0:00 he said, what's your name? I said, my name's Joe. He says, all day an angel said to me, you need to go to that place. You will meet a man called Joe. So he comes to the right place then. Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Brad Burnham. We talk about the strange events that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what is going on around you. And there's going to be a lot going on around you soon. So you should hit that subscribe button, hit the little bell notification so you are notified when things like this happen. And we've got an amazing show tonight. Something very interesting from Dante. Dante, he's got a fascinating story about how he came to know the truth about these things and how it turned his life upside down. And before we get started with Dante tonight, if you find this information important and valuable, please consider contributing in the links in the description. Now let's get right into it. Dante, tell us a little bit about yourself. Thanks, Brad. Yeah, I'm from the UK and I'm a psychotherapist and I have been a Christian for over 20 years. My travel, my adventures, my journey have taken me from the UK to Europe, to the USA. Now currently I'm in Asia. So I've been running my own private practice as a therapist. Now I'm out here in Asia, doing likewise. I would like to imagine that the walk that I've had, the experience that I've had is available to all those who walk with Christ. One of my favorite scriptures is an Enoch walked with God and was not for God took him. It's like when you walk with God, when you know God, then you'll see things and you'll do things. But it wasn't always that way with me. It was a learning curve. And also having to walk with those that would teach me and edify me to see that God is here. He's not out there leaving his answer machine on that is very alive and present. And the things that Christ did can also do, which takes a bit of renewal of mind. However, I'd like to stress out, it's not that we should pursue signs and wonders, signs and wonders follow us. But ultimately, it needs to be a walk of love. Because without love, it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, but my adventures, my journey, walking with Christ, I've seen many amazing things. I mean, with God, there is no supernatural, it's just natural, just like breathing oxygen. So yeah, I've seen a few things.
3:08 So tell me, how did you? How? Where did you come from? And how did you? How did you get there? I guess is the broad scope of things. But you came tell us, tell us at first a little bit more about where you came from, in terms of walking with the Lord. My parents are from Sicily. Well, my mom's with the Lord now. But they're from Sicily, they emigrated to the UK, back in the 60s. So growing up in the UK, I was a child that didn't really fit in, I was too Italian, for the English to English to the Italian. So I always felt a bit like an alien. Now, my, my grandparents were in the war. And my grandparents or my granddad and my nonna kind of brought me up and my granddad had PT, a post traumatic stress disorder from some of the things he saw in the war. And some of those things over spilled generationally into my mother's life. When they came here, my nonna and my mother were in a, in a road accident. And all that sort of trauma was never really dealt with. And growing up as a young man, I experienced a rupture, a breaking in the relationship between myself and my family. And over the course of my life, I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. And over the course of my life, I've been through a lot. And over the course of my life, I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. And over the course of over the course of my life, I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been over the course of my life, I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot. I've been i wanted to to connect i wanted to feel a love but i couldn't get close to the people that loved me and the people that i loved there was this town and in its place i saw off-worldly comfort and primarily that being in the subject of ufology which really seduced me which really fascinated me it's almost like i wanted it to rescue me see the the challenge is with all of humanity we live in a traumatic world and people christians are looking for the rapture and i get that but we need to deal with the rapture first where the trauma comes which is a wound somewhere in scripture it says by his wound we are healed there's no we're all waiting for this many people are waiting to be rescued but christ has come and the more we walk with him the more we we understand his love the more we access what is available to us now in my journey when i was young i think i was about eight years old i was sitting at a table with my close friends i remember them all enzo asif mustafa colin sam and we were all talking about a second noah's ark coming from the sky to to rescue us now that young age having experienced racism never really fitting in in in the uk or in school and having that traumatic upbringing it soothed me thinking oh okay in order to be rescued i need to be good in order for my friends to come on board we need to be good and from there on things would in the future escalate now what does that look like well i went to secondary school things did not improve they didn't get better i had a lot of bullying i had more racism i had more confusion and low self-esteem and one day in let me see i must have been about 13 there was a couple of teenagers that came into the classroom after having come home or come to school from lunch and they were excited because they've done the week they did the ouija oh wow and they had gleaned they had gathered a crowd together of young people and they were sharing their story of what they had seen now you could you could feel this tangible presence in the classroom as they shared uh the things that they'd seen the things that they heard it was kind of eerie i remember one young girl at the front whose name was felicia
