0:00 Since then, I have had many communications from people now living in heaven, including my children, Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson. Joshua Jackson was an adult spirit, and he was very, very tall when he put his arm around me. He is busy. He is engaged. He has jobs that he does there, and he is happy where he is. His life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him every minute of his life. Andrew, you have a very interesting court case. I think this is fascinating because it's something that has paralleled something that goes right along with this channel's content and also talks about, well, it actually parallels another court case from the 80s, right? The Halstead case, which was from Chris Lang's documentary, Beware of Angels. This happened recently. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
1:37 Absolutely. For a quick summary of the case, for people that are totally unaware of it, this was a double, sorry, this is a double confirmed for, if you include the two that are kind of not legally confirmed as murder, case that happened in East Idaho in September 2019. Idaho. Okay, so Idaho. Do you live near the case? Yes, I live in West Idaho, about three hours away. Okay. That's actually what got me interested in it originally. Yeah. And so this, this happened near you. Why, why is it significant for this, this channel? I think that's, that's the big question. Well, it involves a ton of spiritualism and communication with spirits that are not explainable by, by normal science. Let's get into that case. I'm curious, start us out from the beginning so we can kind of understand and follow what was going on there.
2:41 So from the beginning, we'll have to start out because this case goes back actually 20 years or more for each of the people from today. They both got involved with these spirits years before they ever met each other. And I guess it's just specified that two people committed the murders, Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow. So they met each other and then committed the murders, but they were connected with spirits for years before they ever met each other separately. Okay. From years earlier. And so they, they thought they were speaking to these things. Were they appearing to them or am I jumping too far into the story? Um, yes, all of the above. Okay. All right. Well, this is going to be fascinating. So to start out with Chad's story, there is a slight piece of what Mormons believe that has a slight contribution to this.
3:37 And that is they do believe in the immortality of the soul. And in something, something called personal revelation. Now say what you will about that, but that's a belief that God can directly speak to every one of them through whatever means he sees fit at any time. So kind of chuck it up to what you will. But when Chad was a kid and he brings this out later on in his books, which I'll get to that in a second. But when he was a kid, he was sat down on his granddad, father's lap, and his grandfather told him of an experience he had in the temple where an angel met him and he received a commission from God. And he told the story to Chad, who kind of was very curious about it for a few years. And in, when he was 17, he actually fell from a waterfall and had an out of body experience where he reportedly was separated.
4:40 And from his words, not mine from a spiritual realm or separated from the fiscal realm and could see the spirit realm and was seeing spirits flying around him dead and alive and unborn. And he said that from that day forward, he essentially could see into the spiritual realm and communicate with these beings. And that's really fascinating. But who is Chad? Is he the one that committed the murders? So, as far as we can tell, he's the one that actually physically murdered all the people involved, except for one of them. And that's one of the two that's kind of questionable. That was Lori's ex-husband. But that was involving her brother. And we'll get to that down the line. This is a big story. Yeah. And so what I want to challenge the viewers to think about while they're listening to this is, who are they actually hearing?
5:35 Are they, if they're saying they're actually hearing their dead loved ones, or they're actually hearing angels, or they're actually hearing some kind of spiritual realm since they fell off this thing or from a certain period of time, are they really? And what are the connections in that that show that this is either good or evil? And I think that's a fascinating point that we need to bring out and look into. So, yeah, continue on. This is a fascinating story to say the least. Oh, trust me, it gets more interesting because a couple years later, when he was 20, he had his next, he'd see like spirits and stuff out of the shadows. He brings this out in the book again. But he had his next serious experience when he was 20. He was surfing and he was, he fell into the water. And as he was underwater, he had a experience where he met, he's now at this point, dead grandfather, the same one that gave him the story who supposedly showed him a, I'm being a bit biased there.
6:45 I know, but he was shown a vision of the future of his life by his dead grandfather, including events about his then unborn children. He said very adamantly later on in life when he's books and to friends. And I just thought, and I just think that's, that's interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. So this is, did he go unconscious while he was, I guess, doing this, or I gather this, I gather he was unconscious under the waves. Um, there's not a lot of details as to how exactly it happened, what, how long it went for. Presumably he was underwater and struggling to breathe or something. I'm not exactly sure. I'm just going off the little details. People have pursed out of the books. So that's, that's the backstory. So he's already experiencing all kinds of, uh, spiritualism at this point.
7:40 Absolutely. He is. And after this event, he started having an audible voice in his head that he's described as not like the Holy Spirit of the Bible, where it's a still small voice, like an audible commanding voice telling him what to do, because he was going to call him. He was going to college that fall and the audible voice told him, no, you're not going to do that. And then he ends up leaving school. And after all of these experiences and fascinations, he starts working at a graveyard out of fascination with death. Wow. Okay. So there's some serious thought provoking issues going on here that we have to, I mean, I think anybody with a, a, a spiritualism mindset has to think about, because, uh, I mean, in the Bible, you see people that have been able to talk to the spiritual realm.
