0:08 We've only seen the public version so far, but here's what we can tell you. Government investigators seem sincerely baffled by what these things are. Today's report analyzed 144 separate sightings of UFOs by the U.S. military. But in only a single case could the government explain what it was. So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official saying, stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic. Correct. This is a person I respected tremendously. Very, very senior person. He told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop doing this. I said, OK, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is. And I said, OK, sir, so it's ours?
1:01 And he said, no, that's not what I'm saying. He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. I said, well, sir, I think I know what it is. It says, where are you going with this? And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. And what I've been trying to do is to use the special privilege that I've been given of getting access to a Harvard education and the law school education and with the Jesuits and all the different people and meeting, you know, Baba Muktananda and getting to meet all the spiritual leaders of our people on our planet is to try to develop a really intelligent, sophisticated, spiritually informed, but rationally developed set of policies for our dealing with extraterrestrial civilizations. Both of us, separately, without communicating, we're studying this and going, wow, there is something going on here. Since this is out, it's in Congress, and they're discussing this right now. This isn't conspiracy. Sure, sure. Something weird is going on here. Absolutely. Very eye-opening. A pillar of fire at night and confused Russian troops.
2:35 It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving? Heavenly help. There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship. There was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightning was starting shooting from the sky and like sparks were going, were like spreading everywhere. And then they, on the morning, they discovered that the whole, the whole machinery was destroyed. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders. And Jesus. Warns in the gospel of Luke, and it's repeated in the book of Acts, chapter chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens. And a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy.
3:30 So we need to know what the truth is, what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated. His view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently that invite extends even to Martians. We're now less than 16 minutes away. The strategy that burner von Brown taught me was that first, the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, when I met him in 74, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had killer satellites. We were told that they were coming to get us and control us.
4:25 The dirty commies, that whole story first, the Russians were the enemy against whom we're going to build space. Based weapons, then terrorists would be identified. And that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies. We now call them nations of concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would be needing to build space based weapons. And the next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it, asteroids against asteroids. We're going to build space. Based weapons. So it was funny then. And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final card. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card.
5:20 And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space based weapons against aliens and all of it, he said. It's a lie. 14 minutes, 30 seconds and counting. You know, there were no questions that prepared me for what I was about to get into. You know, people often say almost been fun and must make exciting. No, it was it was pretty sobering. You know, I like in this conversation to like having a conversation with a loved one about maybe cancer. Now, the good news is the diagnosis looks fine. You're going to recover, but it's a serious conversation. This is this is something that we are challenging people to reorient. evaluate their philosophical, psychological, sociological, and theological belief system. Anytime you ask humanity to do something like that, it usually takes generations. You can't just pivot because, for example, let's just take culture, for example, of a country. It's like an aircraft carrier. How long does it take to turn an aircraft carrier? Well, it takes quite a bit of time and a lot of effort and whatnot. Well, this topic is the same way because we're challenging people to reconsider, if you will, reevaluate their understanding of what they've been told about the universe and, more importantly, our place in it. These so-called alien beings are actually manifesting at times as dead relatives during the abduction experience to challenge a person's belief system as Christian theology in the idea that dead relatives can be talked to or even spoken to or that they're even around.
7:12 We have to be able to hear what we have to say. No evolutionary or religious belief system shows that this will end well by contacting these things. Evolution says that these things are likely to be superior and so survival of the fittest will destroy us. Religion says that these things are deceptive and dangerous and the evidence, if you want to include all the theory and all the stories of these sincere people, it says they've damaged crops, they have... mutilated cattle, they've abducted people beyond their will, they've messed with our highest security protocols, they enabled and disabled dangerous warheads, forced pregnancies, forced surgeries, burned victims, killed pilots and lied to people. And most experiencers have experienced at least one terrifying alien experience. So to say that these things, they haven't destroyed this yet, so they must be good, is to deny the fact that there might be a universal court saying these earthlings are purgatory. saying these earthlings are purgatory. protected here on Earth and that's what Christianity believes the Defense Intelligence agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs and among other things the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns paralysis and brain damage report also says that some people who saw UFOs experience quote perceived time suspension they also saw ghosts and other spirits in all that report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases whatever that means we passed the 11 minute mark now t-minus 10 minutes 54 seconds on our countdown but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief there is a professor for the Pope's uh University in Rome and uh he is a very highly respected intellectual uh his last name is tens niti and he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon not not right in the beginning we won't have to um deny our Christian faith in the beginning but there is information coming from another world and once it is confirmed it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it and that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia Mark t-minus 10 minutes and counting t-minus 10. hear what I'm saying about the nuclear weapons the ufos were turning our weapons on and just so russia could pick up that we're firing our missiles and fire theirs first it was a big chess game so these guys went into complete secrecy to start coming up with a defense system against this phenomenon there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are we can't explain uh how they moved their trajectory uh they did not have um an easily explainable pattern and so you know i think that we're uh people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is there are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet and keep in mind there are a basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe i mean you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there
11:39 but you've seen this and you've seen the data well no one knows but i think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else the mission of atip was quite simple it was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous uh aerial vehicles what i guess in the vernacular you call them ufos we call them uaps you know how this sounds it sounds nutty wacky look bill i'm not i'm not telling you that that it doesn't sound wacky what i'm telling you it's real the question is what is it what are its intentions what are its capabilities they told me that the reason why we're an experiment is because we right now breathe in walking talking peace treating my name is tom de long most people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called blink 182. i started a company called to the stars that eventually became to the stars academy of arts and science we are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about ufos in the papers today without all the stigma it's the first time that we had the videos properly declassified and because of that then we had information as far as speed eyes on target different radar systems different sensors that all corroborated what was happening people start to understand more about the ufo phenomenon and when they they follow what secret machines is going to teach them and mind you as we'll talk about this in a little bit it's not all coming from me it's coming from other people of the highest places the the term the occult in that whole world is much more a part of the ufo phenomenon than and and that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats there is a very very strong link between what people think demons are from the bible and other religions and the ufo phenomenon and what you have is something that doesn't like man period and something that feels um either jealous of or um has some kind of plan for what man is to be over the next 10 years i have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of jesus christ this is documented evidence but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect christian belief very soon not not right in the beginning we won't have to um deny our christian faith in the beginning but there is information coming from another world and once it is confirmed it is going to require a re-reading of the gospel as we know it and that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of vatican intelligentsia we're now passing the four minute thirty second mark in the countdown still go at this time and the priest uh told us could i have a bit more your time i want to do something very fascinating he says the grain plane the master's grain plane for harvesting the nations uh for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil so we continued you know after we express ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits and he said it's going to be done in a unique manner this this grain plan says is going to take people people are going to eat the stuff because it says spirits demon spirits will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it t minus three minutes and counting t
