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The Ancient Sea Ship in the Sky… and the Deadly Secret Behind It

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0:09 The battle that's going to be taking place at the end of time is one that's a line in the sand. Which side are you going to choose? The Vatican Library itself has been digitizing their 80 million codices. Some of the manuscripts detailing some of the UFO, UAP-type stuff from maybe centuries ago. There was, like, these ships that were sailing through the air and let down an anchor. And there was, like, some villagers that came over and tried to grab hold of the man, and he, like, drops to the ground dead. As it is established that he was called a god by the pious Prince Constantine. Since it is manifest that even God cannot be judged by men. They came and they slaughtered thousands of them. I just, just, to the man, just killed them. They had to pay city workers a week later to drag the bodies out. And they dragged 1,100 bodies out of the sunroom. So they're calling Rome the most bloody, perfidious, murdering, massacring, and assassinating government of the world.

1:07 Upon Earth. All the way across the United States. And the headline that they ran was, Old Wound Healed. Old Wound Healed. Over and over and over. And he is the one that is orchestrating all this behind the scenes. And he has power to appear like a being of light. Like a glowing ball in the sky. Like a ship, an ancient ship with an anchor that's cast down to the earth. James, Alex, thanks for coming. This has been a wild ride. You're just down the road here. And it's really neat to actually have some other YouTubers that are actually doing this and have their own channel here. So what channel is it? And tell us the name of it. And tell us how you got started. Well, so our channel is Heritage and Hope Ministries.

2:01 We're heritageandhope.org. We started a YouTube channel. It's really been a wild ride. I was telling James yesterday, it's like we're in a fighter jet and we're like pulling back on the stick and it's a 9G pole and we're like, the afterburners are lit because it's just been a wild ride. We uploaded our first channel in our new studio January 12th. And so we've been doing this for, what is this, six months now? And we're growing very rapidly. James has been doing some research into old documents longer. He has his own channel, Biblical Hope. One word, just Biblical Hope. And so he's been kind of looking into ancient Latin texts and kind of deciphering what those are and finding little nuggets throughout history. And, you know, we've been watching your channel and we've really enjoyed seeing how there's a link there that explains, like our worldview can explain so much. And so, like, if there's things that are unexplained and they don't fit in your worldview, what are you going to do with that information?

3:03 And so I've really appreciated watching Strange Normal because there are some things that are happening in society today that a lot of people don't have an answer for. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one of the things that I've been doing is I've been doing a lot of research and one of the things that I saw on some of your videos was what the Vatican might be hiding or something like that. And it actually challenged me to say, hmm, I wonder if any of that might be public. Now, is there anything that if you really dug at it, you could find? And it was interesting, you know, the Vatican Library itself has been digitizing their 80 million codices since 2010. And some of the manuscripts detailing some of the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the potential UFO, UAP type stuff from maybe centuries ago. Is it legend? Is it, was there something that actually took place?

3:56 Possibly. It's interesting to read. And I actually found a story of something over in the UK where there was like these ships that were sailing through the air and let down an anchor and there was a bunch of fog. But an anchor came down. And, you know, somebody got like kind of taken up, if you will. And so it's interesting. Some of the. This is from hundreds of years ago, right? Yeah. So now, granted, in their day, you know, it's kind of operating with or maybe presenting itself the way. Right. The greatest technology they had at the time, which would have been like, you know, ships. Sailing ship. You know, old fashioned sailing ship, but going through the clouds. But, you know, today we've seen like, like more high tech. The manifestations kind of being talked about and whatnot in the news with the military and all that.

4:51 But there's a lot more in the Vatican archives and the history that a lot of people aren't aware of. And so that's kind of what our ministry likes to, what we like to do is to go dig through those records and say, well, hmm, what else is there that might give a bigger explanation? Yeah. Awesome. And so we started actually collecting. Our first, first old document that we bought, we've not been doing it terribly long, but we've, like I said, it's been a wild ride, very rapid, is we bought one in August of last year. And, you know, we were looking online and we were like, man, should we buy it? Should we not? We like kind of went back and forth on it for a while. And finally, I was like, you know what? There's too much old hidden secrets in these books that nobody is talking about that needs to see the light of day. And so that's why. Because the thing is, is how do you explain the modern, what's happening in today's society in a more modern aspect?

5:51 You have to look at it from a historical lens. That's how you should view everything. And so we actually got our first, let me grab that first book right there. We actually got this first book, which is a book of Catholic canon law. It was, it was written by a Catholic monk by the name of Grishin. And this particular book. Right here is from 1559. So it's about 460 something years old. And so the thing is, is we got this book because of some of the statements that it makes, because, you know, like James said, the Vatican digital library, they are, you know, having so much information come out. And so it's like, okay, they're having these reports, like he said, of this ship floating through the mist. Right. And having this. This anchor chain come down and then the anchor gets stuck and they have to have like, there's this like figure of like a sailor that comes and descends from the clouds and is like trying to work on the anchor.

6:54 And, and there was like some villagers that came over and tried to grab hold of the man and he like drops to the ground dead. And so there's like these spiritual manifestations that are happening. We have a slide on this that are being documented hundreds of years ago. So, yeah, we have this, this book by Grishin written in 1559. And it's interesting to discuss some of the things that are actually said in there. You know, what was the Vatican's position on a lot of different things? Well, one of the things that is said about this book here on page 53 is in Distincio 19, it says, and once you translate it to English, that these decretal epistles among the canonical scriptures, decretal epistles counted. So in their mind, where is that placing scripture then? That's placing it on the same plane. As this book that was written by man, hundreds of years after the formation of the Bible, right? What went over my head?

7:53 What is decorative epistles? So this is basically a book of Catholic canon law. So Grishin was basically like, he's a monk, but he was also a lawyer. And so he basically wrote down all the different decrees by a lot of different popes spanning centuries. Okay. He compiles them into this. And this is like the authoritative source of information. For anybody who's anybody who's Catholic, essentially. So you would take a copy of this book and ship it to every abbey and, you know, church and cathedral from hither and yon, and they could reference it and say, okay, well, this is the church's stance on this. This is what we should do. Gotcha. Because this is the history behind it, basically. And so it's basically elevating this to the same plane as scripture. Oh, wow. So I think that, you know, as a Protestant, I would have a problem with that, right? Yeah. But if you go on to page 131.

8:43 It has an interesting statement here. It says, If the Pope is found to be negligent concerning the salvation of his brethren, useless and remiss in his works, and furthermore, silent about what is good, which harms him more, nonetheless leads countless peoples in large groups to follow him into the first bondage of hell, destined to be beaten with many stripes forever. No mortal presumes to rebuke him for such faults, for he himself is to judge all and is to be judged by no one. Oh. So, you know, this is, again, kind of, this book is basically directly from the Protestant Reformation. And so that's also where you're getting these accounts of this, you know, these mystics, the mysticism that is kind of in the church that you see at the same time. So it's like, okay, is there a link there? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what do you think? You've looked into the Vatican quite a bit. Do you see kind of a link there between some of the mysticism and that aspect of things? Well, there were accounts of some of the mystics within Catholicism of levitating and other kinds of stuff.

