo sightings and alien deduction be terminated as it as it happens or even as a long-term pattern answer mr jordan has acquired hundreds of testimonials over the decades that show that there uh show there is but one way that these experiences can be terminated and that is and that it is only through calling on the name and authority of jesus christ and developing a personal experience that can be terminated by a personal relationship with him no other name has been found to work not allah not muhammad not krishna not buddha nor any of the other names of lesser gods lower g what i found and this is a quote from john de souza former fbi agent he says what i have found was that was as anyone who studies this area knows is that these abductions are very often stopped with only one thing by claiming the blood of the dead and the blood of the dead and the blood of the dead and the blood of jesus christ i had no idea he said that that's something that's the that's the only thing i have ever heard that stops these abduction experiences from going forward they get stopped dead in their tracks and we have seen it over and over again wow he said that um jacques valet human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception that's from his book messengers of deception whole book on that then this is from pierre guren how do you say that g-u-e-r-i-n guren guren ufo behavior is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it the modern ufo or not uh and the demons of past days are probably identical it says if you would like to talk to mr joe mr jordan which i hope you will you can reach him here joseph d jordan 2913 pembroke road titusville florida 32796 you mind me reading this on on air oh go ahead okay his phone number is
1:13:28 three two one three nine zero one zero two five or you can reach him by email ce4 president at yahoo.com or his website g4research.com thank you for your honest pursuit of truth god bless you and your family joe that's a fantastic message i i think that's it's really important that um reaching out to those these representatives specifically uh representative luna would be paramount especially since she's right now um grappling with these ideas and putting together the next uh hearing because i know there's going to be more of these things as they come about if we reach out to her each one of us we can do this in fact what i'm going to do this next week joe i'm going to uh do a live broadcast of us reaching out to these uh individuals and i'm going to do it myself and just just do it live see what happens i did this last time i reached out to um another representative and i also asked that we reached out to tucker carlson and i think we made a difference with tucker because tucker completely changed after that and under his understanding of this whole phenomenon and said i want anything to do with this anymore and so um praise god i think i think we not me not you but us in general can make a big difference if we all collectively reach out to to do that so um this might be and i'm just speaking to the audience just for a second joe this might be the only video you see on this because uh when i do a produced video it doesn't reach as many people as when i do a live stream and so if this is something that is on your heart take a moment next week and think about this pray about it and reach out to a representative you don't have to be uh specifically in the same area as luna to reach her because she has the dc office and she's grappling with nationwide issues right now so you can reach her dc office and not just her florida office where she uh is is from that's all i have to say i'll give the the rest over to you yeah thank you bradley you know and like i said earlier uh representative marjorie tater green also republican from georgia uh could probably do the same thing um just change the address you can find it on google and reach their phone number also just like i found mrs luna because both of them have been part of these congressional hearings and both of them we know are coming at this from a christian aspect and also see it as something more important and i think that's going to be something that's going to be more important and i think that's going to be more spiritual um than physical ebes so i think that if we push them and and and reach them in overwhelming numbers they will take up and listen uh we may not be under their district but i think that's okay i think that it's something that uh is important enough to them especially since they were part of these hearings uh that they might listen and they'll take heed and give us an opportunity to to you know to share our voice so in your hands absolutely well if um if there isn't anything else you want to say about this i'd like to go and kind of flesh out why we know because i i know that if i was if my information was put on the internet and said uh you need everyone you need to go out and reach out to this guy over here me i'd be like uh show me the video that that is making everybody reach out to me so if if if um mrs luna if you're watching this or anybody other representative is watching this i kind of want to flesh out why we think this is demonic and what evidence there is out there that shows this is demonic because i think this is a very important point i mean because i think that's what it's going to come down to is do we communicate with these things or not why would we why would we want to and and uh i think it's because they are part of uh an agenda that is definitely to stay away from so i'm going to bring up a couple clips here let me see if i can pull them up and i i don't know if you can see them but i'm going to bring up a couple clips here and i'm going to invite you to comment on them joe if you think that would be interesting one of the things that you mentioned in your letter was that they are capable of well what did you say that really sparked my interest um you were able to cause visions or or augmented reality of some kind and that's exactly what a researcher gary noland brought out gary is a is a i think the the harvard researcher uh watch this whatever the phenomenon is it's capable of manipulating
