1:06 Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Brad Burnham. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on. And there's going to be a lot going on, so you better hit that subscribe button and click that little bell so you're notified when we're live like this, when there's something that you need to know. And tonight, I got Mikey with us again, and we're going to be talking about some very interesting things. I've got several things to cover tonight. How you doing, Mikey? I'm doing awesome, man. Always a pleasure to be on here and talking about some strange things. Oh, yeah. We got a number of things tonight. But right now, I want to kind of recap what's going on. And I've got several clips lined up that I found this clip that someone had already done, a collage of stuff that was fascinating. And I kind of morphed it together so it kind of was more compact and gave a better understanding of what's happening with some official clips. This is one of the things that you should share.
2:01 If you have someone that doesn't really know what's happening, check this video out, specifically this one coming right up. Check this out. There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable. Imagine a technology that can do six to 700 G forces that can fly at 13,000 miles an hour, that it can evade radar and that can fly through air and water and possibly space and oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsions, no wings, no control surfaces, and yet still can defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity. That's precisely what we're seeing. The government has already stated for the record that they're real. I'm not telling you that. The United States government is telling you that. They seem to these vehicles seem to have unlimited loiter time, which we don't have.
3:17 And the acceleration is beyond any far beyond anything that we that we're capable of. Well, I don't believe they're coming from foreign adversaries. If they were, why, that would suggest that they have a technology which is in a whole different sphere than anything we understand. And frankly, China and Russia just aren't there. Do we have any sensors underwater? We're not going to try to detect on submerged UAPs, anything that is in the ocean or in the seas. So I think that would be more appropriately addressed in close sessions. Now, I know what you've seen is what those Navy pilots saw in 2004, and there have been some 300 sightings since then. And I talked to those pilots, and they know they saw something and their radars locked onto it.
4:11 And then all of a sudden, it was gone. was here on the surface and then it's there and they don't know what it is and we don't know what it is. Lieutenant Graves told us pilots training off the Atlantic coast see things like that all the time. Every day, every day for at least a couple years. Wait a minute, every day for a couple of years? I think some of the phenomena we're seeing continues to be unexplained and might in fact be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don't yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life. And the main issues that Congress and others have been concerned about are basically safety of flight concerns and counterintelligence issues but of course there's always the question of is there something else that we simply do not understand that might come extraterrestrial. The immediate concern is very two-fold one this is a technology that we don't completely understand and it seems to be defying our understanding of physics and secondly whoever's operating it or whoever is behind it. These aerial phenomena seems to be keenly interested in our military capabilities. You know there is a tendency for the UAP sightings and development developments to occur around military assets especially it seems around our naval assets the fact that this is in our airspace and it's real that's when it becomes compelling and that's when it becomes problematic the question is what is it what are its intentions what are its capabilities who is out there who are we how did we get here how did we become as we are who am I to say that planet Earth is the only location of a life form that is civilized and organized like ours what'd you think about that well when that guy said we don't know what they are I was like why don't they talk to me and you like when that guy was saying look they they can linger around for all this time they don't have any kind of jet propulsion they don't make noise they don't have wings they can do all these supernatural things it's like exactly you just described a fallen angel bro yeah yeah exactly what I thought was very interesting he's like why why is it I mean this this was the UM the guy that talked at the end that was the was that the NASA director I forget I get the NASA the director and the and the former defense minister of Canada was fetching a lot of the data and he was like I think that was the president I was going to be the head of the head of the security of the United States but basically he didn't want to talk to this guy he was like we can why not there's nothing to do with all this we don't want to talk to this guy why don't you know what it is why wouldn't there be more Pete more beings in this universe and there are some Christians I'll admit there are some Christians that believe that God created only humanity and angels the rest of the world that there is no um uh people that are not people there is no beings from another galaxy coming to earth they get rid of any more of god's beings whatsoever and i think that's that's fascinating i'm it's actually a very very very prominent uh figure that's that believes this and i'm not going to say his name but um they refuse to work with me because of that so it's a little little fresh that believes what exactly they don't want they don't believe that there is uh there there are beings uh that god created that are good that are not angels but are on other planets in other words there's so many planets out there there's so much so much of god's creation that there's there's um but there's no way he could have created any other beings out there now what i'm saying is i don't believe that these beings are coming to earth i believe that we're quarantined right now right but at the same time yeah i i don't i don't think that these beings are coming down here and they're benevolent i think the ones we're seeing right now
8:53 are are uh definitely uh are trying to deceive us and that's the whole premise of starfall if you haven't seen that so you mentioned job um job actually doesn't mention the other worlds it does mention the sons of god coming together and presenting themselves like this uh kind of like united nations for the galaxy or something like that if you will that's what you're i know that's what you're talking about but there are two verses in the new testament i think like in corinthians or something where it talks about he framed the worlds oh did i get that wrong yeah but just because you were thinking of that about the the sons of god um all coming before god and satan came up there too i forget where that is now but yeah i'll have to look that up it's not a joke yeah if you type in worlds in your bible app you'll see at least two verses that says that he when he made the worlds frame the worlds or whatever so why would he make worlds plural if there wasn't beings on them you know that's i don't i don't think you know these planets or whatever are the worlds that he's talking about right right because they're dead they're dead if i mean those are if those planets are really like what we see then they're dead and i don't think they're called worlds you know yeah yeah and i and you know i have to agree with um that i i think that with science says they're they're there has to be somewhere else somewhere out there somewhere that got that that is is has uh populated planets let me put it that way i don't know if they're human or not i don't think so but um god says that there are uh i mean the bible says there are other worlds and so if those other worlds exist then revelation talks about different beings other than the angels now some of that's symbolic so you can't really take it all for granted but it's interesting anyway anyway we're what is interesting is that the same people who will say this world's just so vast that we're narcissistic to think that we're the only life here so vast there's got to be a life out there but that life that's out there couldn't be angelic and it couldn't be god it's very like wow but it's very interesting but um let let me let we have a program tonight we want to talk about and that's we have a a very interesting um uh what's it called podcast that is done by a group of people who are very interested in the world and they're very interested done by a young college girl and she does it actually a very professional way i think she's based out of missouri and um it's it's very interesting she interviewed a catholic priest and he has some fascinating things to say about this topic i think he's a priest he's he's at least very high up there in in the knowledge of catholicism and um i thought we'd kind of go over what he says and play true or false tonight uh and see what uh what's what's happening because i think snippets were happening here so we're going to start with an introduction and kind of go from there let me add her in pin received a bachelor's in religious studies from yale university and earned a master's and phd in theology from emory university he has served on the theology faculty for several colleges and universities and is currently editor for tan books a publishing company based in charlotte north carolina paul is an award-winning journalist and the best-selling author of nearly 50 books today we will be talking to him about his knowledge and his latest book extraterrestrial intelligence and the catholic faith so basically he's a he's a he's a theologian in the catholic faith and so um some of the things he i agree with some of the things i don't but you know just like anything uh if you want to present error all you have to do is introduce one percent error to truth and it becomes completely a bad taste in your mouth so check this out this is uh interesting uh what he says it's all the way back in 1960 and again i was still a child would have only been six years old then but there was a report that the brookings institute had um had prepared for nasa at their request in which they were part of it was looking at what would be the social impact if the government were to discover that there is existence of intelligence that aren't human and uh what what would happen socially and there was a very clear warning in that a strong warning that this is um this would be very disruptive and especially for people of faith it would upset their religion and could cause panic and social discord so if it ever happens if we ever discover it we're going to have to be careful about whether we even reveal that or not i remember thinking that's really so wrong