8:43 They, they're prophets and things like that. But, but it seems like at least nowadays people primarily communicate through the Bible. And so, uh, not, not people, spiritual realm. I mean, they, and the Holy Spirit impresses you through what you read in the word. And so I guess the Bible says, test the spirits, right? That goes along with what the Bible says. So you have to know your Bible. And, and anyway, long, long story short, I, I think, I think it's fascinating that that's, that's where he's off. That's what I can tell so far. Well, what's the rest of the story? Well, the rest of the story is that from this point on for Chad, before he meets Lori, he actually is directed by the spirits that he meets and the voice in his head, uh, the voice in his head to begin writing out his spiritual visions in the form of fiction books, fiction, religious books.
9:44 And he off the record and on the record says, I didn't fictionalize any of the books I write. I'm not that creative. So he's essentially taking all the visions he's given and he starts writing them out in books and publishing them under a LDS church publisher. And then a couple of years later, he ends up starting his own publishing association to publish his own books. And this is really where a lot of his early visions and his prophetic view that he's given from these spirits are real flushed out in, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That is interesting. Yeah. Continue. I'm, I'm curious about what, what happens and how does this all come to fruition? How does someone that, that thinks they are talking to God end up killing somebody? Well, no, absolutely. So the first step really towards that direction comes when the spirits start teaching him a doctrine of reincarnation.
10:38 So they take, uh, one of the common LDS beliefs of pre-born eternal souls. And essentially they start saying that they can reincarnate. And after four lives, this is very technical. The spirits were specific. Uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, person starts to have some problems all right all right continue all right so the next thing that they reveal to him is that sometimes there are people who are good whose bodies can be taken over by demons and they essentially when the demons take over their body they are killing the person and trapping their soul in purgatory wait a second wait a second exactly this is parallel case i mean it's not just a little bit it's like the exact same scenario because the halsteads were were saying the same thing they were having a bible study let's go over that real quick because that's fascinating the halsteads were having a bible study and they said hey i want to see some angels right what what do you remember out of it uh me from the halstead case they'd asked to see angels and no surprise they show up you invite them in they come um and they slowly over time start seating them with a very similar doctrine of possession by evil spirits um i believe they had a different term for it than chad and laurie were given by the spirits they different labeled same thing um so the big difference here is that they gave them one out the spirits gave uh chad an out one way you could get rid of the spirits without killing the body which i should have specified that was the main way you get them out is you kill the body to release the soul from purgatory because they're already dead and so this is the halstead case or this is the current um the current chad one the halstead case the halstead case you had to kill them to release their souls from purgatory and so this is the current chad one purgatory as well but in chad's case they also i don't know how familiar the viewers are here but you did have an episode a while back of it on deliverance ministry yeah basic deliverance ministry but that was considered the other means that spirits taught them to get an evil spirit out it was actually considered the backup method if they didn't want to do murder if they didn't want to kill the body of the spirit it was considered the backup method if they didn't want to do murder to release the soul and basically the way it worked was depending on how one to four leveled the uh person and the demon that was possessing them were that was whether or not they would try to do a deliverance ministry or just kill them so it's fascinating because these two methods have been mentioned twice now at least and while we've been studying this and i it makes me wonder if this is the and i don't want to go through the whole thing but i think it's a good idea to go too far down the rabbit hole because this could be completely off but it makes me wonder if this is the narrative that the spiritual realm is going to push when this new strange normal or the new age comes about in this in this real life that we live in so i i i'm keeping that in the back of my head and kind of compartmentalizing it and storing it in the back cellar door i guess you could say for for later use but that's really really strange anyway continue on i'm curious about this chad case and what's going on there so really not a lot in his life happens over the years he he got married and he had uh i think he had a couple kids with his wife uh tammy so between really when this revelation of him working at the graveyard all the way to when he meets laurie he gets married to a girl named tammy
15:24 they have a couple kids and he becomes a really popular mormon and the spirits are slowly building out for him an end time revelation as it were of how the world's going to end and so so we've been talking about chad we've been talking about um the halstead case tell us a little bit about laurie because laurie is involved and how is she involved with chad so to start with let's get laurie's connection with these spirits down because hers actually is here to help her with this with the um er it is My sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as tangible as a physical body because I knew I was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she needed to show me some things and we went to heaven. I later returned to my body. Wow. She's saying that under oath, so she really does believe that. Oh, yeah, she does.
17:04 I just want to keynote on the fact that she said that the spirit of her dead sister was tangible as any person in that room. Wow. These are some real deceptions. Now, I think that's fascinating because I'm going to bring this out right now because there might be some people that actually do believe that she actually might have saw her sister from the dead. But the Bible is very clear. I want to show you. I want to show you straight from the Bible what it says. 1 Thessalonians 4.16 says, And so when does man that is dead come back alive again? Well, at the second coming of Christ. But until then, it says after death a person returns to the dust. That's Psalms 104.29. He knows nothing. That's Ecclesiastes 9.5. He possesses no mental powers. That's Psalms 146.4.