9:53 So we can see, you know, aspects of that. There's even accounts going farther back, and I think it's the Apocryphal Acts of Peter, where Simon Magus himself was said to have died in the middle of a levitation act after Peter knelt down and prayed. And he then... And Simon Magus falls unto his death. So it's very interesting if you go back. There were some other individuals. I think Ignatius of Loyola was known for that. Some of the Jesuits were as well. But it's very different from the kind of principle that we see for Philip, for example, when he teleported or was transported by the Spirit somewhere else. It was very much a need in some cases for the apostles. It was very much a need in some cases for the apostles to go different places to preach the Word of God.

10:46 But we see this as more of like a, I don't know if you will, maybe more of an experience where it's almost described as like the ecstasy of the experience itself, not so much serving an effort to like send somebody to preach the gospel somewhere, but more of to put on a show, if you will. So it's appealing to the senses instead of the intellect. Yeah. So the thing that you kind of have to establish is why was the Protestant Reformation going forward? So you talk a lot about UAPs and how there's a link there to when people cry out in Jesus' name, there's a link there to demonic entities, right? Mm-hmm. So if we're going off the assumption that UAP phenomenon... Mm-hmm. ...is demonic, then which side here is the right or wrong in Christianity? Because that's the question then, right? Is it the side that's having these spiritual manifestations or is it not?

11:58 And that's a question that I think kind of becomes more clear once you go through this and realize how their stance was and are they acting on Christian principles? Like, and when I mean Christian principles, Christ-like principles. Mm-hmm. So going forward, there's another... There's another text here on page 314 in that book. It is quite clearly shown that the pontiff cannot be entirely bound or loosed by secular power as it is established that he was called a god by the pious Prince Constantine, who we mentioned earlier, since it is manifest that even God cannot be judged by men. Wow. Mm-hmm. And so what are they calling the pope right there? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, it's interesting that they're using the word ostenditor in the Latin, which is the same word you find in the Latin Vulgate in 2 Thessalonians 2 for the man of sin when he shows himself to be God, ostendens.

12:52 And so in this case, this was actually a part of canon law itself that the pope was shown or could justly be shown to be called God, as they say, by the pious Prince Constantine, actually affirming the ruler himself in such an act of blasphemy. Mm-hmm. So... We also have here a section of text by Pope Gregory XIII, and it says, the enemies of the ecclesiastical religion must also be coerced by wars. Coerced by wars? Coerced. Right. So do you find force... No. ...anywhere in the Bible? No, no. I mean, well, of course there is in the Bible, but not part of God's... Right. ...establishment. Right. And it's more consistent with the religion of Cain than of Abel.

13:43 Right. Yeah. Right. And so, I don't know, what do you think? Do you think that the UAP phenomenon, do you think a lot of it is by free will, or do you think it's by coercion or by force or what? A lot of the experiences that people have. There is something to the rules of engagement that we see. There's some rules that, you know, you have to go to it or you have to open yourself up to it in order for something to attach almost to you, as the hitchhiker effect is called. Right. But it does seem to select sometimes people that are having very traumatic things in their lives and things like that. So, there is a coercion that seems to attach to people at time and to force them into a certain way of thinking. So, you know, in addition to this statement, what's interesting is Pope Gregory XIII, the same pope who said the enemies of the ecclesiastical religion must be coerced by wars, he minted this coin.

14:42 And this coin right here, which we actually have a copy of this coin, that it shows an angel standing over the bodies of dead Huguenots. And this was basically a reference to St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre that occurred in 1572. And this is when the Huguenots, Huguenots came into Paris, France, and were there. And there was tens of thousands of them there. And in one day in 1572, they came and they slaughtered thousands of them. I just, just to the, to the man, just, just killed them like dogs in the street. And they took so many of the bodies and they dumped them into the, is it the Seine River? Seine River. That they had to pay city workers a week later to drag the bodies out. And they dragged 1100 bodies out of the Seine River alone. And so it's this absolute bloodbath.

15:40 Now, what's important about this coin that goes along with this coin is that it's a statement that's written in this book is he has an angel of death standing over the dead bodies. And then he has his face on the other side and the angel of death is holding up a crucifix. And so he's basically, so he's celebrating it essentially. Right. He's saying like, yeah, we, we did a good thing. And so here's a, here's actually the exact picture of our coin that we have. Ours actually has a little bit of a casting defect in it. Because it, it was from the 1600s. They kept restriking it actually every couple hundred years. And so we actually have a restrike that's about a hundred years after the event. So ours is from the 1600s. But it's not like they minted the coin once and then we're like, wow, we made a mistake. We shouldn't do that again.

16:29 I mean, they kept doing it for hundreds of years. So it's a system of coercion as well. And then in addition to that, we kind of have a interesting pivot here. We have, we have a couple of pages here from the original 1583 Geneva Bible. And so these pages right here from the Geneva Bible are original, and this is a pulpit folio Bible. And so this would have been used up front. And this is the same Bible that came over on the Mayflower. And it could have even been this copy. We don't know for sure. There was probably only a few hundred of these Bibles at the time. So it's not a, it's not a zero, zero chance, but we don't know for sure. But this section of text that we have is actually from Revelation. And we're, we're lucky to have it because most of the time in those old Bibles, when they start getting torn away to where it's just the pages left, the last and the first books of the Bible are the first to go.

17:26 But we're lucky to have this one. But it has a section of text from Revelation 13, 18, talking about, here is wisdom. Let him that hath wit count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. And this number is 603. Rescore and six. And then what's interesting is the footnotes. I don't know if you can see the footnotes at the bottom, or it's actually at the top, top right-hand corner that you'll see the footnotes for that one. It says, if you look at the top, right, it says such as may be understood by man's reason for about 666 years after this revelation, the Pope or antichrist began to be manifest in the world. So you have a interesting understanding here of all, all of those that came to the new world. So this is the Bible. That's the Geneva Bible. So this is a Protestant Bible. Yeah. This is what would have come over on the Mayflower. This is what was in the new world.

18:22 So what is their understanding of who the, the power is here? That's spoken of this, this beast power, the Pope, the Pope. Exactly. And so it's a very well-known statement that they believed the antichrist was the Pope. Pure and simple, right? So if you follow that and understand what Protestant thought was at the time, there's another section of text in this book right here, back in, in the canon law. If you go to page 316, there's a section of text by it's the donation of Constantine. And in this text, there's a very peculiar little statement. Vicarious, and that's a papal title right there that was used to, to refer to the Pope.

19:19 Now the donation of Constantine was actually a forged document. And this is well known to be forged. Now, like if you look it up, everybody agrees that it was a forged document and it was supposedly from Constantine back in the third century, who was the Roman emperor at the time. Right. And he gives power in this donation of Constantine. To the papal system. Okay. Now they later was proved to be a forgery who, who forged it. We don't know, but it didn't stop it from making its way into canon law. And for them using it for hundreds of years saying, Oh yeah, we got the power from Constantine himself. So it was very convenient for them. And it was, there's a lot of argument out there about who forged it, but it would not be surprising at all to say that the papacy forged it to basically give themselves power, if that makes sense. But what do they call the Pope? In this donation of Constantine?