13:44 patronizing that people can't handle the truth you know with their religion or whatever reason but also um because most of the people i knew were able to say no if if we discovered their extraterrestrial races they're made by god that wouldn't bother my religion we'd have lots of questions to ask if we encountered them and could communicate with them but that's different from saying it somehow disproves our faith to even talk about this topic okay so we're going to go in the next clip here but um but basically what he said was that um it's the government was trying to hide it and uh they uh they because they thought they said the people couldn't handle it and back then i i wouldn't say that's wrong they probably were trying to hide it because they probably thought it was demonic which it is right and uh they didn't want to have anybody involved in it but what he said was people should know about this stuff right that's what lou alonzo said that he says last time um he said that very higher up official that he respected said we already know what they are when i hear that statement it doesn't make me hear you know it's my personal conviction that these things are demonic he says we plural already know what they are he's not like you know you know what i'm saying like this that's very bold language very clear language that we as the higher military know what these things are and if he was if he was an elder or whatever then he would have been from the older generation whereas these young bucks are probably like hey let's uh let's communicate with these guys and then when him with him talking about the public not being able to handle it and stuff reminded me of what tom de long was saying do you remember him kind of touching on that same verbiage yeah yeah we we saw in starfall i put this section in starfall because i thought it was the most interesting i keep harping on this because i want people to understand what's actually happening here tom de long a musician said i have a lot of clout uh military check me out and i want to present this ufo topic that i know you're struggling with to the public in a way that they would accept through fictional novels can you elect me do that and they're like okay bring them in we'll do that and that's verifiable this is not just this is not just some random story that he had on on on the coast to coast am which it was but the verifiable story is was verifiable through the podesta wiki leaks that happened and you can see it all in in starfall as i present that about three quarters through the documentary on this channel that he wants to put the truth that he understands as the truth in fictional novels just like you know we always talk about people like it's just you know it's it's just fiction it doesn't have any influence on me well apparently they think it influences you what do you think propaganda is exactly let's go let's move on of religion specifically the catholic and broader christian religion and extraterrestrial intelligence um you have to realize there's been a conversation going on since the beginning of the church 2 000 years ago and it was informed itself by a conversation among greek and roman philosophers and others 500 years before that and so if you want to understand the story of the catholic and broader christian religion you have to realize that you really have to get at least a summary of what's going on before the ideas put forth the way they've debated and argued and then that gives you the proper context to take part in the conversation yourself so that's why some of the reasons i love it it's just fascinating to learn that for 2 000 years for 2500 years people have taken the subject very seriously have debated it and um learn from it and it's pressed them to think more deeply about their faith and their their philosophy and it's uh it it's something that that i think we need more of today we need uh folks who've kind of ruled out when they're thinking about extraterrestrial intelligence they've ruled out talking to philosophers and theology uh theologians ruled out talking to philosophers and theologians i what i find fascinating about that clip is that that he says this has been going on for for 2500 years well of course um but i'm going to stop I'm looking for an answer thanks mam yes yeah i mean they came look dude these pagans worshiped beings from the stars
18:27 they were aliens like literally they worshiped quote aliens they were these demigods these uh and and all they out were are manifested demons appearing to people as these men of renown as genesis talks about them you know and um yeah and he said that who like somebody was hesitant to talk about the theologians because wasn't it nasa that hired like 12 yeah theologians 12 theologians to tell them more about what would happen if society found out about aliens that was actually a published document or published um um uh article in some of the well-known news articles so really interesting and i think that that's there's something else i'm going to say about that but let's move on before i before i i'll remember next time let's get into that in your book you mentioned how in the ancient times people were knowledgeable on the possible life outside of our planet and then kind of when the 19th century came things began to change and the conversation was kind of brushed under the roof tell us about that why that huge shift i think probably the one of the biggest things that led to that was uh the increased popularity that of darwinian thought of charles darwin who was the one who posited the notion of evolution and that creatures you know life kind of started very simple and then by a natural selection process grew into what we have today and uh that particular notion begins the idea that had been very popular before that that yeah life could be everywhere almost everywhere if uh if we have life here this is the one kind of laboratory we could look at then uh even in our solar system though you know we don't know about that yet it could be something in the atmosphere venus or one of the the moons of the larger planets in our solar system but but beyond that that there's so many stars and probably planets although it was the 1990s before we actually had the one trinity that could have lived out there so actually had clear evidence of what we call exoplanets, planets outside our solar system.
20:46 But the assumption was, of course, all those planets out there, if life would evolve here, it'll evolve somewhere else as well if the conditions are right. But the Darwinian notion, you know, kind of the system, led people to, tended to lead people to think that, you know, it was such a delicate process, almost a fragile process, and depended on just the right circumstances coming together that a lot of Darwinians began to say, no, I think we might be the only ones, or only a few, we might be the only ones that have had all those factors come together that would allow life to develop. So I'm sure there are other reasons as well, but that was in the 19th century, late 1800s, I think that was probably the thing that's pressing the culture most in science, to begin to make people back off of it. And then what got added to that in the early 1900s then, and by that I mean leading up to the 1940s, was the government effort in the United States especially to get people to mock and ridicule that, and so that the academic world backed off of it altogether. And you have some, you know, some great scientists, you know, in that field today who will tell you when back in the 60s when they were in the university, they wanted to talk about things like this and they would just, you don't talk about that, you'll lose your career, that's craziness. And only now, is there kind of a new wave of thinking? So no, actually life probably is really common. Life is perhaps an imperative, a cosmic imperative. And therefore, it's okay, at least, to think about those things. Want to pause it there for a second. I think he said some things that were unverifiable there and he had some interesting thoughts. What do you think about that, Mikey?
22:38 Uh, I don't know. kind of wonder which parts you're talking about yeah so when he was when he was talking about how the um how they they believed that what the government uh did to try to protect the people uh was was an interesting uh um a duty they felt that it was it was to them i don't know but um he went in went in a little little too deep there but i think the issue is that with the with the with the catholic faith and i i love catholic people but with the catholic faith you you have outside sources that you can pull from other than the bible and so when they say well we have a tradition that supersedes the bible well then you you've gone beyond the word of god and so that kind of translates out into other places too so now they that what this guy is saying is you know i'm gathering information from other sources other than what i know is truth and um he's he's using unverifiable sources unverifiable um articles and stuff like that so i think i think that kind of uh your your religion bleeds into what you what you are are doing and i think that's just fascinating but right what i think is interesting is he was saying you know uh yeah protecting the people or whatever but what i keep hearing people say now i keep seeing this in the christian world and the secular world they're saying like when you bring up to them like you know that the military is talking about ufos are real and i see them every day and stuff and they're like oh yeah i know now they're finally telling us what we've all already known all this time you know he was just saying i i and i believe what he was just saying about how you know there was there was a time when this subject was ridiculed and laughed at and if you believe in aliens like oh you're one of those people or whatever but now the mindset i mean i think it's probably younger people at least our age and younger they're the ones that are saying like oh yeah they're finally telling us what we've already known all along and stuff and uh yeah i don't i don't know if that's like is that really how people always felt or i don't know i i feel like i feel like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know like the culture is just falling for exactly where satan wants them to right to be led to like yeah you know we we fell for the alien autopsy videos we fell for the little leaked out things all these things that were leaked out were or slipped out or whatever was purposeful to make us feel like we found something yeah yeah so and we're demanding you tell us government you tell us you're trying to hide something from us really that was the whole trick the whole trick is they wanted to get us to a point where we would cry out to tell us about this thing right do you have a story that you told me this week about um when you were out going to get some items for work uh you found uh a lady that was talking to him about it you want to share a little bit about her thoughts on that i don't i don't know you don't have to name her obviously but i was i was very fascinated by how you approached it and then how you showed where the thinking was off can you talk a little bit about that yeah uh remind you oh so you can tell it so so when you went out you went out to to get a few items from uh a couple hours away from a marketplace right and when you're handing out our our starfall cards we are and we also have a flip side that has his documentary called disclosed on the back of the wall and i was like oh yeah i'm i'm i'm a very interested in that and so you asked her do you think this is a a um a dangerous concept and she's like no it's not dangerous right yeah i was saying you know the military i said do you know like the military is telling us every day on the news that ufos are real and they see them every day yet you know a year or two ago it was all swamp gas and weather balloons so how how are they saying we've been seeing them every day for years but all this other time they would brush it away as something else and um and she was saying you know basically yeah she believed that they were real and aliens are real and stuff like that and i said yeah um so we made this documentary about it because i i want people to to think of both sides of this thing you know i said we went out on the street and asked people do you believe
