0:00 And all of a sudden, I'd say 15 feet in front of me, this thing appeared, and it was black. And the only way to describe it, it was humanoid in figure. I don't know if you can imagine a swarm of bees or a flock of birds, and it was all pixelated, and it was black. But it was pixelated. But it was, you know, the form of a humanoid. How far off was it? It was 15 feet, and it walked towards me, and if I had have done that, I could have touched it. Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Brad Burnham. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on. And tonight is a special episode because it's a testimony.
1:22 This is a pre-recorded testimony from Mick Harrison. Mick lives in Australia, and he was deeply involved in the UFO and Yahweh cult, and so much so that he and his wife were both speakers at some of these events until they met Christ. And this is that story. So tonight, let's listen to Mick's story as he recounts it from his own words. Let's get right into it. So Mick, tell me a little bit about yourself. Yeah, g'day, Brad. My name's Mick Harrison. I'm 61. I live in Australia. This is my story about how I came to Jesus through an extraterrestrial encounter I had on a work site. And I'll tell you the lead up to it, how I basically went from being, like, an atheist or an agnostic and coming up to, you know, becoming a Christian and believing 100% in Jesus.
2:31 Can you tell me, before you get into that part, can you tell me what you used to do for work and what is a work site? Yeah, so with my work, I was an arborist and a boriculturalist. I used to... You know, work on trees. So with the trees, I'd, you know, like, I'd prune them, fell them. You know, I had travel towers. I had stump grinders, tippers and chippers. And, you know, I used to work for councils and shires. And over here in Australia, people like Vic Rhodes. And a lot of the work I did, you know, was quite obviously, you know, working in people's backyards and things.
3:19 But then... I also used to work on isolated properties in forested areas. Another thing I used to do was I used to be a tree hazard assessor for power companies. And this is also where I had encounters. I've got five children and I'm happily married to Lee, who runs the... New to Christ. That's right. Now, we've had Lee on the program before. She has an amazing testimony. And I've been very excited to get you on the program as well, because, you know, a lot of people have been asking specifics about things that I hope you're going to talk about tonight.
4:05 Yeah, certainly. I'm happy. Anything you ask, I'm happy to answer. And if I don't know, I'll say I don't know. So I grew up in a small town in Dippsland, Victoria. Dippsland, Victoria, which is east of Melbourne. I just had a normal life. I was, you know, pretty athletic when I was a child. I learned to fly when I was 16. Oh, wow. I parachuted when I was 21. And, yeah, what else? And I worked for my father, you know, doing trees. We used to have contracts clearing power lines. So we would cut trees away from power lines all over Gippsland. So basically from a place called Cranbourne through to Mallacoota and then from Wilson's Promontory, which is the bottom of Australia, up to a place called Omeo, which is kind of the whole of Gippsland, which was, I guess, 200 kilometres by maybe 150 kilometres, you know.
5:12 And what else? Well, what did you mainly do? What did you do? What did you mainly do while you were there? You were an arborist, but while you were clearing trees, you cleared trees for the power lines. And you said in your email, I read a little bit about you, you said you would see things in the forest. Is that right? Not really initially. But what happened was, like, I used to hear, you know, things like wood knocks and all that. And at the time, I never even knew what they were at the time until after my encounter when I did research. Well, okay. Wait, wait. I don't even know what that is. What is a wood knock? Oh, sorry. A wood knock is believed to be associated with, you know, Sasquatch or Bigfoot, where here in Australia they call them yowies. Oh. And, yeah, they do like a phenomenon known as a wood knock, which is a noise, you know.
6:16 It sounds like someone having a piece of wood, cracking it against a tree. Huh. And back then I didn't know anything about the phenomenon and never even twigged at it sort of thing. It just didn't mean anything. So this is basically where it all started. It was before my son was born. And my son's now 30 years old. So we're talking 31, 32 years ago. I had a UFO sighting in Melbourne. So it was a Sunday morning. We stayed at a friend's place in Melbourne. And we were going down one of the streets. I'm just trying to think of a name. It's where a really bad massacre happened. Julian Knight shot a heap of people in a Clifton Hill.
7:07 Oh, wow. And I was driving down this street and I was about to go home with my wife to do what they call a radio skit because I was in the country fire, I think, and every Sunday at 11 o'clock we had to get on the radio and, you know, just test the radio to a base and all the fire trucks and everything. Oh, wow. Used to do this. And we're driving down in the main street of, you know, Clifton Hill, and all of a sudden I look out to my left and, like, being an aviator, you know, I know quite obviously all sorts of aircraft. You know, I'm right into private aircraft, airliners, you know, military, aircraft from World War II and jets and all that, parachutes, balloons, you know, you name it, basically. I kind of know about it. And I looked out to the left out of the car and here was this thing sitting there.
7:59 It was basically a classic UFO. So amongst this big group of planes, was it an air show? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This was just by itself. It was on a Sunday morning in Melbourne, right? So it's a suburb of Melbourne. Basically it would be, I guess, three kilometres, four kilometres from the CBD. And this UFO, the way to describe it, it was the blackest black I've ever seen. It was, like, it's hard to describe. It was sort of like a charcoal black. It was dead stationary, didn't move, didn't go up, down, left or right, and it had sort of like little wings hanging out of it, like a stick. Like a stingray, you know, a stingray has sort of flaps hanging down.
8:48 That's kind of what it was like. I remember pulling into a service station and I'm just looking at this thing and I'm with my wife and I'm looking at it and I'm just thinking, what is this, you know? And she shot too? Yeah, definitely, yeah. And there was other people in the service station and I don't know why, but I didn't walk over to them and say, can you see this? You know, I'm just looking at this thing and I was just blown away. You know, it was just full on. It was sitting there. There was no noise. And this is the beginning of the whole thing. I drove off because I watched it for, I don't know, three or four minutes and then drove off down the main street onto what they call the Southeastern Freeway and drove back to where I lived in Gippsland. And as I'm driving home, like, for about five or so k's, I'm looking back, you know, out the back window and I could still see this thing sitting there. And that was kind of the journey of me getting into kind of researching this whole phenomena.
9:51 Now, I went years and years and years and had, you know, nothing happen. And then this story that I'm about to tell you happened in Gippsland in what they call the Strzelecki Mountains, which are a mountain range in Gippsland. Before you go into that one, though, I just have a couple questions. One is about what happened last. So were there other people looking at this thing or was it just everyone just kind of walking around like they couldn't see it or at this gas station or whatever you parked at? That was the interesting part about it, Brad, because there was people that were concentrating on filling their vehicles, you know, with fuel. But there was lots and lots of cars going up and down the road. And I remember looking at the cars and looking at this thing and thinking, has anyone seen this?
10:45 And it stood out like it was like if you have a white wall and have a big black dot sitting on it, you know. It was as clear as a crystal. And with that, the next day I remember I rang a newspaper, and back then it was called The Sun, but now it's called The Herald Sun. And I rang, you know, like the editorial part of it, you know, to ask a question. And I rang up and I said, have you had a report of, you know, any UFO sightings? And there was just this deathly silence. And then after five or ten seconds, the person on the end of the phone said, oh, no, we've had no sightings or no reports of anything. Now, years and years and years later, I met a guy in new age, you know, because I got into the years later, into the new age.
11:42 I got into wanting to know about UFOs and researching. And he told me about that UFO. He never saw it, but he heard a big story that lots and lots and lots of people saw it, like hundreds of people saw it, and that it landed in a place called Kew out of Melbourne, just slightly, still a suburb. There's an area called Kew, and it's beside the Yarra River. And he told me that. He told me that it landed there and they found impression marks and all the rest of it there. And I was just blown away how everything was just kept silent about the whole thing. There was nothing in the paper. There's nothing on the news. And yet hundreds of people witnessed the thing. It was almost like there was a UFO event here in a place called Westall, similar type of thing where almost 300 children, I think it was 12 school teachers witnessed several UFOs, several UFOs landing and hovering around a football oval at a high school.
12:51 And yet nothing to see here, folks. And it was just very similar. All these people, in fact, Lee's auntie is a witness. She was there at the place. Really? Yeah. Quite interesting. I never found that out until probably about six months ago. And, you know, it's just, it's kind of weird how, I know in the research I've done, you know, like there's people, you can have a UFO sitting there and it'll be five people, three will see it, but two won't have any recall of seeing a UFO. And I, you know, I'm a little bit on the back foot of how can you not see something? But maybe, I think maybe people are more open to see things. Maybe. Yeah. Because I know now I'm a Christian.
13:42 And it's all gone. I don't see UFOs. I don't see ETs. It's, you know, the whole thing's gone, if you know what I mean. It's just disappeared by coming to Jesus. But, yeah, so if we move on, that's, you know, when I got in, oh, that's when I had my experience. Like with the power. With the power line work, we did that for years and years. And I lost my contracts. And I had to go out and do a lot of what they call private work, you know, for councils and shires and people that, you know, made roads and constructed roads and whatnot. And basically, to get into the story, we had, I was called upon by a guy to go up and give him a quote on clearing his driveway.