18:04 It has nothing to do with anything on earth. That's Ecclesiastes 9.6. He does not live. That's 2 Kings 21. He waits in the grave. Job 17.13. It continues not. Job 14.1. Even it says, and those that believe that, well, maybe it's the soul that continues and the body that dies. Revelation says every living soul died. Ezekiel says, So it really flies in the face to say that, well, your soul is still alive after you die. Because it says that when the soul, those who commit sin, the punishment is death. And if you are still alive floating around somewhere after you die, then that's not, you haven't been, there was no consequences of sin. In fact, and don't let me take away from the rest of the story, but the actual, first lie of the snake was that you will not surely die, he said to Eve in Genesis 3.
19:06 And so we have seen from the very beginning, there's nothing new under the sun. Satan wants to convince people that death is not a legitimate thing. And you don't have to worry about it. Not that we should be worrying about it, but because we are in Christ and that our next idea, our next sight after death will be, So I hate to take away from your story, but I think that's really fascinating that she thinks she saw her dead loved one. No, that's very relevant because that's what convinced her to, in quotes here, go to heaven. That was. And she describes a whole bunch more of experiences here in clip two between that first one and now. And a couple of them she's going to elaborate further on. So there's a couple of them that she will elaborate. Further on in the timeline, so we'll circle back to them when they become relevant again in the story, but she'll, she'll mention them, but she also mentions all the other experiences that she had in brief between really that first one in the hospital and when she, uh, the present day, really in jail.
20:19 So if you want to pull a clip two up. Absolute. Here we go. Because of this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world. Since then, I have had many communications from people now living in heaven, including my children, Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson, my sisters, Stacey and Lolly, my aunts and my uncles and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ, the savior of this world and our heavenly parents. I've had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me. And even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications, I know for a fact that my children are happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with my friend, Tammy Daybell, I know that she is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always mourned the loss of my loved ones. And I have lost.
21:30 Many in this mortal world, however, I know that more than most people, I know where they are now and what they're doing. I know how wonderful heaven is, and I'm homesick for it every single day. Man. Imagine being in a court case and being so sincere and trying to convince someone of that. I, I, so what brought her to this court case? I mean, how did this whole thing get started? Cause that's fascinating that she's telling all this story in tears. Yeah. In tears, trying to convince people of something that is spiritual that's happened to her, but why, what's going on here? All right. So here's where things actually kick off the Lancer in court. So at some point around 20, the mid 2010s, we don't have an exact date. She actually started reading Chad's books and in 2017, they both went to an event called preparing a people.
22:27 It was a prepper event and they met each other. And Chad was told by the spirits that Laurie was actually possessed by a demon. And he already had a small following of people and they did it deliverance on her deliverance, ministry style standard. And after this, he started getting revelations of their previous connection in previous lives that they had been married in. And he started getting revelations of their previous connection in previous lives that they had been married in. And he started getting revelations of their previous connection in previous lives that they had been married in. Five times. And that they had both been reincarnated 31 and 21, I believe times respectively. And we're both solidly for good. On the good evil scale. I told you about a little while back.
23:19 Okay. There's a lot to go back there. I know. Wow. And so he told her all these things and she believed him because of the books that he has written. I mean, how, how does, how does that happen? How do you just believe someone? She said, I'm not gonna let you know. She must have either been madly in love with him or truly believed he was a spiritual leader of some kind in the Mormon church. I guess. They're both Mormon. I'm not sure. So there's a couple. The details are kind of foggy here. But from these accounts and more that's not in the video testimony here, she was visited by the angel Moroni. So for anyone that's LZS that's listening, she was visited by the angel Moroni several times. And at some point, Chad and her were convinced that Chad, and this is really grainy here. I'm not even sure how this worked out.
24:15 That Chad in a previous life had been the angel Moroni. And that Chad in a previous life had been John the Apostle and had been married to Lori. There's all kinds. They were having a field day here. I didn't even see the point in writing it all down. Wow. Fascinating. Well, I'm glad you could pull that from your memory because you've been studying this for a little bit since it's been a passion of yours since it was so close to you and so interestingly connected to the spiritualism. So what happened next? How did they get involved? And you don't have to continue on your notes if you want to just talk this out if you want. But this is fascinating. Because these two. People now are focused on a spiritualism that they are convinced is true. What's next?
25:05 So they're basically revealed they were married in previous lives and the spirits work to bring them together, believe it or not. So they're separately convinced by the spirits that both her husband at the time and Chad's wife at the time were possessed by evil spirits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. So they were married? Wait. Wait. Wait. They were married and they were. They were married in previous lives and that their current spouses. So Lori had a husband named Charles and Chad or Chad had the wife, Tammy. Right. They're both convinced by the evil spirits that their partners are possessed by these demons through Chad. So part of the thing is that the. Angel Moroni and all that, they convince Lori that Chad is a real prophet and so every time they reveal something to Chad, he reveals it to Lori and she just kind of goes with it from there.