1:18:23 human perception human consciousness right it can make us see things that aren't there i mean the best example of this that i know uh is a story that jacques valet brought to me of a family in uh france driving down the highway uh this was like in the last five to ten years and uh they had a a glass topped car and they look up and they see a ufo you know basically paralleling them down the highway the mother looks around and sees that no other individuals nearby are freaking out about this thing above them the children in the back take out their cell phones take a picture of it they get home and they look at the pictures on their camera and they don't see an object they see a little star-shaped thing about 30 so feet above it and i have the picture even if it was an object it was that was there others weren't capable of seeing it so it was manipulating vision so yes is the short answer you know joe i think it's really interesting that um they mentioned stars because i even though i've read it over and over again in revelation where it says you know a third of stars were swept out of heaven and we take that to believe that the dragon you know satan took these stars out of heaven i just read it we my wife and i do devotions in the morning and we re we're in book acts right now trying to do the chronological bible and um we we i just found it in acts it says you know it talks about the stars of the heaven in acts and uh and i was like well there it is it's right there you don't even have to go to revelation and so he says that this craft wasn't actually even there it was all in their head and what the camera actually saw was stars in the heaven and they were like oh they're not even there they're not even there they're not even there they're not even there this is the exact thing acts says that the heathens of the day were worshiping they were worshiping these stars in the heaven that would appear to them as heathen deities and so i i think it's just fascinating that they they pull it out well you know there's a a great story in the old testament that the uh ufo community tries to use as an example oh yeah there's ufos in the bible and that's the one in ezekiel chapter one where he starts describing this vision that he has um of the throne of god coming down with all these and other angels around them the description is quite fascinating and they all want to try and come up with their own designs of it uh artistic renditions of what there's what he's describing as flying saucers but keep in mind ezekiel himself says it was a vision okay he specifically states that but see nobody pays attention to that part they just want to get into the description of what he believes that he saw you know and believing that these things are actually alien spacecraft but oh it was a vision he experienced and that's part of what i found in my research um and i was quite taken back when we were able to put all this together because we had no evidence to give us at the time before this telling us exactly what this experience was we know there's no evidence at all uh anywhere out there in the ufo research realm that proves that anybody's taken to a flying saucer or a craft up in the air during an abduction experience there is no finite evidence to prove that it's taken that that testimony is taken as being literal by the secular researchers when they're doing hypnotic regression they believe that during hypnotic regression that these people can't lie you know that that this can be taken literal but if that was true then why can't it be used in a court of law because everybody else knows better than that that it can't be mistrusted uh can't be trusted and uh there's there's a lot of mistrust in the answers that we get when people are under that that state what I found in the research along with Gary Bates we were working together on this Gary first came up with this suspicion about what he was seeing in the reaction of people who had had these experiences and what they were sounding like and looking like
1:23:08 when they gave their testimony he says you know I've seen this before and it's puzzling me about where I saw it before and how it's got a relationship to this phenomena and what he was talking about was looking at shows that were on TV like Darren Brown out of England Darren Brown was he calls himself a mentalist okay and he does fascinating stage tricks hypnosis mind-reading things like that when Darren Brown does his shows most of them can still be seen on YouTube they're absolutely fantastic organized acts that he does on people he gets people to believe things that that they're doing that they would never do ever before and some of its pretty disturbing and it's not just disturbing to watch is disturbing to the person who's going through the experience he will convince them to that there someplace else or somebody else or they're doing something else that they would not normally do and through his power of suggestion okay I don't believe is using him not hypnosis his power of suggestion which were all acceptable susceptible to these types of things that we've seen in the make-up of people when we're not seeing to we deal with it every day when we're watching commercials you know not to say you're on your commercial but what what's happening here we believe is the effect that it has on people when they're told what what they went through was a lie okay when when they understand what they've actually been through is something wasn't right there that disturbing feeling that these people are experiencing that's part of that PTSD that we talked about that they're experiencing in its relation to stage hypnosis or stage suggestions should I say like Darren Brown does make me relook at what was happening here he said is there a correlation here and that's when I went back and started reinvestigating the experiences you know what's happening here he said is there a correlation here and that's when I went back and started reinvestigating the experiences that these people were having and I went back in and said I want to go back through your experience and I don't use hypnosis at all I just asked guided questions and and are specific and get them to focus on you know as much of the memory as they can pull back up and as I went back through there I would guide them through the experience and they would find these gaps in the experience where something was missing well the leading researchers that use hypnotherapy also found those gaps they believe that the gaps were from the aliens trying to cover up the experience I don't