14:45 And so I went up to the place, you know, and it was in a forested area. And it was kind of, you know, remnant vegetation, which means that it was all sort of natural bush. His driveway was approximately a kilometre long, you know, maybe in America you guys call it a mile, give or take a bit. Yeah. I went in, met the gentleman. He was a really nice guy. He took me down the driveway and showed me what he wanted to do. And it was just basic stuff that, you know, me and my workers used to do. And we went through it, looked at it, made a date. I said, all right, I'll come back on such and such a date and we'll do this job. So this is where I had my encounter. So just to explain, at this time, I was an agnostic or, you know, I just didn't believe in God or anything like that.
15:43 I had an interest in UFOs because of, you know, the previous thing that happened to me in Melbourne. Right. And so it was March the 5th, 2008. You know, I got up early in the morning. You know, I made my breakfast and made my lunch and my thermos and went down to the shed where we had all our equipment. And on the day I had my Toyota Land Cruiser. Which had all my chainsaws, you know. It had all my ropes and tackles and chainsaws and pole saws. And then I had to take up my, what do you call it, my tipper and chipper. So I had a tip truck with an enclosed case on it. And a huge big Rayco chipper, which is an American chipper.
16:30 And it was a 12-inch. And it was the best thing ever, you know. You'd almost stick anything in it and just burp at it either. Turn it into chips. When I got the okay to do the job, I went up there with two of my workers. Tim and Ben. And I forgot about this lead-in bit. And what happens, we were working doing this job at his job. We were falling trees and grinding stumps. Right. And he had all these trees around his property, around, you know, his houses and his sheds and things. And anyway. Ben come up to me about halfway through the day and he says, Mick, there's something wrong. And I said, what is it, mate? And he said, oh, down there by the, you know, by the sheds, I just don't feel right.
17:21 There's this really weird feeling. And now I'm going to tell you here and now, Brad, Ben would never say that. Right. He, it was really peculiar. Like this guy had worked for me for two or three years beforehand. Right. And he was at the end of his apprenticeship. And for him to say something like that was just really, really unusual. And anyway, I said to him, well, you know, what is it? And he said, I don't know. And, you know, I just thought nothing of it. And I said to him, just, you know, come up here, mate. Come and work with us. Don't worry about going down there, you know. So I walked down there and I'm looking around trying to see, you know, what possibly could have, you know, made him say that. Yeah. I didn't feel anything at the time. I didn't see anything.
18:08 And it was really unusual. And so we just worked away, finished the day and went home and that was it. Now, Ben left me after that. He finishes his apprenticeship and they say, you know, with apprentices it's a 50-50, you know, they either stay with you or go. And Ben left and he went and he worked on what we call a Morwell River diversion, which was near a big power station in Latrobe Valley. Okay. And he was driving a truck there where he was getting probably double the amount of money I was paying him. Sure. You know, super and everything. And that was pretty devastating for me because, you know, I really liked Ben. He was good, reliable. He didn't drink, you know, or smoke or, you know, he didn't smoke marijuana or anything and he just left. So it was left with just me and Tim, which made things, you know, a lot harder doing work because I was a hands-on man.
19:03 So then we go to March the 5th, 2008, which was around about two weeks after Ben's event. So, again, I got up early in the morning, you know, made my lunch and thermos and went to the shed and I said to Tim, okay, we're going to go up to this site, up at Steve's again. We've got to do what they call a one in five, which is in one metre and up five metres to prune all the, you know, overhanging vegetation. So I went up in the Toyota ahead of Tim and he came up in the tipper and chipper and I got onto the property about probably around about 10 or 15 minutes before Tim. So I pulled up and, you know, being an old farm boy sort of thing, you know, I opened the gate because the gate was shut, swung it open and drove in. And I started to, you know, pull the chainsaws out and, you know, refuel them or fuel them up and sharpen the saws and get the ropes and tackles out and get my pole saw out.
20:17 And I'm there and I had this overwhelming feeling of being watched. It was really intense, right? And I'd never experienced this before ever. And I'm sort of there looking around and like I'm a hunter, right? And, you know, in Australia really there's nothing much to have to worry about. And, you know, here we have wild pigs, which are not in Gippsland. Well, no, I'll rephrase that. They are, but they've been introduced. We have deer. We have dingoes, which I've never had anything, I've never even heard of anyone being attacked by a dingo. We have foxes. What else? We have kangaroos. And they do attack people, but there's none at this place. So here I am and I'm looking around, right, and I'm trying to work out what this feeling was.
21:08 And I'm looking around and, you know, I'm looking for, you know, a hawk or an eagle up the tree or looking for a fox or a feral cat. And I'm thinking, what is this? And it was really overpowering. And anyway, next up the road up comes Tim. So I guided Tim through the gateway. And, you know, anyway, I told him we've got to do the one in five. And away we went doing the work. So while we're doing this work, you know, this feeling's still there. And we had chainsaws going. We had the chipper going. And, like, the chipper, you know, revs at about 110 decibels or whatever. It's really loud. And we had, you know, e-muffs and helmets and everything on. But this feeling was still happening while all this noise was going on.
21:56 And I'm thinking, well, if it was an animal, surely it would have, you know, gone. And I just didn't know what it was. Did anybody else experience this while you were there? No, no. And that's the strange part about it. Tim didn't experience it. I've heard of this before. Because, I mean, even a lot of experiencers say that maybe they saw something and the person they were with didn't see it or that they felt something and the person they were with didn't see it. I think that's fascinating. And others say they have. They have seen something. So there's something to that. I think that's an interesting point to bring out. Yeah. It's almost like it's directed to you. Yeah. You know, like the whatever. Or, you know, you're meant to see it or whatever. So we worked through until 10 o'clock in the morning. And we sat down and had smoko.
22:42 And, you know, we read the trivia and, you know, had our sandwiches. And then we started up work again. And we worked through until 12 o'clock. And the same thing. It would sort of come and go in waves, this feeling. Mm-hmm. And we ended up halfway down the track into the house, which is, you know, the one kilometre long driveway. And we stopped there and we had lunch. And this is probably too much information, but I used to be regular going to the toilet for number two, you know, in the morning. Sure. And this day I hadn't. And, you know, I thought I'd go down and use the toilet in the house or at the house. So I drove down to the driveway and went to the toilet. And I got in there and this toilet was amazing. It was like a little room and it had a bit of a view.
23:31 And it had, you know, an American Indian poster on the wall, you know, and it had the American Indian, like, you know, the Ten Commandments that they have. Sure. It had books on UFOs, books on astrology, spell casting. Oh, wow. All sorts of, you know, what we now know as bad stuff. And at the time, I didn't know, so I'm just in seven heaven. I'm looking at all this stuff, you know, and, you know, they had books on Bigfoot and all sorts of things. And all of a sudden I hear this bang, right, this bang noise. And, you know, I thought, I wonder what that was. There must be someone here. So, you know, I went out of the toilet and walk up and I look in the direction of, you know, where I heard this noise come from.
24:20 And at the time, you know, being an arborist, I know that trees drop limbs. You know, they have what they call summer limb drop or southern limb drop where limbs just fall out of trees here in Australia. Red gums are renowned for it. You know, they just drop limbs and sometimes they land on people's tents or cars and people being killed by it. There's elm trees do it. There's lots of different trees do it. And I thought nothing of it. I'm looking in the direction where the noise come from. I couldn't see anybody. I couldn't see anything. So I just thought, oh, well, maybe just a dry limb fell out of a tree and landed on the, you know, the tin shed. So I got in my Toyota and drove back to Tim. We finished our lunch. Then we worked from about 12.30 through to approximately, it would have been about 3.30 in the afternoon.
25:15 And, again, this feeling's coming and going. And I never said anything to Tim. I just thought I was having a bad day or something. I'm thinking, oh, maybe I'm losing the point. Can you describe the feeling? I know it's probably difficult to describe someone looking at you. Yeah, it was a heavy feeling. It was almost like it was a feeling within my head and a feeling within my chest. And it's hard to describe because I'm sure the listeners will know exactly what I'm talking about if they've had the experience. And to describe it, it's really, really hard. It's, you know, how when you're standing in a hotel and you're having a beer and all of a sudden you'll turn around and look and there's someone staring at you. Yeah. That's exactly what it was like, you know. Or the hairs on the back of your neck go up.
26:04 Yeah, you know, no one's saying anything but your sense being looked at. And that's exactly what it's like. That's the only way I can describe it. So we finished the work on the day. And I remember we had to unload. Yeah. And, you know, unhook the chipper and tip the mulch. And all the mulch poured out in a certain spot. And we got in it and scraped it, you know, the excess out. And while we were there, I hear a helicopter coming. And, you know, over here in Australia years ago, the Victorian police had a helicopter called a Dauphine, which has a very distinct noise. And someone like me that's right into aviation, I hear it. It's a Dauphine.
26:51 And that's a 412, you know, whatever. I can just pick helicopters and aeroplanes just by the sound of them. Bit of a fanatic on aircraft. And anyway, I'm looking at it and it flew past. And me and Tim were looking at the helicopter. And it was only, I guess, about 200 or 300 feet up. It was fairly low. It wasn't going overly fast. And it went past. And it definitely was the helicopter of the police helicopter. Right? But later on, you'll find out that it wasn't. Well, under hypnosis, it wasn't. I looked at it. There it was. It had the checkers on it. It had the Fenstrom rear rotor. And I'm looking and thinking, I wonder where they're going, you know, because being in the Country Fire Authority as a volunteer firefighter, we sometimes had the police, you know, come around our incidents, car crashes or fires or whatever.