26:10 Um, however, she is convinced that she has this super high level power, which if you know LDS terminology here, she was told that she has this thing called the patriarchal ordaining, which is above Melchizedek, which is the highest level in the Mormon. Um. Interesting. The actual Mormon temple ceremonies. It's a reference back to the Bible and Hebrews. So what does that mean? Does that mean she's above the Bible? In a certain sense? Very much. Yes. Above the Bible and above Jesus. Because. Whatever she says. Melchizedek. Pretty much. It's kind of hard to understand if there's like LDS viewers here, they will have a better understanding. Of what I'm talking about.
26:58 Yeah. Leave us a comment. If you're, if you're watching, you understand, uh, Latter-day Saints terminology, uh, help us understand this case a little bit because, uh, it's, it is, uh, unfortunately, uh, it's, it's a very closed knit community and, and it's hard for us to understand everything that's going on here. But, um, if you have any insights, leave us a comment below. We're very interested. Anyway, continue. Sorry to little. Oh, no, you're good. So the first event that happens. Yeah. Is that as she's convinced that Charles is filled with a evil spirit that possesses him, she actually tells him that he's full of an evil spirit because the spirits told her the name of the evil spirit by name. That's like Nick Schneider or something. And she actually tells him that she is going to kill him in his sleep with her supernatural powers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so in the first encounter with Lori with law enforcement, because her husband Charles actually called the police and had a psyche valve done on her, which she passed the cops did a full psyche evaluation and found her to be at full normal mental health at that time.
28:15 Oh boy. And so now he's, he's realizing that she is absolutely crazy and going to kill him, but the cops can't help him. Okay. Great. Pretty much. So, this quickly goes downhill because he, not long afterwards, contacts her bishop, I believe, trying to get her, I'm going to call it temple access, removed. Because her and Chad would do daily trips to the temple, the Mormon temples in their respective areas, because she was in Arizona at the time, to recharge their vibrations. This is one of the many things the spirits told them. They said vibrations. Yes. So, that's very New Age. And there we go. There's that everything in the universe is light, vibrations. Or what is it? Vibrations.
29:16 That's what the New Age says anyway. And you hear that over and over in ufology, that everything's vibrations. And in a sense, a lot of it is because everything is vibrations. But I don't think that necessarily we have to recharge our vibrations in order to. And so, they were meeting up and basically having an affair, long and short story. Yes, yes, yes. I was getting there with that. Yeah, they started having an affair as soon as they met each other and were informed they were married in previous lives. Because, well, who needs the Seventh Commandment when you were already married? Sadly enough, it was happening. And that was definitely contributing to this. But an interesting thing that was going on right around now was what happened with Chad. Because Chad was on a family vacation. And I believe it was to Yellowstone or something. And he winds up in Rexburg, Idaho.
30:08 And while he's getting his car refilled. With gas. He has that audible voice I told you about earlier. Tell him, you will move here. This is where the New Jerusalem will be after Jesus returns. See, that's why I'm very wary when someone says God spoke to me and told me X, Y, and Z. Especially about someone else. Or about myself. I've had that happen to me. And I don't believe it. I think we should. We should test the spirits. I think if God wanted to tell me something, he would tell me. But that's just me, personally. Red flags. The biggest red flags go off in my head when someone says, God has told me something for you. I don't think that that can't happen. Let me say that again.
30:57 I think that's possible. But I do think that we should definitely be wary when something like that happens. Continue. Continue. Sorry. Yeah, sorry. So I actually had that out of order. I should have talked about the... Rexburg thing first. Because it happened earlier in the timeline. So right after her husband tries to get her temple access removed, within a couple days, her brother, who was involved in this system, has a fight with her husband. They get into fist cuffs. One of them pulls a bat. I believe that was her husband. Her husband pulled a bat out. And her brother ends up shooting and killing him. And claiming self-defense. So this is the first...
31:45 The cops were going to investigate this for murder. But they couldn't. Because as soon as they reopened the case, her brother died two days after they reopened the case. We're not sure how. So this is the first possible murder that happened. So her brother died. Her brother died. That was six months after, I guess. So this is the first what we're going to presume. To be either murder or murder-like event that happens. Her brother kills her husband. And then six months later, in the timeline, this is the reason why we don't know for sure if it was a murder or not. Because as soon as they reopened the case, her brother died. So we don't have 100% proof as to whether or not this was a murder. But in the timeline, this was the first of the killings that occurred. Whether there was a valid self-defense or not.
32:38 Okay. But he's a new character in this case. And he's... Yeah, so she brought him on board along with Chad in, like, 2018. Okay. All right. Her brother, Alex Cox. So they're all thinking they're experiencing things right now. Or at least two of them and one's believing. So Alex Cox, Lori, Chad, and a few other people formed a small group at this point that tried to worship together and discuss their... End Time Prophecy. They ended up making a podcast. And I forget the name off the top of my head. But if you go to the internet, they made a podcast you can still find episodes of on the internet that people scrubbed from the internet and, like, saved on certain websites.