believe that's what was happening I believe what's happening is these gaps in the memory were intentional it so what was happening was it's not they're intentionally leaving gaps it's they're intentionally only giving the experience or a certain amount of information and the way I describe it in the book is like this if you've ever been to a play you'll understand this so you've been to your your child's school play you've been to a Broadway type play you're sitting in the audience you've watched a scene and then they're doing a scene change so you're able to see the scene change happen so they bring out one wall and then they bring out another wall 90 degrees to that one one wall has a fireplace on it the other wall has a window and a door then they bring out a couch a chair an end table a coffee table you understand the scene yet it's a living room scene but is it is the detail there like your living room does it have much detail no it doesn't it doesn't need to for you to understand you're looking at a living room this is how this experience works these beings have the ability to give us the experience okay they only need to give
1:27:59 enough that's sensational and impacting for us to fall for the experience as being a real experience they don't need to fill in all the details they don't need to be okay these impacting sensational parts are enough to convince people we see this with the experience for instance another example of this is like if I asked you about your birth your last birthday you remember your last birthday but if I asked you to tell me about it it's going to be short because you're only going to talk about the sensational memories of the day but if I sit you down ask you the right questions I can guide you through reliving the entire day why because it all got recorded right here it's just that you only keep the sensational parts up front same thing with the experience when I take them back and I ask them about the experience and when I get to this certain part I say well look to your left look to your right look below what do you see those pieces aren't there okay why because they were never recorded because the experience that these beings gave him was not complete so there's a difference between what I'm seeing in the experiencer and seeing from somebody telling life experience the best example for people to understand what I'm talking about was done by Hollywood Hollywood uses a lot of truth in their movies but I think a lot of times the purpose is to show us truth but then to snatch it back away from us to where we don't believe it it's a little game they play and I think this one piece of truth that was actually shown in a movie best describes this abduction experience and it's a movie that most people have seen called the Matrix the Keno Reeves the first Matrix where he's finally understanding you know listening to what Morpheus is saying and he goes to the submarine and they lay him down on that reclined couch or table whatever it is and they plug Neo into the back of the head and instantly he goes to this white space and Morpheus is there and then all of a sudden I mean that's it just two of them in this white space but then a TV shows up a couch shows up an end table and a coffee table show up kind of like the play right yeah but the question is where's Neo he's still in the chair he's still in the chair this is your abduction experience they don't go anywhere they're given that memory just as you played in your clip that they're able to do this is showing us this is not something that's coming from another biological being this is something that's coming from a spiritual entity that has the has the ability to do this we know that they have the ability because we saw it in scripture also the other aspect of it I talked about earlier was the messages that they bring the messages are focused on on destroying Christianity breaking it down as being a falsehood never against another belief system on this planet why just that one Christianity there must be something about it that they don't like and then the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of testimonials that I've worked with over the years that are able to stop this experience by calling on the name and authority in Jesus Christ and then the ability to terminate it as a life pattern by building a relationship with him so those are all the things that I think you can honestly take to court and say I don't think this is good I don't think it's nice I think it's the evil realm that's perpetrating this that needs to be shared I the suspicion is there we see we see Mrs Luna she has the suspicion she knows enough to be able to question it the other representative from Georgia she's questioning it
1:32:53 they we just need to give them the opportunity to have our voices heard where people can make that honest decision of what we're dealing with 100 yeah I totally totally uh believe what you're saying absolutely true and I and we've had other uh former cultists that have come out and said that this UFO deception is going to be a major thing in the last days um specifically um his name is um why can't I remember his name right there I use him all the time Roger Murnau we also have um Tom DeLong who is who is famously become a close part of the government at one time he's come out and he said there is very very very close things tied to this occult things tied to this UFO movement um I got a I got a quick question in a private message uh that said uh if you don't mind me reading it because I think it's it's very close to what we're talking about and I think it's it's good to answer this question because there might be representatives there might be people in authority that are asking the same question I I believe they they could be they said that um I understand what tonight's podcast guest is saying about how these people uh who see UFOs are seeing visions but my question is what about the people who say that they've recovered parts of physical craft or people who have huge burn marks in their yards and if you don't mind I'm going to answer this first and um and then I because uh and kind of flush it out and then see if you agree with me you might not I'm not sure but um first I I want to absolutely say that this this phenomenon is is a in your head type thing it's the easiest thing for spiritual entities to do to is to