17:05 minus three we are go with all elements of the mission at this time we've just passed the two at mark in the countdown t minus one minute 54 seconds and counting all indications uh coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are gold guidance system goes on internal at 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds minus 60 seconds and counting we pass t minus 60. mysteries to the universe we were never meant to solve but who we are and why we are here are not among them ignition sequence five six five four three two one welcome back to strange normal my name is brad burnham we talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on and there's going to be a lot going on so hit that subscribe button hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen now tonight's episode is very interesting we've got a lot going on tonight and we just reached the end of the video and i hope you enjoyed it if you did give it a thumbs up and hit that subscribe button hit that little bell icon so you don't miss out on any of the next episodes tip of iceberg because we got a lot packed into this entire week but all that happened on our discord server and you can access that by going to patreon.com strange normal in that patreon we talk about everything that we're going to talk about on the show and more for the cost of a simple sit down restaurant once a month you can be involved in this community and helping spread the word about this coming deception if you don't know what that deception is watch starfallmovie.com go to starfallmovie.com to see that documentary now oh man we've got an amazing show tonight let me tell you but before we get into the show i want to introduce aaron and we have a special guest tonight steve walberg hello steve how are you doing hey there i'm good uh here in north idaho glad to be with you i'm excited to have you on the show this is actually the first time i've talked to steve aaron has uh as lives out there near steve don't you aaron yeah steve and i have talked a couple times i'm excited to to talk with you steve because we have a lot of questions tonight and i um i i know you're a your pastor out and can you say the state you're in again i idaho is it yes and we are in north idaho not too far from where aaron lives and we are buried in snow right now but oh it's good exercise shoveling snow so we like it up here and you you run a ministry don't um called white horse media correct yes that's correct white horse media we have a big youtube channel website facebook twitter we produce television programs and radio programs i give seminars i'm in our studio right now the guys i work with have put this together for me and it's just great to work with a wonderful group of people to help other people to know what the bible says about the challenging times in which we live and what we're going through live it's definitely interesting and um we we run this channel just as a theory channel and trying
22:40 to figure out what's going on because there's a lot of stuff that's happening in the news right now that it's it's hard to make sense of as christians um and we are looking at that um just through the eyes of the bible and saying hmm could this be something we need to take note of and so that's that's kind of where we're going with this whole channel we've been going for about a year and um aaron has been helping me out immensely because it's a lot of work trying to keep up with everything and and keeping uh all the all the show on the road but yeah that's why i have a team that i work with because i can do it by myself very good very good we have um we have a few questions i wrote out but then we had a slew of questions come in uh just before through our discord server of some of our um our friends out there that have have submitted questions that they they uh thought would be very interesting to talk to you about i sent you a separate email this is kind of the behind the scenes stuff that um we didn't get to talk about beforehand but yeah i got it i got your latest email and i read your questions and i'll do my best okay very good last minute stuff but i'm excited we have one clip to show um before we get started and we usually do this show uh with just me and aaron or me aaron mikey or whoever is in the in available at the time and um we have different clips that we show from the news and things that have happened recently or we talk about various people and so we have only one clip tonight because i know you have a limited time you're only here for about an hour and it's six o'clock seven o'clock your time seven o'clock so you have seven to eight so we're going to try to make this real quick but to set the the understanding of what's going on for any new viewers and stuff i kind of want to play a quick two minute uh news clip that kind of um helps people understand where we're at so far you mind of course no okay so here we go i'm gonna add this to the the stream accepting a mission that so far has proven harder than landing a man on the moon now hoping to help answer the mystery of ufos with a new study i think it's it's really exciting it almost feels like opening a new book nasa's announcement coming on the heels of a new office set up at the pentagon to investigate top secret encounters between pilots and unidentified aerial phenomena flying in restricted airspace there's a whole fleet of them but unlike the department of defense nasa says their findings won't be classified and could even include reviews of video captured by civilians what is going on right now up until recently public sightings have gone mostly ignored by the scientific community like this video captured by a film crew in the utah desert of an object moving at extremely high speeds having nasa be able to apply the scientific method to this and really um rule out what these aren't first and starting from there is huge nasa says they hope to eventually cross-reference credible sightings with solid data like satellite images or atmospheric records and as for what they are so far we've seen nasa say that there's no evidence that this is extraterrestrial life but does that mean that it's not extraterrestrial life i'm a scientist and if somebody asks me is this extraterrestrial life frankly at this moment in time the simple answer is the right one which is i don't know a promise to keep an open mind and boldly study what no space agency has thoroughly investigated before goddy schwartz nbc news los angeles so this is basically saying we don't know what's going on but things are being seen and we are willing to declassify them and say uh we hope this is not our enemies but this is something that we can't we can't really figure out and um we have i have a list of detailed questions i want to ask you steve but pastor steve but i um i want to get your thoughts on it first on what we just saw uh well yeah what we saw just in general we we've been having um i mean for instance i i don't know how we haven't talked before now so i i'm i'm kind of just uh feeling you out to see how how much you know about this because it's it's kind of dispersely in the news that these these things have been in uh talked about in congress they've been uh talked about by nasa and we just and it seems like the united states just doesn't know exactly what's going on i have a theory but i'm not sure have you seen this yeah well i've seen similar things and i'm probably not as up on the ufo phenomena as you guys are but i've definitely been exposed to videos and i've discussed this with others we've done at least one program on
27:18 the topic i've watched news clips i read the pentagon report that came out uh some time ago kind of taking the cat out of the bag and saying you know something's going on we don't know what it is and so first of all let me just kind of i'll just clarify my view uh just out of the gate that i definitely believe that there is a lot of supernatural activity that is going on around us there's no question about that uh and my conviction is that if if people don't read this book if they don't read the bible then they they really have no idea uh what's going on around us and what's going on above us and in the invisible world and so what what happens is they are they are very gullible to supernatural manifestations from the bad side that look good and if they don't have a way of of testing these things it's like a pair of glasses you know if you from my perspective if we've got a biblical pair of glasses on and we know what this book says about us then we don't know what's going on around us and so i think it's important to think about the battle between good and evil about good angels bad angels and about the devil and uh his master deceptions if we don't have that perspective then we approach everything from a from sort of a scientific standpoint that unless i see it i'm not going to be a believer i'm just going to be a skeptic and then when they see something that they can't explain uh that is is is a genuine manifestation of something from another world something supernatural uh then they'll become believers you know it's it's a little bit like if a person doesn't know what happens after you die and if they don't read the bible and all of a sudden you know one of their uh dead relatives in their bedroom one night that looks like acts like talks like uh you know the perfume might be the same and i've heard i know i've heard a lot of people say that the perfume might be the same you know people that have had experiences like this encounters like this well uh and and if they if they don't know what the bible says about death and about ghosts then they may think to themselves well wow now i know now i know my my long lost uh uncle bob or aunt sue or grandpa or whoever uh now i know that they're happy on the other side and i wonder what else they have to me about uh what's going to happen after i die so you know and they they're easily convinced when they see something that is definitely supernatural and definitely real and when we read this book a little more you know carefully uh then it it warns us so that we're not misled by what the bible calls seducing spirits there's a lot of them out there i think it's interesting amen there's two things that was the whole show brad there's two things that i think absolutely you mentioned that uh really tie this together there there's a mufon director who i've a good friend of mine mufon is is a called a mutual ufo network they're a group of volunteers that go around and investigate these paranormal things when they happen even the police sometimes contact them and send them out there's it's too weird for the the authorities to look into it and they're not going to be able to do it and he's a director of it he said there was one instance where uh this paranormal activity was happening and this lady said that her relatives would appear in her room after one of these quote i'm using my finger quotes uh for those that are on the podcast ears only abduction experiences and they were appearing as their relatives trying to do a sexual union with her and so these things it's really this is really interesting to me because they are relatives that these things are appearing as so it's obvious if they're doing something nefarious terrible and they're able to change and appear as someone that you know wouldn't do this this is a demonic activity and it has to be and so i i think i think that's that's interesting also um i saw a news clip with tucker carlson from fox news he was saying that these these instances are connected with um with paranormal activity and they're not going to be able to do this and that he talked extensively on that and had a lot of proof behind it so this this stuff is out in the media it's out out in the open now as as uh something that the general public is talking