27:27 in aliens 99 percent of them said yeah and a hundred percent of those people when i asked if they told us that they had the answers to life would you believe them they all said yeah and i said nobody's thinking that these things could be evil or have some kind of evil agenda yet all all through history if you were you know that's what they say too well they're more smarter than us and all this stuff all through history the people that had more power more technology and uh more intelligence or whatever when they approached more primitive people they were raping and pillaging and stealing their land so i was like why wouldn't we think the same thing why is there not even a shred of hesitancy about these beings we're willing to just embrace them and come on yeah you know open our borders come on and let's fellowship um no it seems like nobody i haven't found anybody that's just like yeah man it's kind of freaky like what if they try to take over or something i mean it has do we have a lot of propaganda that just makes them look like i mean i think well we just saw a whole bunch of tick tocks that were just like take me off this planet abduct me and all this stuff yeah and what i always like to say i have this written down because i i thought it was interesting people people think these things are going to be benevolent but what what they what they have to know is what the ufo community the abduction community the people that we we didn't trust before that had any stories uh we what they are actually saying about these these things are is that they've mutilated cattle they've damaged crops they've abducted people beyond their will they messed up the highest they messed with the highest security protocols which is that that came out as true unclassified now they've attacked um primarily uh the uh uh what's it called nuclear silos where that that oh yeah things um enable and disable dangerous warheads force fake pregnancies uh forced surgeries supposedly at least give people visions that say so anyway and um they they burn victims that's legitimate that came out as unclassified and they uh they've killed pilots this just came out in in an article this week i'll send it to you mikey wow they they there's a legitimate case where it's killed pilots and the family is actually pushing the government now to figure that out and they've lied to people they're they're there's nothing benevolent about these beings but you know what they're saying now this is what gets me and this is going to be the agenda because i've heard this over and over again there's two different kinds there's many different kinds and some are good and some are bad but there's the the good outweigh the bad and let me let me set the record straight in the real universe there are good angels there are bad angels but right now we are quarantined to this planet and god's protecting us and saying listen if you don't i don't want disinfecting the rest of the universe this the sin problem that we have here on earth i'm not going to allow the rest of my creation just go here unless they're specifically commanded to go and tell a specific message which is what we call good angels but the rest of those things are here and they're hiding for now so it's it's interesting anyway i'm off topic yeah just for you know people that made you know i say this all the time but satan has just he's literally just twisted the terminology enough to make your mind think something different so when we hear these things like yeah they're good aliens and bad aliens they are they're they're good angels and bad angels but when you say aliens now we just think well they're just beings that live on another planet out there instead of thinking oh they're angelic and the bible's real and all this is a spiritual war all they have to do is just twist the little bit subtle 99 truth that one percent error and and uh and we know there's a there's a man named roger morneau who we talk about quite a bit in both of our documentaries um starfall and disclosed and he was a member of basically the illuminati what what we consider that today a a group of people that are very very um well they worship demons and they're they're very open about that secret society he said um he was he was before he entered in and committed himself to that that society a christian worker brought him out but what he revealed about that because he had been to
32:13 several other meetings he said that in the 1700s these things said hey look if we're going to convince people that there isn't a god that there isn't a spiritual realm so that they don't believe in god anymore then we have to disappear and so if once the darker realm that was here confined to earth as well disappeared people started believing maybe this god thing wasn't real anymore then they introduced darwinism and evolution for an additional push towards the idea that god doesn't exist and that's how we have so many problems with the evolution here today but it's all going to change so beings are evolving a lot of people think that the aliens are just higher evolved beings that either left this planet or whatever but um they're higher evolved you know they're more intelligent that's why they got all this great technology and yet the bible says that in the latter days people are going to depart from the faith by giving heed to seducing spirits and miracles and all these things we're seeing it right right that's that's uh we have a lot to view let's go let's let's bring it back it's my fault i keep i keep rabbit trailing us so let's see what we got here it's a research what interesting information have you found on how the church looks at extraterrestrials what i've found is this that um the catholic church catholic theologians have been remarkably open especially under those who are under the influence of the greek philosopher aristotle there was kind of a shutdown in some ways of that kind of speculation simply because um and aristotle's if you want to call it science uh his view of the world was that there could only be one universe and our world was at the center of it and those who came to be influenced by that thinking then opposed the idea that god could have created more than one universe or more than one world and the way aerosol saw it you wouldn't the planets out there wouldn't have had possibility of life they're in a different part of the universe structure from us so it took uh folks really beginning to break out of that um and saying and even then the the people who spoke most for the catholic tradition would say oh god could do that if you want to he's got the power and there's nothing that would prevent him from doing it we just don't think he has because and then they would give basically the reasons aristotle or even plato would give that he thought um that the world was created was with a certain kind of perfection and that there could only be one like that one universe like that um but finally when when aristotle's science if you want to call that had begun to lose its grip on western society then you have right away you know christians begin to say let's look at this again now okay if uh if we're really not limited by our faith we're only limited by that philosophy to to speak of uh one world maybe if there are other worlds and other races that are intelligent what are the possibilities and so um that's how the conversation began to change especially in the middle ages and by the time of the uh the renaissance um all kinds of fascinating things were going on and then you finally get to the period we talked about where almost everybody believed in it until the darwinists came in and said oh wait i had all right so um obviously she was going to commercial there so i had to do the music in here so i'm probably going to get knocked again but we had to hear the rest of what he said in there in order to hear exactly his full full idea um aristotle his his history of where were they were a long time ago versus where they are now what do you think about that and this is uh i don't know like he was talking about i don't know you you start this one yeah no it's it's it's fascinating because um what he said was you know aristotle had a a uh a fascinating view that brought back this idea that um the aliens existed and uh right and so there was a debate even back then but we we know this debate debate has been going on we kind of have to keep in mind that um and and then you know i don't know what that mean but but what does that mean um any sort of the you know the answer to or the the i don't know the answer to or the reason why there's such a huge debate about this where this this idea of aliens um has been around forever and it's just uh it's they used to think they were gods back then and now they're right
37:04 aliens today and the aliens are gonna come and present themselves as gods again it's like satan has no new no new lie he just presents the same thing over and over again just hit around for about what but people aren't catching on to it they're not putting the pieces together it's the same trick but people don't see it like it's the same trick as the fallen angel that went into a reptilian creature and talked to a woman in the garden and said you can be like god you know we're seeing it again like okay so it was in the garden and then it was to the egyptians and things like that these beings from the stars coming down talking to people you can be like gods or whatever and and then it's like it goes through these waves or something because like he was saying it's kind of this uh stigmatized is that the right word like it's just like something you don't talk about and it's weird and fringy for a while but then it's like oh no this is acceptable and cool and trendy and like yeah let's channel aliens and like when did we you how'd we get here you know like in the 50s nobody would be talking about this right uh maybe maybe it went through a another little wave in the 60s and 70s and people are getting into the new age and stuff like that and then you know then this like the 80s came and people were just like drugs and dance and all this stuff in the 90s you know it's all kind of i don't know it's it's like we're we're in a new wave or whatever the right yeah and i think that's that's kind of what he it's almost like satan's like okay i'm gonna put the reset button on this thing so i can i can represent this idea of of fake gods to everybody so that they would all believe it in order to get most people believing this but i've seen the past is you know i need to represent it and repackage it into a different form and that's kind of what's happening we're seeing the beginning the beginning of what they call the new age of uh aquarius i think they called it right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so aquarius yeah age of aquarius and um that hasn't quite happened yet but there is a there's a i don't know what it was it was on ufo magazine uh from the 1960s 50s i forget but there was an article posted that said that they um they are awaiting the time when you will see our glowing orbs all over the sky when you go outside they will make you feel comforted like so like imagine going outside and your gods are watching over you oh my goodness so that that's where we're heading folks but and the new age have been believing this for a long time i got books that i've used for research these thick books that are new age christ consciousness all this stuff and every page is full of scripture man it's just like you if you do not study the truth you will fall for this counterfeit stuff um and and in there they they talk about aliens being gods these ascended masters yeah they believe in aliens yeah there are higher beings i want to plug that i think you said something very important there the the most important thing is to study the bible i mean that seems obvious right but but i mean dabbling in this stuff i'm a little hesitant to even look at some of this stuff i i have had many people say hey hey hey don't touch this stuff too deeply and i said no no i look at this stuff once a week i i write what we're going to talk about a few points and then we go into it because and it's not very well-prepared and it's not very well-prepared and it probably shows in the show but i don't want to dig too deep into this stuff i just want to present that this is what's coming this is the danger that's happening you're just bringing awareness to what the mindset of humanity is right now right i i do that all the time when i go up to people and i give them that card because they probably look at it and say oh ufos what in the world i'm like no the military is telling you that they're real look into it like because the first thing you're going to see in the video is clip after clip after clip of the military saying they're real yeah yeah and uh i i think this is a great opportunity to bring awareness to that whether we have all the answers or whatever at least we're showing you look this is what the world is believing this is what they're saying and be prepared right right all right here we go i don't know what's like the delay what's the deal demonologist nathaniel guiles on a few weeks ago and he brought up uh that a lot of alien abduction cases sound similar to demonic encounters okay so now we're going to go into demonic encounters she had a um another episode where she went with some other guy named nathaniel and uh he went into demonology i listened to about 15