27:49 And I'm trying to, you know, trying to just second guess where it was going, you know, because sometimes what happens when someone robs a bank or steals a car, they sometimes rip up in a helicopter because they can get a way better overview of things. And after that, just thought nothing more of it. So we re-hooked the chipper. And we drove out to the front gate of the property. And when we came, when Tim came in in the morning, there was a couple of small bushes that were in the way of the truck, and I stood against them so they wouldn't scratch the truck. And we decided to just cut them off and throw them into the bush and not restart the chipper. So we cut them off, threw them into the scrub because it was, you know, it would just all rot away and it was neither here nor there. It was all remnant vegetation, which, you know, it's just natural bushland.
28:44 And anyway, Tim says to me, you know, do you want a hand to pack up the Toyota? Because, you know, all our hand lines and fuel containers and everything, you know, all the chainsaws are on the back of it. And I said, no, no, it's okay. You just get going because it's going to take you a while to get down the hill. We're up in the Streslicky Mountains and we're above a town called Yarragan and he had to wind down to the town of Yarragan, which would have taken half an hour or so. Mm. And that put me way behind him so I didn't end up behind him and being stuck and not being able to pass him because, you know, it was a fairly windy mountain road. Sure. So I'm left there by myself. Now, this is where things really, really got strange.
29:34 And this was the beginning of my life-changing moment, which just 100 per cent, turned into turmoil. It gave me the worst fear you could ever believe. It made me reassess life. It made me realise that we're lied to and we're lied to on a massive scale. We're lied to by politicians, by newspapers, by radio, by governments, by alphabet agencies. They're just all liars and they're hiding stuff. So this is where it all really, yeah, turned pear-shaped. So there I am. I'm left by myself. Now, I'm going to tell you here and now, Brad, I'm not scared of the bush.
30:33 You know, like the things that I'm scared of in the bush are quite obviously are snakes because we have lots of poisonous snakes here in Australia, tiger snakes, black snakes, brown snakes. Sure. The most venomous. I think the most seven venomous snakes in the world are in Australia. Oh, man. We have, you know, spiders that are very venomous, you know. And then we have, you know, wild pigs. And then in the ocean, which I wasn't in the ocean, we have, you know, like Irukandji jellyfish that can kill you and box jellyfish and white pointers and things. But where I was, there's nothing to be afraid of. So Tim's gone. I'm left by myself. And I start to pack up my, you know, my Toyota. And all of a sudden, this feeling comes over me again, right?
31:22 And it's really, really intense again, this funny feeling of being watched. And then all of a sudden, I began to vibrate. Vibrate? I started to vibrate. Now, the way I describe it at the start, it started just at the base of my skull here, right down my spinal cord to my, you know, sort of down on my coccyx, the bottom, you know, near my hips. And, you know, when I first ever explained this to people, I used to explain it and I'd say, oh, it was a vibration about the size of a Coca-Cola can. And then someone pointed out, oh, that would be your spine. And, you know, I never, ever thought of that. I don't know why I didn't think of that. But that's basically what it was. It was my spine vibrating. It was only a very gentle vibration. And then it got more and more intense. Yeah. And then it began to radiate right throughout my body.
32:19 So my arms were vibrating. My legs were vibrating. My head was vibrating. And it wasn't a super uncomfortable vibration, but it was very, very distinct. It was just like the way I kind of describe it, if you ever go here in Australia, we have a place called Luna Park and I have a haunted house and you walk through it. And on one place, you stand on what they call a vibrating floor and there's a piece of metal you stand on and all of a sudden it vibrates and kind of, you know, it's all dark and it scares the, you know, water out of you. And that's the way, the only way I can describe it. It was like that, but it was kind of a subtle vibration. At that point, I'm thinking, and I'll be really honest, I don't remember what I thought.
33:18 I don't know whether I verbally said, I can't remember, you know, what the F is this? Yeah. And I remember reaching down and I picked up a chainsaw off the ground and I put it into my cupboard, you know, on the side of the Toyota because they all crisscrossed, you know, on the side of my Toyota in a, in a cupboard, the chainsaws. And I put the chainsaw in and then I turned around to walk around to the back of the Toyota, you know, heading and looking down the track that went back to the house. And all of a sudden I see this little kid standing there, what I thought was a little kid. Oh, man. And this little kid just, you know, didn't have a top on. And I'm thinking, what the hell, where's this little kid come from? And you're in the middle of nowhere, right? Yeah. I'm right up in a fairly isolated place. Yeah.
34:13 And I remember trying to process what I'm seeing. And it took me probably five or 10 seconds before I processed it. And then I realized what I was seeing. And I don't know, again, whether I verbally said it or I just thought it, but please excuse, you know, I said, what the F is this? And I'm looking at what I have to say is a classic gray, you know, like an extraterrestrial. What happened to the kid? Is the kid now? It wasn't a kid in my mind. I thought it was a kid because I'm trying to process what I'm seeing. And then, like, I just turn around and there's this thing standing 25 meters away. And I'm just looking and I thought it was a kid initially, you know.
35:07 Like, the first thing wasn't, oh, look, it's an extraterrestrial. That wasn't in my mind, you know. And I'm looking at this thing. And I'll tell you here and now, Brad, the fear, it was unbelievable. Like, when I finally realized what I was looking at, this thing had the classic round head, you know, or oval-shaped head. It had the big black arm and eyes, you know, were on an angle. Extremely skinny. I remember, you know, it's a torso. It's a torso and its arms. It was sort of a whitey-gray color. It was more, you know, it wasn't a classic gray. It was more white than gray. And it's just standing there looking at me, right? And this whole time I'm vibrating. And I'm looking at it. Fight or flight come in.
36:00 I just went into this massive defensive mode. Yeah. I remember feeling myself tense up. And it was full-on fight or flight. I remember I was looking at this thing intensely and we were eyeballing one another. And this thing had the most horrible-looking black eyes. And I remember my hearing, like I've got horrible hearing now, you know, from years and years of chainsaws. But my hearing kind of was full-on listening. And everything went totally silent. There was no noise. Now, in the Australian bush, you know, we have birds. The day was, it wasn't windy. It was, you know, maybe a bit of a breeze from memory.
36:51 But, you know, you have rustling of leaves and, you know, like crickets and things. And there was just no noise. It was just surreal how quiet it was. I remember in my peripheral. I'm looking around, you know, sort of looking each way. And this thing just stood there looking at me, right? And there was no, like the fear, I'll tell you here and now. If you can imagine, like I used to work for the Royal Flying Doctor Service. And we used to have what they call a pain score from 0 to 10. So 0 being no pain and 10 being the worst pain you could ever think of. And to give you an example, for a woman, that would be childbirth. And for a guy, if I grab my chainsaw and cut your arm off now, you imagine the pain.
37:41 That's 10 for a man, right? Well, I talk about a fear score. And my fear from 0 to 10 was 15. It was off the scale. You have no idea how fearful I was. It was just, I almost, just as we think about it now, I almost feel sick just thinking about it. Yeah. Sorry. No, no, take your time. Now, after about, I don't know how long, I guess 30 seconds, the fear seemed to dissipate. Because this thing, even though it was nasty looking, it kind of wasn't threatening. You know, I didn't see it sort of, you know, grit its teeth or anything like that or whatever. It was just standing there in a non-threatening stance.
38:34 With its arms down by its side. I kind of relaxed. And I thought, well, I'll just have to pack up my chainsaw and go. This thing isn't coming near me. So I'll just, you know, keep packing up. So I went about my stuff, packing up the chainsaw. And, you know, there's lots of people say, oh, I would have just jumped in my Toyota and took off out the gate and gone. And it's funny. You know, you have all these different scenarios. But because the threat level seemed to dissipate, I just decided to stay and pack up. And probably thinking about it, a year beforehand, I drove through a gateway with one of my cupboards open and did $1,500 damage to my Toyota. Because the cupboard got ripped off the side of the thing. And that might have been, maybe that was in the side of my mind.
39:28 So I put away all my chainsaws. I grabbed the, you know, the fuel containers. And just every now and then, I'd just look back. And it was just still standing there. It hadn't moved. It was only around about 25 meters away. Maybe, with used guys, 25 yards. You know, like it was very close. I got my ropes. And I had to, you know, fold them up. And we had 100-foot long hand lines. Because, you know, a lot of the trees we did were fairly tall. And fold them up and put them in the cupboard. I had to grab my Ds, you know, shackles, and put them back in their, you know, allotted cupboards. And again, every now and then, I'd, you know, just turn and look back at this thing. And it was still just standing there. It wasn't moving. I didn't see it blink. I didn't see it move its arms.
40:15 It was just standing there. Like it was almost bizarre. It was almost like a statue type thing, you know. But I know it wasn't because it looked physical. Then all this time, I'm vibrating still. I hadn't stopped vibrating. So, from the moment I started to feel the vibration to when I was getting there to pack up the, you know, the Toyota, it was just happening the whole time. I remember climbing up on the back of the Toyota. And if you can imagine on the tray at the back, it had two cupboards either side. And you could walk through the middle of them up to like the roll cage behind the cabin. And I put my pole saw there. And I got the strapped. And tied it on with the strapped so it wouldn't fall off the Toyota. And I turned back around.