20:11 Yeah. Vicarious Philae Dei. Well, it's not just that they call him that, but they constitute him that, which is to give the authority of law behind like the weight of law behind this actual name. So Andreas Helvig was the one in, in the early 17th century who figured out that this was the name that adds up to 666. So it's something that Protestants have known for hundreds of years and that was established upon the foundation of canon law. Right. Wow. So, you know, you can see how that title adds up. Vicarious 112 Philae 53 Dei 501. And what is Vicarious Philae Dei? You mean vicar of the son of God, vicar meaning in place of, so in place of the son of God. Well, can any, anything, anybody be in put in place of God? No, no. Right. So the next book that we have here, again, and this is all shaping a narrative, right?

21:12 This is all like painting a picture, basically explaining the Protestant Reformation because you have to understand the Protestant Reformation before you can really understand and pick out, okay, well, which side of Christianity is correct? Is it the Catholic church who says that they've been there all the way from the beginning? Or do you choose one of the Protestant denominations of which there's 30,000 of them? I mean, there's like, you know, the Baptist and then there's the Reformed Baptist and then the Southern Baptist. And it goes on and on and on and on. You have all these different little, little factions of Protestantism. So do you pick a Protestant side or do you pick a Catholic side? Do you pick a, so, so we're talking about, you know, your channel focuses on UAPs, demonic activity, right? Last day spiritualism. Last day spiritualism, right? So do you pick the Catholics who say that they can perform exorcisms? They have priests that are specifically, that's their whole focus is going and performing exorcisms.

22:05 Do you, do you go with them or do you go with the Protestant side? And so in order to, in order to, to make that decision and understand which one is true, you have to understand the Protestant reformation. And that's what all of this helps lay out. And so you kind of have to go through this and see where it all leads and then say, okay, now I know which side is the one is the correct one. Does that make sense? Yeah. Cause at the end of time, we're going to see a big influx of the Catholic church come in. We're already seeing that. Right. And so, and they're already saying that they can interpret what's going on, this whole spiritualism that's happening, right? These fireballs in the sky. And so if you want to go, and then to take their word for it, and they're going to tell you that it's, it's mother Mary, it's our lady who's been with us the whole time. Right. Then you're going to be deceived. Right. Like the, the, the miracle of Fatima that occurred. Yeah. I'm sure you've probably gone into that. Oh, there's 20 of them. There's, and there were in the last hundred years, there's been, I think 18. Yeah. And so, and 1500s, I think it was the one of the first ones.

23:01 So, but it's very interesting, all this stuff that happened. Always, always, always a Catholic church says, oh, it's our lady, whatever town it's in. Yeah. But the, the, the entity itself never identifies itself as Mary. It's the Catholic church that puts that on her. Right. Right. Right. So we have another book here that was a Pontificale Romanum. And so it's a pretty little book, actually. It has gilt edges around it. It's real gold. This book is actually from 16, is it 1682? Yeah. So these are really old books that we have here. I mean, and these are original. These aren't like facsimiles or anything. These are the original books right here. And it has a quote on page 62 that says, I swear that heretics and schismatics and rebels to our Lord, the Lord Pope or his successors, I will, to the extent of my power, persecute and beat down.

23:54 Okay. So I'm sure you've heard of the Jesuit oath before. The Jesuit oath is, is hotly contested, right? They will deny it till the cows come home that that's ever a real oath. They'll say, oh no, that's made up by a bunch of people, a bunch of Protestants that just hate Catholics and just hate Jesuits and that type of thing. And it's a very graphic, bloody, disgusting oath. And so anybody would want to deny that it's legitimate, right? But the problem is, is that you have other oaths like this, the Abbott's oath that affirm those same principles. They want to persecute, beat down, right? It's, it's showing that there's war. We have a, a bunch of different books here that are all part of, kind of a series that we were able to get. And there's 19 of them that we didn't even bring all the volumes with us here today.

24:46 But this is the sacrosanct concilia and it's actually talking about forbidding people from having the Bible. So we prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the old or new Testament, unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter, or the breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed virgin. But we most strictly forbid they're having any translation of these books. The dark ages. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And in addition to that, you actually go further forward and there's another quote that says, Paterines and other heretics, whereby whatever name they are considered, we decide what they affect, that they may be burned alive in the sight of men by the fiery, judgment. Wow. Wow. So you think about, I mean, that's a, that's a statement, right? There's a, there's a lot of people today that, you know, deny these kinds of statements and downplay the inquisition and say, Oh, you know, it wasn't this big thing.

25:55 Um, but you know, when you look at the evidence of what Rome did, like, um, you know, it can be depressing, but at the same time, like there's so many people that don't believe and don't even know like the, the, the history of this and think, Oh, you know, all that was like, um, you know, rumor. Yeah. But when you look at the books that they actually put forward, I mean, this is the sacrosanct concilia, one of them right here, we've got 18 of them, uh, all 18 volumes, but, um, they're written by two Jesuits and they have history of a lot of the councils and canons and decrees, not all of them, um, but there's a lot of them in there and that detail that I think you have another slide here, Addicts Terpanda. This one talks about the implementation of torture, uh, in actually kicking off the inquisition. So long as you didn't break arms or legs, you could force an individual. So you can see where a lot of the instruments and devices that actually got created, um, the Catholic churches, the, they have the largest collection of torture instruments out there.

27:04 Yeah. Um, going on, we've got some, uh, it wasn't just torture. They actually prohibited buying and selling. So neither let any commerce be held with them and selling and buying that the comfort of humanity having been lost, that they may be compelled to return from the error of their ways. So at the end of time, you know, who's going to prohibit buying and selling. It's this same hour. So it's just interesting to see them getting involved with some of this, uh, stuff today, because, because their history is quite dark. you know, they, they, uh, actually were not just forbidding buying and selling, but, uh, forbid under an anathema that they, any should presume to keep them in their houses or on their land, sustain them or transact any business with them. Maria, this would have been groups like the Walden sees right here.

27:58 Some of the, uh, some of the surrounding, um, individuals who are viewed as heretics, but, you know, looking at the presumption of this power, uh, there were some statements made in some of the councils, like there aren't finally another God on earth, you know? Um, and some of the Protestants today, I look at like Doug Wilson, some of the other Christian nationalists who think, well, the popes were never elevated themselves to the point of, you know, Caligula or some of the Roman emperors, but they, they most certainly did, uh, use these kinds of statements in some of the councils to refer to the Pope. What is Caligula? Caligula, Roman emperor who deemed himself, uh, or some of the Roman emperors who, that's it. It was a name. I was thinking it was a title. Yeah. Yeah. Colleague emperor Caligula. Yeah. But, um, there's, there's a lot of them where they called themselves king of Kings.