7:57 she said i want nothing to do with that but me having this uh this fascination when i was young to to want to learn about ufology and thereof i asked the two students james and perry i said james perry next time you do this could you ... please ask them a question and the question was do aliens really exist from there on i opened the door i'll pause it there if you have more questions but if the story does the plot does later on that's that's a really fascinating question not only for just because just because it's it's interesting but be also because of the deception that could follow behind it i'm very interested not necessarily to know their answer because anything that comes from them could could lead to all kinds of stuff but i am i'm fascinated by by how your story progressed please keep going so from a young age having wanting to feel soothed to to have a connection i must go back it i must go back a bit so i brought up a catholic my mother she would take me to to catholic church she'd take my younger brothers she also bought me one of these giant colorful bibles the children's first color bible i remember at the picture of samson pulling down on the pictures it had the picture of jesus walking on water you know these were fascinating stories there there was a mix there i did believe as a young child but because of this tear because of this trauma because of some of the stuff that had happened to me when i was young it kind of confused me a bit now jumping forward from secondary school where i asked james and harry next time you do the ouija board could you ask them a question and they said yes we will of course this stuff is deceptive it's it's lies you know people with an open mind will often let in the wrong things and as a young child i continue to to let in the wrong things now i left secondary school i was a postman for a brief while or a postal cadet a messenger delivering letters my local area and after a year i went to work in london i became a a lloyds messenger now lloyds is one of the biggest insurers not the biggest insurer in the world they insure space shuttles the queen's jewels they insure they insured michael jackson they insure all manner of uh of things and people but i was a lloyds messenger and i would deliver letters i would deliver money throughout all the great banks of uh london and i would be driven in a black cab i was dressed up suited and booted i looked apart i was a handsome young man now that i look back in the photos but back then i didn't really believe that i was because i still carried the scars that i hadn't that hadn't been dealt with so after five years of being a lloyd messenger i entered into a relationship uh me and the family and that's what made me a tricep pepper my then partner we had a son and my firm moved from the east end of london into the area of docklands and if you've heard of it and it's near canary wharf where the triangle building flashes with its beacon and the surroundings were not big enough for accommodating for four postal messengers it would only be enough for two so i could see redundancy looming now one day i picked up the paper and as you do i read a story about a man had placed the bet that in scotland elvis would
12:35 be found alive having crashed a spaceship on the loch ness monster oh man he's got every single story in the book there huh i know it was hilarious and i shared the story with my work colleagues and we all laughed but then the inner child within me sprouted the wrong sort of crop circle and i envisioned hey why doesn't somebody do like an abduction insurance does such a thing exist who knows and i i put pen to paper with my knowledge of uh insurance or the little knowledge that i had reading the documents when we opened the mail and i crafted a certificate which said the world's first certificate of it against being abducted by aliens i went to the managing director with the proposal i said look i've got this great idea it will give you great publicity and um what would you you know would you be interested he said no now i was very familiar with the subject obviously growing up studied uh some of the phenomena the backstories so it was an interesting way for me to promote the subject i'd become an agent i'd become uh one of the people that promote this nonsense or was it nonsense well the plot thickens after creating a certificate i couldn't find a car i couldn't find anyone who was interested in giving me the the connections that i needed so i went to lad brooks betting shop i if they have a lad brooks out there in the usa but it's a bookie the betting shop and i asked them what odds would you give me for giving you a evidence of extraterrestrial beings or or or whatever yeah and they said well we have something for you we have odds at 240 to 1 if the united nations or the uk prime minister confirm the existence of aliens then we will pay you money out, I bought the slip and in my mind I kind of figured I had the cover that I needed.
15:22 Should I ever make a plane? And then I began to promote the certificate. I picked up the phone, phoned up my local newspaper, I told them the story. A couple of days later they made it front page of North London with the article entitled, UF Boat Policies Go On Sale. Now you can imagine that the media interest really took off after that, and it did. Now I had promoted the certificate in the post. I had published it in the New York Times and Paranormal Magazine and a back column of the I think it was the New York Inquirer. I can't remember one of these US papers. So you kind of worked this from the back end and brought it front show because at first I was thinking, how in the world are you going to convince your higher-ups to do this without anyone coming forward with all this stuff? Well, you explained that.