32:14 about and people are wondering what is going on with this stuff um people have a couple questions for you about about that have you experienced anything that have been has been odd uh i'll leave it at that yes i have and i've i read that question a little while ago and i've i'm trying to decide which how much you want to disclose mention i'll just tell you you know one that was very bizarre uh a number of years ago i had become friends with a woman who grew up in a christian home but she left her belief in god and in the bible and she got pulled into uh into witchcraft uh the form of witchcraft called wicca which teaches that there's something that's going on in the world that's going on in the world that's going on in the world and there's such thing as white magic and dark magic so she got into what she thought was white magic she thought it was going to be something positive for her life she was going to learn how to cast good spells and how to improve her life maybe lose weight or you know do better at her job uh there's all kinds of spells like that in the in the wiccan world and so anyway um as she got deeper and deeper into witchcraft things became very dark for her and she began to sense that there were evil uh forces that were trying to get into her mind and into her her body and uh the battle was on and and finally it became so intense that she she realized that this was uh this was the devil that was working on her so she remembered her upbringing and she called out to jesus to to help her and to get her out of this uh this darkness that she was in so she she started you know revisiting her christian life and things started changing she started to improve some of her battles went away but not all of them and as as i became her friend i discovered that there were times when the battle was really intense in her in her mind and the dark forces would not let her alone and so one time we emailed each other and she and i sent her an email maybe with a bible verse or something trying to encourage her this was a while ago and then i got an email back and the email it was very short and the email said back off walberg she's mine oh what i'd never gotten an email like that before and uh and i you know thought about it and sent up a prayer and and i decided to write back but i didn't use my own words i didn't say anything you know that that was just from me i just basically wrote down a bible verse and let me find it here is romans better raise the hair on the back of your neck romans 16 verse 20 that says that the god of peace shall crush satan under your feet shortly the grace of our lord jesus christ be with you all amen so i wrote down that text into the body of the email uh just the text and then i clicked send send it right now and i sent it back to her and i sent it back to her and i sent it back and a little while later i got an email back uh from from my friend and at this point she was you know her mind was back and she wrote me back and she said steve did something just happen what just happened uh i don't remember anything and so i explained to i explained to her what happened and um you know at that at that point you know it was gone and she was back to herself now i've heard she's gone she's gone she's gone she's gone she's gone she's gone she's gone she's gone and uh i've heard many stories from people that are friends of mine that have had incredible encounters uh both with uh good and evil uh another just a friend of mine a good friend of mine jewish friend of mine who became a strong believer in jesus he was at somebody's house i believe it was in pennsylvania and there was a group of people that were there and it was actually the brother of a roommate of mine in college who was there and he was he had been taken over by evil spirits just like in the bible demonic demonic forces and so uh this other friend of mine his name is cliff and and the group they were they surrounded stephen that was the man's name that was uh under demonic possession and they were all praying for him earnestly that god would drive the evil spirits uh out out at this man and and at one
37:01 point uh stephen looked at my friend cliff and he said uh or cliff told him you need to leave in the name of jesus and then he he challenged him the the voice came out of stephen's body that just challenged him uh and then cliff responded back and he said you were defeated at the cross you have to go oh and and then this voice came out of stephen's mouth and the voice and this is what the voice said i still remember it the voice said how do you know we were defeated at the cross were you there and then it said and then the voice said we were there we were all there at and when he said that and cliff is a good friend of mine uh cliff told me he just it really just shook him and uh you know they he never forgot that so he told me that story and i remember one time i was uh years ago when i was going to college in riverside i was in a dormitory room and i was reading my bible and and all of a sudden i was actually on my bed and i felt this presence come into the room that was very very strong and it was it was a good presence but it was very powerful and i decided to myself uh i'm going to kneel down and i'm going to pray i think this is the presence of god and so i rolled over and i got on my knees and my bible was on my bed and i was my bed uh opened up to revelation chapter 3 verse 11 it was just laying there and so what i did was on my knees i still remember this distinctly i i reached my hand out toward my bible and it felt like i was just going through uh the air was very thick and i i reached out and i put my hand on my bible and i drew it over to me and then i looked down and i saw revelation chapter 3 verse 11 which says behold i am coming quickly hold fast what you have that no man take your crown and it was and these words just just jumped out at me like fire and it was like it was almost like an audible voice it wasn't an audible voice but it was so clear it was so powerful and i just knew that that god was talking to me through that scripture and he wanted me to hold on to his word and hold on to the things that he had been teaching me. And, you know, it was very real. It was very powerful. I know it wasn't just my imagination. I know that there was a presence in that room. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, I could tell you many, many other stories. So I know that God, I know there's a devil. The Bible is very clear about that. I have no doubt that we are in a supernatural, we're in a conflict with supernatural forces. Do you have any comment on that, Aaron, or otherwise? Yeah, I mean, it sounds like our friend, Pastor Steve here has done some, he's been through the dirt. He's been out there.
40:23 That's fantastic. Wow, fascinating. That's a lot. That was three stories, right? So, so in other words, Steve, yes, you have had some pretty crazy experiences. Oh yeah. And I felt, I have felt other, other times, evil, the evil presence. I felt, you know, there were times when one time I was laying down on my bed near San Francisco when I was a pastor out there and I felt it was just like a, like hands were around my throat, just trying to, trying to choke me. And I remember just, you know, I could hardly breathe. And then I, and then I called out, you know, Jesus, Jesus, help me. And then boom, it was gone just like that. Steve, right there. So earlier we were talking about the scientific method, something our friend Joe Jordan talks about a lot and hasn't, you know, has opened my eyes to is that if these scientists or these ufologists would use the scientific method, they would find that time and time and time again, people who experience these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these, you know, these crazy, uh, strange supernatural encounters can stop them using the name of Jesus. That is what the scientific method shows. What do you have to say to that? Cause that's what it sounds like you've experienced. Yeah. Well, I think it really depends upon the person, whether they're willing to believe that or not, you know, people, um, people can believe what they want and they can, and they can argue till they're blue in the face. Uh, even if, you know, there's, there's evidence right in front of them, if they don't want to see it, they're not going to see it. You know, it reminds me of a, of a, an account in the Bible where there was a man that was dead for four days. Uh, his name was Lazarus. And at the end of Jesus public ministry, uh, he went to the tomb where Lazarus was, uh, was buried. He'd been wrapped up in, in grave clothes and they rolled, uh, some kind of a rock, which was typical back then. And, uh, he was buried in a grave over this, uh, this tomb, this rock tomb and his Lazarus's sisters were around there and other people were there. And Jesus said, roll away the stone. And so somebody rolled it away. And Lazarus's sister said, it's going to stink. The smell's going to come out cause he's been dead for four days. And then Jesus prayed a prayer. And then he looked into the darkness of that rock tomb and he said, Lazarus come forth. And then there was a stirring in the tomb and this, uh, you know, body came out wrapped in grave clothes, looking like a mummy. And Jesus said, uh, you know, take the clothes off them. They're the grave clothes and let him go because now, you know, he's, he's alive again. And there was a whole group of people there that saw this miracle. They witnessed it. And some of them were, they did, did not want to believe that Jesus was the Messiah or the son of God. And they went back to the Jewish leadership, to the Sanhedrin.
43:27 And they told them what happened. And they said, well, we're going to go to the tomb. And they told them what happened. And, and then they had a meeting and they decided we've got to kill Jesus and we've got to kill Lazarus because we can't have this evidence that Jesus is really the son of God going around. And in that case, I mean, it was just, I've thought about that. I've thought, you know, even if someone is resurrected from the dead right in front of you, if you don't want to believe, you're not going to believe. So some of it depends upon evidence. Some of it depends upon science. Some of it depends on these different encounters that people have, but a lot of it depends upon a person's own internal disposition, their own, you know, willingness to accept, right. What's right, what's right in front of them. And if you don't want to, you know, you've heard the expression, a man convinced against his will. He's got the same opinion still. Yeah, he's got the same opinion still. So, you know, people believe what they want to believe, even if the evidence is right there. Absolutely. I want to go back to what you said about your, when you were asleep and you felt those hands around your neck. One of the questions that we had in our, our discord server, some of our friends that have submitted questions said that they wanted to know your opinion on sleep paralysis. Is it a disorder?
44:56 Is it a disorder or is it a spiritual attack? And if you, if you've ever experienced these type of events. Yeah, I read that note and I think, I guess I want you, first of all, to explain a little more about what sleep paralysis is, what people consider it to be, because that's not something that I'm very familiar with. Understood. Yeah. Well, I, I, the whole reason I got into this topic is because I experienced it and I've been a Christian my whole life. And I, I was wondering what just happened here. I, I, I dove into this topic thinking there has to be something behind it and something happened. I wasn't living my 100% Christian lifestyle back then, but I mean, our attacks come from every which way, even Jesus, the Bible says Jesus was the man of many sorrows. So he had spiritual attacks against him as well. But what I think is interesting is that when I was asleep, I awoke and I couldn't move my body and I know I was awake. No, I was, it wasn't a dream. And it was a very cold sensation that was over me. And a fear was in my body and I couldn't, I couldn't explain it. And after a second, it went away and it would happen night after night for about a week until I said, I'm not going to touch this topic anymore. I don't know what's going on, but every time I know what's going on here, I know what this topic is. I'm not scared of this stuff. I'm not having terrible dreams about this stuff, but something is coming into my room and telling it and, and, and it is, is affecting me.