33:28 But they had a podcast where they discussed their beliefs. That they were being revealed by these beings that they believed were angels and dead relatives and on and on. So they were all part of, like, a tight-knit group. Almost like at this point in time in 2019, the summer of 2019. Roughly comparable to the Grants Pass Bible Study Group. Okay. Roughly comparable. Kind of formed a nucleus. What is the Rough Grant, what did you say? Bible Study Group? The Grants Pass Bible Study Group. It was a Bible Study Group in Grants Pass that the Halsteads were part of. That's right. That they met the angels and then all those murders happened afterwards. Direct parallel. Okay. Yeah. Continues. Very close parallel. So from here on out, the next thing that happens is that Chad receives this grand vision.
34:21 And he is convinced by the spirits that the world is going to end in July of 2020. And that just before it happens in December of 2019, a massive earthquake was going to destroy the entire Salt Lake Valley. All of Salt Lake City, the temple and everything. And so he starts, after he relays this, right around this time is when Lori moves to Rexburg. Now, I could be off by give or take a few months, but Lori moves up to Rexburg along with her kid and her nephew that she adopted a few years earlier, Joshua. So she has her daughter, Tylee, and then her nephew, Jackson. Or, sorry. I'm just going to call it Jackson. He has a first name with a J. They were both JJ, right? So she's divorced? So they move up together to Rexburg.
35:19 And he had filed a divorce on her, but now he's dead. So she's widowed. Oh, right. He's dead. Police interview her and clear her because they've ruled it as self-defense for her brother, Alex Cox. And there's a police video where they interview her. And not much really comes out of that. So I didn't include any clips from it. Nothing really pertaining to the actual spiritual stuff. That all came out later on. So now, in August, this is when Lori is told that her kids, her daughter, Tylee, and her nephew, Joshua, are what they call zombies. So that's when the demons take them over. There's more murders? Are you kidding me? Yes. Yes. There's more murders here. And at the same time, Chad is told that his wife, Tammy, will soon die.
36:20 But he's not specified why. And so now what happens is... Let me make sure I've got... I don't want to miss any details because if someone's going to pickle me about this a little bit. So around the time that Tammy is supposedly going to die, before any of these murders that are about to happen happen, Lori ends up taking the two kids on a goodbye vacation to Yellowstone. And this is the last time anybody actually sees her kids alive. Because she goes with some of her relatives on a little trip to Yellowstone. And then, basically, as soon as she gets back, she gets with Chad. And they kill the kids, dismember them, and bury them in the backyard of their house. And they're convinced they would get away with it. What? Because when the Salt Lake Valley was destroyed in two months, no one would even care. Because they felt it was the only way to free their souls from purgatory. They were convinced of such by the spirits, so they just killed them.
37:28 And then a couple weeks after that, Chad kills... Chad is revealed... It's revealed to Chad that his wife is possessed by a demon, and he kills her in her sleep. And then a couple weeks after that, Chad kills... Chad is revealed to Chad that his wife is possessed by a demon, and he kills her in her sleep. Adding the fourth of the possible murders to occur. Because, again, we don't really have any proof as to whether or not her husband was murdered or whether or not it was self-defense. Because right when the cops were going to investigate, they were cut off by her brother dying. Okay. Okay. Sorry, I know that's a lot of murder for a quick sentence. But, yes, that's what's going on. And right after the murders happen, they get married. Chad and Lori... Chad and Lori both. And they go off to Hawaii to live happily ever after off of Chad's wife's life insurance. What?
38:21 And so they never got caught? How do we find out? How did they end up in court then? Or at least her? So that ends up in a little bit here, but I just want to briefly touch on one thing here. So we can be pretty certain that the genuine spirit of God was not involved in this. Because how much of the power of sanctification has really happened... If you're just casually remarrying people and killing people left and right, I mean, it says you'll know them by their fruits and test the spirits whether they're of God. And I feel that's a very clear, very clear rebuke to that, their actions here. Because they immediately get married and go off to Hawaii in a lope. They didn't do anything about, like, reporting the kids missing. What ended up happening is the family members... Laurie's family wanted to know what was going on with the kids after a few weeks because they didn't have contact with them, and they reported the kids missing.
39:19 And basically, they get arrested in Hawaii for failure to report the kids missing. And then after they get extradited, the cops actually got a warrant and dug up the whole property, found the kids' bodies, and then at that point, Laurie confessed. Wow. And opened up about all this stuff to the cops. Okay. Chad, ironically enough, has not ever said anything. It's all been accounts from his books and what he's said to people that know him. And his trial is, I believe, next year. He hasn't even had his trial yet. Do we have any clips? Any more clips from her or anything that you want to share? Let me see. She... Her patriarchal power, I forgot to... I don't have that included here. She was commissioned, supposedly, by Jesus, and there's a clip of that.