41:05 And I'm standing between the two cupboards looking straight back down the track towards the house. And this thing is just still standing there looking at me. Still there. So, from that point, I don't know why I did this. I was looking at it. And I just nodded my head. I don't know why I did it. It was like an acknowledgement or something. And to this day, I don't know why. I did that. And I stepped off the back of the Toyota. And basically, that was the last time I looked at this thing. And I remember walking around the right-hand side of the Toyota. Because in Australia, we drive on the right-hand side where you guys drive on the left-hand side. And I remember as I'm walking up to the Toyota to the door to get into the cabin, I distinctly remember saying, don't abduct me.
41:54 Please don't abduct me. Don't abduct me. I've heard all these stories of people, you know, being abducted. And I got into the Toyota. And anyone that knows Toyota Land Cruisers, I've got a HZJ75. It's got a six-cylinder, you know, diesel engine. And I remember grabbing hold of the key and throwing the clutch, putting the Toyota in neutral. And as I went to turn the key, I'm saying, please start. Please start. Please start. Because, again, I heard, you know, how vehicles stop. I turned the key and why it went. And, mate, you've got no idea, Brad, the music of that engine. To this day, you know, I've still got the vehicle. I love the thing. And I still hear that beautiful six-cylinder sound.
42:40 I put it in gear. And I drove out the gate. And I turned onto the road to go back down to Yarragan. And, again, all this vibration still happened. And being an old farm boy, you know, you've got to shut the gate. If you find a gate, you know, closed, you close. If you find it open, you leave it open. And, you know, I walked back. And what's really bizarre, I walked back, but I had my head down. I'm looking down at the ground. And I just wouldn't look back up at this thing. And I remember all I had to do was do that. And I would have looked up and it would have been standing, you know, down the track, just where I'd come from. I grabbed hold of the gate. And I come back. I shut the gate. I reached through. Grabbed the chain. And I put it through and hooked it on the little, you know, the little locking horn.
43:30 And, again, all I had to do was look up. But I just couldn't do it. I just thought, no, I'm out of your space. I'm going to just walk back to my Toyota and go. I walked back. Got in. Shut the door. Put it in gear. And, again, all I had to do was do that. And I would have been looking straight at it. But I couldn't look at it. I just thought, no. I just don't want to look at you. You know? I'd just go away. Yeah. Yeah. How far away were you from it at this point? At that point, I would have been, I'm guessing, 50 meters. Okay. You know? Because I'd come out of the, you know, the driveway through the gate onto the main road. Again, I'm still vibrating. And I put it in gear. I don't know why.
44:17 But I remember looking in this mirror and expecting, you know, maybe there would be something behind me. But I was also checking for traffic. I looked in this mirror beside me. And there's nothing coming. And then I looked straight down the road. And I don't know why I thought this. It's really bizarre. But in my mind, I thought, oh, you know, I could just imagine. I don't know why this is coming to my mind at the time. But I had this vision of five of them walking down the track there. And you ain't going anywhere. And I don't know why I thought that. And to this day, I don't know why I thought that. Anyway, away I went. And I drove, I guess, 80 meters to you guys, 80 yards. And bang. Everything stopped. As in the vibration. It's like I got out of the zone.
45:05 So all day I had this thing of, you know, being watched. And then the vibration. But after I went about 80 meters down the road, it just all stopped instantaneously. Just stopped. And I. Yeah. I remember then shaking uncontrollably where I could physically see my hands shaking, you know. And I remember turning on the radio in my Toyota and listening to the ABC, which is, you know, the national radio thing and radio station. And I was trying to get some normality or some sense of what I'd just gone through. Right. I drove from there to. The town of Yarragan. Where you come onto the national highway in Australia.
45:54 Number one, the Princess Highway. And I turned onto it. That whole journey. And I'm not going to say how far it is because it would give away where it is because I've been back and seen the owner. And he said, please don't advertise where this is and where it happened. Sure. You know, I understand what he is saying. But that whole journey, I don't remember anything. I do not remember. The whole trip. It's almost like. It was blank. I remember. Getting down to the, to the hallway. And, you know, months and months after the event. I thought about writing a book and I was going to title the book. Who do I tell? Sorry. Who do I tell? Who the hell do I tell?
46:42 Because I was going to go to the police. Yeah. Tell them what happened. And then I thought, wow, no, I'm not going to do that. I go to the police. I'll probably lock me up and put me in. Somewhere, you know. And, you know, Brad. I drove home. And I kept going over and over what I just experienced and thinking. Was that a dream? Hang on. No, I was vibrating, you know, and I kept questioning my sanity as I drove home. I got home. And I'll never forget. I got home. And I walked in. And my wife was there. And my kids were there. And you have an experience like that and try and act normal. Right. Right. And I couldn't tell my wife or my kids what happened. Right.
47:28 I just kept it secret to myself. The fear again, you know, kept coming and going, you know, and I kept questioning myself. I remember walking up to a mirror in the house and just looking at myself. Right up. You know, thinking that maybe something's changed my eyes or something, you know. It was just phenomenal, Brad. It was just so fearful. You've got no idea. So I worked for a month or so. And I couldn't tell anyone, you know. I just couldn't tell anyone. It was like me keeping a secret. I'm sure there's, you know, people here that are viewing this that know exactly what I'm talking about. Because I know with my research. After the event, there's lots of people that take their stories to the grave.
48:20 You know, they won't disclose what they've seen. Which is really sad. Because there's people like me you can talk to. I'm open to listen. 100%. And so it was really weird how things happened. I ended up, I did tell my two sisters. Because my two sisters were fairly open. And well, so I thought. Because when I told them. You could sense that I was thinking, oh, you know, Mick's lost his body, you know. He's going to be, you know, la-la. And what was really interesting is my middle son, he, you know, went to school with a heap of young blokes. And one of the young people that he was friends with was right into new age, right.
49:08 And I went and seen her and had a talk to her about what I saw. And she was just completely open to it. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I'm thinking, what? And she put me on to a lady called Mary Rodwell. And Mary Rodwell is a researcher here in Australia. You know, she researches people that have been abducted. Contactees, abductees. And she put me on to her. And I'd never heard of this lady. And I just wanted to get this off my chest. And get the story. And the story out and have someone to talk to and someone to listen to me and someone to acknowledge what I'd witnessed and what I'd experienced. And that's a big thing. And, you know, for all your viewers here, it's really most important to get it off your chest.
50:00 Talk about it. To people that want to listen and understand. Right. So finally I had to tell my wife at the time. And I just, I got drunk. And I went up to my sisters and brother-in-law's. And we had, you know, a meal up there. And when we were coming back, I'd had a few beers. And I wasn't, you know, rolling drunk. But I was, I had enough alcohol on board to open up. So I told her what happened. And she was quite open to it. Because she knows, you know, that I'm a very honest person. And she just accepted what I had to say. And so then I found out that Mary was having a seminar up in Canberra, which is the capital of Australia.
50:49 And so we got there. And I had to save a heap of money, you know, to buy an airline ticket. And, you know, for accommodation and get a hire car and go to Canberra. And at the time, my business wasn't doing all that well. And we skimped and scraped the money. So I went down to Tullamarine a couple of times. Long story short. Which is the airport at Melbourne. And flew to Canberra, which is I think was only a 45-minute flight. It's not very far. I landed there in Canberra. And I got my bags and hired a car. And I drove around Canberra and found a motel, which was kind of a, I think it was to the northwest of, you know, the main city. And anyway, I got settled in Canberra. And I got a job. And I got settled in my room. And then I went back to my car and drove out to where the seminar was going to be.
51:43 Where, you know, there's all going to be speakers on. People talking about UFOs and UFO experiences. And so I drove out to the place in the daytime. Because this seminar was going to be at 7.30, I think it was, you know, that night. So this was a gathering of experiencers that you were doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I'm going to be really, really honest, Brad. I'd never been to anything like this. And I went there expecting to see people with T-shirts on, like, you know, ET phone home and wearing helmets with antennas on them. You know, but I just thought, these people are going to be weirdos. And I thought, how am I going to do this? And then I thought, oh, it doesn't matter. I'm going to be talking to Mary. I need to talk to her. The rest of it doesn't matter. I got there a bit early.
52:35 So I got there at 7.00. And I walk in. And I'm looking around. And here's all these people. And they're just normal. Just like you and me. Just normal people. Right? They were in suits. They were well-dressed. There was no one there, I believe, that looked like a loony. They were all just normal people, you know? And that made me feel so comfortable, you know, knowing that, first of all. Because I just didn't know what I was getting myself in for. And anyway, I got talking to a guy there. And this guy, he'd had an experience with his dad. And I told him, you know, I've had a big experience. And I told him just briefly what I've just told you. And then anyway, next minute, Mary walked into the seminar. And she was going to give a talk for two hours on the Friday night.
53:29 And then she was going to do another two hours on the Saturday. And in comes Mary. And she's only a very short lady. And I didn't know her. And everyone's, you know, fluffing around her and talking to her and hugging her and giving her kisses and all that. And, you know, I just stood back and waited until everyone had sort of dissipated. And then I walked up to her and held my hand out and shook her hand and said, hi, my name's, you know, Mick Harrison. And remind us all again, who is Mary? Mary is a? Mary Rodwell. She is like a counselor. Okay. She has a real lot to do with marriage. She has a lot to do with abductees and contactees. Okay. Well known. Yeah, absolutely. So I said, well, yeah, I'm Mick Harrison. And I was the person that, you know, emailed you about, you know, having this meeting with you.