46:26 When I wake up in the morning or when I'm asleep at night and causing me to have terrible chills and terrible fear when I'm laying in my bed for a moment, I, I didn't think about reaching out to Christ, but I should have. Yeah, Brad, you and I have both have had these experiences with sleep paralysis and in my, um, just on my own time in my study of where we get the word nightmare from. Interesting enough, you don't find the word nightmare in the Bible, although there are some dreams in the Bible that say, I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. We might say, oh, wow, that's a nightmare. Well, those are not nightmares. Those are dreams and visions. This word nightmare we get from this, um, this concept of a, of a, it was an evil female spirit. Um, it was known as this, this feminine spirit in the 1300s, um, um, that would hover over men in their sleep and suffocate them and, and, or give them this feeling of suffocation. So it's where these, these, these spirits, And they were called nightmares. So it's really interesting. We kind of throw this term nightmare around. But where did that come from? You know, and so when I was coming out of the new age, I had a lot of these what people would describe as sleep paralysis.
47:40 But I think that there is something that happens when these evil entities interact with you on a almost spiritual or even physical level during your sleep. That is the gist of the concept of the nightmare. But it's an old English concept. And we say if we have a bad dream after eating pizza, we say, oh, we had a nightmare. But no, once upon a time, a nightmare was a very serious spiritual thing. And it was a very serious spiritual encounter. So when I hear of alien abductions for an example. Those, you know, people getting taken in their sleep. Those are nightmares. That is a spirit being coming and influencing your mind and putting these thoughts in you and giving you these visions. And even in some cases doing physical things to you, they would be in that category. And they, yeah, they are totally stopped when you call upon the name of Jesus. Yeah, well, based on, you know, that description of what one of these sleep paralysis experiences involves. It would be very, it's very clear to me that Satan and his angels and the demonic can easily be involved in those kind of things. Now, you know, I'm the first to admit that not every strange experience that somebody goes through that they don't, you know, sometimes people have mental problems.
49:03 Sometimes they have, they're sick, you know, have a disease or sometimes it's a combination. And Satan works through sickness and he works through mental illness. He can cause mental illness or just, you know, chemicals in the brain, genetics. Life is complicated. It's not all, you know, one thing or another. But like I mentioned before, when you believe in the Bible, then you have the glasses on that shows you, like Paul said in Ephesians chapter six, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers. Yeah. Against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places. And then it talks about the fiery darts of the devil. And so the Bible is very clear that Satan is real.
49:56 Jesus knew that when he, in his ministry, he encountered one man in Mark chapter five, who was possessed. This man was crazy living in the tombs, no clothes on that he had been bound and he broke his chain. He had supernatural strength. And when Jesus got off a boat, they had come across the lake and they got onto the shore. This man came out of the cemetery and ran up to Jesus. Just, you know, he looked like he was going to attack him. And then Jesus looked at this man. He didn't run away. He had no fear. And he said, he said, what's your name? And then a voice boomed out of this man's mouth. And the voice said, my name is Legion, for we are many. Oh. And Legion was a term that applied to a group of Roman soldiers back in the first century, between three to 5,000 troops. And so, and then Jesus drove these, these spirits out of this man. And they, they went out of him and they, they went into a group of pigs, a herd of pigs that were grazing on the hillside. And these pigs, now that the demons were in them, they all, as a, as a group, they rushed down the slope. They went off a cliff and they went into the water and they all drowned. Now, there's no way that you can just associate your, or interpret this to be just a psychological problem. There's a lot more going on there. Because you've got these demons going into the pigs. I don't know if you've ever heard the expression deviled ham. I think that's where it came from.
51:30 Devils going into the pigs. Hey, yeah. But it was very, you know, it's very clear if you accept that account as, as real. That this was more than just. A psychological drama. And I can see the same thing with, with sleep paralysis that, you know, people can be under direct demonic attack. I believe I was when I felt these hands gripping my, my throat, trying to kill me. And then I called on the name of Jesus and that was it, you know, that they were gone. That's right. Fascinating. You know, talking about this same line, we had another question that came in that asked. How are, and why, I guess is the better question. Why isn't this spoken of more in churches? Why aren't these, these strange phenomenon mentioned?
52:22 I mean, people are, what I'm, what I'm experiencing, what, according to statistics, I think these are move on statistics. I'm not sure. Maybe someone in the chat can, can verify this, but I think it was two in five people have experienced something like this happening in church. Oh, church people, not just regular individuals. Yeah. Christians. You might be thinking of CE4 research, right? They've done a thing where they specifically took a look at Christianity and the experiences of the supernatural, especially the alien abductions. Is that the one that you're thinking about? And I might not have those statistics correct. I think, I think so, but there, there's a significant amount of people in the church that have experienced these things. And so I'm wondering, the person was asking, how can we. Uh, talk about this more without, you know, talking about the devil too much, but only the devil too much credit, but at the same time, we want to, uh, tell people there is some help and there is something that's going on here.
53:23 Yeah. Uh, Aaron knows that the two of us go to the same church in North Idaho. That's where we met. And I've got a speaking appointment there on December 17, and I've decided to make my, my topic, uh, aliens. So I'm going to be talking about it right there in the church. We'll record it. We'll put it on our YouTube. I'll give my perspective based on the Bible. And so, you know, I think that there are some people that are talking about it. You guys were talking about it, but obviously there, there are other places where they don't talk about it. You know, many churches, uh, they kind of stick with things that are more mainstream, you know, I mean, when you look at different Christian churches, you've got every kind of, of church out there, you know, the continuum is, uh, is, is, is broad. So you've got. Bible believing churches that are willing to discuss these kinds of things and that, uh, recognize some of the things that are going on in the supernatural world. And they, they, they, they want to talk about these things and bring it up so that, so that others, uh, can be warned about demonic deception.
54:27 And then there are other churches all way on the other end of the extreme that, you know, they may, people may come to church, uh, on Easter and Christmas, you know, twice a year. And, and they're very liberal and they don't really. Get into, uh, controversial topics. And so there's everything going on within, within Christianity, just like in every, any other religion. Uh, and so, you know, why don't, I think one reason probably that some people don't talk about it, even in Bible believing churches, because they just may not be aware that this is going on because it's not being discussed very often in mainstream media sources. And so, you know, maybe they're not up on the alternative, uh, sources on YouTube and different places. Maybe they've never heard of, uh, strange normal and they've never found your websites. So they don't know. How dare they, I'm just kidding. You know, you're right, Steve.
55:26 I think that typically in Christianity, we're sometimes I feel like we're three to five years behind on, on certain things, whether they're topics or technology or adopting different ways of presenting, you know, media. I think it took the church a little longer. Yeah. It's weird because, you know, the Christianity we're responsible for the printing press. You would think that we'd be more at the front lines when it comes to, um, you know, spreading the word and, and, and knowing what's happening in the publications and in the news and whatnot. And I hear a lot of people today who are overwhelmed, who are frightened, who are scared. And there's a lot of, you know, well, that's uncomfortable. I don't want to be bothered by these things. There's, I mean, we've got, you know, pandemics going on. We've got politics going on. Like now aliens. I don't want anything to do with it. A lot of it depends upon the pastor.