16:38 And how are you going to show the statistics that there is this amount of people that are willing to buy this insurance? Number two, and that's really fascinating. And so what you did, you went from the back end and said, you know what? I'm going to go into the papers and show that this is available. And then people will start talking about it and then maybe it'll become front and center. Very interesting. Keep going, I'm curious how this is going. So I would tell the paper and the radio and the TV, look, there's a over two million people in the USA that claim that they have been abducted or had some kind of experience so um unbeknown to me at the same time that this was released um Independence Day had come out in the UK that film with uh Will Will Slapsmith and um it's it kind of it kind of generated more publicity now this is where things start to get weird now bear in mind that the inner child within me that question that I'd asked at secondary school that comfort that I saw at primary school that trauma that had never been dealt with almost send a beacon out you know like a calling card now when it made front page and when it went on the radio I had some phone calls from members of the public who invited me to to meet with them and I met with some people from Wolfham Abbey an area in Essex and I met these old ladies and they shared their story they invited me to their house and they shared their stories of what happened in Swindon Wiltshire in 1960 and they told me that this silver saucer had landed in their area that there was a hum that no one was scared hundreds of people were witnessing it and all the dogs had been completely uh silent up until this thing landed and there was a whistling sound and then a dog chased it and it shot up in the air anyway blah blah blah to me that was a jigsaw piece in my quest I thought this is amazing I've never encountered I've never witnessed somebody or met anyone who had seen this and from there the jigsaw pieces began together I met more people more people and it just fed me and fed me into the the quest that I had like a few months later I met an insurance Maverick a very famous person who was doing insurance on mad cow disease put it that way okay and we got together and I'm creative always have been still am but back then my creativity was misaligned to promote in the words of Saint Paul scuba lon and we got together and he said to me right let's join forces let's make this story go big because I want the publicity and you want to sell the certificate yeah fine no problem and within a couple of phone calls we'd gone to routers and we'd syndicated the the story where a Joseph T Carpenter has taken out a policy just in case he is uh taken away by aliens now Joseph T Carpenter was a an investigator somebody who knew the subject somebody who who goes out on sky searches with friends and he was interviewed because the me the media love a good story why would anyone take out a policy against being abducted by aliens was Joseph T Carpenter was he a real a real person Joseph T Carpenter was a pseudonym he
21:24 was a real person it was also a person interviewed for taking out poltergeist insurance and and the media came to interview carpenter why did you take out insurance against poltergeist and carpenter would explain that he had seen ghosts that he was a person who also went out on uh ghosts hunts and he's also taken out alien abduction insurance now what the world didn't know was that carpenter was me gotcha okay and carpenter was in fact dante who had created the uh the policy to begin with but listen when you start lying when you start inviting these things in that's just bad company so going back to carpenter who was uh interviewed as the way we take the policy out he explained that as an investigator as a ufo hunter uh should he ever be abducted it would be a great payout at the same time i'm meeting carpenter is meeting all these journalists other people that have had experiences and it's feeding into the story of my childhood you know giving me more gt pieces and they're telling you all about their experiences with this uh this this um supernatural demonic activity well i became essentially the world's first paranormal insurance investigator so they're telling me all their stories now what i forgot to mention is that my granddad from his post-traumatic um incidences in the war he was a prisoner in russia he was allegedly taught by someone in his village to to make things levitate in his house you know he had some occultic background wow but he gave his life to christ in 1998 praise god so when he passed away on christmas you know he opened his eyes but um so yeah going back to these people sharing their stories it was um frightening but at the same time i felt this conviction i remember felicia the girl at secondary school and said i want to know what's going on with you and i said well i'm not going to nothing to do with this this is wrong and also being brought up catholic there was this faith that i had but it was convoluted with this nonsense that i'd open the door to now carpenter shared his story about taking out insurance now meanwhile i continued to work with the insurance maverick we made vampire insurance werewolf insurance we went on to we were asked well what would you do if someone claimed they were a werewolf and i said well we will place them in a cage when there's a full moon and have silver bullets on standby and with their permission we would shoot them now you know these were these were some of the jokes that we were this is a divinity here but um you know things got a little bit darker along the way along the way meeting more journalists i met a demon-possessed uh photographer stroke journalist who shared his stories of having seen things in mexico having explored all the phenomena that he um that he and his friends had videoed concerning lights in the sky ufos they weren't called uaps then and for me that was absolutely fascinating even even promised to hire me as a photographer as this side project now and i'm jumping it's a cool free association i probably need to slow down this is fascinating no it's really interesting by that time i had been made redundant um by the time carpenter had come a lot before carpenter had come along i've been made redundant as predicted prophesied oh i forgot to mention something now when i made the certificate i commissioned an artist professional oil artist to paint me two canvases one was a canvas of a picture of a uh
26:21 the gray alien that ugly thing that reptilian thing that piece of crud right metamorphosizing into a human wow and that was an oil painting number one and that was called metamorphosis In the second picture, I asked the artist to paint a picture of a Kurt Cobain looking man being lifted up by a beam of light into the sky. Okay, just the tip of the sword. And then the oil painting came back. The metamorphosis, you can see the gray in three stages four stages turn into a man, and the second picture, look like Jesus. You know that kind of hands being lifted up an ascension type looking picture, even foolishly in the future went to promote it as a second time in a price in occasional interviews.
27:31 When I said well you never know Jesus might come in a spaceship. What a silly person I was. And so that was then. So now, jumping forward I've been made redundant, and my father and got me a job on night shift. I was making lights in the night for General Electric. And that was a place where the humbling would begin but meanwhile, the story the divine comedy. Or did. Harris. See, find delusion. Continue with Carpenter, who had taken out the insurance, along with my Maverick insurance, friend. We decided to take things a step further. So we were invited to a studio in Northampton.