54:21 And she says, yeah, yeah, no worries. I'm Mick. And anyway, we discussed about when we'd have this meeting. And she decided to have it on the Saturday afternoon after she'd done her second lecture. Because she said, you know, I've got plenty of time and I can give my time to yourself. So we went into the seminar and we all sat down and Mary got up and started doing, you know, a slideshow and all that. And I'm going to be really honest, Brad, again, you know, the fear kicked in. You've got no idea. There was times where I just went like this. I just couldn't walk. Really? Because here's these people giving experiences of, you know, like being abducted and these entities. And, you know, she's showing signs. And, you know, she's showing slides of what these entities look like. And it was exactly like what I saw, you know, on my work site.
55:09 Oh, man. And it just brought it all back home again. And, sorry, it was like, you know, reliving it all. And so anyway, the seminar finished that night. I forget what. It was pretty late. It was around about midnight. And I went back to the motel. And I go back to the motel. And, again, you know, just like a normal night. I was sort of processing what I just listened to and heard and seen, you know, at the seminar. And I get into the room and I go to sleep at the click of a finger, you know. I'm very, I just go to sleep very easily. And I, you know, stripped off down to my jocks and hopped into bed and went to sleep.
56:04 And all of a sudden. It was around about 3 o'clock in the morning. I remember just waking up. And it was like, you know, how when you wake up, you know, you're a bit lethargic and you sort of have a stretch and a yawn and slowly get yourself out of bed. Well, I woke up and I was dead bolt awake, like as if I hadn't been asleep. Right. It was just, just boom, and I'm awake. And in the room. I don't know. Was I contilled or not? Bear with me. But in the room when I woke up, I could hear this like plastic and paper shuffling and I could hear this like footsteps, you know, like little, imagine children running around, if you know what I mean.
56:56 Yeah. Bang, back into fight or flight. I thought someone's in my room, you know. Yeah. And I'm looking around. You know, I'm clenching my fists and I'm looking around. And in the room, like I was in a motel, and in my bed I could see out the door so I could see out into the living area. And there was enough light to see. Like it wasn't pitch black. It was, you know, I don't know. It was sort of semi-light. So it was dark. It was 3 o'clock in the morning. But you could see. And I'm looking around and I couldn't see anything. There was nothing to be seen. But all this noise, you know. Ch-ch-ch-ch. You know. And do-do-do-do. Footsteps. And I flung the sheets back and I'm looking around and I'm just full on in, you know, fight or flight defensive mode. And I'm sort of walking around looking behind doors.
57:48 And the whole room was empty. There was nothing in there. But you could hear noises inside. Yeah. Yeah. And then the noise stopped, right. It sort of dissipated and stopped. I remember walking around. I turned all the lights on. I'm looking behind doors. Looking in cupboards. Thinking, what was that? You know. And I've never experienced anything like that ever, right. And so I turned all the lights off. Got back into bed. It took me probably an hour to go back to sleep. And like I said here at the start here, I could just go to sleep like that. And I just couldn't sleep. I was just terrified. I finally went to sleep. And I got up in the morning. And I had breakfast. And I'm just thinking, wow. What is going on? This is just bizarre. You know. This is just. What is happening in my life? And I honestly got to the point where I thought I was losing it.
58:35 I really did. I thought I was losing the plot. And I knew I wasn't. I knew I was just a normal sane person having insane experiences. And so I went back to the seminar. And I listened to the second two hours. And again, that just freaked me out. And I remember meeting up with Mary. And we sat down. And the gentleman that talked to me the night before that I told him a bit about the story, he asked if he could come in and sit in in the interview and just listen. And I think his girlfriend or fiance, she was a schoolteacher.
59:27 And I don't know what he was. She was a skeptic. And he was open to it because him and his dad had had an experience. And I said to this gentleman, I said, I'm happy for you to sit in there. But please don't eat. Just sit back and listen. And if you don't like what you want to hear, get up and leave or whatever. So I sat down with Mary. She sat opposite me. And I told her the story of what I just told you. But way more detail. I went into everything. And it probably took me an hour to tell the whole story. Sure. And at the very end of it. After I told her the story, she acknowledged what I'd seen and heard.
1:00:14 And she said, you know, you're now an experiencer. And more than likely you may have been abducted on the day of, you know, my sighting. Because apparently entities can manipulate time. And you can be taken out of the here and now. Spend time with them. And then brought back. And you don't even know where they are. And you don't even know where they are. And then brought back. And you don't even know that you've. Even, you know, moved. And I have the ability. Is, is Mary a what's her background? Is she a Christian or is she a. Just a. I don't know, to be honest. I don't know. But this is where, where it all comes to. Where I turned to Jesus. Years later after this experience. Again, at the time I was an atheist or an agnostic.
1:01:05 And, but I did believe that something. Had created all this, you know, I wasn't that stupid to think. You know, come from evolution or the big bang or whatever. Like it was just ridiculous. To make an explosion of anything. You need a primer and you need something to go bang. And if you don't have nothing, you can't make nothing out of nothing. If you know what I mean? It's quite common sense. So anyway. Mary, you know, had a talk to me. He told me about, you know. What she thought of. She thought of what had happened. And then she said, is there anything you want to ask? And. To this day, Brad, I remember. Turning my head and looking out at the beautiful view at like Burley Griffin in.
1:01:53 In. Canberra. And looking at these yellow willow trees. They're called. So I'll accept your crowds, which is a type of tree. A willow tree. The yellow. And I'm looking at them because I'm an arborist. I'd learned all about botanical names and all that. And I'm looking at the view and there was swans and things on the. On the lake. And I turned back to Mary. I said, Mary, if this is all true. And I know it is. How do I protect my wife and my children? Hmm. Hmm. And. I started crying. And I had my hands on the desk in front of me and she reached out. And took my hand.
1:02:42 And she said, if you don't like. What's happening. She said, do these. She said in the name of Jesus. If you are not here for my greater good. Go and go now. And I will go. Wow. Now. Those words. I couldn't tell you what I did yesterday. But those words in 2008, which was. 20 odd years ago or more. Are just so fresh in my mind. Right. She said, if you use those words. That will stop. They'll just stop. Now. I'm going to say this. What's really annoying.
1:03:30 Is she doesn't tell a lot of people that, but she told me. And. She never says that in her, you know, seminars or interviews, but. Maybe God was looking over me. And made her say that. I don't know. I don't know. I'm only speculating here and you should never speculate or. Assume or second guess anything. I. Again, at the time being an atheist. I took it on board. I remembered what she said and. I moved on. And one of the things she said to me, she said, whatever you do. Make research. Do as much research as you can. You know, look at CDs. Look at YouTube clips, read books, talk to people. Go.
1:04:19 Go to people and talk to them. And, you know, in that research, I, you know, I'll be honest with you. I went. I flew around the country. I went and seen a gentleman called Charles hall. Which had. He had experiences with tall whites in area 53, which is beside area 53. Which is beside area 51. Me and him had a. Probably a five or 10 minute talk on. How he and how I overcome fear. Coping strategies. He's a man of God. I spoke to. No, I didn't. Sorry. I went and seen Travis Walton up in. Katoomba in New South Wales. Travis Walton is a guy that was subducted.
1:05:07 And taken for five days and then reappeared and. Oh, yeah. All his mates. You know, We'll put on a polygraph and they all pass it. And then they went on a polygraph the second time and all passed it. And the chances of that. Billions to one. Billions to one to pass a polygraph and all pass. With, you know, No inconsistencies. Yeah. I've. Been insane. I've been insane. I've been insane. I've been insane. I've been insane. I've been insane. I mean, Michael Challenger. He's a South African guy and listen to some of the stories he's talked about. Who else.