41:52 minutes of that episode and i was like no i'm done because he presents so much false information as if it were fact and it was really messing with me and so i was just like speaking from a christian standpoint or you know he was presenting gnostic gospel and so as if it was fact he was he was not and what i mean by that is he was twisting the good characteristics of god and presenting them as evil and twisting and presenting the evil characteristics of of uh satan and presenting them as god and she said he was comparing alien abduction stuff to demonic uh well that was the weird part he and and and i i don't want to harp on this too much because i don't want people to go to watch it because i it was of any useful value so i shut it off but um at least in the first 15 minutes he he presents the idea that you know these things are are uh are a part of the afterlife and they're they're here to to help us and it was it was it was awful it was just this is this is where the two merge and this is why i wish churches would wake up and start talking about this topic because we know in the last days spiritualism is going to disappear and it's going to disappear and it's going to leave the world and it's going to be running rampant and so we're like well how do i what do aliens have to do with it this is what i'm talking about like i've i've heard testimonies like i have all these dvds of ufo conventions and stuff where people are sharing experiences they've had and stuff and it's not always these little gray alien things that they see sometimes they see people that look like humans sometimes they see like dead people and they just say they're aliens like i saw an alien and it looked like my grandma or something that's like why are you thinking that is an alien um it's really weird but we are seeing how these things are tying together man right right exactly okay she's going to talk about how he presented her the idea that they were demons and he was he was right but he also went off on some tangents and then uh what so she's going to ask this guy who the catholic theologian what he thinks about that we'll see what uh some of which with incubi and succubi do you think there is a connection between alien abductions and demonic encounters or are they the same thing with different labels or are they two separate topics from your knowledge my my experience my study is that there may be some overlap there that you can't just identify the two experiences um i've written several books actually on catholic teaching about demons and the diabolical realm and so um you're pretty familiar with that i've talked to a lot of exorcists uh in my research for that so what i would say is this that i agree there are a number of um abduction encounters the way they're described sound very similar to traditional accounts of demonic encounters and you even have um several secular writers about this very knowledgeable who without any faith background at all just say you know what this kind of sounds like demon stuff and uh and I think that probably works especially in the cases you have a few where where they're believing Christians who um are having the experience and they report that when they say in the name of Jesus leave me alone or go away or whatever stop that the thing does disappear in that case you know for an exorcist that's a pretty clear case that what's happening is demonic but um in cases especially beyond abduction scenarios where you're just having encounters you see something at a distance seems to be something that's actually um that's in bolts kind of craft you know demons don't need nuts and bolts crafts a craft to get around um so I think that probably at least some of the cases are but I'm certainly not willing to uh say that they all are or that anything that has to do about UFOs uh it's about you know the Catholic thought about extraterrestrial intelligence but this last appendix my publisher asked me to put it in there he said people want to know what you think about UFOs so that's in there and in that I I look at how some of the experiences that are associated with UFOs seem very similar to what has traditionally been called poltergeist activity and there are a number of free scholars and others who've looked at traditional poltergeist activity and one of the things they've discovered is that um occasionally you know poltergeist is where you have things moving around the house and getting pulled out of bed and pushed downstairs and stuff but occasionally um and and you can't see anything
46:43 sometimes it does seem to be demonic you call it an exorcist he brings out sacraments and sacramentals and other things the faith and boom they go away they stop but in so many of the cases it's not like that it's uh they're they're acting more like mischievous children who are just thumbing their nose at uh religious stuff and almost like if you if you were to have a priest somewhere in a small town you know having mass and a bunch of um rowdy boys decide they're going to go in and disrupt the church and come in and service and start tugging on the priest clothes and knocking things around and stuff and he could say in the name of Jesus stop the way you went to a demon it wouldn't do anything to him because they're human beings to it's you know big naughty it sounds like a way of things but they've been very serious priest scholars in the past who've looked at poltergeist activity and said maybe there's something else out there as well that actually shares the planet with us that's not demon and not angel and uh since I finished the book actually we discovered in around the year 1700 there was a a Catholic exorcist who was laying out all kinds of details of demonic encounters and he concluded the same thing that there seems to be something else out there that doesn't seem to be demonic as we know it doesn't respond to the church's um authoritative power over demons and pardon me and and he actually associates them with the incubi and succubi and says that he thinks those those are the spirits and that that they're like angels and that they're not quite corporeal they don't have bodies like cars but that they have some kind of body that's more ethereal more aerial almost like it's made out of air very subtle kind of body so I guess what I'm saying is um I'm not saying anything new when when I say at the end of the book maybe some of the things we're dealing with yeah some of them I think are demonic some of them I suspect are from a lot of planets but some of the things we're dealing with sure seem to be more like this ultra-terrestrial thing what we have called poltergeist but others have given other names to pardon me uh the same kind of things that you find in fairy folklore all over the world so both believed in the existence of those they didn't see how that see that to be contradicting their faith so they believed in at least some races of ultra-terrestrials and there are a lot of folks uh in the UFO community and studying her begin to come to a similar conclusion that we may be dealing with several different things here when we're dealing with UFOs and some of them might be something that have been sharing our planet for a long time so much to unpack on that dude oh my goodness um let me start um okay uh first of all um notice how he he he uh he was 90 correct and he was like yeah these things are demonic this yeah there might be something but but you know we've had poltergeist activity and we've had nuts and bolts so surely that uh that can't be angels right because like you said I think this is what you're talking about when he's speaking like it's fact or I think that was about the other guy but yeah this guy's speaking fact that angels don't need nuts and bolts I don't think they do but they surely could use them Satan didn't need a serpent to talk through but he used it I I just realized we're both saying angels and they are angels I just gotta want to want to make that clear to everyone demons are fallen angels I don't know if everyone knows that but they are literally angels the same creatures cherubim seraphim these two types of beings are angels angels just means messengers and they are they are um when we say they are these angels we what we mean is they are demons right right yeah fallen angels not the good angels we think angels who think good ones but a very good documentary out there called beware of angels um based on a Roger Moore notebook but yeah so at one point he was talking about um you know these beings from other planets and he's saying that we now are starting to think maybe they're um alter terrestrial or something like that alter terrestrial yeah they're interdimensional beings they're not really from another planet so you know these people can say the same thing even people in the UFO community can say yeah they might be interdimensional beings but they're still not thinking biblically they're still not thinking fallen angels they're just thinking oh we live in a multiverse and they're slipping through somehow it's true like man Satan
51:31 is so subtle man it's like it's aggravating how subtle he is because you could be talking to somebody and using the same terminology and you think they're on the right page and then it's like you're all you're you're probably on a different page because of how subtle it is oh man there's so much in there I'm trying to think of some of the things he said yeah yeah those are the first things oh he did say the Incubi and succubi that those are um famous figures that that people used to see in um when they had these impressions say again like Pirates would see those succubuses or something I didn't know that that's the sirens oh the siren yeah okay The succubus was the was the one that would come and sit on your chest at night and push you down or have intercourse with you. And that was that was a demon oppressions that they would have after an experience kind of like a night experience called night paralysis. Yeah, sleep paralysis. So look at this. So he's saying, you know, it is close. There's the demon, you know, there's the the ones that they escaped from by saying the name of Jesus. So that's, you know, clearly that's demonic. But then there's these other ones that seem like they're just kind of thumbing their nose and they're not really affected by by the church's authority.