28:27 And in the studio, we were, I was to be interviewed or Carpenter was. Why did you take out insurance against alien abduction. But by this time, I was bored. Yes, I've gleaned information. Yes, I'd interviewed people. When I wasn't carpenter. But now Carpenter decided to liven the stakes up and say, not only had he been abducted by, by a triangle. Star shaped object. But it was witnessed by free friends. And it was video. A call on video. Me being lifted up or carpenter being lifted up.
29:14 And on that. In the craft. Was a giant greenhouse. Now bear in mind this story. I've never shared this before that particular story of being in this greenhouse with vegetation. For hundreds of miles around. In this dome like. Structure was something that had been given to me by one of the. People I'd interviewed when they wanted a policy. So for me, it just ingrained itself in my mind. And I blended in with it in with the story of carpenter. Now, when carpenter was on this. This triangle style. Object. A gray approached him. And he had a camera. Lapel. Which was able to film this creature. And the creature spoke to him telepathically.
30:05 Carpenter lashed out. And. In lashing out. He was able to get a close and DNA from the creature. And then he ascended back down again. Now, apparently. When he came down again. Two hours of time had passed. And only 15 minutes of footage. Or 15. Minutes of earth time had. Had. Taken place. And that story. Was released in a studio in Northampton. My goodness. May. Hell broke loose. You can. Bear in mind that the insurance Maverick said. We have in our possession. DNA evidence. That's to be sold to NASA.
30:52 In the hybrid. And we're looking at this. And it's a case that. Is. Very. Strong. You know, stuff like that. I can't remember the. The narrative. We use. But. And so this was a. This was a story that was made up. By, by, by you. Or this is something that you heard. Well. Carpenter made the story up. Bear in mind. Me. Dante. Joe Dante. Had been the insurance investigator. Blending these stories together. All of a sudden. To. To tell the story. And. To tell the story. And. To tell the story. To tell the story. To tell the story. And to tell the story. To tell the story. And to tell the story. And to tell the story. And to tell the story. But. To take the joke. Further. Regarding the.
31:37 Insurance. Policy. We may affect. Yeah. Made it. And it made the front page of. The new York. Journal of commerce. It made the front. It made. Christmas day TV news on sky. Wow. Just basically said. Insurance. Magnet has paid out. Policy. He's a policyholder based on evidence and he's been given a million pound check, which is to be presented by Gillian Anderson of the X-Files theme. I remember Gillian Anderson on NBC was interviewed by Jay Leno and said, apparently you're supposed to be giving a million pound check to an abductee. And she says, they have that now? Apparently I am, but my agent hasn't told me. Now, this week, I'm hanging out with a demon possessed journalist who is telling me stories, introducing me to the world of the media, introducing me to backstage passes at festivals, at Glastonbury, meeting and photographing people like Prodigy, Placebo, yada yada yada.
32:52 Now, at that time, Carpenter, who was alleged to have been abducted, was still given a million pound check. He was given lots of interviews. A journalist comes to interview Carpenter, and this journalist is called Tim Leach, who used to be a BBC World correspondent. And he'd been to places like, I think it was Iraq, Iran, I'm not quite sure when. But he then began to share a story with me that in 1994 or 96, I can't remember. He went to a school. He went to a school in Zimbabwe, and he'd interviewed over 150 children who had seen this, and they had interaction with these greys. Now, when he shared that story, he said it was a story that terrified him, regardless of his travels throughout the world in seeing war.
33:50 This story scared him the most. Now, this story absolutely convinced me, convicted me. And also connected with me of my own inner child exploring, wanting to be saved by space studies, wanting to be comforted. Now, to me, that was another jigsaw piece. Absolutely fascinating. And hang on, children, 150 of them had seen this silver craft land, and they had interaction with these telepathic beings. To me, it was like, wow, I have found what I'm looking for. Boom, boom, boom. Wow. So tell me, before you continue, tell me a little bit more about that. You said he was a demon-possessed journalist. How did you know he was demon-possessed? Okay, going back to, not Tim Leach, not Tim Leach, not him.
34:45 There was another guy who took me to the festivals. I would just call him Al. How did I know he was demon-possessed? Because he was telling me stories of incubators. And how he had interaction with spirits of a libido way, let's put it that way. And even when I heard those stories, I thought, yuck. Yeah. So he had interaction with this dark side that you hadn't heard of before, or you had been talking about, but hadn't had the actual experiences he had had. In other words. No, I was not familiar with the terms incubus and succubus. They're needs of spirits that visit people and seduce them in the night. Nevertheless, these things, no doubt, are transferable and spirits can jump, you know.