28:47 Um, yeah, like the line, like the lion, the king of quadrupeds, thou art thou another lion, not another king of men only, but made the king of Kings and monarch, the whole earth woods to bring back allure and recall to thy fold other sheep, which are not of this fold gird thyself. Therefore, with thy sword upon thy thigh, oh, most mighty for thou also has two swords, the spiritual and the temporal. Oh, there's that union of church and state that, you know, if you think about it, like Christian nationalism. So, you know, what's interesting is if you look at the Vatican flag itself, actually, you have two different colors represented and you have two keys bound together by a round, a red cord. And, uh, that's again, talking about the spiritual and the temporal, right? The, the state power and the spiritual power.

29:40 So it's a combination of church state power. That's kind of coming together, if that makes sense. So that's what this quote was talking about. But going forward, uh, there's another quote. Um, but we not daughter of Zion for behold, the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David comes behold. God has raised up for the, a savior who shall save you from the hands of the spoilers. We have expected the almost blessed Leo. As the savior that was to come now Leo as of the constellation or what does that mean? Leo, Pope Leo, hopefully hopefully now. Oh, okay. I think I, so this was, you know, reckoning back to Leo the 10th. But, um, if you, if you look forward, you know, we got Leo actually, uh, just recently who got installed as Pope again, Alex, before you get to that next slide there, um, as just building on this idea, this is Lucius Ferreris right here.

30:33 His work, prompt of bibliotheca canonica, let the camera behind you see it. Oh yeah. Yeah. This is from 1766 right here. And this particular book has, uh, some more of those kinds of statements. If we go to Papa art two right here, where the Pope is not merely man, uh, but he's like God or quasi Deus and the vicar of God vicarious day, the Pope can actually be called most holy. So Papa San Tissimus appellator, uh, but they say further that in terms of authority, he's like God on earth and that he has so much authority and power that he can modify, declare and interpret divine law. Wow. So, you know, one of the things that Protestants realized in terms of what the Pope actually did in changing divine times and laws was actually altering, uh, the fourth commandment and changing it from Sabbath, or from Sabbath to Sunday.

31:38 And actually, uh, at the council of Trent, January 18th, 1562, uh, Rome responded to the solo script or a Protestants by pointing out their logical inconsistency in keeping Sunday. Now, not all of them kept Sunday. There were some who actually kept the Sabbath. Uh, but we can see right here that they said that the Sabbath, the most glorious day has been changed, not by virtue of the teaching of Christ, but upon the, the authority supposedly of the church and uh, contains that sermon from the council of Trent by Gaspar da Faso. He was archbishop and his solution to Protestants at the council of Trent was to point out their logical inconsistencies. Uh, if they kept Sunday, then logically they accepted the authority of the church and, uh, at least on matters of divine law.

32:31 And so how could they dare rebel unless they were nothing more than rebels? In other words, they didn't have a legitimate foundation. If they kept Sunday, uh, if, if they kept Sunday, then they were not truly solo scriptura. And this was how Rome tried to undermine Protestants at the council of Trent. It's a fascinating argument, but, uh, it was an argument that trickled down into many other books. Uh, the faith of millions by Jack O'Brien has some discussion about that, uh, where that is Saturday, not Sunday as specified in the Bible. Isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the church observed Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course it is inconsistent. But this change was made about 15 centuries before Protestantism was born. And by that time, the custom was universally observed.

33:23 They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the mother church from which the non-Catholic, sex broke away like a boy running away from home, but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair. Almost like an image carrying an image of the mother. So going back to all those different denominations you talked about, uh, maybe the answer isn't necessarily any one of those 30,000 denominations or in Catholicism, but in one Protestant denomination that actually keeps the commandments of God and has the faith in Jesus. And so, um, you know, one of the things that happened, uh, going back, Alex, to some of the persecution that you talked about, one of the things you talked about was, was some of that persecution. Uh, Protestants had finally had enough in many ways.

34:22 And we see an example of what took place. Um, you know, it was very sad what happened in France during the French revolution. People finally rejected God in many ways. And ultimately when Napoleon marched into Rome, taking the Pope captive, we find, oh, you're right. Actually, we have multiple documents here. So yeah, in 1798, this is the Anti-Jacobin or weekly examiner. So this paper is actually from seven. It's took a while to find, but this is actually from 1798 itself. Like it's a newspaper from them. And it's an, it's in English so that you can actually read it, which is cool. Yeah. It details, uh, in, in the meantime, the Pope is constrained almost like he's restrained once again, you know, um, and are rather allowed to fly.

35:23 And in consideration, his great age is permitted to take an escort of two officers with him. The papacy lost temporal power. Well, it's not just that though, but what's fascinating about this, this page is, it doesn't just, the detail that he was taken and, you know, basically lost his temporal power. It says it in a quite damning way. I mean, they, they really talk about him here in the most negative light. Um, the, and so this is, this is a commentary on what was actually going on at the time. So this is like reading up a political column, if you will. And it's discussing what other people are saying about this event, if that makes sense. So you kind of have to read between the lines. It's like reading, it'd be like reading a political pundit from today, if that makes sense. The papers contain a detail of the circumstances attending the entry of the French troops into Rome communicated in a message from the directory to the councils, which for stupid bombast and awkward pedantry rivals or exceeds the most disgusting throppities of the reporters of Rob Spierre.

36:27 The message begins by stating that two governments above all others have shown themselves hostile to free and Republican France, the cabinet of St. James and the theocracy of Rome. The history of England is reserved for some of the more pertinent occasion, but the history of Rome for the last 1400 years forms an essential part of the narrative of the transactions, which have brought on the downfall of the papal government at the present hour, an event which it now appears was intended to avenge, not the death of general DuPont only, but that of emperor Luis de de Javier, if I'm reading this right. There's also some remote reference to the hitherto unpublished crimes of the Roman emperor Tiberius upon this last cause of quarrel. However, no great stress is laid. And he goes on and on talking about how the, um, if I drop down kind of picking up in the middle, it says not content with having been for 1400 years, the most bloody perfidious, uh, let's see, murdering, massacring and assassinating government upon earth. Rome adds the two, the last crime to the black catalog with the death of general DuPont, the friend, and almost the brother-in-law of the French ambassador Bonaparte, who was killed in a tumult of the ambassador's own raising. So they're calling Rome the most bloody perfidious, murdering, massacring and assassinating government upon earth.

37:51 Wow. It, I guess, uh, you can see right here if this sentiment was, you can take a look at it. Yeah. Yeah. With this sentiment taking place in France, we see the rise of kind of atheism, atheism and, uh, the godless rejection, uh, the spirit of, of very much a Pharaoh of old who said, who is Jehovah that I should obey him. And unfortunately, because Rome distorted the picture of God, this is why you had people who rejected God entirely and said, if that's the way God is, I don't want to have anything to do with religion. Right. Um, are you familiar with how they, um, through the streets of France during the French revolution, they took a beer, that was on the backs of men, you know, with like, you know, staves that they would carry on their shoulder and on the beer, they, they had a throne and they would put a scantily clad woman in it. And they would parade her through the streets of Rome and say, we are now crowning the goddess of reason. And it was at that time. They also tried to change the work week away from a seven day work week. They were basically trying to go full atheists. We want to have nothing to do with God.