52:57 So they have to be something else. Wait a minute. I'm thinking of a story in the Bible where they came up and tried to cast a demon out of the guy. And he said, the demon spoke through the man and said, I know who Paul is and I know who Jesus is. But who are you? And the demon beat him up and stripped their clothes off. And they ran off naked to Jesus and said, how come we couldn't cast this demon out? And Jesus said, this one comes out through only prayer and fasting. Right. For one. Also, if you're a part of a church that isn't really believing the truth. Right. Then what kind of authority? He said the church's authority. So just to jump to conclusions and say, well, it didn't nothing. You know, the name of Jesus didn't affect it. So. It must be an alien. Right. Just ridiculous. You're falling for the trick.
53:47 Right. Right. You're falling for the trick. And your church doesn't just because you claim to be a part of a church. I mean, let me let me let me set that straight. I'm going to say it this way. There are churches that have the correct truth, but a church name isn't going to save you. So. So if you say, well, I am of this faith or I'm. That's just like back in the day when they're like. Well, I am of Abraham's or I was baptized by Paul or, you know, you're not saved by by your lineage, your church, your what name you fall under. And so you can't for the Catholic faith to say, well, we are the the one that came from Christ. That just probably means you're pretty low on the totem pole because you've been deceived for the longest time and Satan's had the longest time to work on you.
54:41 But. Anyway, Satan is Satan is tricky, man. Like, for one. I've heard of incidences where, you know, somebody is demonically possessed and then a Catholic priest comes and he does all this ritualistic stuff that, you know, drawing crosses with salt water on the windows and all these things. And that demon comes out because the demon was trying to trick other people into thinking that this church has the power to cast out demons. That was actually. The testimony of Walter Veith, his son was possessed and he's like he called the only he did the only thing he knew to do, call an exorcist. Some priest comes in doing all these rituals and the demon came out. Well, that he was an atheist. He was a an evolution professor in a high esteemed college in Germany or something.
55:39 And when he saw his son, who's. Screaming at blood curdling screams all night, you know, be have a demon cast out on by this Catholic priest. He was like, well, I guess there's something to this. I need to start going to the Catholic Church. So Satan can, you know, Satan can come out of somebody to make you fall for that faith or whatever, you know? Yeah. And I remember it wasn't just because a baby was screaming that he thought it was has demon possessed. It was like levitate in the bed and fall. Down and stuff like that. Right. It was, it was a real, but anyway, yeah, you're a hundred percent right. Let me, let me see what else she has to say real quick here. It's really interesting. And there's even some stories of people having alien encounters, demonstrating advanced alien technology, sometimes sharing knowledge. It kind of sounds like what the Bible may refer to as contact with angels.
56:41 Tell us. Could they be classified as aliens? I think, you know, the beginning of the book, I talk about how that in a way Christians have always believed in extraterrestrial intelligence and that they believe in angels and then demons or angels who have fallen, who have turned away from God and are now evil and are out to eat our lunch. So in the Christian tradition, before God created the human race, he created a race that is superior to us. Intelligence and strength. And has all, have all kinds of capabilities that we don't, and they had a chance to either choose to be with God and for what was good or to choose selfishly to rebel against God and the ones who rebelled then cast out of heaven. And now they're, they interact with us and that's kind of what angels and demons are and that these angels don't have physical bodies the way we do. So they don't actually occupy space. They're able to have influence. There's an angel who rolled away the stone from, from Jesus tomb on the first resurrection, first Easter morning, so they're able to do that, but they don't actually move through space because they don't occupy space.
57:54 And so those are creatures that are purely spiritual, not physical, which is one reason why science can't really get a handle on it. They may be able to see the effects of something that's been done, but you can't put an angel in a test tube. You can't measure it in any way. But then the question is, how do you measure it? How do you measure it? The question arises, and it was just alluding to it is, are there other creatures out there that may have some kind of body, but not like we have, and that could be responsible for, for some of these things that could even be responsible for a lot of the stuff that comes down to us through, through the tradition of the fairy folk, fairies, as I said, gremlins, leprechauns, all kinds of things. And so that becomes, you know, one of the questions we have to answer. Is there something else like that? I, I think what he said was almost 100% correct. I'm going to correct only one thing out of what he said.
58:53 We don't know for sure what type of bodies angels have. The Bible is not, I don't, I don't think it's very clear on what that is. We assume a lot of Christianity, most Christianity assumes they have some ethereal body that you can see through. But you got to look at the Bible. You got to look in the Bible and see that, okay, when Jesus was resurrected, he was resurrected into a, into a, he said, look, I eat food and I, I'm with you guys. You can touch my hands. You can feel my side. He had a physical body. We have demonstrations of angels in the Bible. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Mikey, but I think we have them eating food. I know we have at least one that burned the food up and sent it to heaven before they left. But we don't know.
59:43 They might have been, they might have this, this different type of dimension. And I think it's very dangerous to make absolutes about what type of body they have because they can deceive through this method. Right. I would agree. I don't, I don't know a hundred percent either. Like you said, it's not real clear, but the Bible does say, you know, it describes angels as men. And oftentimes it just says, you know, when the disciples, watch Jesus ascend into the heaven of heavens, it says, uh, and two men in white apparel said, who are you gazing at? And all this stuff, like those men just appeared out of nowhere. Those were angels, but it describes them as men. Um, Jacob wrestled with an angel physically all night long. Um, uh, again, three men appeared to Abraham and Sarah and Abraham was telling Sarah make food and all this.
1:00:39 This was the story of. And, uh, it calls them the angels, but then he's calling this being the Lord. So this was Jesus pre-incarnate before he was ever born in a manger. You know, Jesus has always existed. Uh, this has been the old Testament, Jesus and two angels appeared to Abraham and said that they were going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Those angels went in and the whole city of Sodomites saw them and said, Oh, you know, they were trying to. Break down the door. Let us have the men that were just in there. So clearly these angels have body that these men could see and wanted to have sex with. And those angels pulled the family out of the city now to, to side with him. Like we said, I'm not giving any absolutes here because the Bible says we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities against spirits. Um, that's the spirits, right?
1:01:36 We battle not against flesh and blood, but against Prince of palates and powers. Uh, the darkness of this age and spiritual host of wickedness and heavenly places. Right. So spiritual, not flesh and blood, but yet, right. Uh, they are flesh and blood. They are something material and that look like men. So, yeah, I wouldn't give any absolutes on that. Yeah. Yeah, I totally a hundred percent agree. And I want to be clear too, that although they're presented like men, they, the Bible is clear. Jesus says they don't procreate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of takes care of the whole Nephilim idea. And I think, I think we have some of the comments right here. I'm the screen's too small. I can't read it, but talking about that. And, uh, that's, that's a hundred percent correct. It kind of takes care of the whole idea that, you know, uh, these, these angels are having sex with men.
1:02:26 I see the conversation and I, and I used to fully subscribe to the Nephilim idea. Nephilim is biblical. I mean, that's the word used, but the whole idea of these demonic human hybrids, when Jesus was asked, you know, this woman is a woman. She was married. Her husband died. She married his brother. He died. She married his brother. She got married seven times in the resurrection. Whose wife will she be? And Jesus said, you guys don't know the scripture is like, we will become like the angels and the angels do not give into marriage. So if God created angelic beings that were created as eternal or immortal, I mean, created as immortal males, um, then there's no need to reproduce. Because for one, you're immortal and he can just make more.
1:03:14 You're not going to, you know what I'm saying? Like, um, they're all males. Yeah. You can't populate with other males. And I would, I would even challenge the idea that they have a, man, we're getting some, I wonder how much I could say on YouTube, how much is going to dock me if I use the, the, uh, male sex terminology correctly. Um, but it would, uh, I don't, I don't believe, I believe they're, they're like candles because I, I, I don't think that, um, I think when, when the Bible says, when people see these people, they say, well, they're, they look like men. Basically they're saying they don't have a way to give milk to, to, to babies. In other words, I'm, I'm using that in a long sentence instead of using the words. They're not birthing people. That's the right, that's the politically correct term. Oh man. They're not a birthing person. We could go so far.