35:47 Flies will not land on a hot plate. And I was not hot for Christ's sake. Yeah. So that was that world. And then. Shortly after I met another journalist, Tim Leach, who I just mentioned, I'm not saying he was possessed, but his story was one that he was, he was an atheist, but yet the story of what happened is the Barbara Rua in this Christian school of all places. How dare they land in this Christian school? That is outraged me, but I'll get to that later. And. It just. The man is. What I had been looking for in my quest for the subject, the knowledge, you know, they're going to rescue us, they're going to, they're warning us about the future, then that escalated into being invited in onto a show called the Maurizio Constanzo show in Rome, which was the equivalent of the Oprah Winfrey show. Big show, massive show. Didn't happen. The show from the movie. And that was on. Charlie. So carpenter that was I, and my friend. We're invited to appear on this show in Rome to tell carpenter.
37:17 The story about. I'm the DNA evidence, the camera evidence being played out a million. They invited me over. I was put on the show. There. A soldier who told me his story. He was like, wow, every. it was feeding into the thing that as a child i'd wanted to you know to to find answers to and on that show i publicly declared to all of italy the story we pretty much convinced the whole audience that uh we had evidence we've sold it to nasa that there was a bidding war between scientists and at the same time just remembered there was um a guy from canada a scientist from canada who phoned me he was a researcher and he was begging to see the evidence he would give me whatever money just to see evidence because he was uh studying um adoption you know and when he pleaded with me all that did was fed into my own curiosity as to what these things were and I asked him what is it that you found before I invite you over to meet Carpenter what is it you found and he said well we found an implant you know there's many research as a researcher this topic is something that has evidence-based but I at that point just told him the truth look we fabricated this this isn't true and he wouldn't take no for an answer he would not take no for an answer and then I asked him a question I said look is it true that because many of the people that I had interviewed had said to me oh we are waiting for the great disclosure we are waiting for the great um unraveling and the governments of the world to release the information yada yada yada and I said well be that as it may what news have you got for me and he said you've got I said is it true that they're coming he said you need to live the life that you need to live you know there was some seriousness behind him but upon reflection now that's another person who seems to have swallowed a lie well we get to that later so jumping back to Italy I'm in Rome I'm drinking the best Chianti I'm eating the best venison and I'm telling the best story ever known to mankind as regards to alien evidence and the world his brother and his mother are lapping it up and meanwhile I've become an embarrassment to my own family and by this time with my involvement with demon possessed наглушки with demon possession and Diya Menis' and and the story that was brought on to me byoya uh Penelope , one of the上学生 who came from Sweden from το система Look that was my gauche from qua號 by mata ebit Beni ebi et al.
40:23 journalists dodgy affiliates um bad company corrupts i can't remember the rest of that saying the bad company corrupts right yeah yeah um bear in mind i was in a relationship we had we had a son together and then things really went bad i remember it was 1997 and after a year and a half of being involved in this promotion of deceit in this promotion of darkness and interacting i met vampires on this on the set of the of the tv show called the wife files um not literal vampires but people that sharpen their teeth and drank one another's blood you know called vampire one you know it's just a weird world out there now with my associate with my association with all these esoteric um entities and and and communication i was in a bad place now i remember 1997 my mom my dad they said look you've got to get your son christened get your son christened he's not christian all right i'll get him christened okay we took him to a church of england um church now in north london the particular area that i grew up in i'm not going to mention it's quite famous for wrong things one it had the green street poltergeist the most famous poltergeist in all the world three three poltergeists two boris karloff grew up there who later became frankenstein and then free you had carpenter who was the alien abductee so we go to the church of england to christen our son and there was a uh i believe he was a ghanaian priest and he said do you repeat this prayer after us christian and then they'd come back to him and he'd come back to them and he'd come back to them and he'd say vayne you have to get that was what the priest does that's what they did and so after me and it was do you renounce the works of satan i renounce the works of satan do you renounce darkness and all esoteric ways i think yes i renounce darkness and i renounce all his works and i renounce do you accept the lord jesus christ to to look after you to guide you and to look after your son i'm paraphrasing but i said yes i do i do renounce the works of satan and i do give my son to jesus christ born of a virgin born of mary come from heaven to earth yada yada yada and i remember meaning it absolutely meaning it and then we were you know they christened my son my son two years two years old we went home a week later we were watching my partner and i were watching forrest gump and i'd seen we'd seen forrest gump before at the cinema and there was a scene where forrest had discovered that he had a son and his partner had gone away and i was just i just began to cry and i never cried because i'm a hard i was hard then and then my girlfriend at the time time said oh you're crying and I said get away I don't love you anymore that was the end of our relationship pretty much 40 days after renouncing Christ and committing my son to the Lord 40 days later we split company and it was the best thing that could have happened for her and my son because I was not a good dude I was not I was lost I was in darkness and at the same time I began working night shift making wrestling lamps and when she left I remember going to night shift and then
45:08 coming back home in a day and there was a house with the scent of perfume and there was toys around but my family had gone it devastated me it broke me it sickened me in the living room was the picture of the ascended Kurt Cobain broke Christ being lifted up in the middle of the mantelpiece there was posters there were certificates all around there were videos newspaper clippings what the hell had I spent my life on thousands of pounds on nonsense neglecting my family promoting promoting crap promoting nonsense delusion deception you know trauma seeks comfort trauma seeks comfort and trauma sought the wrong thing and then my mum came around we took a walk and we went to the hospital and we went to the hospital couldn't find the needles couldn't find her shoes couldn't find the key there were 20,000 pieces in the eu barbarians Mother's Day so we we took all the belongings we took all the paraphernalia thousands of pounds we went in the garden and we burned it and those pictures you could hear them scream it could be the linseed oil but it was symbolic of a scream but these things seemed out there when we burned them let's say I think only 90% of those photos in those photos were from time to time when the people close to me were getting up from their cars where we go love canteens, sights you know I mean that's him when he's so Khalifa was a white man was sleeping to him right now we don't know how old the gone that was when we went up into the garden people which 120 dannos were spreadingför the money and I forgot the evetuh i feelings oh god the através of the cops I said, God, forgive me for everything that I've done. I had flashbacks going back to many, many years of the things I've done wrong.