39:02 And that was a reaction basically, to the Catholic church to a large degree, because they were sick of the crimes of the Catholic church, which is what that details right there saying like, yeah, there's all these horrible things that have happened as a result of the Catholic church. Well, this fits perfectly with Bible prophecy because we know that a deadly wound is given, but what happens to that deadly wound? Where does that lead? What, what happens to the deadly wound is the, does the, the beast die? No, it's healed. Yeah, no, it gradually healed. Uh, and is still healing to this day. Although I would say it's almost, almost done. We can see a lot of Catholics getting back into political power. Yeah. Uh, but this is a newspaper article from New York times, uh, from 1929. Uh, and what we see right here is this, this newspaper was actually, this particular copy was released the very day that Rome began to get back some of her power once again.

40:01 So re reading right here from 1929, the Vatican to become a city state today, Mussolini will go there to exchange ratification of treaties, creating it. Ceremony will be simple. Bronze door closed since 1870 will open press comment, meager on Pope's criticism of two deuce. So it marked the end of the 59 year old estrangement between church and state and the creation of the Vatican city state as the ceremony will take place inside the Vatican. And the private, the department of Cardinal Gaspari premier Mussolini, who will go there in his capacity of foreign minister. So it's a fascinating piece of history here that details, uh, at least the union of church and state once again, or their, um, in terms of their power, which they have been seeking to grow ever since. But you know, what's more interesting is, um, if you go online, you can get a subscription to the website, uh, newspapers.com and you can actually pull up the microfilm, uh, microfilm, like the, the scan in of like old newspapers like this.

41:08 And they have a lot more on microfilm and on their databases than you can ever buy physical copies. Cause a lot of the newspapers are just not available anymore. But if you go back to 1929 on newspapers.com and you type in Vatican old wound, you will have dozens. And I mean, dozens and dozens of newspapers all the way across the United States and the headline, that they ran was old wound healed, old wound yield over and over and over. And so this, and this, this copy doesn't have it. The New York times one doesn't have it. And I wish it did. Um, and I'm, I'm still looking for a 1929 newspaper that has it, but, um, that's prophetic, isn't it? Yeah. Because you have the, them losing their power in 1798 and then in 1929, they regain power and all the newspapers, our publishing old wound healed old wound healed.

42:07 And now do I believe the wound was fully healed at that time? No, but I think it was starting to be healed. And I think that as time progresses, that wound has just continued to heal. Yeah. Now there's still, still some scar tissue there if you will, but, um, they're regaining the power at a prodigious rate. You know, one of the, one of the big issues though in the Protestant reformation was this topic about the Sabbath. It was one that was trickled down into catechisms. We've got catechism right here that mentions how there was no scriptural authority for the change from Sabbath to Sunday. This is a doctrinal catechism. This one's put out by Stephen Keenan right here. It's gotten them premature and I love debt on it. But what's interesting to me is when we look at what's going on today, there's, um, in the context of the, the Protestant reformation, the discussion on Sabbath and Sunday began to be recognized as a pivotal one connected to the mark of the beast crisis.

43:13 At the end of time in the 17th century, there was a court physician, Peter Chamberlain, who wrote a letter right here and they carry this around. Uh, it's rather large and enlarged here, but he wrote a letter to Archbishop Sheldon about the little triple crowned horn, uh, little triple crowned horns, change of times and laws, which being discovered, which times and laws those are good counsel may be taken from those angels that appeared to the beloved disciple John to blot out and escape the mark of the beast and return to the keeping of the laws of God as celebrated by those angels. Now, what I find interesting about that is there was, we very nearly had a big crisis over Saturday and Sunday in 1888 in the United States of America. So of course there was the Blur Act that almost went through making it nationally a prohibition against working on Sunday. Now it got shot down in front of the Senate Health and Senate Labor Committee at that time and shot down. It really didn't get fully shot down. It mostly just got not pushed forward. Right. Uh, but there was a lot of persecution for people in different areas of the United States for violating.

44:32 Those laws, Alex, um, you had the chance to collect some of these articles. Tell us what you found here. Well, actually I also have my wife specifically to thank cause she actually went and free searched a lot of this herself and she's really getting to be very good researching and compiling this way better than I could. But, um, you know, you had this push for a Sunday law with the Blair Act and then in 1895, just a few short years, about seven years after that Blair Act, the Blair Act was put forth. Um, you had some seventh day Adventists who were keeping the seventh day Saturday holy as in accord with the Bible commandment, the seventh day of the week as Jews had done for thousands of years before and for which there is no scriptural change to Sunday. Um, and they worked on Sunday and the work that they had to do was not anything egregious. There's accounts of them here, chopping wood, and going and tilling the ground in their fields on their own property, just doing normal work.

45:37 And they got arrested and imprisoned. Oh, wow. And so what's interesting, you know, we're here in the south here in, uh, close to Chattanooga. And I have a paper here from the Chattanooga times. Okay. So this is the Chattanooga Sunday times right here. And what is the front headline of the April 14th, 1895 Chattanooga Sunday times. Okay. So this is the Chattanooga Sunday times right here. And what is the front headline of the April 14th, 1895 Chattanooga Sunday times. I think this has Adventist. It says Adventist, something about the colony and Ray County observed the seventh day details of the trial and imprisonment of the leaders. They refused to pay a fine talks with some of the leading elders of the colony charge of the judge to jury, the peculiar form of belief and the biblical authority. They worked on Sunday, which was displeasing to some of their neighbors and that they were arrested.

46:27 Man. What year was this again? That's, uh, April 14th, 1895. Okay. And this right here, we haven't really shared this anywhere else. This is brand new. This is hot off the research. As far as I goes, nobody else is talking about this. And so my wife went through and she pulled, she started looking and she started pulling in different documents. And she found that in 1895, it was making headline news across the country, like properly across the country. So this is just kind of a compilation right here of all the different, um, articles out there. Um, and what's fascinating about them is they were put in chain gangs. Really? Yeah. You see right here. Oh man. Boston daily globe, Wednesday, August 7th, 1895 suffer like true martyrs, chain gangs and jails cannot break the spirit of seventh day.

47:23 Oh my goodness. What? And so there's a picture of them at the quarry in a chain gang, hard at work. And you go through, some of these accounts here and let me just read one of them here. Just a little brief excerpt. So you can kind of get the tone of what's going on here for a month or more. A number of seventh day Adventists had been confined in a Ray County jail at this place upon the charge of breaking the Sabbath. 19 indictments were brought against these men and other Adventists who live in gray Graysville, five miles below Dayton on the Cincinnati Southern railroad. And 10 men came to trial. They refused to employ counsel and argue their own cases with Bible in hand, affirming that the scriptures taught that Saturday and no other day, but Saturday should be observed as observed as Sunday. The trial attracted much attention and the scene was a notable one, but despite their pleadings, they were convicted of Sabbath breaking and find though the fines were very small.