56:15 You know, he's the spiritual leader. And does he get into these kinds of topics? And like you said, you know, there's with the pandemic and we live in an age where it's information overload. We're getting, we're being bombarded with so many topics and issues and politics and all these different things that are going on. You know, people have to. to pick and choose uh what they want to focus on and so this is in the mixture it's one of the uh you know things that are in the mix but there's a lot of other things that are appealing to us to to grab our attention and you just have to sometimes you have to at least for me i'm learning that i have to limit myself and not expose myself to anything and everything uh as as the director of white horse media i get a lot of emails and people send me videos and books and they say look at this talk about this what do you think about this and you know i'm a family man i do have you know i've got a public life and a private life and i also boundaries yeah you just have to have boundaries and so our it man recently did a few little things on my phone so now it's very easy for me to uh filter out emails that i don't want to get and it's it's a breath of fresh air to me to you know get up the next day and look on my phone and rather than seeing 30 or 40 or 50 emails you know i might have two or three so my life is a lot more manageable that way and i i like to you know exercise and spend time with my family and you've got to just you gotta you gotta toggle uh you know what you're gonna focus on and for my ministry you know i if i if i continue to just put my mind into all these different things that are happening i really don't get i won't get anything done i won't be able to produce our own programs i won't be able to write any more books because all my time is just being absorbed so you have to pick and choose but i i wanted to come on your your program because i believe that this is a significant topic and this is worth addressing and that's why i'm here and speaking along those same lines um since these recent events have happened in the news and stuff and all this is coming out in in congress why do you think this is another question that was submitted i'm going to combine two questions because we're running short on time and why do you think these uaps are showing up with so frequency now and what do you think about the three unclean spirits that uh look like frogs in this revelation 16 13. mind if i read that real quick sure okay it says uh and i saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet for they are spirits of demons performing signs which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world to gather them to the great battle of that day of god almighty what are your thoughts on that yeah and then in verse 15 jesus says behold i'm coming as a thief blessed to see that watches and keeps his garments which has to do with his righteousness and his forgiveness lest he walk naked and they see his shame and then verse 16 says he gathered them together into a place called in the hebrew tongue armageddon and armageddon is the is the word in the bible for the final battle between the forces of good and evil and as you read verses 13 and 14 describe the build-up toward the final battle and i think these things are increasing because satan who is behind the devils he's the prince of the devils he knows that he's running out of time revelation chapter 12 verse 12 says woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea for the devil has come down to you having great rage or wrath or fury because he knows he has a short time and as we're getting closer to armageddon into the final day jesus will return what i see happening is satan is picking up the pace you know he's just increasing
1:00:45 his demonic activity as god allows because he knows he's running out of time and he wants to gather the world on his side and these are very sober verses i've read them many times i've spoken about them you have you know these different uh spirits of devils working miracles the problem is that people who don't believe in the bible they don't read the bible they don't read this text they don't know uh that when they see a miracle or something supernatural whether it's a dead person apparently coming back or whether it's an alien or something in the sky a ufo or some encounter you know with a being they think is a being from a faraway galaxy or you know any one of a number of scenarios and they see a miracle or something supernatural they don't automatically think that they're going to be saved or they're going to die or they're going to die maybe this is a spirit of the devil they don't think that because they're not reading these verses it says they are the spirits of devils working miracles so people see the miracles but they don't even think that there's devils behind the miracle so without even realizing it they are susceptible to being misled and to be gathered on the wrong side that's a way of estimating the bible and that type of psychology is different than to start abusing it and it's not it's justbaiting or doing it you know just railing or doing something he did to people that are оперated by devil and so these the letters theメ 새 개녜 것으로 are and they execute that blood aching state they change words they do things and and false truths or false truths i guess that doesn't make a lot of sense but you find that one of the errors taught by these spirits is uh the immortality of the soul i find it really interesting that a lot of these so-called alien contact alien encounters always wield the message that human beings are immortal and that when you die you don't really die you're you're you know you just become this form of energy and you join the rest of the either the universe of the galactic federation but any testimony that i've heard from someone who's in the the ufo movement the alien movement they all have the same an alien came and told me i'm a god or i'm immortal and so i find it interesting that a part of the mission um you know of these three unclean spirits going throughout the world is that they're introducing false worship in spiritualism to the world and that is you know supposedly a sign that we're in the last days and i just i mean that's so profound when you think about that these entities who are masquerading as these beings from other worlds they love to talk about how human beings have an immortal soul so yeah you mentioned a rabbit trail there but yeah no that's okay you you mentioned the book the great controversy and i happen to have it just sitting right here and uh i i was just reading before this interview uh this one sentence in the chapter called the time of trouble it says fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens in token of the power of miracle working demons and then it quotes the verse that you just quoted in revelation chapter 16 verses 13 and 14 and and it says that the the spirits come out of the mouth of the the dragon and the beast and the false prophet and each one of the spirits come out of the mouth of the dragon those deserves you know a lot of study to know what each one of these represents but the dragon uh it says in revelation chapter 12 verse 9 that satan is called the great dragon and the old serpent and the devil and satan and the serpent idea takes us back to the garden of eden where the serpent appeared uh in the tree to to eve and then a voice spoke through the serpent it was actually satan working through this reptile in the tree and he told eve uh that she would not die because god had previously said if she ate the fruit she would die you will surely die god said he said four words genesis 2 verse 17 if you eat the fruit you will surely die and then in genesis 3 verse 4 the serpent countered that and said use the same four words but added
1:05:31 a fifth word in the middle and said you will not surely die interesting you will be like god your eyes will be open and you'll become like god so there's the first sermon preached on the immortality of the soul and it came from a serpent in a tree and the serpent denied the word of god and said you won't die but you'll become god in other words there is no death and we're all gods little gods and it's it's so significant that that exact teaching is what is being taught today around the world by these spirits by the aliens by the ghosts by the spirits by the spirits by the spirits by the spirits by the spirits by the ghosts uh by the spirits of the dead you know they say there's no death and you are your own god and to me that is a uh a tell a red flag more than a red flag it's proof that these spirits are not who they say they are but they're just the same you know it's the same voice that spoke to eve uh through a snake in a tree it's the same spot on steve you said it's proof is the scientific method right there if you take all of the data and consider all of these testimonies of what people are saying you hold the bible to it and you scrutinize it you will see that it is the same tactic and it's almost like you know like satan's just confined to using slimy green things because you have a snake in the garden and you have these little green aliens coming around but they have the same message you know what i mean i mean it's that's totally relevant the same message that he gave to the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit of the spirit 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resurrected and that's that that's what jesus is all about he he is really god and he became a human and he gave his life on the cross for our sins he took our sins he paid a horrible price experiencing the consequences of those sins the justice of god against the sins and then he rose from the dead uh to give us hope and then he went to heaven and he's going to come back again and those who believe in him they're going to be resurrected from the dead so the bible does not teach the immortal soul and human godhood it teaches that we're mortal and that jesus christ is god and that he paid the price died and rose and went to heaven and is going to come back and through faith in him if we humble ourselves through faith in him we will be resurrected uh when jesus returns so that's what the bible teaches and yet people don't know that because they don't read this book that's 100 evil spirits instead of the holy spirit through the bible i think the an excellent parallel is also satan came as a snake as a deception in the beginning whether he spoke through the snake or became manifested as a snake in the end he's also going to pretend to be something that he's not going to be and he's not going to be something that he's not going to be not whether it be your dead relative or manifesting as these uaps in the sky i think he has the same tactics and he's using the same old thing there's nothing new under the sun as solomon says wow isn't that interesting brad that he didn't appear as himself he appears as masquerading as something else something that god has created um so yeah that's really interesting i wanted to lead up to that and you've probably already asked this pastor steve but what it what it says uh what someone asked you is uh what bible verses would you recommend for people who want to help others who are confused about the origins of aliens aliens as in the the deceptive things that are down here on earth things that appear and say hey i am an entity that is from a far distant galaxy how would you tell them that this is not what they think it is sure well there there's a lot of bible verses but one that comes to mind that i think is a great place to start is in revelation chapter 12 verse 7 to 9 which gives us the truth about the big picture and why there's even suffering and struggles and death in this
1:10:31 world verse 7 says there was war in heaven michael and his angels fought against the dragon and the dragon fought and his angels and they put the dragon and his angels prevailed not neither was their place found anymore in heaven and the great dragon was cast out that old serpent called the devil and satan who deceives the whole world he was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him and these three verses help us to understand that we are in a cosmic conflict that started in heaven it was a and it was an war between God and Satan. Satan was originally a beautiful angel named Lucifer, and he rebelled. He became proud. He exalted himself against God, wanted to take the place of God. And so some of the angels decided to go his way, and other angels decided to go God's way. And there was a war, and Satan and his angels lost, and they got kicked out. They came down to the earth, and Satan entered the serpent and deceived Eve, and Eve gave the fruit to Adam. And they both ate, and that opened the door for the devil to come into humanity. And that's what's been going on for thousands of years. We've been in a struggle between God and Satan, between good angels and bad angels. And that's why Jesus came to die for us, and to rise from the dead, and to deliver us. And so you got to understand that basic picture that there's no way to understand anything about what's really going on as far as the big picture unless you accept the big picture.