1:04:09 Anyway. Let's get back to the show. How would one be able to discern contact with aliens versus angels from your research? Oh, good question. Um, in Christian tradition, the, uh, the angels are, uh, a race that was intelligent race that was created before the creation of the human race, uh, that is superior to us in many ways. They, they, uh, don't have physical bodies. But they do have, uh, amazing capabilities and strength and intelligence far superior to ours. Some of those early on in their existence turned against God, went over to the dark side, so to speak, and became evil. We call them now unclean spirits or demons. And those, uh, both groups of those have interactions with us on earth. The word angel, uh, actually means messenger and in scripture, that's typically, um, what, what their role is. Okay.
1:05:12 Their role is that they are coming to give some kind of message from God. They may do it by speaking, they may do it simply by their appearance. And so, uh, I would think, you know, it's not like a hard and fast rule, but I would think if you were having angelic encounter, um, it would be something that where you're receiving a message or revelation that is going to bring you closer to God and others. And for the Catholic tradition, you would have to say, okay, you need to check the message, um, because demons who are angels can also come give us the wrong message. And say, oh, everything you believe is wrong. It's really this. So for us, we have standards. We have to compare out that message too, but, um, that would be the case there if, but if you're just, you know, first of all, you're just seeing UFO or you see a craft or something coming down, or you've got the evidence of some kind of cattle mutilation or something, I would say that's the most likely to be an angel. Um, especially if it's, it was, it's dangerous and bad to your health. You'd, uh, we have people who've had angelic encounters. Uh, I would say that's the most likely to be an angel, especially if it's, it was, it's dangerous and bad to your health. You'd, uh, we have people who've had encounters with the craft and stuff, and they, they end up, uh, having physical effects and their brains or bodies being burned as if by radiation, that's not going to happen.
1:06:23 I don't think with an angel, for instance. So certain ways that you can tell the difference. So I, I think everything he said was correct in that, um, we're, we're playing yes or no, uh, true or not. If, if you're just joining us, um, and, uh, this is, I think what's fascinating about this is he said, he said, you know, We have to, we have to, we have to make sure that they're saying everything correct. So let's, let's, uh, check them with our standards. He didn't say the Bible, which is what I believe all Christians should say. We have to check it with the Bible because Catholics believe that they have external sources that go beyond the Bible, which makes them not necessarily Christian. I'm going to say that out loud, but, and I, I believe if you have something beyond what the Bible says. That you hold above the Bible that contradicts the Bible, then you are not necessarily following what is scriptural, but that's what the whole Martin Luther thing anyway, the, the, the concerning thing that he's saying is like, well, you know, she asked, how do you know if you're seeing an alien or an angel?
1:07:34 And he's like, well, if, if there's some kind of physical thing going on, like a mutilated cow or, or, you know, burn from a ship or whatever. Yeah. Or whatever, then it's not an angel it's that has to be an alien. Where does he get that from? Because like, like I was just telling you the story about the men who got beaten up by an angel, by a demon, um, you know, people who represent the, he said the cattle mutilation and what Jesus put the demons in the pigs and the pigs ran off the cliff. Like where, where is he getting the idea that fallen angels can't physically harm people? That's what he's basically saying. Like. If it, if it's just some apparition, then it could be an angel, but if it's causing physical harm, then it's gotta be an alien. Is that what you're getting from that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
1:08:27 It's they, they can, they're deceptive, these, these, these beings, and they can present themselves as good because they've been good at one time. And so it's Wow. That, uh, that's a really good point you just brought up, like, man, these beings live, they're perfect for how many, we don't know how long, thousands of years and, uh, so they know exactly how to, I mean, if humans can fake it, you know, humans can put on a good show and act, be an actor and, um, and yeah, these intelligent beings who've lived that way for years and years and years can put on a show and pretend to be good. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's amazing. Yeah. It's amazing. In scripture, you know, some people ask me, okay, in the book of Ezekiel, the prophet sees this creature by the river and it's got wheels within wheels and it's got wings and eyes all over. Don't you think that's really an alien? And um, I don't, I don't think so. I think it's an angel. Why? Because, well, let me put it this way. There are lots of folks today, uh, maybe fewer than before, but who whenever somebody would report a UFO and something they'd seen some kind of encounter immediately, the response would be.
1:09:42 It can't be that it's got to be this. So the person that is hearing the story says in their mind, I don't believe in UFOs. I don't believe that. So it must be something I do believe in like weather balloons, like swamp gas, like the planet of Venus. And that's how they would interpret it and then dismiss what the person said altogether. I think we have to, you know, that that's a bad way to approach it. And I think we have to keep that in mind when we're approaching something like the book of Ezekiel. And this, this vision. Uh, the writer says it's, it's an angelic being, um, the whole tradition around that, uh, can tell you what message was being given by the physical appearance that the angel took. Just take it as an apparition. The angel didn't properly have a body. And so the writer, the person who saw it, you know, the experiencer, so to speak, and all the people have written it in the tradition since then have said, oh, it's, it's angelic. And this was the reason why the angel came, um, for us to come in and say, well, I don't believe in angels, but I do believe in.
1:10:41 Yeah. Um, who's just, you know, looking at that passage in that way, they're doing the same kind of thing that people have done with UFO experiences. They're saying, well, we don't believe in angels, but we do believe in ETI and extraterrestrials. Therefore it can't really have been angels. It must've actually been an alien. I think that's a, you know, really dismissive way to approach the text and to approach the tradition that gave us the text, uh, to approach the person who experienced it in the first place. Let's not just try to say, because I don't believe in it, then it can't be that it's gotta be something I do believe in. Uh, let's take seriously the claim that it could have been an angel who was speaking to him. And firmly, I believe that it was. So I think he's specifically talking about that verse that talked about the wheel within a wheel. Um, if you go back for those that are listening, uh, in my, my, uh, previous videos, I have a video that I interview a pastor who does a radio show.
1:11:38 He has, he's on, he's a televangelist. He has three different shows. Uh, every week. His name is Doug bachelor. And he, he talks about the wheel within a wheel. And he says, it's one of the great mysteries of the Bible about, about this thing. Go back. It's very, very interesting what he says about it. And, um, it's on my channel. And so to, um, to say that it's absolutely one thing or another, I think, uh, it's, it's hard to say right now what, what that, what that is, but, but it's, um, to say it's an alien. I have to agree with him. It's not an alien. I thought that was great. What he said, you know, to, to the skeptics and atheists and things like that are going to read that and say, like, I don't believe in any of this God stuff, but the alien thing, you know, maybe, maybe this guy had a, maybe he saw a UFO and he was primitive and thought it was a, you know, an angel.
1:12:36 So he wrote it in there and I believe he really saw a UFO is what they're going to say. I fell for that. That's a trick, man, because I wasn't reading the Bible and I was watching, you know, I've become a new Christian. I believed in aliens. I was watching the ancient aliens just came out and they're showing me all these stories that I was halfway familiar with in the Bible and saying, oh yeah, Moses was led out of the wilderness by a beam of light from a UFO and a, and the exhaust smoke of a UFO. And Ezekiel saw a spaceship and it had eyes all the way around it. There were really lights all the way around it. And all this stuff. And I was like, this totally makes sense. Not knowing that the Bible clearly says that that pillar of fire was God. And this guy's saying that the wheel within a wheel was an angel, but it sounds like you're saying maybe it doesn't specifically say that. I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure. I got to go back and read it. I do remember I was being, um, being amazed when, when, uh, Doug bachelor said, uh, it's one of the great mysteries of the Bible. I got to go back and actually listen to what he says about it again, to be absolutely sure. Um, and I, I invite everyone to go back in the channel, listen to what he says.
1:13:46 He actually, I actually asked him about, oh, 20, 30 questions about what the Bible says about UFOs. It's a very interesting, uh, very interesting live discussion with, uh, with the televangelist popular guy. Neat, neat program. But yeah, I actually got to watch that episode. I haven't, I haven't got to see it yet. Let's see. Let's see what else they say in here. A lot of the things that people are discovering now, like remote view. Um, actually, you know, it's about use different names, but there've been saints in the Catholic church for centuries who have done what we would now call remote viewing, um, by location. Some saints that have actually been able to be in two places at the same time and very well documented. I know it's recent. We know about Padre Pio whose lifetime are, uh, overlapped with my own. So they're not just legends. Um, so I think there's a whole body of evidence kind of, certainly for, you know, the faith that I've embraced.