47:04 I said, Father, forgive me. Forgive me. If you're out there, please, Christ Jesus, please. I've done wrong. Look what my family have done. Jesus. I said that prayer. And I went out to have a cigarette in the smoking room. So I went to have a cigarette in the smoking room. And as I entered, my colleagues, also on the night shift, were speaking about Jesus. And I found it odd because I'd just been praying to Jesus. And these guys are talking about him. And all I heard was this black man in the corner. And they were saying, oh, it was the Romans that killed Jesus. And then another guy said, no, it was the Jews. And then this black man who had not seen before, he was a temporary worker, he'd just come in for the evening. Or the night. And he said, no, you killed him.
48:00 We killed him. We killed Jesus. And they began to swear and cuss and shout. And then they all walked out one by one. Until this guy called Stephen, who I would later name Legion, for obvious reasons I won't go into, said, who do you say Jesus is, Joe? And I said, nothing. Until it was me. And this black man in the corner. And as this black man went to walk out, I grabbed his arm and I said, I need your help. Everything that you just said now, I want to know because I'm going through hell. His name was Emmanuel. God with us. He was from Ghana, a training pastor. And he began to speak into my life. And then he began to speak to me about this Jesus. And throughout that, those two days, I was stuck to him like glue as he spoke about Christ.
48:58 Christ forgives and Christ loves and Christ is alive. And one particular night, as he spoke, I felt this power fall upon me from head to toe. And it was like, I got it. I understood. I felt like a baby chick hatching out the egg. I'm like, mama, papa, Jesus, I found you. And if no one else believes in you, I do because I get it. I had an encounter with the living Christ. It's just just whatever terminology you want to use. Yeah, I've got the terminology now, but I didn't have it then. I just felt love just just land from head to toe. It was beautiful. So that was my encounter with Christ. I went. I went to church with Emmanuel for six months.
49:49 I thought I was the only. I was the only white guy in the black church. I was the only charismatic there. But it was beautiful. And that was back in 98. I wish I could tell you that life gets easier. But the bird, sorry, the bee will sting and the dog will bite. Yes. Everything was going fine. You know, I would go to church. I joined an alien church over the course of time. I wrote dramas. I did ministry. I used to preach. I used to teach. I used to do Sunday school. I did many, many things. And I was grateful for the opportunity. I used to go to New Age events and wizards and all those that did tarot.
50:48 I used to give them the gospel. And just as I was kicked out of this event, a man walks to the door. And he looks disturbed. He's looking left and right, up and down. I said, what are you looking for? He said, can you help me? I said, yeah, of course I can. Let's go for a little walk. There's a bar over there because it was in a hotel. And the hotel had a bar. I said, sit down. What's the problem? He said, you won't believe this, but these greys, these aliens are fooling me. I said, okay. He pulled out his phone. And he showed me these orbs. These orbs that he'd taken pictures of. I said, yeah, okay. Big deal. Well, you've come to the right place. Let me tell you about Jesus.
51:38 Wow. And I told him, Christ crucified, Christ resurrected, Christ ascended, Christ coming back, and how he wants to set him free. I prayed for this man. I laid hands on him. And there was this wrestling. For 20 minutes. And he says, this triangle-headed creature he could see. I said, don't worry about that. There's angels here in Jesus' name. There's a legion of angels. You don't have to worry about nothing. And he felt the presence of God upon him. He said a prayer. Led him into the standard prayer. Jesus accepted and so on. And he said, what's your name? I said, my name's Joe. He says, all day, an angel said to me, you need to go to that place.
52:32 You will meet a man called Joe. So he comes to the right place then. Wow. Wow. Wow. And so you met this guy where? I met him at a New Age event as I was kicked out. He'd gone there to seek help. And no doubt, they would have just fortified his, his encounters, and they would have made light of it or embedded it in the narrative of his own trauma. But Jesus had other plans. And the timetable to coincide, coincidence, was that we'd meet and he'd know the truth. And the truth would set him free. I didn't pay any attention to what was on his phone, the photos.