48:17 They refused on principle to pay them and went to jail for served their time and got out today. The remaining five GW Colcord, a minister of the faith, WL Bert, Bert, Richard MC, Stuttgart, and DC plum and East Sabbath were, were pardoned by governor attorney and released from confinement. They were overjoyed and returned in hot haste to Graysville where a colony of Adventists had been recently established. This case has excited attention over the country. That's just one example, but this wasn't one case. There were multiple cases that were going on at the same time. And so, uh, another chain gangs, a popular thing back then. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Uh, an inkling of what, what church and state would result in can be drawn from the fact that nine good and pious seventh day Adventists are languishing in jail and at Dayton, Tennessee for working on Sunday, digging a well contrary to the laws of Tennessee.

49:12 And in St. Louis, they find chess Stotzer for shaving people on Sunday, contrary to the laws of Missouri. Okay. So, and, and there's this whole huge article right here. There's, there's honestly a lot of information here. You could go on and on. So I'll, I'll leave that for, for people to look up on their own. But, why bring this up? Why talk about this? Well, I think the reason why is look at what's going on around us today. You know, there's been a lot of supernatural phenomenon, uh, recently, but also, um, we're seeing elements of this discussion come back into, um, into, you know, the, the, the topics in Christianity today with legislation, we're seeing, uh, manifestos, like national conservatism with, uh, you know, many of its leaders talking about the Sabbath and the sacred as part of their manifesto, but also with project 2025. There's a lot of people that are familiar with that chapter 18 of project 2025, which Trump tried to distance himself from the entire, you know, heritage foundation manifesto. Of course, what's happened subsequently, all of the writers of it have been, uh, placed in different positions.

50:31 Positions of power or many of them at least. And, uh, many of them are still awaiting confirmation, but we can see how there is a push in chapter 18 to bring back Sunday legislation. Now it looks very mild initially with exemption clauses or toleration clauses in disguise. What do you mean chapter 18? Well, chapter 18 of project 2025 is, is, uh, about recommendations for the department of labor. And so back in 1888, this was a big discussion nationally. Uh, then with the blur act to bring about, uh, federal enforcement of blue laws. And there's kind of a push going that direction now today to bring what Rome recognized and established for a very long time as her sign of authority back in the days of the Protestant Reformation and even farther to institute that by law.

51:26 Now, in case anybody out there is like, wait, how do you know that's her sign of authority? Go to catechism.com. Two, one, seven, six, and you will find where they actually put forward Sunday as their outward sign of authority. Now, God has a true sign in Exodus 31, 17, but Rome has a, a counterfeit. Sure. Instituted by man. And so it's fascinating to see this, uh, come to the forefront of the discussion with Christian nationalism. If you're going to try and solve America's problems of morality and bring about, uh, you know, the 10 commandments, back to solve all of the secular problems with, uh, atheism and the godlessness of the left. There's now being calls to bring the 10 commandments in the public school system. Well, which 10 commandments are they going to be the ones that God originally defined himself in Exodus 20? Or is it going to be ones that have little changes and modifications so that it looks like it's true religion?

52:28 Then it's actually false religion. Right. So, you know, you, what you're seeing is echoes of what happened in 1888. Right. So you look at the timeline, you have Christ die on the cross. The disciples are persecuted for the first couple hundred years, burned at the stake, you know, lit the Coliseum by their flames. Okay. Um, and then you have kind of a subtle changing that occurs. Actually, if you look at, um, that book, actually, that you're, have right there, if you look at page 1297, um, it has a section talking about something that's interesting. It says out of reverence for the Lord's burial, we ought to fast on the Sabbath. So one of the things that's, that's of note is in the few hundred years after Christ's death, they weren't worshiping on Sunday for the first, at least 200 years.

53:29 Hmm. There's some discussion, some debate over that. But what we find is, uh, as Sunday crept in and in certain, uh, circles, you find this with the, uh, some of the Gnostics and some of the other individuals who observed the eighth day. Um, yeah. Irenaeus actually warns against, he warns against some of these people. But by and large, by and large, the majority of people were still worshiping on Saturday, the Sabbath. Okay. Um, um, but what you had them do is they started implementing things like this, like what you see on page 1297, which was out of reverence of the Lord's burial. We ought to fast on the Sabbath. And so what do you do by making people fast one day of the week? Well, it's not a very fun day. Right. Okay. Well then they would have people feast on Sunday. Uh, okay. And so you had this, this change where all of a sudden, like, and this occurred gradually, but gradually more and more weight was placed on Sunday.

54:28 Mm. And you have, there's actually discussion of this kind of back and forth about the two days in, in about the three hundreds. Okay. Then you have the Catholic church rising to power and you have 1260 years of persecution that takes place. This is the dark ages, right? And this is where they have total dominion, church state power combined out there, persecuting, killing millions. Okay. In the name of, of, of religion. And then you have the deadly wound. You have it in 1798, which we showed the document showing that the, you know, general Berthier goes in, deposes the then sitting Pope and he dies in exile. Mm. Uh, that deadly wound continues until 1929 when it starts to be, you know, healed. But you have this little movement that's taking place in, in the 1800s where you have a group of people that is keeping the seventh day Sabbath and they're being persecuted for it.

55:25 And in 1888, you have the Blair act, where they're there, they went out and they, um, they wanted to have this universal day of rest on Sunday. And, um, we found old newspapers as well on newspapers.com. Um, detailing that back in 1888. And they had a, a petition of like 6 million signatures. Wow. In, in preference to push forward this bill. Okay. Now 6 million signatures sounds like a lot, but it's a whole lot for 1888. And we actually have a newspaper right here. So we got all the old documents here. We're like all about the receipts, but we have a document right here from June 14, 1888. James, show this to the camera there behind you so you can see it better. Um, saying that, you know, that they had received the Blair, the Blair bill discussing Sunday rest.

56:16 And what was interesting about this is 6 million people signed the petition for this bill. Now you see it in the top right there, them talking about it. Um, 6 million people signed the petition. There was, there was only 50 million people in the country living at the time. So like, that's a lot of people getting on board for that. Now it ultimately doesn't go forward. But a few years later you have, you know, persecution occurring in 1895 of those who keep the seventh day Sabbath. And now there's so many echoes that are occurring between 1888 and now. So for example, who was Pope in 1888? It was Pope Leo. Who's Pope now? Well, Leo the 14th. Uh huh. And now it's before it was 13th, right? Yeah. Right. And so, um, in 1888, who brings this forward and where is this bill presented?

57:08 It's presented to the labor committee, right? Mm hmm. And, uh, the new project 2025 mandate that's coming out where they're talking about paying time and a half amending the fair labor standards act to, to pay time and a half on Sundays. Then it says it will default to Sunday. Mm hmm. That's going before the labor committee, correct? Mm hmm. The only president other than Donald Trump to serve two consecutive terms, uh, non-consecutive terms, um, you know, separated by time in between was the president in 1888. So you're seeing this like echo to the place. Do you, do you see what I'm talking about? Yeah, that is fascinating, isn't it? There's a, um, there's a author that I just found out here the other day who wrote a book back in 1900 about the last president. Mm hmm.