1:14:41 I think the Catholic faith that would be hard to find for, uh, for new age faith. And, and the premise is different. The premise of the Catholic church is that if, if miracles happen and if the sacraments, Eucharist confession, all the others bring us God's grace, that it is God's grace. It's something that comes from the one who created us and he has all power. That's different from kind of trying to seek powers within nature that we can somehow manipulate rather than a power who's almighty that loves us. Um, that we want to serve and we want to love ourselves. He's losing me a little bit, but yeah, towards the end there, I lost me too. But what, what was really fascinating to me was what he said about remote viewing it for those that don't know, but you want it, you want to explain what remote, remote viewing is, um, Mikey. Well, yeah.
1:15:31 I mean, the people who dabble around in the new age and the occult and all this stuff, they're going to have experiences. I've heard so many testimonies of people who came out of the new age who said, look, I'm I was afraid of this stuff when I first heard about it. And I only got into it because I started by doing meditation and then it went into yoga and then it went into guided meditation, all these things like usually it doesn't people will not. Usually. I mean, there are some people that jump right into it, but maybe the majority of people, they don't just say, Hey, I want to jump into this because I want to talk to ascended masters and things like that. It usually starts with something. More innocent, more neutral, like meditation, because I have a lot of anxiety. My life is stressful and I just want to calm down or yoga because I have a bad back or whatever.
1:16:23 And they start doing that and they're in the, you know, they're in the yoga studio and they're the incense going and the Buddhist statues everywhere and the, and the guided meditation and the breathing, breathe out and they, they have this amazing experience. And then they're talking to other people. They're talking to other people who have been, Oh yeah, you got to do this because this really makes you feel good. Okay. So it's step by step. And the next thing, you know, you're having astral projections, you're coming out of your body, you're flying into the universe and all these things. None of that is possible except that you're opening up a gateway. You're opening up, um, you're giving the enemy permission to come in and deceive you. Angels have the power to implant thoughts and all these things like, um, Gabriel was actually giving Daniel visions of the future and things like that.
1:17:21 Yeah. So, I mean, these angels have the power to implant thoughts into your mind. That's why you see these, uh, documentaries where a kid is telling you about past lives he's had and people fall for that. I was even getting sucked into that as a Christian. I was like hearing this nine year old kid talk about. About his past life and another country and all this stuff. And you're just like, this kid can't be making this stuff up. No, he's not making it up. He's a demon is telling them this stuff is giving him these visions. And so, um, all this stuff, you know, when people see auras and, you know, uh, remote viewing and being in two places at once, like this is all just demonic deceptions, you know, it's a, it's a counterfeit of some things that God can do. Right. Like Paul said that he went up into heaven and didn't know if he was in his body or out of his body or whatever. That was a kind of a unique situation. But when these people are, are playing around with the occult and they're flying out of their bodies, this is not of God.
1:18:25 Right. Right. And I don't think, um, and I think that's a really good point because, uh, he's saying, you know, I, I don't, I don't understand. I basically put Paul saying is I don't, I don't know, I don't know what, how it was. Cause I experienced it. I experienced this thing that w I'm not here. I don't think it was him. I think it was actually one of his friends that told him about it, but, um, it was, it was. Okay. I said, I, I once knew a man or something. I once knew a man. Yeah. And so what happened was we have evidence from the Bible that says, number one, Daniel received a vision from an angel and it was so traumatic that he fainted. Right. And so they can present something that's, and Paul reiterates, it was so real. I wasn't sure if I was still here or if I was there. Because how could I be here and there? I don't understand what I believe through that evidence that's happening. This is my own personal belief. So take it with a grain of salt.
1:19:15 I believe that angels are giving people visions, visions of being on crafts, visions of, of, Hey, I'm flying away, but you're actually here. You're still on earth and, and they're, they're, you're, you have visions of, Oh, I see. And this is where remote viewing comes in. I think we kind of detoured for a second there, remote viewing, what I believe is remote viewing through the evidence. The Bible is that these visions of what demons are seeing or presenting as memories into the person. So when they come out of that trance, they're like, Oh, this is what I saw. And let me present that to you. And it might be accurate because this demon can float around places and, and do that different thing. However, they are able to do that. Me and Brad, along with many other people, but I know that we're in agreement on when a person dies.
1:20:07 The Bible says you're dead. The dead in Christ will rise first when Christ returns. So when you die, you simply die until Christ returns. And then he, you know, the trumpet sound and you come out of your graves, the dead in Christ rise first. Yeah. But, you know, Why would there be a resurrection? Yeah. Right. People are falling for this. Um, you know, you, the real, you kind of comes out of your body when you die and they, well, I saw this, uh, testimony of a guy who died on the hospital bed. And he floated out of his body and he saw a red shoe on top of the hospital building. And so they went up there and they saw it and it was really there. Well, yeah, the demon knows that a red shoe is on the roof. So of course he's going to show you the truth. So you'll believe it. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. It doesn't mean death of the body. It means death. And then the Bible says, be wary of him that can kill both body and soul in hell.
1:21:03 And so that means, you know, fear God, give him glory. For the hour of judgment has come. Uh, when he ascended to heaven, he was saying, I go to prepare a place for you. And when I come back, I'll receive you unto myself, out of the grave. Right? Right. So all that there's to say that demons, these fallen angels, they can give you visions. I'm glad you know that about Daniel getting the vision from an angel. I never heard anybody else say that. I just was. I was really trying to figure out how a fallen angel could. uh take you supposedly out of your body or on a craft or whatever and then i ran across that and i was like whoa the angel gave daniel a vision so angels have the power to do this if you allow them if you give them permission to um just like you know these experience usually happen to people who are messing around with the occult right who are literally seeking after aliens by meditating in a field or whatever like these are the ones that are having the experiences right right are you having fun should we continue i got a little more video but we've already gone away over an hour so do i continue yeah okay let's do it now in 2014 pope francis mentioned that he would baptize martians oh here we go was he making a joke on the subject in your opinion or bringing the conversation into the modern day church i think you know i mean the conversation has has been in the modern day church um as i note my book you know for instance uh padre pio that i mentioned a while ago who's known for all these miracles since he died in 1963 um he was a man who did have what some you know secular folks might call remote viewing in many ways he could see things at a distance that no one else could see he could uh read souls as the catholic term for what was going inside of people's hearts and minds had all kinds of things revealed to him by god that were you know we would say preternatural or paranormal and to use the secular term and in a recorded conversation one time someone an interview someone asked him what do you think about life and other planets and i don't have the words in front of me i'm paraphrasing you basically said of course you think god's glory is only shown through us uh through other other creatures as well and even went so far as to say haven't fallen the way we have and they're even better off and closer to god than we are i mean that's i'm paraphrasing again but so you've got folks who are in the middle of the world who have not quite the ability to take part in matters and believing in god those are the fields that are going to experience the greatest rapidly vanishing especially with Padre Pio, the fact that he knew all these things that couldn't be known by normal means makes you wonder, had God told him something about what's going on out there? We can't know that for sure. But the conversation has been going on.
1:24:20 There are other theologians. And Pope Francis, you know, in this kind of spontaneous way, he'll just kind of throw things out there. I think it was kind of a colorful way to talk about if we encountered aliens, you know, what would be some of the possibilities. And, of course, one of the possibilities would be that they come and they don't know about God or they're fallen and they're interested in hearing about Jesus Christ. And at some point say, you know, I believe that too. Will you baptize me? So that becomes an interesting question. So I don't know that he was trying to introduce anything. In fact, keep in mind that the Vatican has two observatories, one Castel Gandolfo, not far from the Vatican in Italy. And then another one that it's. Shares of the University in Arizona. And ever since the earliest astronomers have involved a lot of Catholic scholars, including the Jesuits in particular, and they still do. And they're some of the ones who've talked most openly about these possibilities without embarrassment.