1:05:53 I've. I've been to America and Canada, America, twice, Canada. And New Zealand twice, you know, doing. See fives and talking to people. I see far for those that don't know, is like a close encounter. The fifth column, which is. Seeing entities. wish for it you know i didn't participate in it and what i would highly recommend to anyone listening to this do not ever ever ever get involved in ce5s don't go there because all you're doing is as invoking entities and these things are demons right um so getting back i yeah i traveled the world um i got very very interested in um over here in australia yeah and um bigfoot sasquatch and then i've you know looked in china they call them yeren in um where else in uh new zealand they call them um moe moe moo i think it is i can't i can never pronounce it properly but these things i found all over the world but i've got to go back to um the seminar sorry i got off track there a bit sure so with the seminar um at the very end of it you know i watched a heap of other people talk about you know different things and lots of ufo photographs and and it just all brought it that i was guessing that this stuff was real right but i've since learned stuff that i know it's just garbage but um that night so it was the saturday night i went back to the hotel the seminar had finished everyone had gone home but i stayed over saturday night and then sunday morning i went out to the airport and flew home and saturday night um i went into the same room and i'm sitting there oh sorry i get into bed and the same thing go to sleep and again around about three o'clock in the morning which i now know is what they call the witching hour um and i'm sitting there and i'm sitting there and i'm sitting there and i'm sitting there and the same thing brad just you know the paper shuffling the footsteps you know and then all of a sudden i hear this down the hallway right now the hallway was out of the room i was in and the only way to describe what i heard is if there's a you know a famous um olympian assain bolt um he's the fastest man in the world or was the fastest man in the world and he this is what this thing sounded like it sounded like him running down the hallway it was just super fast it was it was crazy fast and i've again in my research i've found out that uh these entities can run at impossible speeds like yahoo saskatch they've been clocked at 50 miles per hour 80 kilometers per hour um by police cars and um and they're just super fast again i sat up and i'm looking around and then i just it come to me and i said very very clearly and precisely in the name of jesus christ if you're not here for my greater good go and go now and i said it probably that loud and instantaneously it was just not five seconds later or 10 seconds later immediately it stopped wow just went quiet and i remember it got up and i'm looking around again in the room there's nothing there and i looked out the window and i looking up you know for a ufo or something and i sat on the end of my bed and i thought wow wow wow wow that was that was unreal you know i said them words and it stopped and so from that point i went years researching right after that point i flew home
1:10:10 and again i didn't become a christian till years later and um and with the research you know i went everywhere i talked to people i had a real fascination with what they call black panthers sorry black panthers here in australia which are supposedly not they don't exist because we don't have large cats other than you know feral cats which kind of grow as big as a fox okay um i had a fascination with yow always um because um later on with the the research and with meeting mary mary come down and stayed at my place and um i had um hypnotic regression which i wouldn't recommend anyone to do and um um on the day i i failed to tell you when i drove into the gate at the property you know where i had this overwhelming feeling of being watched i forgot to mention i was looking around like i said you know looking for a hawk or an eagle or a feral cat or whatever but every now and then i just turn to this one point and look at this black what i thought was a um a tree fern over here we have big ferns they're you know probably 10 inches in diameter and they grow anything up to 30 feet and they're black and this was kind of wider than a normal tree fern and i just you know i'm looking around but i'd look back at this black thing something kept drawing me to that and i failed to um tell you that at the start of the um interview but under the hypnosis when i looked at this thing you know when i was being hypnotized or you know under um the hypnosis i could see like a you know a head and shoulders um it wasn't all that wide but it was like a person facing the other way so it wasn't facing me it was facing away and it was jet black and that's exactly what sasquatch bigfoot and yowies do they sometimes squat down and they just look like a tree stump and under hypnosis that's what come out i failed to tell you that do you think um and this is just my surmising do you think sometimes this hypnosis thing it can bring back things that uh are planted in your brain that weren't actually there but you remember them because they possibly yeah i do i possibly believe yeah um it's kind of strange how it works because you can see things that you can't normally see right and and that's what makes me think that because i've heard many stories of people saying you know this happened this happened this happened but it wasn't until i had this hypnosis that then i was able to see through and understand what it was or it brought back memories that weren't there anymore and it makes me wonder and and this is this is this is what i believe and and so i i might not believe exactly what you believe about it but i believe that hypnosis is is a dangerous thing sometimes and it can be very very tied to spiritualism and if if uh someone goes and allows themselves to be hypnotized perhaps they're allowing themselves to be injected with memories that weren't there even i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know yeah and i'm hearing you i'll tell you here and now now that i'm a christian there's no way no and i would do it no way i know it's not good um yeah i wouldn't recommend anyone to do that but at the time you know being the atheist and not knowing i wanted answers and i dove deep um i really don't like using the um you know the term of going down the rabbit hole but i will to give you an idea of what i did to give an example i um i was on the 10 meter you know diving board and i jumped off it and did a back flip double somersault half pike straight down the rabbit hole and took the red pill as i went as far as doing the research and you've got no idea of me and lee have researched everything you could think of we've talked to people i've been privy to information that i won't say here i've seen photographs of things that i won't show here and we're lied to mate we are lied to on a grand scale yeah it's just phenomenal you know and um i worked for the royal flying doctor service for
1:14:56 about eight years i was a non-emergency patient transfer ambulance officer and i used to transport people all over gippsland from melbourne to you name it in gippsland and then i was a non-emergency patient transfer ambulance officer and vice versa back to melbourne what was really interesting is i i had a real fascination in fireless scenes which are an animal called a tasmanian tiger which are supposed to be extinct and um and black panthers that don't exist in australia and um i can assure you i heard so many stories like uh with black panthers i've now heard a hundred and i think it's three black panther stories for an animal that doesn't exist in australia three yeah uh two two of them the people have seen them on multiple occasions twice thylacines i've heard i think it's four stories they're not all that common them stories but thylacines are a tasmanian tiger which is a marsupial uh it's like a wolf um and they've got stripes and um they've been witnessed uh in victoria and tasmania by um several people are these black panther and tasmanian tigers are they are they like the uh the sasquatch that is somewhat human humanoid or are they an animal that well the tasmanian tiger is was a real thing it's like a kangaroo it's a marsupial so it's a real thing got it uh the black panthers um what through my was a member of a group that researched black panthers and i got involved with them and i had several different um theories on what they were it's quite interesting number one was they reckoned that they were the black panthers were an undiscovered marsupial that people you know um like science hadn't found or researched there's no bodies of these things the other thing was a story i heard that um supposedly the egyptians come to australia and went up some major rivers like some of the major rivers are the murrumbidgee i'm sorry the murray river and the darling river they're massively long and they were the the pets of the egyptians now you can kind of laugh at that but here in australia in a place called newcastle which is just above sydney there's um a sacred site of the aboriginals and there's two big rock walls that are approximately eight ten feet apart and there's hieroglyphs exactly the same as the egyptian hieroglyphs carved into the rocks which hardly anybody know about but with my research and talking to you know indigenous people i've heard about it i've never been there i've got friends that have been there and they said they're rigid they're very very old you can tell it's very old you know the way the rocks have um deteriorated um the other thing is um with the black panthers um during the war the u.s air force come to australia and help defend australia during world war ii and the american airmen used to have mascots and some of their mascots were you know black panthers um and the story is through what we um what i remember is um um up at east side of australia we had a black panther and we had a black panther sail which is not far from where i live um the uh the war started to really progress up around uh port morsby you know new guinea and um the airmen were told to go and destroy their panthers take them out into the bush and shoot them now there's a story that i've heard that some guy witnessed them taking them out into the forest which was sort of um it was near yarram which is um in southern australia and um this gentleman apparently witnessed them letting them go and they weren't shot they'll just let go now to breed up you know we need a male and a female and then with interbreeding you know you get um things going wrong with their genetics and all the rest of it so i don't know whether that story is right and again i don't know how many were released and whether it's even true interesting but i've had some amazing stories like firsthand eyewitnesses have told me stuff like bus drivers um bushwalkers horse riders um soldiers walking through the forest um just all
1:19:56 sorts of people now one thing that's very interesting in the um the research that i've done talking to indigenous people they say that sasquatch bigfoot yeah uh yetis um they're interdimensional beings and they're shape shifters so they can change shape that's that's exactly what they see about extraterrestrials too that's interesting yeah and i can tell you a story about that if you want to hear another story of personal experience and they believe that yaoi's change into black panthers so they can be more stealthy yeah run fairly fast now i don't know whether that's true or false i don't know but the stories that i've heard from indigenous people here in australia and new zealand and america for that matter um they all say that that is a possibility they can do that yet they swear that that does happen and through my research i haven't got a doubt in my mind it's zero doubt you know through what i know um to give an example of what my experience i've never seen a black panther very interested but never seen one um heard like i say 104 stories 103 whatever it is but uh i used to do um tree hazard assessments for a power company because i'm an arborist by trade um you know i went to the burnley horticulture college to um become an arboriculture source um and i know a real lot about trees and i've been in the tree industry i'm not now but i've been in it for about 26 years i knew how trees grew and how you know um the things to look for in a tree that may fail you know we've got dead limbs dying limbs crossover limbs limbs of poor attachment v crotching you know um you crotching in trees and i know how they can fall over and and limbs fall off and whatnot and i'm um really understanding about the native trees here in the area that i live in and i work for a gentleman where i used to do tree hazard assessments along power lines so you imagine the power distribution uh comes from it's you know like a switch yard and from there here in australia we have 22 000 volt power lines and 66 000 volt and the 22 000 volt power lines um how do i describe it it's like a river so If you can imagine, you have a main river and then off the river you have little creeks and tributaries, I can't even say the word, and I'd start at the switchyard and I'd go all the way up the power line assessing trees.
1:22:49 So I did that for two years and it was the best job. You were your own boss. You were expected to do what they call 40 bays a day, so between poles, that's called a bay, and that could be a kilometre long or 100 yards or whatever, but you had to try and do 40 a day. Some days, one day they're, oh, I want to do 185 in one day. Wow. There's nothing there, it was so easy. It was along South Gippsland Highway. But then sometimes you would get into a plantation, so you'd have a plantation of pine trees or, you know, eucalypts and there's a lot of them. In this area where I live. And anyway, this day was just a normal day. Well, actually, it wasn't a normal day. It was very windy from memory. And I had to go and, you know, do assessments. Again, it was in the Stresleckies. As the crow flies, it was around about three or four kilometres from where I had my experience up from Yarraig and where I was in the Stresleckie Mountains.