40:17 Oh, my. But then I was told by Jesus that I needed to go back and complete things that I had covenanted or promised to do before I was born. This caused me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my real home, and I only wanted to be there. I was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then I was shown... how I would help my children and others in the future. So, ultimately, I did agree to go back to my body. Wow. Wow. Wow-wee. She is convinced she did the right thing. I feel this is... I feel this is a very clear counterfeit of the Joel prophecy about sons and daughters prophesied. Hmm. I just... Because notice that both Chad and Lori were actually given prophecies...
41:11 Hmm. ...during their commission. ...during their commissionings of their future life and works. Now, they have never enumerated on what was in the prophecies so that they could be proved whether or not they were true, but I think it's interesting they were both given a prophecy, and I think that takes it a little bit of a further step from the Halstead case. And then another one here, there is a clip, and it's a somewhat lengthy one. You may not want to get into them. I have these clips from Melanie Gibbs, her friend, one of the other people in the group, that talked about how they did this casting and the evil spirits and the introduction of it. And it's kind of jumbled and confusing. There's one about Lori's new powers, supposedly. Okay. And then the casting and zombies. I think that the one from 19 to 23, that one about casting and zombies has a little experience here from the temple.
42:13 Oh, right. It kind of talks about casting and how all that works. Okay. Let's play that. Let's see what that looks like. All right. But anyway, she learned a lot about, and Julie Rowe, they talked about casting out. They talked about when evil spirits, you put your arm to the square, you cast out, you use, and then talked about love as your most powerful weapon and different weapons. He would say different weapons. I don't know if he described them, but he just talked about love as the most powerful weapon we can use against the adversary. So I don't know. Maybe she took that, and then she took Julie Rowe's freaked out stuff, which she's whacked, but she was heavily into the energy work. And a lot of these things were coming through, all these weapons and different things and evil spirits around you. So I remember one time she told me when she was in Hawaii before I ever met her, so this was when she was living there, she recalled a moment. She goes, I remember, Melanie, I woke up, an angel woke me up and said, you need to email Julie Rowe and tell her that she's a true servant. And I was thinking, wow.
43:13 Because I didn't think Lori was lying to me. I thought she was really enlightened. And anyway, she believed in this. And anyway, she said, she said, she finally figured it. She said, I can't even email or I don't do Facebook. She's like, I just finally read the back of the book, had the email on it, and just said, you are a servant, and that's it. And she just said, Lori. And that's all she said. She said it off on my back of bed. So I was thinking, wow. Okay. And so, so when her and I met that day, she's like, I know that Moroni, she must have told me about Moroni, or he was the savior. I know that he's called me to be part of the 144,000 to help other women. I'm to gather other women, something like that, and help them be part of the gathering kind of thing. Okay. So her and I go to the temple. We go to the Phoenix temple because I remember the Gilder temple was closed. So we're going in there. This is, if you're LDS, you're going to be surprised by this.
44:09 This is what, this is where the deception really began. I go into the temple. And I'm going to the dressing room. We're getting our white clothes on. And she is in the dressing stall. And I come out and I stand behind, they have an arch window in the Phoenix temple, right in the, in the, in the women's room. And I'm standing there. And all of a sudden I get this like heat all over my head. And I'm like, what's that? So I said, Lori. She comes out. I said, fill my head. And she goes, oh, it's happening. And I was like, yeah, it's really hot on top of it. I didn't have a fever. Nobody got nowhere else on my body was hot. And it wasn't because the sun was coming through. It was really like this heat. It lasted for, I don't know, like a minute or two. And she's like, wow, it's happening. I'm thinking, wow, that's pretty awesome. You know, I'm thinking that's good.
44:57 And so anyway, we go into a couple of different rooms. I don't want to share too much because it's simple. But anyway, she thinks that she has the power to ordain me at that point. To be part of this 144,000. And so she says a little prayer. That's her thing, her little prayers. And does she say where she got the keys to ordain you? Yeah, from the Lord himself and for her own. I herself in the temple in the initiatories in a certain location in the stories. And the interesting thing I told us to Rob, the same place that Salima said she saw the Lord was the same place he said. And I was like, how did that happen where she said the same place? And he goes, well, Melanie, people can have some psychological word. I don't remember what he called it. So some of the psychological. Word that she had this experience and then I was like, well, I never had anything like that. So I don't have the experience they do because I don't have vision or experiences.
45:51 That's not me, but that's not my gift. So I just assume that because they had, they knew more than me. Well, if they can see that, I can't see it. Maybe they, I don't doubt that people can have gifts like that. I'm very much believer. So that was a bit on the odd side that that happened to me in the temple. And I've asked other people that work in the temple and different things. They said, well, they can bring. Satan in with them. I'm like, they can't. So that was sad. So that's where my confidence came from with her because I'm in the temple of my God. That happens to me. So, um, I had to, you can imagine after all this happened, I had to read back and go think. It's like all those things you thought, revelation, get rid of them. Oh, and so what's really fascinating to me is not only all that she said and remind me again, this is a friend of hers.