1:25:22 So I think Francis himself being a Jesuit was just kind of tossing an idea to get people to think. Just so casual. Pope Francis is a Jesuit. No big deal. So for those that don't know, Jesuits are the militant order of Catholics and they are. I don't know the whole history behind it, but I've heard Walter Bithe, who is a popular speaker, go into detail about the dangers of this group of people. But what I want to go back to what he said, we have two observatories. Do you remember the name of it, Mikey? Oh, yeah. There's one called Lucifer. Why? On Earth, would you name a telescope Lucifer if you're a church? Maybe the Church of Satan. Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye.
1:26:14 Why would you do that? But I'm still just mind boggled by some of the things he's saying about like, oh, yeah, some of our, you know, the saints of the past, you know, they could remote view or they could read people's souls and stuff. And he's just saying it like this is a normal understanding of the Catholic faith. This is. This is new age. Like literally people that see, oh, I can see your or I can feel your vibes. I mean, like, wow. So I know that, you know, I don't want to say I know I believe that this one world religion coming is going to be going to be full of new age stuff. I mean, the new age doctrine is just being pushed down our throats, man. People think the secular world tries to say that Christians shove our beliefs down their throat, dude, you cannot turn TV on without seeing. And somebody striking a yoga pose or doing the meditation and kids cartoons and commercials.
1:27:09 I mean, state farm commercial, a candy bar commercial, mattress commercial, like they are just shoving it down your throat. And then they're introducing it into schools. Now we're going to have the children do meditation because it calms them down. It's been so great. Like the kids are just so much more well behaved now that we've been doing new age, Eastern mysticism in school. But you can't have your Bible in school or prayers outlawed in school. Wow. But we can introduce this mysticism in there. Yeah, exactly. So all that to say, you know, we understand that. I don't know how much a lot of the people out there understand, but in Bible prophecy, it's pretty clear that the Roman Empire has a false church that's going to be a one world religion. And we believe that is the Vatican. The papacy. And and so we understand that. But I think that this new age is going to tie into it. And this is what most of American Christianity believed. They left and came over because they were being oppressed by the Catholic Church.
1:28:19 And they were the Protestants that came over to America to establish something they could they could honor their religion as they saw it. That was the whole story of the pilgrims. This this it's fascinating to me, Mikey, to see. What's happening today as this Protestantism, the protest, the Catholic Church apostate from what its normal belief was, I guess you can call them apostate Protestant Protestantism, correct? So it's it's the majority, I would say, of of churches don't teach us anymore, even though they are from a protestant protesting the Catholic Church background. I don't know. I do a little research into what Martin Luther and those guys said. They said it is our conviction that the Roman Catholic Church is the Antichrist. Boom. They just said it straight out. And that's really what all Protestants believed and understood. Not the people. Not that we love the people. But the system that has been established is against Christ.
1:29:23 And it's evident in all of its teachings. And you can go. I mean, I actually want to do a video someday that kind of reiterates that. But well, it's just like saying, you know. Baptists aren't bad or whatever, but there's a lot of bad churches. You know, it's like you can't blame the people because of the system or, you know, the work in the government. You know, you might have some body, you know, that works in government. They're not corrupt, but the system is broken, right? Yeah, the system is broken. Exactly. So let's see what else. What else we got? I got to make I got a lot of people go to bed. You guys want to go to bed sometime, right? We only got a few minutes. Hang in there. Midnight. But we're almost finished. You so briefly touch on Skinwalker Ranch and you tell a story that I don't think many people have heard of. Can you repeat that story for us? Yes.
1:30:16 I'm talking about the notion of ultra terrestrials that that would be other intelligent races living on Earth that aren't human, that we have limited contact with. Talk about how, for instance, one tradition of that would be the notion of the poltergeist. We've already mentioned that in this interview, but that one of the things that tends to distinguish poltergeist activity from demonic activity is that it doesn't usually seem to be malicious. It seems to be more of a trickster kind of thing. You get a similar stuff with stories of the leprechauns, how they play tricks on people, that kind of thing, which makes you think maybe it's the same phenomenon. And so at Skinwalker Ranch, there were so many things have happened there. All kinds of UFOs. But then also things like poltergeist, also things that seem to be demonic, things that seem cryptic, mysterious creatures showing up.
1:31:09 You just you name it. It's all happened there. It seems like one of the things I give is an example of what sure looks like poltergeist activity in light of the way it's always been understood is where a farmer leaves a 70 pound post hole digger out in the yard, comes in maybe to the house to do something. Yeah. I don't. get something to drink or snack or whatever and when he goes out a short time later it's gone and he comes after his family what where did it go you're you don't play this trick on me i need it where is it they're all saying we don't know where it is we don't know where it is and then he comes to find out i think it's several days later that the 70 pound post hole digger is way up in the top of a tall tree and he has no idea how it got there and nobody has any idea how it got there that's the one i mentioned but they're also in the books about skin marker ranch i think a reference to a big pile of firewood that's very neatly stacked on the ranch there and other people who live there come in a house and it comes back out and the whole stack this huge stack of firewood has been moved and restacked on another side of the yard in just a few minutes so that's why i mentioned it that uh because you get that kind of thing with some of these things you begin to wonder is it the same kind of thing is at least some of the things that are they're encountering what we call poltergeist or even what we call leprechauns and things like that so does this guy think that leprechauns and poltergeists are different than demonic being no i think what he's what he was saying was um the leprechauns how were tricksters back then and and the uh fairies and and i i kind of see where he's coming from on that point you know all these different things people had um their uh name for at one point leprechauns uh fairies uh trolls uh all these different names that that we know today and now we call them today we we consider them uh um demonic entities which is exactly right and um i i honestly i lost him a little bit i think he was kind of going off on a tangent but um he's uh he has some interesting interesting thoughts yeah i think the majority of these mythology things were real i mean like in the sense that people really saw them it's just satan in a new disguise he's he's the serpent in the garden he's the you know the egyptian god raw he's bale he's all these things it's just a different package right that he's presenting right yeah exactly he has one more bit here and then we're we're done let's check it out you think there is a convergence between the ufo phenomenon and the paranormal oh i think the yeah the evidence is really strong it's i don't know that i don't know that there's an exact identity you know to talk about venn diagrams they don't the two circles don't coincide but i think they certainly overlap to a great extent there's just so many accounts of uh of ufos that seem to be associated with paranormal activity as well i always thought ufos and ghosts were considered paranormal i know i i think that's the whole point of tonight's episode if you get nothing else from this whole thing it's that um primarily if you look at what the catholic church is teaching by evidence by this guy they are confused by what this thing is and they think that there is some good entity that is uh perhaps not the… not a demon and not an angel and it's trying to help us and that's the where the real deception is going to come in because when they realize at the last moment that oh yeah this whole thing was deceptive this whole thing was a 100 lie it's going to be too late and so the bible says test the spirits and i think that's going to become a major issue in the last days what are your vital thoughts yeah man you know i i just you know the reason we get on here and talk about this is not because we're you know trying to get clicks or shock value or whatever like it's really to
1:35:42 shine light on this deception we feel so strongly that in the last days this is the great final deception that's going to deceive the entire world whether you're buddhist new age muslim atheist atheists are going to fall for this spiritual deception because it doesn't look spiritual it looks like visitors from another world it looks like you know science you have the history channel pushing it you have nasa pushing it you have it's in courtrooms now they're talking about what is this thing we needed we need to address it and the sad part is the church isn't talking about it everyone's talking about it but the church would probably be praying and praying and praying that god has good things for islam and worshipping the holy spirit because there's nothing from faith according to the truth of catching crazy spirits paying ruin Ungra it's got it i'm so bored with the Valris actually i'll stop yeah i'll stop and if what if i have to trot trot trot trot trot trot trot We're going to say so long and good night and we'll hopefully see you next week. And hopefully we're going to have a really good, interesting episode happening next week. So please tune in. It is probably not going to be live like this, but if I don't finish it, it will be. So, but it's going to be really good.
1:37:19 I have about three quarters of the way edited and it's fascinating stuff. So, but don't see ya. Can't wait. I'll see ya. All right. You guys have a good night. Bye.