have an in your head um experience do we have anywhere in the Bible where it is outside of our head that demonic entities have had done physical things and I think there's one place I like to go to all the time to to to say yeah there is one thing at least one and that's in the um in Egypt when the snakes when when the staff was set down in front of Pharaoh he put the the snakes down and uh or his staff turned into a snake and then Pharaoh came out with his magicians and said oh yeah we can do that too that's not a problem and uh things happened and I believe there were several other um uh things that happened here too other other they were able to duplicate these things physically but there's they're very limited in what they're able to do and they can't create life so if it's if it's something on the ground it's definitely a thing I like to call them meat puppets but but I I think what's what's interesting about this this whole thing is that um if we do we haven't seen anything yet but if we do see something in the future it will be a deception beyond I mean one of the greatest deceptions uh the universe has seen number one and we should be absolutely comparing Scripture with Scripture over it because this is this is um if we do have craft that have been perpetuating our technology great it doesn't change my religion at all what are your thoughts same here um you know there's there's another area in Scripture too where we see a spiritual being having the ability to um to do these type of things too and that was with the story of Joe you know look how much he affected his family and Joe himself but the one thing he could not do was kill Joe and that's the same thing we're seeing now in this phenomenon um they can leave March they can leave illnesses they can do things like that but you don't see any deaths from this per se directly from encounters I think they're bound by what they're allowed to do to us I believe the whole purpose is delusion to deceive us to take our minds off the one true God our eyes off the one true God and God has limited them on what they're allowed to do I believe that we're actually seeing part of this strong delusion that's talked of in second Thessalonians where the enemy is allowed to perpetrate this delusion but the delusion itself was sent by God and it says it would be so complicated so so complex that if it were possible even the very elect of Believers could be deceived if it were possible that means it's going to be beyond our comprehension as human beings it's not going to
1:37:54 be able to get to a simple answer and we're seeing that over the decades the more we think we get closer to it the more crazy it gets so I think that's showing this that the power of this delusion and I think that this is something that is it's going to be the game changer with humanity I believe if you if you are deceived by this experience in any way if it turns you away from God's word if it gets you to doubt God's word you have a potential for a doomed eternity and I think that's something that that needs to be paid attention to here I think that's the purpose of this phenomenon to make you have an honest choice toward God or not and I think that our purpose here is to try to help as many people as possible not fall for this delusion or understand that what they're dabbling in is not a reality and bring them back to the one true God the one God's word that we can trust 100 yeah I agree um I'm getting other questions in here I thought they're actually really good questions um uh Lisa Milliner says what about the military personality been killed because of the encounters with them and we talked um privately i think joe jordan and i have talked about ce6 which is the death of humans or is that right is that what ce6 is i forget what it is harm or death um is i mean that that's a phenomenal thing because according to tucker carlson there have been he's he's had people come it wasn't just tucker carlson it was the other guy that was gary nolan talks about how the guy that we just heard about talking about the augmented reality he says that he's a key witness in hundreds of ufo cases of people that have died while going up to these big glowing objects that appear on their on their aircraft carriers or in their military bases and they die of head trauma as they've been shaked to death and so it's i think but that's not something that's that's not something that's purposeful done i believe that's an effect of their of the manifestation that they're producing and i think that that's something that we need to be aware of close proximity we know uh causes a distortion in in our reality when you're in close proximity to one of these events that's something that's termed the odds factor we know there's changes in the reality uh in close proximity and having a burn or a radiation or something like that could be one of those effects trauma to the brain because of it being too much attack on the mind that could be part of the effect but it's not a main it's not the main purpose of the experience it's an after effect of the experience they're not here to kill us that's the thing they're here to deceive us because they want to be able to take all of these deceived people and say oh here you go god these people didn't come to you for truth they were easily deceived you're not all that powerful that's the intent of the enemy with all of this that's really interesting i had not thought about it that way before uh and that's actually what lou alessandro says i always thought from a different perspective he's always said that these things are you know like going up to the back of the rear end of a an f-16 you don't do it because that's that's dangerous but um it is a different perspective to think that uh if these things are basically inside of our reality and able to disappear as well whatever bubble that is organically innate to them um might have some significant physics effects on whatever is trying to pop that bubble and going up to it might that might not be very very good for the human but i've always said if these things are are so um good and if they're if they're all knowing like people think they are they think they're gods they they should be able to stop that they should be able to say oh this thing's coming at me maybe i should disappear maybe i should prevent them from doing that but these things don't care and that that's what even solidifies the idea that these things are are um benevolent did i say that right i always get those two words confused yeah benevolent and devilish and i think that's what i'm trying to say is that these things are not good and they're not looking out for humanity at all and so that's a big deal um