46:47 Oh, I want to. I mentioned something else, but yes, uh, Melanie Gibbs, she was actually in that inner circle. I kind of told you about, uh, the one around them and she filtered out after the murders. Gotcha. Okay. And so what was fascinating, this is kind of like a deposition of some kind where she's telling her story to someone was being interviewed by a cop. She, that was her second interview after the murder with one of the cops. Uh, there was a lot of material to pour out. So that was, that was the interview with her. That. I kind of pulled up cause it came highly recommended for what was in it. I got so many things going through my head right now. Cause there's, there's so many things for either just even from her testimony. That's fascinating, but also from a body language, uh, kind of sort from her to the investigator, because it's proof to me by watching this, either the investigator is very good at, at mirroring.
47:39 That's something they like to do to make you feel more comfortable. Or he is absolutely a believer, even probably LDS himself, because he was just like, let me tell you earlier in the interview and I didn't have that in the clip. I believe he said as much that he was LDS. Okay. And he was like in the temple. I believe he was, I believe he's LDS. Cause, uh, I watched the whole hour and however long it was interview. Don't recommend it, but anyways, uh, he seemed to talk as much as though he were, uh, LDS. Wow. Um, and they could go down. All kinds of rabbit trails. That's why I'm trying to keep this pair down as much as I have. Um, so I think I'll leave it up to you, but I think let's just go for the coup de grave because she was actually visited and she, she kind of alluded to it a little bit.
48:34 Um, she alluded to it in her lifelong testimony, but she was actually visited in the jail cell by all the people that were murdered. Okay. What? Okay. So wait. Uh, obviously they're dead. They can't visit you in a jail cell, but she was convinced she saw them all. Right? Yeah. Yes. That's going to be the three clips from five minutes, 30 seconds of video one down to eight minutes, 53 seconds. Because all three people that were confirmed murdered, she believes visited her while she was in jail. All right. Starting at JJ visitation. Uh, no, let's start at Tylee. Tylee. JJ. And then Tammy Daybell. It's the same track of video continuously goes on and she describes three different visitations. All right. So this is that one. Absolutely.
49:28 Tylee has visited me. She is happy and very busy. Tylee is free now from all the pains of her life. Tylee suffered horrible physical pain her whole life. I sat with Tylee in the hospital. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. After year after year, while she screamed in pain, when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried and I held back her hair while she threw up and I am the only person on this earth who knows how much Tylee suffered in her life. She had pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body did not work right. And I don't know if that was from complications for me. She was dying while she was being born or something else, but she had a very difficult life.
50:24 She was sexually abused by her own biological father since she was three years old and she was forced by family court to go visit him for 10 years against her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her. I tried to protect her with my whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about her. I tried to protect her every single day. Tylee had to get her GED because she couldn't go to school every day because she never felt good. She felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylee, like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to know that she's here for a purpose and that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth. But I never stopped worrying about her.
51:15 One of the times that Tylee came to me. As a spirit after she died, she said she commanded me and she said to me, stop worrying, Mom, we are fine. She knows how I worry and how I miss her. And so do the demons. What's what's. How much detail about her life that this entity claiming to be her daughter actually has perfectly. Impersonates her character. So why don't we leave it to you to go on to JJ or Joshua Jackson's visit? Yeah, sure. Here we go. The first time JJ visited me after he passed away. He put his arm around me and he said to me. You didn't do anything wrong, Mom. I love you.
52:12 And I know you loved me every minute of my life. JJ, JJ, Joshua Jackson was an adult spirit and he was very, very tall when he put his arm around me, he is busy, he is engaged, he has jobs that he does there and he is happy where he is. His life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person and touched the lives of everyone. And I adored him every minute of my life. And I adored him every minute of his life. Wow. Wow. We. So she visited or JJ visited, apparently. That's what she thinks. But it wasn't really JJ. What can you say? I don't even know.
53:14 There's not much to say, Brad. There really isn't. Just kind of see it for yourself. One thing that's really clear here is these are very good, very good impersonations. There's a reason the Bible calls them familiar. They are familiar spirits. They are very familiar with your mannerisms and all your life experiences to make these very good fakes. So what we have for the last clip is she was supposedly visited by the wife, the dead wife of Chad. OK. Tammy. My eternal friend, Tammy Daybell, has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring me peace. Okay. And comfort. And I know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren.
54:05 And I have a great love for Tammy. Wow. And so that's that's proof enough that she's been being visited by demonic spirits. After all, I mean, she's been told things that were untrue, that were unbiblical. And now she's saying things the Bible says that we shouldn't be seeing and that we should be testing if we do. So that's. Very fascinating. How does this conclude? How does this conclude? Really, that is the conclusion. Right. She was sentenced by the jury and the judge to I think it was like five or six consecutive lifetimes without the possibility of parole. So she avoided the death penalty because she was so open with the investigators. But that's kind of where we're at. Chad is still in jail and he hasn't talked at all. Like Laurie has and his trials, not till next summer, I believe.