57:58 Uh, specifically referencing a mob that was going to storm, uh, fifth Avenue hotel. And, uh, the first in the series, the first book in the series was about, um, a son of a wealthy, um, entrepreneur or businessman or whatever by the name, uh, the son's name is Baron Trump. Really? It's, it's, it's just fascinating. Uh, Ingersoll Lockwood from 1900, specifically now fifth Avenue hotel has fifth Avenue hotel. Um, one of the hotels there is the Trump hotel now. Oh really? Yeah. Oh wow. So there's, there's, uh, it's, it's very interesting. You want to talk about like spiritualism and, you know, Oh, and the, the guide for Baron Trump was this entity named Dawn. Huh? So it's, it's just, it's, it's interesting. It's like, um, Hmm.

58:51 Are you talking about, doesn't Trump have a son named Baron? Yeah. Not the same Baron that we're talking about right now. No, no. I mean, obviously this was somebody writing about, but when was this? Sorry. 1900, like around the year 1900. Yeah. That's crazy. Baron Trump. And when the third book in the series, at least from, from what I've seen is, it's called the last president. And it's about this stirring figure from New York. And, uh, the very first place to get rated by the mobs is the hotel on fifth Avenue. Huh? Well, it's kind of predictive programming there. Yeah. It's kind of a little bit here. You were here. You heard about the priest who, or the, the, the hermit in Italy that was like, had a brick commission that knew that Donald Trump was going to lead America back to God. You heard about all that, right? No, no, that's a whole, that's a whole nother story. There was a, uh, a guy who was living in Italy at the time.

59:45 This is on several different YouTube channels. Um, and he was kind of a hermit. He would go to like all the different masses of all the different Catholic shirts, churches. And he was, he, he said that he was absolutely certain that God had brought Trump to become president. To lead America back to God. And this was before his first rides. Um, we were warned in the last days that there would be those who would call good, evil and evil good. But one of the things that I find interesting was if you go back to Gregory, uh, Gregory, the great actually opposed people who preached about the Sabbath in Rome, calling them preachers of antichrist, huh? Those who taught obedience to the commandments of God. Now, ultimately throughout the middle ages, Rome consistently did, uh, Sunday legislation in, uh, invalid odd. For example, in 1322, there were prohibitions against doing manual labor on the day.

1:00:37 So you can see where this kind of Sunday legislation pushed by Christian nationalism came from all of these councils. But we do find in the eighth century, there was evidence of peasants, not just Jews, but peasants, uh, groups that, you know, precursors and, uh, uh, to some of the reformers later on. Also, um, groups associated with the Waldenses who kept the seventh day Sabbath. Now, the, the concern that I have as far as Sunday legislation at the end of time and how it fits into the bigger picture of everything that's going on, you know, the concern that I have though, and just looking through the pages of history is one of the things that's happened in times past with this whole Sabbath Sunday issue is going back to the beginning at Laodicea. The, the, there was a decree that Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, an age old, uh, theological slur that if you are keeping the Sabbath, you're Judaizing when really the Sabbath wasn't made for Jews. It was made for man as Greg says.

1:01:43 Um, so there was a prohibition against keeping the commandments of God. In fact, it went so far that if you did not keep Sunday, you could be beaten with 100 stripes or as later on, there were also, uh, decrees, uh, you know, with people put to death who did not keep that. It reminds me of an image back in Daniel where there was a decree that all needed to bow down and worship that image on pain of death if you did not obey the decree. And so what I'm concerned about is Catholicism has a track record here of instituting policies, uh, protecting her, her sign or her mark here, uh, with coercion. And so it's going to set a test for the world. Will you obey God or will you obey men? And there'll be those who are misled from what I read in the Bible by signs and wonders. So when we see all of this stuff occurring in the skies, um, Satan's got an angle on this too, where he's going to do it.

1:02:56 He's going to do signs and wonders to try and deceive people and make them think that what they're offering is true worship when they really need to be going back to the word of God and relying upon the word of God for the standard on what constitutes true worship. So it's interesting. Alex, what do you think about that? I think, uh, you know, we read about this antichrist power that's going to cause all men to receive a mark in their forehead or in their hand. And that if they do not receive that, and it says he will cause them to receive this, right? Um, and without it, they will not be able to buy or sell. You know, you couldn't have done no buy, no sell very easily at any age prior to this. But now you have the technological capability, especially with the CBDCs, blockchain currency.

1:03:45 You have the ability that if that became the standard of, I mean, even Visa or MasterCard, you could shut it off, but you could more effectively can control people with, you know, things like CBDCs. So we have the, the framework that if you wanted to do something like that now you could. So we as Protestants are not holding to a new position. We're actually holding to an old position that the Pope, the papacy system, that people system is the antichrist system, not just an old system or an old, um, um, idea, but a biblical one. Oh, exactly. Sure. And, and the thing is, is, um, it's not, not denigrating, any particular Catholic. I'm not, not trying to, you know, say that all Catholics are going to hell or anything like that. But, uh, what I think is important to note is it is the antichrist system.

1:04:38 That system of worship is wrong. And so what is their mark? They, I mean, they say it themselves. What is their mark? They say this Sunday, the change of Sunday is their mark of authority. Authority. Okay. So then, well, what's God's true mark then? So, when you study that out, you start realizing that the battle that's going to be taking place at the end of time is one that's a line in the sand. Which side are you going to choose? Which day for worship? Who are you going to worship? And it's not so much just, well, you can worship God any day of the week. A lot of people will say that they'll say, well, I can worship God seven days out of the week. You can, but there's one commandment that says not to work and to honor that one day. Okay. So when we see this happen, how are you going to convince everyone to choose one way or the other?

1:05:29 Because the atheist out there is going to say, I don't want to worship on any day of the week. In fact, y'all can keep your days of rest. I'm going to go work seven days out of the week. Okay. And how are you going to effectively convince that person that, no, you really do need to choose. And the way you do it is with a threefold union. Okay. You can't get everybody to say, they're going to be Catholic. You've got too many people that are just like, no, I'm never going to become Catholic. You can't convince everybody to be Protestant or evangelical. Okay. So what you do it is with a threefold union of Catholicism, apostate Protestantism, and spiritualism. And the thing I appreciate about your channel, strange normal, is that you delve deep into that spiritualistic aspect, showing that the deception that's coming, because it ultimately, this all comes.

1:06:20 It's not like the Pope is the mastermind here. Satan is the mastermind. It's not like the Pope is the mastermind here. Satan is the mastermind here. It's not like the Pope is the mastermind here. It's not like the Pope is the mastermind here. It's not like the Pope is the mastermind. And he is the one that is orchestrating all this behind the scenes. And he has power to appear like a being of light, like a glowing ball in the sky, like a ship, an ancient ship with an anchor that's cast down to the earth. He has the ability to manipulate men's vision. I mean, go back to the Garden of Eden. We know it wasn't the actual snake who was doing the talk. It was Satan manipulating Eve's eyesight, manipulating her perception of reality, to convince her of a lie. And we know that that's what's going to be happening at the end of time. And so through that threefold union, your channel focuses on the spiritualistic aspect of it. And I really appreciate that. Our channel has more focused on the Catholicism aspect and the apostate Protestantism aspect and how we're leading the world, how the world is being led down this pathway of deception.