1:23:57 I went into this place and I had my, you know, my backpack and in that I had a, what they call an inclinometer where you could push a laser and point it at the bottom of a tree and hold it on and go to the top of it and it'd give you the height of the tree. Okay. Yeah, it was brilliant. You know, instead of guessing how high the tree was, you could just look through it and push a button and it'd give you the exact height in metres or feet or whatever. So I had that and I had my camera and my notebook and I had a little palm thing that, you know, you put in information. You know, if you found a tree that needed removing, you could say what it was and where it was. So it was just a normal day. I walked into this plantation following an easement, which is called a SWER easement, which is a single wire earth return, which is just a single 11,000 volt power line.
1:24:53 And I'm walking and in a way I probably shouldn't have been there because it was really windy, you know, and I was just walking and I was just walking and I was just walking and I was just walking and I was just walking and I was just walking and I was just walking. And these trees were 80, 90 feet tall and they're all really bending, you know, and you kind of couldn't hardly hear yourself think type of thing because of the, you know, the wind and, you know, looking up all the clouds were going past really, really fast. And anyway, I'm walking along, looking at the trees, looking at the bases of them and, you know, for basal flare and looking, you know, for, you know, floating, you know, floating, you know, floating, you know, roots and things that can happen in wet, soily ground, you know. And all of a sudden, like you've imagined, I've got my backpack on, I'm walking along and I'm in the middle of the easement and I'm walking towards the sun and it would have been about 10 or 11 o'clock in the morning and the sun was sort of, you know, into the north, you know, northern hemisphere here in Australia.
1:25:54 And all of a sudden, I'd say 15 feet in front of me, this thing appeared. And it was black. And the only way to describe it, it was humanoid in figure. And I don't know if you can imagine a swarm of bees or a flock of birds and it was all pixelated and it was black, but it was pixelated. But it was, you know, the form of a, you know, like a humanoid, you know. How far off was it? It was 15 feet. And it walked towards me. And if I had done that, I could have touched it. It come within a foot of me and I turned and went, whoa. And it walked past me and I watched it walk off probably another 10 or 15 feet away from me and then it just vanished. Now, I swear, Brad, I don't care what anyone says, I've seen this thing.
1:26:52 It was as clear as day. And I thought, what the F was that? And please excuse me saying that. Sure. But I just. Whoa. And it happened that quick. It was sort of, it just appeared and it was walking like it wasn't walking fast. It's just walking normally. I'm five foot 11 and this was slightly smaller than that. I reckon it would have been about five foot eight tall, give or take a bit. And yeah, it was just like a pixelation of a flock of birds or a swarm of bees. But it was, you know, the black pixelation. Wild. Wild. And then just after that, which was really weird, I looked at it, I saw that, I turned back and I'm trying to process it and all of a sudden there's this bright white flash.
1:27:43 Like, I don't know if anyone has ever, you know, listening to this has ever had been really close to a lightning strike where you get that big flash, you know, from the lightning. It was like, you know, a flash. And there was nothing to cause it. If you know. I'm in a plantation. There was no street lights or no lightning. It was weird, mate. And I didn't, you know, get affected or nothing. It didn't come near me or whatever other than it walking past me. I walked back out to the Toyota after I'd been in this plantation because it got really thick and I actually couldn't penetrate through it. And I had to go around to the other side of a bit of a gully. And when I walked back out to my Toyota, I walked back out and I opened it up, I had it locked and I could hear these birds calling.
1:28:38 And over here we have these birds called Wonga pigeons and they've got a very distinct call. You know, it's a bit like a loon in America, you know, how loons make a very distinct call, you know, that they use in horror movies. Well, the Wonga pigeon has a very distinct call, you know, if you're into birds, you know it. Yeah. Yeah. But there's three of them that I couldn't see, but I could hear and I just didn't sound right. It just didn't sound right, you know, and something was saying, go down and look at it, go down. And then there was something within me saying, don't go there. You know, like my gut feeling was, no, don't go there. And what I will say again to your listeners is if you ever have a gut feeling that says, don't go, don't go. Let's go. Listen to your gut because I really believe your gut is a second brain or probably more intelligent than your brain because something was drawing me to want to go and look at this noise.
1:29:43 And they're just Wonga pigeons and it was really bizarre, but they didn't sound like Wongas. And I've been told that, you know, Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Yowies, they imitate birds and animals and sometimes they do it really good. But other times they do it where it's not. It's not good. And it was almost after seeing this black thing walk past me, you know, half an hour, an hour beforehand and then hearing this noise. I'm just saying, no, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. We were going to go to a seminar in Chawila in America, in Washington state. We're going to go and talk at a conference there because I used to talk on the Yowies manually. And before that, we flew to Vancouver because. I'm. I'm. A really large hotspot of Sasquatch and Bigfoot sightings is around a place called Harrison Hot Springs, which is sort of north of Vancouver in Canada.
1:30:41 So we flew to Vancouver. We stayed in a bed and breakfast there and we drove up to Harrison Hot Springs and had a look at it. Statues everywhere, wood carvings of Sasquatch and Bigfoot. They're everywhere on the footpaths, the Sasquatch footprints. And we went there with another gentleman just to have a look. And we didn't see anything. We saw a rock stack on a road, which is where those stack rocks, you know, and that's quite a common thing around Sasquatch and Bigfoot. They do that. So what led me to Jesus was I think this was the catalyst. We went to a place called Golden Ears Provincial Park and we went camping. And we hiked six kilometers up this creek called Golden Creek, which flows into, I think it's called the Alouette Lake.
1:31:41 And I could be wrong. People here that are listening to this in Canada may be able to rectify all this. Before I went, I did a lot of research on what is nasty and dangerous in Canada. And, you know, they have Wolverines, lynx, mountain lions. Elk, white-tailed deer can be dangerous at certain times of the year. What else? And there's all this, oh, moose, you know, male and female moose can be dangerous. And me being a hunter, I took a lot of notice of that. And, oh, the other thing is bears, you know. And anyway, this gentleman that we went with, he was a bit blasé. He said, oh, no, no, he'd be right, he'd be right. And we, me being an Australian where we have snakes and spiders and wild pigs and things that are nasty, I thought, no.
1:32:38 So, we went and bought some bear spray for protection. But we only bought one tin of it. And anyway, we got all our gear together, our sleeping bags, ground mats, food for a couple of days and away we went. And at the time, I was as crooked as a... And getting over being crook, I, you know, had just, you know, feeling full of, you know, phlegm and whatnot and full of mucus. And I was all the time blowing my nose. And, you know, I was getting over that when we walked into this forest. And we walked for miles and we went to this spot. I estimate, I've looked on Google Earth, and I estimate it was about six kilometres from the car park or from the trailhead, I think they call it in America or Canada, where the track starts.
1:33:31 And we walked up. And along the way, we met other people. And then where we got to, there was no people. We didn't see anyone for the three days that we were there. The most beautiful spot you could think of, you know, like Canada is just gorgeous as far as the scenery goes. There's the Golden Ears Provincial Park. You have these massive big mountains to the west of where we were, back towards Vancouver. But we were led in there by this gentleman. I won't mention his name. And he was right into Sasquatch and Bigfoot. And he said that this area was a habituate of where they were. And there's a guy, he's an American, or he could be a Canadian Indian that goes there. And you'll see him on YouTube. I better not mention his name. And he filmed stuff like, you know, footprints and, you know, these shelters.
1:34:24 They build for themselves. And while we were there, we found a footprint in the sand. It was just a, there's three footprints. Just like, you know, a barefoot, as in not a bear is a bear, but a bare footprint, like a human, but it wasn't a human. But there's only three of them in the sand. And that's quite common for the phenomena of, you know, looking for Bigfoot and Sasquatch. So just all of a sudden, we believe, appear out of nowhere, come into this realm, take a few steps and then disappear again, just to confuse humans. And it works. So we set up camp and we were just going to sleep on ground mats, just out in the open, right, on the river flat. And it was a really open area. There's a huge big log, which had quite obviously fallen in the river and been washed down, you know, in the floods or whatever in the river.
1:35:23 And we went to sleep. We went around and we collected masses of firewood and we had it all stacked up and we're just putting bits of wood on and just keeping the fire going because, you know, fire is the best protection against animals, what the animals don't like fire. So over there, we were just kicking back. We had some tea. This is on the first night. And we're sitting there and we're just full on talking about, you know, different stories of UFO encounters and sightings and Sasquatch Bigfoot and Yowies in Australia and whatnot. And this guy was just fascinated and fascinating to listen to because, you know, we were sharing all different stories from different parts of the world. We'd only met this guy on Facebook. And we're kicking back and we're looking at the stars. It's just phenomenal.
1:36:18 And we were looking at the odd satellite going over. And at one stage, two satellites. It went over together. And, you know, they were one behind the other. And I thought, geez, that's unusual because I'd never seen that before. Yeah. And anyway, we're watching all the jets going into Vancouver. You know, they're on descent into Vancouver. And because, you know, me again being the aviation. Oh, sure. And anyway, it began to rain. And it was only light rain, but it was enough to annoy her. And we thought if it's going to keep raining, we're going to get wet during the night. You know, we had sleeping bags and they'd get wet. And we had a tent with us. So we decided to set the tent up. So there we are blundering around in the dark. And we set up the tent. And we set the tent up and I was just dog tired. So I jumped in the tent and I laid down and, you know, I was just starting to drift off a bit.