1:42:48 hold your thought just for a second because i i gotta at least get one more clip in here i'm gonna have so many clips in fact all my clips tonight are coming from the um the produced video called uh the top 20 reasons why we think this is demonic i mean i did a produced video on this it's very short and to the point but it's very short and to the point and it's very short and to the point but it's it just labels out gobs and gobs of of evidence and these are just a couple things but one thing a new clip that i just found was um was what i made the thumbnail as and i want to kind of show that it's a the three levels of deception now this was a really fascinating clip that came out this is one of the individuals that was in the the hearing and what he has to say about it listen to this jacques valet who i think we you know you and i have talked about this for a long time and we've talked about it a lot we both respect him i mean i've read a lot of his books maybe most of them or all of them uh he believes there are nhi he also thinks that there is three levels of deceptions one is from the government the second is by the people that have the experiences and he doesn't mean it as a criticism he just thinks people don't completely often represent exactly what happened often leaving out the the freakier high weirdness elements of it i strangeness parts of it and then there's he's talking about the he says the nhi themselves are being deceptive it's a very interesting argument because you know there's these really funny cases like for example there's this great case in france where a you know a very trusted respected farmer discovers a spaceship on his land and then he goes up to it and then there's supposedly an nhi there holding a tray full of of soil samples and other vegetables and he was like oh i didn't see you there and i was just coming by with this it seems absurd like if you have some advanced civilization like why would they be caught off guard by a farmer with soil samples um it almost feels as though something's i think he would sort of say it is creating i think he kind of describes as a control mechanism that's sort of creating a particular perception something that wants us to think that these are extraterrestrials and that they're under investigating who we are and expressing concern about nuclear weapons in the environment so there's that was interesting because there's he says there's three number one which we've always said that these things are perpetuating deception but he did say it in two that there might be some really awkward things about the deception that happen to individuals that they just don't want to talk about so they leave it out which is a form of deception um and uh and so all these things lead up to making the whole situation very very difficult to talk about and understand what is happening and um and so that was that was the three deceptions of this whole whole idea which i agree with it's very very interesting we also oh did i lose you joe are you still there no are you okay very good we have um uh the augmented reality we talked about that we talked about the spiritual aspects of it from uh lou alzondo um matthew roberts this is something that i actually wanted to ask lou alzondo um there's two disconnected ideas that we talk about that he talks about that this whole thing talks about and that's uap and nhl nhi being non-human intelligence which apparently is a big deal and that's more of a communicative thing and then the uap which is more of a physical strange thing that you visually see and so these two ideas i i've struggled and i've looked for clips that put these two things together and i found several of them because when you talk about this people can easily say well that's uap or you're talking about the the woo woo side of abductions and or you're talking about nhi and it's all the same thing but you gotta you gotta figure out how to put them all together and so this clip kind of put that together for me and i think it was a very important one uh maybe joe if you think of any more i would love to have some because this is one of the key elements to really put all this this educate the people on what this is here here's a clip from matthew roberts my name is matthew roberts i was a cryptologic technician in the u.s.
1:47:13 navy for 16 years i found myself watching the footage over and over again almost obsessively i uh i started to have these follow-on experiences with the phenomenon that was like the beginning of seeing non-human entities in my room at night because my job was classified and i had access to classified um i was kind of aware this was not a one-off event for the navy this uh these things happen frequently all the time they happen all the time so that's what he saw he was viewing all the uap footage all the classified footage long ago and then he started receiving these nhi these these follow-on experiences that people talk about and so i was like there you go you have the nhi experience and there's another clip talking about how when they would see these uaps over military bases they would all of a sudden start to have um big problems with seeing shadow figures and other things that were very tall running through the the military base and it's all connected it's all connected to the same thing it's all demonic activity and and making all kinds of chaos for people what are your thoughts on it joe you know there's you asked about a couple different perspectives on this from different people i've got a couple of quotes here to follow up with a lot of this um going back to dr gary nolan there's one here where he says uh he noted how different witnesses ufo sightings often see different things in other words you've got people that are all there together in a group but when you ask them what they saw it comes up with something different and what he responds to that is is almost that as if whatever it is is projecting something into the mind rather it Rather than it being a real manifestation, material in front of you.