1:07:19 So one of the things that we focus on is doing Sunday law updates. And so you look in the news and when you start really looking for it, you're seeing a push like you've never seen before. You're seeing this swing towards Catholicism in political climates. Seven out of nine Supreme Court justices are Catholic now. You have Catholic VP. You have Marco Rubio. You have, even though some other people may not come out as Catholic, sometimes they'll have Catholic tattoos. They'll have Catholic imagery or they're heavily French. They'll have Catholic imagery or they're heavily French. towards Catholicism. You just had Biden as the second Catholic president ever elected. The first one was highly against any combination of church state power with JFK. And he was ultimately assassinated.

1:08:10 And so then you have Biden who is arguably, depending on how you want to look at it, which side of Catholicism he lies. But J.D. Vance is devoutly Catholic. So you're seeing this swing. When we have documents like we showed earlier that show the foundation of this country was Protestant. Yeah. And it was heavily against the Antichrist power, which they viewed synonymous with the papacy. Yeah. And so why are we seeing this? It's because we're all going towards a choice, a line in the sand that's happening at the end time. And this is, it's all the deception focused on that. Absolutely. Oh, wow. Wow. This has been very interesting. If there's one video on your YouTube channel that people should see, which one's that? The one, you know, James, we have a lot on there.

1:09:05 Which one would you say? You know, I'd say the one that, I don't know. I think my favorite so far that I think we've done is the one with Lennox, honestly. So, yeah, we've actually done one here recently that where we actually went and discussed with a Christian nationalist and had a conversation of where they're wanting to take the country. And we actually have, several more episodes scheduled before we're going to be doing more of that. Honestly, I think what the man said makes the case for us because he kind of says it himself. He does. Yeah, he says that that's where he sees the country going is legislating all 10 commandments, including Sabbath laws. And he believes that that would be on Sunday. And so it's not that we're trying to make these people say anything they're not already saying. We're just trying to say, listen, listen to them yourself. Yeah. And see where the country is headed. And so that video, we uploaded it. Oh, it's been, what is it?

1:09:56 Two, three weeks ago. Yeah, something like that. And it's gotten a ton of views. Yeah. Because people are like, wow, like this is eye opening. Yeah. So, you know, check us out, Heritage and Hope Ministries. That's our YouTube channel. Heritageandhope.org. And you'll see links to pictures of these old documents. And you can go on there and donate to help support us so that we can continue to get more old documents like this and continue to advance our cause. Very good. Very good. Man, what a blessing. To have all this information. And how did you acquire all this information? And has it been just a couple years? You know, God has really helped us because, you know, like I said, we only started doing this in August of last year with this one. This was the first book that we purchased right here. And all the rest, it's been scouring the internet. And it's amazing some of the old books that you can find for pretty low prices.

1:10:47 But then in addition to that, we're now having people that are reaching out to us. Like, so for example, this book, this book right here, this old catechism from the 1800s that's like basically falling apart, but it has some really interesting statements in there specifically about Saturday versus Sunday. Somebody just walked up to us and said, I'm old. I can't, I'm not carrying the torch any longer. It's now time for you to carry it. And I'm giving this to you so that you can show the world. And we're like, this book, these books have been sitting on a shelf for some of them, hundreds of years, so that they can proclaim a message and show something that's happening at the end of time. This book right here, I always, I always try and talk about this. This book right here was printed in 1559, 465 years old. 10 years after this book was printed, Dirk Willems, he was a Dutch Anabaptist reformer, and he did not believe in infant baptism.

1:11:48 And the Catholic church did not like him for that. And he was, he was imprisoned and he was in a castle that was surrounded by a moat and it was in the middle of winter. And somehow he managed to escape from his cell and he was fleeing away from these people that were persecuting him. And he ran across a frozen moat in the middle of winter. Okay, and there's ice and snow everywhere, right? And guards start pursuing him across the ice. And as he's crossing the ice, his guard, who's hot on his heels, falls through the ice water and starts to drown. And so now he's faced with the choice of run and flee to safety, you know, at the wood line that's, you know, up ahead, or should he turn around and help the guard who's drowning? So he turns around and he goes back and he drags the guard out of the water.

1:12:43 Well, as a result of that, they recaptured him. They recaptured Dirk and they took him back and they said, well, okay, well, I mean, he just saved this guy's life. Should we pardon him or something? And they said, no, he's still guilty. He's still guilty. And so they took and they burned him at the stake. Oh. And this was 10 years after this book was printed. And the wind that day blew the flames sideways. And so the fire wasn't, you know, weren't quite as hot as it normally would be. And normally you'd pass out from smoke inhalation pretty quickly when they burned you at the stake, but he didn't. And he sat there burning at the stake for an hour. And he sat there screaming, and you could hear his screams for like a mile or two away. There's accounts of it written at the time. And so you have somebody who gave his life willingly for someone who was trying to kill him.

1:13:37 And that was 10 years after this book was printed. You think about that's the spirit of Christ right there. That's what Christ did. He came and as they were nailing him to the cross, he said, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. I tell people these pages are metaphorically dripping with blood and the dripping with the blood of Protestants. They're dripping with the blood of true Christians who understood what Christ meant when he said, love those who persecute you and do evilly. And so, you know, they have a story yet to tell. They've been sitting in some castle or in some monastery for the last several hundred years. so that they can teach people at the end of time what's coming on this world. So check these books out.

1:14:30 You can see scans of them, full HD scans. You can see them individually on our website, and we're still trying to get some of them up there because we've been collecting them all so quickly. We don't even have them all on there yet, but we're trying to get them on there. So yeah, that's kind of what we focus on is current events, what's happening today in the political climate, what's happening today in society that's pushing us towards this coming precipice, and then how does it equate to the past. And I think the hope from all of this is, you know what the Bible says, when you see all of these events coming to pass, lift up your heads for your redemption draws nigh. And so we can look upon the fulfillment of the signs of prophecy with a sense of hope that Christ is coming back soon and we have not much time left. Will you close us with a prayer? Yeah, sure. So I'll go ahead and have a prayer real quick. Dear Father in Heaven, thank you for your many wonderful blessings and thank you for the ability to show these books and to show the truth of Jesus and to show how you have led through the last 2,000 years since Christ's death on this earth.

1:15:39 I pray that you would help us to get the message out there to people in the world, to help them understand the line in the sand and to choose you wholeheartedly without anyone else's interpretation, but reading the Bible for themselves and seeing the truth that it contains. I pray that you would please guide our hearts and our minds as we go from this place and thank you for your many tremendous blessings. In Jesus' name, amen.