1:37:13 And then Lee come in and she laid beside me. And then this other gentleman got on the right-hand side of her. So it was a four-man tent with three of us in there. Sure. Now. I was in the country fire authority for years here in Australia. And I know how hard it is to put a fire out. Okay. I used to be what they call an air attack supervisor. So I used to fly around in bird dogs and in helicopters, like jet ranges, directing water bombers on the fires. We had heli-tacks and water bombers, you know, converted crop dusters that used to bomb the fires with fire retardant and water, you know, with. Wedding agents in it. And I am very, very, very familiar with fires. You know, we did structural fires, house fires, car fires, building fires, forest fires. So I know how fire work and how hard it is to put out. All of a sudden, while we were in the tent, we don't, we'd only just got in there.
1:38:15 I was lying back, you know, and just starting to drift off to sleep. And all of a sudden, Lee says, what's that? What's that? And I said, well, what? She said, there's a figure outside the tent. And I got up and leant. So I got my feet out, but just leaning up. And there was this black figure, a humanoid figure, but big. And you could see it, like you could see the fire, and it was standing between the fire and us in the tent. Oh, okay. Then all of a sudden, the fire just went out. Completely. Completely out, right? It was like someone had drawn a curtain and put the fire out. Now, I'll tell you here and now, Brad, that doesn't happen. The fire, we'd stoked up a bit to, you know, burn through the night.
1:39:09 And the plan was to get up in the middle of the night and throw a few more, you know, logs on and make sure that it burnt right through to the morning because it wasn't going to cause a fire where we were. Then all of a sudden, this sheet of log, this sheet of log, this sheet of log, this sheet of log, this light come down, okay? And you could see it outside the tent, and it was around about four or five foot wide. And within this light, it was kind of a whitey color. There was sort of like three lighter bits. It's kind of hard to explain. So it's white, but there was whiter bits in it. And it was on a bit of an angle. It was three or four foot wide, and it's outside our tent. And we all got on our knees, and we're sort of trying to look, you know, what is this?
1:40:01 What is this? And anyway, the gentleman that we were with, he said that he knew some of these, supposedly these Sasquatch by name, and he used to call them, I forget, the young ones or something. And he used a name, and, you know, I've memorized the name, and I can't tell you what it is now because I can't remember. But let's say it was, you know, Chewbacca, but it wasn't that. And he said, is that you, Chewbacca? And there was just nothing, right? And then Lee said, is that you, whatever, because there was a female name that she used that he told us about. And again, nothing was said. We didn't see anything happening other than this light just outside the tent. The fire's gone out. It's pitch black other than this light. And anyway, I said to him, I nearly said his name then, I better not.
1:40:54 I said, just open the zipper and poke and have a look out. And he wouldn't do it. I'd seen him lean forward, then he just leant back. And we had a fly on the tent, but the fly was on the wrong way. So it was covering the doorway and the window, and we couldn't look out. And I remember all three of us were on our knees. We were literally, well, me and Lee, we were touching each other, and quite obviously the gentleman and Lee weren't touching, but we were only six inches, or they were six inches apart. All three of us seen the same thing, but to a degree, it was slightly different. And then all of a sudden, as, well, I reckon it lasted, I'm guessing 30 seconds, maybe a minute, but I'd sort of lost perception of time because I was just fascinated by what I was looking at.
1:41:50 And all of a sudden, the light, it went up, it went up fairly slowly, but it went up in a way. And as it went up in a way, I watched it off to my right. And if you ever had an LED torch shine in your face. So you were outside the tent? No, no, we're still inside the tent. But there's three lights in a triangular shape came through, how do I describe it? Through the light or from the light, but through the tent. Yeah, yeah. You can see them through the tent's fabric, right? Yeah. And the only way to describe it, it was like an LED torch, those three lights. And it was only, it wasn't all that big. And then that just vanished and the light was gone and it was pitch black.
1:42:42 Then all of a sudden, the fire come back. And then all of a sudden you could see, yeah, you could see, how do I explain, like, you know, inside the tent, you could see the shimmering. You couldn't see the fire itself, but, you know, the shimmers of the light against the tent and the black entity, all that figure had gone. Now, I don't know what that was, right? I'm guessing it was a UFO maybe shining a beam down. This is a guess. I'm only guessing. The figure, I'm guessing, was a Sasquatch outside our tent. I don't know. We got up the next morning, looked around, there was no footprints. There's no marks in the sand. And yet all three of us saw it. But then all three of us had a slightly different take on what we saw. Lee and the other gentleman didn't see the three lights where I did.
1:43:35 And there's just slight differences in our story, yet we were beside each other. It was weird how we remembered everything. So with that, trying to cut a long story short, we went to the conference, had a talk. We drove all the way down through. Washington State, Oregon, and California had some weird stuff happen in Mount Shasta, but that's another story. And I come home and Lee decided she wanted to go to a church. And she was getting this voice in her head saying, go to church, go to church. And then she was getting this voice in her head saying, full baptism, full baptism, full submersion. And me at the time being. You know, an atheist.
1:44:25 I said, well, you go and tell me what it's like. And she went to church where we lived at the time. And she come back and thought, wow, I want some of that. She was all smiles and she was all pumped up from being at church. So I just thought I'd go. Excuse me. So I went to church and I was a bit like a cat with a long tail in a room full of stuff. I was like, no, I can only do this once a week. of rocking chairs you know i felt really funny about being there but all the people were very very friendly and um so um a couple of months later we you know we both had um our baptisms where we had a full submersion in a bath and that was as a friend of ours reckons he could really feel and see um the holy spirit in the church he said it was phenomenal and mine and lee's testimonies you know when we spoke um he was just everyone was blown away by what we said and from that day um brad i'll tell you and the viewers we have never had anything since that's just all wow wow so all this all this stuff had happened to you beforehand and then when you decided you were going to commit your life to christ it went away it's all gone i have no recall of anything i'm just trying to think and i've never seen a ufo i've had no experiences every day i cover myself in the blood of jesus and um i also you know put on the armor of god and i ask for protection every day and i have no incidents or accidents um it's just phenomenal how our life has changed it's just amazing um and um anyone out there that's in new age or you know following any of this ufo et stuff or susquatch bigfoot just stop now yeah because these things are entities and they're not nice i kind of look at them like pedophiles they lure you with um little stick figures and crystals and um wood knocks and um you know um rock stacks um they have what they call rainbow trees um where trees get bent like you know over like a rainbow um which is really weird as far as um an arborist goes because you have you know tension wooden compression wooden how's that work they're really common in in susquatch bigfoot or yaoi habituates where they are you get trees crossed you get all sorts of things um and you know what happens is these entities they're after your soul they don't care about you or me they hate you or me they absolutely hate it and they just want our soul for satan and i just say to everybody just get out of it back away and bring yourself to god bring yourself to jesus because through what i've learned he is the most amazing savior ever and you know as i said earlier about where i you know spoke out aloud when i heard all them um you know all the footsteps and the paper shuffling and all that you know just instantaneous stop and again through our research we've had testimonies of hundreds of people they've called upon jesus and it's just stopped instantaneously wow wow absolutely he has the most major power and authority over every living entity or every interdimensional entity or whatever god jesus yeshua and most powerful and don't ever ever ever ever think that any of this is not real take it from me it's as real as us guys looking at one another you know it's just amazing and um what i'd really like everybody to do if possible and i need to look if you have any problems with anything or if you want to get out of all this you know you can
1:48:56 come to new to christ which is behind me there new to christ.com.au um you can email um new to christ at mail.com and then we have we have youtube um clips on new to christ again it's new n-e-w to the number and christ um lisa counselor um she's a christian counselor so she um she'll steer you in the right direction if you want any help um and it's just most important you know we've had so many people come to us and talk to us and we're open to anything doesn't matter what it is we're open to listen and that's the most important thing ever um you have to have someone that will listen and you know like i i listen to people like um david poloides um i don't know if you know him or not but he has missing 411 and he talks about people you know going missing in america there's thousands of people you know throughout the world every year and uh there's another guy um steve how to hunt i don't know his surname and he gets emails every day of people that have had um bigfoot and sasquatch yaoi yeren yeti experiences and these people that are coming forward to him uh um you know like um what are they like you know scientists researchers people that work in um uh nuclear power plants and but they're not just the average joe blog you know um all these people are coming forward and people are now beginning to open up because there's platforms where you can go and talk to people and um and um yeah it's it's just it's really good that people are listening but some some of these people i must admit they're a little bit off off the number i'm not saying everything i say is you know 100 gospel or true sure um but i think i've got a half a handle on most of this um but then again you can always be deceived but certainly um jesus won't deceive you at all amen wow thank you so much mick that's that's an incredible story what i like best about it is that you found the way the truth and the answer to correct all this stuff and that's that's the most important out of all the amazing stories and amazing life experiences i'm sure you even you haven't told me that you haven't told me that you because i know by the email that um you and your wife sent me that there's so much more to tell i i think it's it's the most incredible thing is that you you found out how to stop it and that is to ask that divine protection to uh and honestly brad it'll work you know so the view is there it works don't ever think it won't i must once you do that you have to come to god though give you have to come to god because he protects you don't just say it and think that things are going to be rosy you really need to devote yourself to god it's the truth and the way and um i i just yeah i have a hundred percent faith in him yeah but thank you for having me absolutely absolutely god bless you and i hope to talk to you again it's lovely to meet you bro