1:12:10 The biblical view of Lucifer and his fall and his angels, and the struggle between the good angels and the bad angels, you know, those are the glasses through which we look at the world. And once a person understands that, and that the devil, it says, the serpent deceives the whole world, he and his angels, then you're prepared to understand that the aliens and the spirits of dead people, and other things that, you know, are out there, that these are not what they seem to be. But these are evil angels up to their tricks to deceive the world away from God. Fascinating. I have kind of an off question, but I want to ask you, because this is a question that comes up quite regularly on the channel. And I have to admit, there's a lot of controversy about the fact that there's a lot of controversy about the fact that there's a lot of controversy about the fact that there's a lot of controversy about the fact that there's a lot of controversy about this one in the comments. And so I debated whether or not I was going to ask you, because I don't want to get off on too much of a tangent. But is there any evidence of good, righteous aliens? In other words, God created other planets with good people that haven't fallen, not people necessarily, but entities that haven't fallen yet in the Bible. Yeah, good question. I was thinking about that, that very thing a little while ago. And in the book of Hebrews chapter one, it talks about in verse two about God making the worlds plural. He made the worlds. And so I believe there's a big universe out there. And there's other worlds besides this world. And the book of Revelation gives us a window into the universe. And so I believe there's a big universe out there. And heaven and into the throne room and the headquarters of the ruler of the universe.
1:14:14 And there are other beings up there. It describes these four living creatures that have eyes all over their bodies. And they have different, they have wings. And who knows? I mean, I don't know exactly what they do. They might be kind of like heaven's database that has all this information that they supply to the government of God. I'm not exactly sure. But it does show us that there are other beings out there that are not human. And there are angels. It says in Revelation chapter five, there's 10,000 times 10,000 and thousands of thousands. So I believe God has a big universe. There's other worlds out there. There's other beings that are not human. But biblically, all of those beings that are up there are unfallen beings that are up way, way up there. They're unfallen beings that are loyal. To God, I've often thought about these big, huge NASA ears like SETI, where they can hear or what's going on up there, any sounds from outer space. And if they got far enough into the throne room of the universe, they could hear a big angelic choir singing, worthy is the lamb and glory to God. And they're praising the Lord. But they don't get that far up.
1:15:39 And so I believe there's lots of beings up there that are unfallen beings, but they're loyal to God. They're not strange looking, scary reptilian creatures that might show up through some spaceship or show up in your bedroom and abduct you or scare you to death. So the good angels are up there. The bad angels and the good angels are down here and they're fighting. They're in a conflict over us. I don't believe that Satan has any access anymore to the other worlds. And so any, any being that comes down in some spaceship, you know, it's not going to be, if it looks strange and weird, and if it's not praising Jesus Christ and honoring God in the Bible, then we know that it's a fallen angel up to it's up to Satan's tricks. Absolutely. Absolutely. So back to this angelic database thing. I'm just kidding. You know, somebody in the chat, Steve said that, that, that they hope that it will be faster than 5g. Well, you know, yeah, it's, it's the Gabriel is in the, in Daniel chapter. What was it? Chapter nine. As soon as Daniel prayed his prayer, boom, he flew swiftly down from heaven and he was there. And so God is not limited by 5g. He's got a whole, a lot more power. And, you know, people, it's amazing that people are a lot more willing to believe in the demonic than they are to believe in the Bible. You know, why do we have a tendency to, to believe things that are false, but we won't accept things that are true. God has given us plenty of information in his word. He's given us all we need to know about the invisible world and about the battle between good and evil. But if you don't want to accept that in, in, in second Thessalonians chapter two, it says, because they don't want to love the truth, it says a strong delusion will come to them.
1:17:43 And the same chapter talks about Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders and all deceivableness of unrighteousness that comes to upon people because they refused to love the truth. People don't want to love the truth if they don't want to really learn what's right. And many times it's because they don't want to change their lives. It's because they have habits and things that they like to do. And so, you know, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it give us is ever going to really make us happy anyway. And if we want to be happy, fulfilled, if we want to live forever, develop our powers, our mind, our bodies, our abilities, to have a great social life with heavenly angels and to live forever, you know, this is the path right here. And if we reject this, then it's just going to be very dark. Absolutely. Well, I deeply want to respect your time. And I know we're hitting the top of the hour. So I know you have to go and your staff, whoever's there with you, that's helping. Nobody's here with me. It's just me. Oh, man. Well, I appreciate you coming out and being up late because I know it's after hours even where you are. So I really do appreciate you being on the program. And I want to compliment you. People won't care probably on the program, but I recognize how good of a lighting setup you guys have out there. It looks really good. You're skintight. It's fantastic. And so I think this is not my doing. Like I said, I have a team of people that I work with. And our producer's name is Jaime Galvez. And our IT man is Jeff Kyle. I was going to ask where he's been tanning because there's nothing but snow out there.
1:19:49 So I'm the content guy. So I can sit down and I can talk and I can teach the Bible. But if it wasn't for them, none of this would happen. And they set it up so that even when they're gone, I can just, you know, come into the studio. Turn on the light. Switch. Switches. Put my laptop on. And here we are. So I'm thankful for a wonderful team of people that I work with. And I know that it's God's blessing. You know, since I became a Christian 43 years ago, the Lord has blessed me. I've got a wife and two children, a 14-year-old daughter and an 18-year-old son who just started college. I live out in the country and I just feel so blessed. And I know that it's because God has been good to me. And I just, I want to encourage anybody that's been watching this to give God a chance in your life, to put this book first. Surrender your life to the Lord. And if you do, you won't be sorry. That's for sure. Absolutely. Can you have a little prayer with us? But before you do, I want to tell the rest of the audience, don't go anywhere. We're going to be on here for another half hour. We're going to be answering questions in the chat, Aaron and I. But I want to say goodbye to Pastor Steve. And so he has time to get back to his family and his wife. Yeah. Thanks so much, Steve. It's been really cool. You make me want to get a plant and read my Bible more.
1:21:15 Yes, there you go. Well, good. That's what I hope to do. So yeah, let's have prayer together. Dear Father in heaven, thank you for the privilege of being here on this program and talking about the Bible. And I hope that you have a great day. And I hope that you have a great day. I hope that you have a great day. And I hope that you have a great day. And I hope that you will bless what we've done, our conversation and the dialogue that Aaron and Brad have with others who are watching this after I leave. And we just pray that you will impress everybody that's watching this or will watch it. Watch the recording. Impress them to give you a chance to try Jesus Christ, to try the Bible, and to pray for the Holy Spirit, Spirit, Spirit of God, to guide their minds and to help them and to give them peace and power and strength to do what's right and to stand up for you in these very difficult and challenging and confusing days. Bless this channel and their efforts to help others, we pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much, Pastor Steve. I look forward to talking with you again, maybe in the future. I have like a hundred more questions. Oh, we got so many more questions. But if this problem with the UAP thing expands as we think it might, is it okay if we call you back and maybe have you on the program to discuss further? Yeah, sure. I'd love to do it. And if I had more time, I'd love to field questions. I like doing that, you know, to dialogue and interact with your group.