55:03 But really, one thing I want to note here, and this is unlike the Halstead case, because we do have evidence. The Halsteads recanted their position and changed their mind. But that is not the case here. Even in the jail cell, they are still getting visited. They're still communicating and they are still very much convinced. Like nothing. That's happened so far has broken their belief in these beings. No matter how many times they're in jail, Laurie ended up in a psych hospital for like a year before she was even cleared to go to trial. But all through that time, she still believes this. And that clip you just watched there was just over a month ago. Wow. That was a month ago. So this is a really recent happening. Yes. Yes. Oh, yes, it is.
56:00 And so this is all in Utah? Would you say it was Idaho? So the murders happened in Rexburg, eastern Idaho. The trial is being held in Boise, Idaho. So all the trials happened in Boise, Idaho. And they're also going to try Chad in Boise. Just because the popular sentiment in eastern Idaho was so strongly against them that the prosecutors and lawyers, did not believe they would get a fair trial. Unbiased. So that's why they're holding it in west Idaho, just because the people were so strongly desirous of them being gone that they couldn't actually hold the trial in eastern Idaho, because there was just that much contempt. But no, they have not changed their mind. That is very much her fresh opinion. And Chad, we've got no reason to believe he's changed his mind because he just hasn't even talked about it. Oh. Oh, my goodness. And so they're, wow.
57:03 Okay. Well, that's fascinating. I mean, this is a continue. I'm sure we're going to find out more about this as the next trial continues. So if you can, since this is close physically to you, keep an eye on this, because we might cover this again as a part two. Oh, trust me, I'm keeping my eye on this. I have been for a while. I kind of got, no offense here. I got kind of late. I got kind of lazy on this the last couple of years. And then as the trial was starting to wrap up back in July, I kind of popped back in to take a look. And the Halstead similarities just leaked out at me. Yeah. Because most of these clips really became available as the trial started happening. And so I was just digging through this. And one thing I got to say, if you just believe that there's no such thing as evil spirits, you are not going to understand this case well.
57:57 Because while I was researching this case, there were no two people on the whole internet that saw a like on this case. Everybody was trying to look for the spin of who's manipulating who, who's really the bad guy, who's the poor, innocent victim, who's between Chad and Lori and Alex and all of them. It was just utter confusion. Because when you don't have that foundation that the spiritual realm is A, real, B, it's not something you need to mess with. You're just completely lost on this subject. And that's what most of the trial coverage and most of the people talking about it are. They're just completely lost. They have no idea what to do with this case. No two articles or posts are the same. The reality is this is a demonic deception, just like it was with the Halsteads. Man. Andrew, I appreciate everything you've done in researching this fascinating case.
58:57 Because it really proves. It proves a lot. It proves that what we've known all along, Satan's a liar and he's here to deceive us. And it even shows probably what he's going to use in the very last days when this strange normal becomes a very normal part of your life. And what we've seen happening through the Halsteads, through this case, I don't even know what to call it. Chad and what's her name? I call it the Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow. Just because Lori Vallow was the one. I'm a local, so I'm biased. I always call it the Lori Vallow case. But I think it's just the Vallow Daybell case. Vallow Daybell case. I've heard the last names. Yeah. I mean, it just shows you what's really going on here. And I think as time progresses, we're going to see more and more of this come out. So I think it's vital that we educate ourselves and understand what the devil is planning.
59:54 I mean, not just by watching the world. But by digging into the word, understanding what the word says. And by that, we can put up the firewall and stop the bad things from happening. Because this life is not guaranteed to give us absolute normalcy, absolute care and love and good feelings all the time. We're going to have times in this life where it's going to be very difficult. And that might just be a test. But ultimately, God says that he'll make everything right in the end. So praise God. And thank you so much, Andrew, for this. This is fascinating. I mean, it really is. It just goes on to prove. And the Bible says the devil goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he may devour. We've got to take that seriously. We've got to take our walk with God seriously. And we've got to take our connection, really. Because, really, the Holy Spirit is what guides us into the truth.
1:00:57 And if we don't have. If we don't have the Spirit of God, we're just a wide-open door to these lies. Because, I mean, the Halsteads, that was another case. But they should have known better. And so should these guys if they'd opened their Bible up and read it and been led by the Spirit of God. I feel this could have been. This whole tragedy could have been avoided. And the worst part is it hasn't stopped. They still believe it. They're still under the power of these beings. Even while they're in jail. And that's just sad to me. It is. Absolutely. Will you pray for us? And pray for the case that they'll come back to Christ. Because these people are in the throes of spiritualism right now. Oh, absolutely, Brad. Father in heaven, thank you so much for helping us to see the danger that's coming.
1:01:53 For revealing it to us. And for revealing the truth in your word to us. I don't know. I just pray that you would, you who can do everything, would reach out and find a way to get to Lori and to Chad. The enemy has them deceived, but it's never too late. While there's life, there's hope. And I just pray that you would give wisdom and discernment to those of us watching this video and living in the last days. That we would not be so easily deceived by these deceptions. Because we know they're going to happen more. And I just ask that you would center. Holy Spirit, be with every one of us that's watching this video. I ask this in Jesus' name.