1:49:23 In another recent podcast, the interviewer says, you've told me that you believe on evidence that there is a non-human technologies on this planet. And he says, advanced capabilities is what he says. I don't know if it's a technology per se. I'm leaving it open to the idea that it's some form of consciousness that is non-material. And then you've got Jim Semmelman, the CIA, former CIA officer of 20 some years, and his wife both have had encounters in their bedroom. And Semmelman agreed with the statements made by Skinwalker Ranch researcher, Cone Keller, that the UFO phenomenon is a lot more than nuts and bolts and machines. There are also psychic and biological elements that make things even weirder.
1:50:14 He says, I think they mentioned that the phenomenon. The phenomenon is a natural part of our universe, and we're living in it, but we don't recognize it. The same way that insects and animals don't recognize the human universe. A cat and a dog could be running through a library, but they don't have the faintest idea what the books are all about and what libraries are all about. We might be walking through our existence, and there's a whole other reality that surrounds us that we just simply don't have the ability to see or interact with. It seems to be peeking inside our little conscious reality. As I explained to somebody once, it comes close. It teases us. It conjoles us. It lies to us. But you can never take it home to meet the parents. It won't allow you to do that. There's no formal introduction. Add on top, there's no ontology, which is just a fancy word.
1:51:08 It basically means there's no structure to even discuss this. We don't have a common lexicon. Somebody said we have dots but no connections. He says, I don't even think we have the dots. This is powerful stuff coming from some of the more important people that are researching this, and it's basically backing up what we're finding here. Yeah, 100%. Wow. If you can send me some of those quotes, I'd like to try to find those actual video clips and collect them. I'm collecting so many different clips. As I find this, I'm like, wow, wow, there's so much evidence here. Wow, this is a collection of stuff that I can use to really tell people what this is because the deception's coming down the line. And if people don't know what this is, they're going to be pulled and sucked right into this so easily. You know, one of the best descriptions came from Dr. Jack Sarfardi, one of the leading physicists in the world.
1:52:08 He says on the subject of UFOs, trying to describe what we're seeing as UFO or UAP, he says what he sees it as, is what we're visually seeing is a skin, okay, which would be whatever the appearance of the object is. But he says inside is consciousness. Excuse me. He's just described a spiritual manifestation. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. I've often wondered, and this is getting a little bit into the unknown, and I like to stay in the future. Factual here, but I've often wondered, how do these glowing orbs appear so tiny, but they can appear also by 40-foot sizes?
1:52:59 How can they appear as your grandmother, which appears as if it has, you know, the heartbeat, it has everything that you would think is right there. And it must be either all in the mind, like you said, the augmented reality, or they have some physical aspect. Or they have some physical aspect to them, and so you wonder. That, that's, that's the manifestation ability, the manifestation ability, and I say ability, not technology, because I think that's what they're being duped by. They're thinking that the only way this can happen is from some high technology. But if you look at angels appearing in nature, where God's messenger angels were sent to give a message to somebody, they would appear as human form. Yeah. Okay? But were they human form? Were they actually humans?
1:53:54 No. They were a manifested spiritual being in the form of a human. Everything looked to be real. The talk I did in Roswell this year at the UFO Festival was titled UFOs and the Resurrection of Christ. And I wanted to get into this to show that a lot of the similar abilities that Jesus had after he left the tomb mirror a lot of the abilities that we see of UAPs, okay? He was able to be seen by some, but not by others. That's important. That's something to be noted. He was able to appear and not appear inside of a room that was sealed. These are things that we see in the ability of these UAPs and encounters.
1:54:48 But it's all there because he was in that spiritual body, okay? So this is what I think needs to be the focus on, is understanding how that manifestation works. I don't think we're going to get it describing it in physics. I think we're just going to get it by understanding that it's happened before. This is what it was able to happen. And I think we're just seeing the same thing again, but serving a whole other purpose. And remember, what we're seeing here is not God's messenger. We're angels. What we're seeing is the angelic realm of the demonic side. Yeah. Same capabilities. Yeah, yeah, same capabilities. I mean, it's fallen angels, but they have a totally different agenda, a completely different plan for humanity.