1:22:57 So maybe we can do another time where that's all we do. We just answer questions. Excellent. All right. And your website is? Whitehorsemedia.com. Whitehorsemedia.com. Okay. Yeah. And our YouTube channel, just go to YouTube and type in White Horse Media. White like the color, horse like the animal, media. That's us. Perfect. So can people find your upcoming alien sermon? Oh, good question. On White Horse Media? They will be able to. You can also watch that on our YouTube channel after I give that talk. And in the church that we both go to, they have good recording equipment. So your church will record it, our church. They'll record the talk. And then White Horse Media will grab it. And then we will upload it onto our YouTube channel. And then I'll probably send out the word to our supporters through our e-newsletter list and people can watch it. Great. Cool. We'll look out for that. We'll put the links down in the comment section. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. And that'll be December 17. That's when I do that. Great. Perfect. Can't wait. Thank you, guys, very much for the opportunity. Yeah. Take care.
1:24:12 Take care. Good night. Bye. All right. Just me and you now. Wow. That was cool. Man, that could have easily gone on for another two hours. I had so many more questions. And I just thought, you know, we're going to get to some of them. We're not going to get to them all. And actually, I didn't even go over the questions that I originally had that I sent you. I know. Yeah, I was thinking, well, I just I just went over the questions and only got a little bit into the questions that were sent to us through the chat and discord. So I think that's that's fascinating. What he gave us was a very biblical view. And I really appreciated what he did. Let me see. Let's I want to look really awesome. There's some. So I want to highlight this comment here.
1:25:04 Eric Alder, who's always got the wisdom bombs he's dropping. So he says that I think that Satan's side feels closer here on Earth because it's under his temporary rule. We have to actually make an effort to reach for God if we don't. Satan is already there. Isn't that I mean, that's that's profound, man. That's that is a profound thought. Good thinking, Eric. I want to see it. I want to find that. Hold on to that screenshot. That again, because I can't find that in the chat. I'm looking for it. Just scroll up just a little bit. Not too far. It's an Eric Alder. Eric, Eric, we're talking about you. He's got a really good thoughts. I think we should start calling him Eric Alder quotes instead of Eric Alder comments.
1:25:54 Quotes. Well, I can't find it. Maybe it's in a different a different area. No, no, no, no. It's there here. It's should be YouTube after you got it. Look, if not, I'm going to send this to you right now in admin so you can copy and paste, right? Yeah. Usually I can pick it up just by searching for it. Yeah, because reading it, I feel like just doesn't do it justice. You also have to read it for yourself. I sent that and then discord. So you should have it there. But yeah, it's not too I mean, it's you're probably getting Facebook's comments too. So you might have to scroll back a little bit further. It's right. I'm going to turn it around. Okay, there are five laughing emojis. Look for those. It's right above that. Oh, yeah, I see that now. There, I found it. Bam. I think that Satan's side feels closer here on Earth because it's under his temporary rule.
1:26:46 We have to actually make an effort to reach for God. If we don't, Satan is already there. Yeah, you know, I think but Jesus also said that he will never leave us or forsake us. And so I, I know that for a fact, God is there. If we pray, just like the what he talked about in the how Gabriel, he said, as soon as you prayed, I was I was sent and I flew or I don't know if it says flew, but he was there. Yeah, he was there. I, I'm very curious about exactly how everything works when we get to heaven. Do they have angels? I mean, do they have do the angels have wings? I don't know. But apparently there's databases. So I really want to know about I'm going to this Sabbath. I'm going to pick his brain about this. I'm like, the first thing I'm going to see. I'm on Sabbath. Hey, happy Sabbath. By the way, tell me about those angelic databases.
1:27:37 You know, it's funny. I've never really heard it described like that. I mean, what I like about that idea is just that, yeah, there are things in heaven that we can pretend all day like we understand what they are and how they work. But for all we know, when the Lord is with the Bible is describing an angel, he could be describing an entire kingdom of angels. You know what I mean? And we just don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. How we see through a glass darkly, I think, is what it's true, what Paul says. Right. So we just don't know exactly everything about it. But we do know that there is one way we can find out, and that is by by getting there. And so we can't do it on our own our own works. But Eric's got another question. And I'm the Texas far away. I need to zoom this in because I feel like I'm seeing Eric's because they're just longer. There we go.
1:28:32 I'm sure there's other questions. I was wondering during the show how the interfaces with the idea that angels don't always protect God's servants from demonic attacks. A X sleep paralysis. What do you think? Oh, sorry about that. And speaking of sleep, right? Just kidding. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the only my first thought is that there is some open door. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the only my first thought is that there is some open door. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the only my first thought is that there is some open door. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the only my first thought is that there is some open door. Yeah. So that's that's an interesting one. I mean, the only my first thought is that there is some open door. loud in their life um that's obviously the easy answer to say oh it's that person's fault they've opened a door i i take somebody's word for it when they say no i'm not doing anything you know wrong i don't have anything weird in my house but i'm still having these experiences every now and then i'll meet somebody who says i'm still experiencing these things what do i do i feel like i'm doing everything i'm supposed to be doing and um yeah i mean my my first thought is that there is some lingering lingering there are some doors that are open that have not been shut in their life and i know that sounds cliche or a little too easy but i that's that's how i swing on that one brad yeah doors that have been shut you know we were talking about that at work today how we should probably get rid of the things in our lives from our um old man now old i think that's the way the bible describes it our old self that uh are will remind us of that maybe even attract us back to it just get rid of them throw it away it might even you know invite those demons whether i'm using the word proverbially or not back into our lives and so i think it's very important to close those doors but yeah that's that's 100 yeah there's a lot we don't know and just comfort for those who are worried you know and like steve was saying not really important for people to understand um pray you have to you know you have to seek the lord and and i loved everything steve was saying about you know how how important it is for us to be reading our bible because i mean the even the apostles were not without being harassed by evil entities there was a demon there was a devil in their group walking among them you know um jesus called him out sure he said one of you is a devil and i'm not saying that i actually believe that he physically was the devil but he you know he was possessed by these demons these demons were influencing him and um i don't think christians are without you know that harassment and i don't neither do i espouse espouse this belief that once you become christian then you're just left alone um i think things get more strange than they do normal when you absolutely absolutely like i i often uh people often ask me well you know what was your spiritual life like when you were experiencing this sleep paralysis and i i that's why i always bring it up i always say hey look just because you are a christian doesn't mean you're not going to be harassed you're still going to be harassed i mean god protects you um and looks after you you when you are a christian but he looks after all people there is something to say about the christian though a righteous man's prayers will avail much but i i definitely believe that um if just because you're a christian doesn't mean you're you're you're safe you're still you're
1:32:15 still living this terrible world and we still have to uh keep our our faith closed and not be tested you can do what my my wife does you know if she's ever woken up out of her sleep and something you know goes bump in the night she gets on her knees immediately i mean no matter what it's for she will not go back to bed unless she prays first and i'm like wow that's that's really awesome be like that lady be like that woman that's really good that's really good yeah no it's awesome keeps keeps us covered we got we got lots lots to cover i still had a let's see i i needed to ask him about what is the other things i wanted to ask him yeah he just sent me a text by the way he said he'd like to post the link i believe he's talking about to this video on their youtube channel if that's okay does he want to upload the whole video or does he how does he want to do it maybe on the community tab he wants to do it yeah we'll find out we'll get that solved um we'll figure out how he wants to do it yeah there's a way to i think add videos from other channels to write something like that i would really like to do i would love the promotion because you know i think this topic is very important and we want to get this out as far as possible in fact that's a good segue into something i've been wanting to tell the rest of the community here and uh that's that i think should do a giveaway in support of doing a uh uh building our subscriber base and that's the the whole goal is to hey share this video with your friends and and hit that subscribe button get people to subscribe to it and the more we grow the more subscriptions that you post we'll get a a program to help us um know just how many times you've shared this how many times you've you've gotten subscriptions and all this other stuff you like a referral link yeah you'll be entered into uh this raffle and you could get some very pricey items possibly and so stay tuned to what those items will be but they're going to be uh they're going to be good ones brad's giving away his car what are you driving tesla his tesla i'm just kidding brad does not have a tesla