53:26 I didn't entertain the, you know, the fact that he was being pestered by spirits or demons. No, I ain't got time for that. The name of Jesus is the name above all names. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, for the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, so push off whatever you are. And it, you know, so that's, that's what I used to do. Wow. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. And so, and so from then on out, you've, you're, your focus was leading people more to Christ and getting them away from this, this deception, which you were involved in at one time. Well, the world to one degree or another is, is under one mass deception. We only have to look at the, the current state of affairs that we are in now with, with pandemics and plandemics.
54:25 And, you know, I won't say where, but recently 17 million people got, got locked away in the name of a flu, but yeah, I want to see Christ wants to see people set free from delusion from deception, you know? And, and another thing I want to share, right. I mentioned this at the beginning, right now, many, many of us, many Christians, whatever one's belief of pre, mid, post, I ain't got clue. Okay. About. The rapture. Now I've got a question for you, Brad, and many other believers out there. When was the first rapture? For, for, for humans. You mean when Christ was taken up or when he took up a select few of, that came out of the grave? No, I'm talking about the law of first mention.
55:27 When. Oh, Enoch. Enoch. Okay. You're very close. You're very close. I thought it was Enoch at the beginning. I said, and Enoch walked with God and was not for God took him. The words for Enoch took. God took his. Laquack in Hebrew. I know it sounds funny, but you can look it up. L-A-Q-U-A-C-H. Laquack. So God. Laquack. God took. God. Rapture. Enoch. I love this bit. I'm like, they've missed this. The first rapture. You can look it up. It was the rib of Adam. God took. God Laquack. The rib of Adam. And shaped it and formed it.
56:18 Into. Into E. Now, the reason I mention that is. We speak about. Escape. And we speak about soothing. I get that we as Christians, as believers want to be. Um, Rescued and the coming of the Lord is coming back. Absolutely. Get that. But before the rapture. There needs to be the healing of the rapture, the, the, the, the rapture. How do I spell that? Uh, R-U-P-T-U-R-E. I'm a therapist now. I'm a counselor. There needs to be a healing. There's no point waiting. Jesus, take me now. There's somewhere in the book of Romans, the earth eagerly awaits for the sons of God to be revealed. Why? The earth was subjected to frustration in the hope that the sons of God would be, would be revealed.
57:10 Why? So that we would know who we are. So that we would walk, that we would command the storms to be still, that we would hush the waters, that we would say to deception, get lost, that we would open the eyes of the blind. I mean, it's not just a physical thing that we would, we would stop people being in delusion. Mm-hmm. They're under a mass delusion now, whether it be UFOs, UAPs. Whether it be any form of ism that you want to take your pick of in beautiful Asia. So yeah, I want to see people wake up. I want to see people come to know Christ. Just like Paul. Paul says the mystery revealed and kept for thousands of years is Christ in you, the hope of glory or God's glory. Wow. You know?
58:00 That's what I want to see people to wake up. It really upsets me and vexed me makes me want to cry. Sometimes when I see the things that I see in a particular area in a particular location, you know, it saddens me. I want people to wake up. Sometimes I ask how we going to do it. I can't do it on my own. I've been hit left, right and center. Going back to that new age has been after going out for gung-ho. It took its weight. The bird as the bee will sting the dog will bite later. I had cancer. Then my mom passed the passed away with cancer when you know, but by his wound by his trauma, we are healed. God sent me to uni to become a therapist and I can see that there's a lot of crossover between counseling and my understanding of Christ because when I went to university, I was reluctant.
59:02 Hence is a book. I'm writing called the reluctant counselor. It's a bit delayed at the moment, but that's fine. God's got other ideas. But the reason I was reluctant is because I thought I thought I knew it all meaning. Well Christ is the answer. Of course. He is. Yes, he is the answer. I get that but it's about relationship because it was people that wounded me. It was people that wounded us. Sometimes even the church will wound us. But it will be people that heal us. It will be through people that heal us the Ecclesia through the body through that Rapture through that rib through that as the Rapture Christ revealed isn't just yeah, he's coming back. But it's also Christ revealed coming back in us through us.
59:49 Yes, I'm getting because I want this whole nation to hear it. We have to be healed. Heal us. I mean, yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's it's not just all about the physical of the coming back of Christ, but it's about him fixing our life mentally. Also, not just the physical. Absolutely. It's a whole holistic approach from head to toe, you know by a strike. We are healed and Suso salvation, you know, because we briefly spoke about angels earlier. I think the book of Hebrews. It says I know angels ministering spirit sent to those who are to receive salvation. So it's kind of I know angels ministering spirit sent to those who are to receive healing to receive an awakening of the knowledge of Christ.