1:55:37 And it's going to come to a screeching halt someday. And I believe that's going to be a big part of the very near future, seeing how fast this UAP stuff is coming through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very good. We've already gone two hours, Joe. I don't know if you want to go any more. We've got several different clips that I could go over, but we're basically reiterating what we've already said, and I think we've provided so much good evidence already. Yeah. Let's air the show and get some more questions coming up in your comments, enough to do another show. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. If you're interested in this, and I haven't been watching the livestream because I've had to been doing the production side of things and finding what clips come next and stuff like that.
1:56:26 The only reason I was able to get some of these questions live on air is because I just happened to see them out of the corner of my eye, and I got a private message. So I was wondering if you guys, the audience, are interested in understanding this further. Maybe you want to have Joe back on the program. Leave a comment, not just in the live chat, but actually in the archive chat, so we can come back and look at it. Because these are some very deep questions, and I think that they deserve to be answered. And if you have any more questions like this, make sure you leave them in the chat. And I'll pin Joe Jordan's book, as well as any links that we have. We have a number of links that we always like to do. You have to hit the See More button at the pinned comment in order to see everything that we have. But make sure you check that out, because Joe, I always appreciate having you on the program. It's always very interesting. It's always a very interesting conversation.
1:57:17 And we always go longer than we ever planned to, because it's just so interesting talking about this. Well, Bradley, it's been a pleasure. Very good. Would you pray us out? Would that be okay? Sure. Okay. Sure. Heavenly Father, we thank you for this wonderful opportunity to be able to share the truth about this deceptive phenomenon that is affecting so much of humanity at this time. Thank you, Father, for being able to share the message that comes with this as truth, that you are the way, the truth, and the light. Only through you can these experiences be overcome. This is a message that needs to go out to the world, that this is all a lie. This UFO phenomenon is all deception, all a lie, that the focus needs to be on you in a personal relationship with you.
1:58:15 These people want freedom from this. It's through you that that freedom will come. Heavenly Father, let this podcast show, let this show reach those people who need to hear the truth, whether they be experiencers or those that are just starting to look into this phenomenon. Let this be a beacon for them to be able to look at first and go, oh, I don't need to go there, or oh, this is a way that I can be free from this experience. We thank you, Father, for the work that Bradley does. I ask you to bless him and his family and keep him encouraged, keep him prayed up. Everybody pray Bradley up. We want to keep him to where he's free and strong and ready to do these shows because he's a beacon out there to this community that surely needs it. We thank you, Father, for all the listeners that are coming, supporting him to be able to get this message out.
1:59:10 We thank you, Father, for being in our lives, setting us free, and we ask that you help us set others free also. That is our mission. And we pray these things in Jesus' holy name. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much, Joe. Hang around for just a second. I'm going to close up here, and I'll see you in just a second. Folks, thank you so much for what you have already done. You've been a part of this chat. You've been a part of the program. Maybe you've left a comment. Maybe you're just watching, and you're wondering, wow, is this really going to go down like this? We are just as interested as you are, and so I hope that you would stick around, hit that subscribe button, hit that like button, and interact with the community on here because we're all just like you, and we want to know more. And that's exactly what's happening here.
1:59:58 So I want to remind everybody that the only way I'm able to continue to do this is through your help on patreon.com slash strange normal, or by reaching out to me personally. You will get my voice. It's my personal cell phone. Do not give me weird voicemails. But you call that number that I mentioned earlier in the chat, and we can talk a little bit more about real estate. That does help out the channel significantly. So if that's something that you want to do, please do that. Also, I want to remind you, reach out to your representative. Reach out to Aluna and the other Georgia one. I can't remember her name. That would be significant in pushing the understanding of this faster into the legislature. And I know we're not just talking to the United States here.
2:00:45 Everyone in Australia, everyone in the U.K., everyone in South Africa that has reached out and said, you know, we're watching, we're praying, please continue to pray because we know this stuff, whole stuff begins in the United States, and it perpetuates out to the rest of the world. So you'll be seeing prophecy in the making, and so I want to encourage you to do that. I encourage you to make a lasting effect and help us out. And my name is Bradley, and this has been Pure Strangeness, Absolute Normalcy, Strange Normal. We will see you next time.
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