that i know of i don't have a tesla i don't think anybody in this group wants a tesla hey i like teslas but i think this is the gas uh crowd gasoline good old american oil america no i i like tesla i i like i like that stuff but that's right so uh a good idea from the chat i'm giving away this toothpick toothpick getting harassed in the chat for having a toothpick i busted it out while steve was talking this isn't a toothpick this is a thinking stick there you go there you go thank you no but but the goal is to try to try to build the subscriber base out so that we and and i'm talking to you the rest of the audience we need to hit subscribers and try to get to more people and the more you spread this message the more we can do that and we want to try to encourage that by doing a giveaway by doing a raffle and uh so um in the next episode next week i hope to have that nailed down and what we're going to be doing what we're going to be giving away and um it's going to be good you're going to want these things and so hopefully we can do something like that stay tuned you won't have to hit the the m on the b we're going to have something a little more complicated you know they were getting ready a little more um uh not complicated but um uh technologically advanced i guess so but i uh i'm always looking for ways to try to to reach more people and i think that's one one way that's worked quite well for others so yeah what's next on the agenda should we sign off here or should we continue did you have anything what is uh what is our our group out here wants what do they want so everybody wants free neural links that's what they want we can't give those out and i i'm not going to be a beta tester i'm not going to be um a early adopter of the neural link but you know what's really important to to to know listen guys this is my own thing this may not even be brad's thing you ready for this brad oh brad are you gonna say fanny packs no no no no i'm just on this neural link thing so i am not one who believes that the mark of the beast is an implant microchip i'm not a person who believes that there's a lot of friends and christian friends that i know and even non-believers believe in the mark of the beast there are people who are not even christian that talk about like oh that thing's the mark of the beast um i don't believe it's a microchip i think that i don't care what type of brain computer interface technology comes out
1:37:02 and controls the world i am really not like if not me a non-believer okay somebody who does a脆 digital chip analysis correspondent wing as dough there you're right three alien x formatsoo personally do not think that that is the mark of the beast i do believe that there could be a there's a symbolic truth to what is happening in the spiritual realm but the mark of the beast is something that is about worship the thing is is hear me out all right i know somebody might try to cut that up and say oh you know strange normal doesn't believe listen i know hippies hippies yep that's right barefoot people who walk around in the woods who don't even own a cell phone wow and i have yeah christians who come to me and say well i'm not going to get the mark of the beast microchip it's like oh really is that so i mean you've got you've got social media you've got i mean i'm telling you so it's not about you know the thing that you put into your body it is about the the whole point of it being in your forehead and in your hand is that it is in your thoughts and what is that all about has to do with your work it has to do with your worship who you serve and i do believe it is a spiritual mark uh ce4 research says it's a spiritual mark spirit recognizes spirit no implant needed exactly i've made that point before brad that um someone says well how else are they going to know who to persecute i'm like have you read the bible demons can identify people just fine yeah it's you know it's fine they can go around and say oh tell like um you know we know who jesus is and we know who paul says but like who are you guys um that happens you know in the bible where these spirits can identify and recognize who's with them and who's against them so you don't need something to be branded on you something to be implanted into you so don't freak out about this neural link um if people start chipping their brains and uploading their minds into the internet i'm not telling you go out and do it i don't think i would but i don't think it's the mark of the beast but i don't think it's the mark of the beast and right i think that um you can just easily get something to gouge that chip out of your you know your head or your your ear behind your hand or something like that so i just that's a soapbox speech but brad i just feel like there are some people who are on edge and they're just anxious and they're just like oh no elon musk you know i'm surprised nobody's really said that he's the antichrist yet but you know satan is the master magician you know i think what he if if i were the devil if i were the devil this is a what this is a uh a quote from oh what is that there's a book that talks about you know if i were the devil or if the devil was was me um if but if i were the devil i would do something that was a sleight of hand i would do something that everyone thinks is the mark of the beast and then present it over here and while they're looking over here like a hand trick yeah i'm going to slide something in that they don't even expect exactly that's the problem surprised if something came out that was a chip that was a barcode that was you know what everyone is a infusion injection into your skin of nano whatever that people are going oh it's the mark of the beast right and as people are looking over here they're like i need to i need to get back to god and then they fall right into the some kind of worship style of that that ends up being the style of marketing i believe it talks about it's so yeah it's like a lion playing with its prey you just just kind of just toying with it before it eats it and uh someone says here this is a really good point brad it says um your soul won't transfer to a robot it's so simple right your soul is not transferable with this idea that you can astral project it's new age this idea that you can fly on a broomstick is a you know witchcraft thing this idea that your soul could be you know taken out of your body and put into something else um and that man can do that and that is is very erroneous you know we should not be having those types of beliefs and the the the foundation of that idea is believing that your soul is something that's separate from your body but the the bible says that man is a living soul it's it is one thing and when you die you did that's it that's absolutely absolutely um people are asking about Starfall cards I'm actually uh giving out and I need to make this announcement too man there's a whole bunch of things I need to tell the folks that uh are from ce4 research are officially shipped and it's my fault I haven't gotten those out for so long because I've been trying to figure out how to do media mail online it's impossible and so I got them out including the one that went international and that was expensive I don't know if I'm going to do that again but it is going it's going to um oh what is it where is it going
1:41:54 I just broke the address down but um it's all going out and it's uh it's you're going to receive it hopefully in less than a week here the ones in udawa which is where I live um we'll be getting there tomorrow so be looking for that in your mailbox I'll be personally delivering those because that's local here we have uh four of them that are going out around here so uh that said I got one more announcement too Starfall 2. um we are building I originally made Starfall 2 in a in a um people are asking about this in the comments so I want to want to tell you the the the second one where we talk about much more detail about what's going on will be happening but it's happening after I build uh the studio back that I had in California because it's right now I can't do much because I have to be working while I'm at work in the other studio so I uh we're going to wait on that a little bit and we'll be having that come out soon but I have to wait to do some special effects and that's all I have so that's it all right um yeah really good really good that was so nice to have Steve on man he's he's a good dude I love I love being able to go to church with him anytime I can um sit in a Sabbath class with him I'm just all ears so so good he's he's really good at making it very simple and biblical he does the seminars too around here and they're super good people come non-believers you know that's how that works this all makes sense now he's really good at getting you know people thinking I mean there is there is people I thought it was pretty neat the last one I went to with him there was like I was sitting in a row with some guy he smelt like cigarettes and just real rough around the edges looking guy and he's just like eating it up just like dead focused on this sermon that he was preaching I was like yeah this is really good I really appreciate it yeah sorry good one cut you off I was just gonna say you know when you get the burly dudes in there it's you've got a good sermon so absolutely yeah no what I liked about it is he kept the whole thing focused on Christ the whole time and that's that's what I really he said you know what you got to read this thing you got to read this thing you got to read this thing you got to focus on the Bible because that's that's essentially the whole goal is to hey you got to know what's going on in this thing don't focus on what Satan's doing focus on what the Bible says here and you won't be deceived and that's that's the whole goal that's the whole message right there so it's really interesting but what time is it we got five minutes until we usually close um I think we should start shutting down because I got let's wrap it up I got work tomorrow and uh you got work tomorrow and you wake up earlier than I do so yeah that's it's um it's kind of crazy all right let's uh let's have a little prayer cool go for it Father God thank you so much for bringing us together tonight thank you for the audience and and their their schedules and their allowance to share this message and uh and and listen to uh what our ramblings have on here on here as we talk about the current events and we have different speakers on here to to talk about uh their view and understanding of God's word your word uh that is uh relevant always relevant to what's going on today so guide us and direct us guide our audience channel to grow so we can reach more for you and spread the word about your soon coming we love you God amen amen thanks Brad thanks for having me again always a pleasure praise God hey all right take care and I think that's it over and out see you Brad until next time peace until next time