1:00:45 It's not given to angels to deliver the message. Although it could be argued in the end times. It will be so bad that angels will do it, but I'm not going to deviate this meant for us to deliver the message of good news about Christ. And going back to that healing is available mentally physically emotionally through the knowledge of Christ. And sometimes oftentimes it comes through communion communication through fellowship. Even through those who are not yet in the knowledge of Christ. Yes. I mean the clothes me. Well, non-believer made it maybe. We eat not believe it made it. It nourishes us and sometimes we will need a therapist. We will need a counselor. We will need people with a heart of love that then point to Christ. When I went to uni.
1:01:41 People got healed. They said to me, are you a conduit? I said, what's a conduit? This technology. This is Jesus. No, no, leave me alone. I put the spotlight on me. I didn't do a thing. I didn't heal his knee. That lady over there. Couldn't conceive. And now she can. Is that twins? That was Jesus. You healed her now stuff like that. Wow. And there was something that happened at University that people could see that the Holy Spirit had landed. Now going back to that question about delusion. I get it. I get that. People want to be rescued. I get that. People want attachment. But the image of God is. And I can't even say the words better. Help me out.
1:02:31 Bread anthroponic. Yeah, the image of God is is man. Okay. It ain't some some ugly looking lizards thing. You know that that is not the image of God whether that be a fallen angel or a snake wherever it ain't got time for that. Don't even want to entertain me. Don't put your mind now. Don't study that nonsense. It's a distraction. And today. Yeah, I'm talking about my testimony. The OPU. The mythology of the other. Yeah. But we're distracted by many other things people with trauma people with wounds. They go to alcohol. They go to drugs. They get sex. They go to gambling. They go to whatever whatever whatever and I get that because pain seeks comfort. I get that or it's a familiarity. That's what you grew up in.
1:03:23 That's what you you're seeking that that comfort. And there should be no judgment there. But even in the darkness, I think somewhere in Isaiah or Jeremiah, there is treasure in the darkness. Treasure in the darkness. So when people are lost or trapped and I'm speaking to someone watching right now, you know who you are. You might feel that you're totally lost and totally totally in the darkness and there's nothing for you that anyone can do. You've been to church. You've been here. You've been there and you've been through that legalistic. Entrepreneurship. But let me tell you saying Christ hasn't got you. You stay in the darkness with your he loves you. He bled for you. You're one. I am in the Father and the Father is in me, you know, ain't no one going to snatch up. You know who you are. You might think you're really deceived. All right, I get that. But you know what?
1:04:18 Your destiny is to know to know that God isn't far out in the universe with his answer machine on his day. in you with you walking with you never going to give up on you i just want people to know that there is uh there is holy spirit yeah and if you walk with god god will take you places i have much to say but i hope that you know people will see that the mystery of christ revealed the hope of god's god's glory god's hope is that we're never separated from him in the sense that you know you might have messed up you still gotcha just like with me when i was young the stuff that happened to me god said you know what i've gotcha i was with you yeah you made a mess but your life's now a message wow your life may be a mess but you're not a mess but now your life's a message i like that i like that a lot i was um teaching some students the other day of jesus when he fell asleep on the boat and these seasoned fishermen had seen it all storms highways and they were scared because these storms and waves were really kicking off but jesus was asleep and they were traumatized for a moment they woke care going to drown you know they were looking up at the storm of the lights of the thunder he woke up and he says shush to the waves the greek and be muzzled to the storm and then he said where's your face meaning and let me just go back into italian here hey what are you waking me up before you could have dealt with this yourself you've been with me all this time you saw the way i speak you saw the way i command you can hush the waves you can tell the storm to be still and sometimes just like when moses approached the ocean or the red sea and the people were moaning moses was going to have a picnic like okay god uh it's what we're going to do god and god said to him i'm paraphrasing what are you calling out to me for have i not told you i'm going to have a picnic i'm going to have a picnic i'm going to have a picnic i'm going to have a picnic i'm going to have a picnic you're not going to have a picnic the same rod that when you threw it down turned into a snake and swallowed up the uh pharaoh's demon worshippers snakes and incidentally when aaron threw his rod down you know it didn't turn into a snake it turned into a dragon but that's another side story you can look at that at the hebrew but my point is we can command the waves and the winds and the storms and we can command angels and jesus said we could but i'm not gonna go into that to be released ministering angels to those who are to receive salvation and my god does this nation need it can't do it on our own 70 million people locked up in the people's republic of stockholm syndrome gee whiz dude i love you man absolutely love you too buddy man that's amazing that's amazing well i'm so glad you you have shared your testimony and what god has brought you through and clearly he is working in your life just as he working in everyone else's life too and i'm so glad to hear that you you came through this in finding the truth and uh and you are sharing the truth with so many other people and through not only this podcast but through uh through your life as well that's fantastic and thank you thank you again for being on the show thank you bro appreciate it bro you're welcome