0:07 We've only seen the public version so far, but here's what we can tell you. Government investigators seem sincerely baffled by what these things are. Today's report analyzed 144 separate sightings of UFOs by the U.S. military. But in only a single case could the government explain what it was. So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official saying, stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic? Correct. This is a person I respected tremendously, a very, very senior person. He told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop doing this. I said, OK, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is. And I said, OK, sir, so it's ours? And he said, no, that's not what I'm saying.
1:09 He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. And I said, well, sir, I think I know what it is. It says, where are you going with this? And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. And what I've been trying to do is to use the special privilege that I've been given of getting access to a Harvard education and the law school education and with the Jesuits and all the different people and meeting, you know, Baba Muktananda and getting to meet all the spiritual leaders of our people and our planet is to try to develop a really intelligent, sophisticated, spiritually informed, but rationally developed a set of policies for our dealing with extraterrestrial civilizations. The showings of the angels or the showings of God always showed up as orbs of light or things like that. And today we see this as we see these as we call them UFOs. Maybe again, the things that we have peopled our religions with in the form of spirits or gods or what have you, are really just these things showing themselves as they appear to be now.
2:39 Religions have made conclusions about the data have become set in their ways. And that is frankly what sets up this potential conflict amongst the religions, because they've all come to a conclusion and they're trying to prove the other one wrong. A pillar of fire at night and confused Russian troops. It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving heavenly help? There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship, like there was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightnings was starting shooting from the sky and like sparks were going well, like spreading everywhere. And then they on the morning, they discovered that the whole the whole machinery was destroyed. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders.
3:38 And Jesus warns in the Gospel of Luke, and it's repeated in the book of Acts chapter chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens. And a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy. So we need to know what the truth is, what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days. We're now less than 16 minutes away. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered the enemy. In fact, when I met him in 74, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies. We now call them nations of concern.
4:31 And the next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the. Final card. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is a lie. No, I'm not talking to you about this. What am I going to tell her or him? You know, these little kids, you know, 10, 11 years old. Yeah, that there's a force that exists out there that can control our environment, that can put thoughts in your head, that can lie to you, trick you, deceive you. Say that to a 12 year old.
5:28 I mean, we're already saying it to a certain extent. 14 minutes, 30 seconds and counting. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently that invite extends even to Martians. You know, the first time I heard that was in the early 90s. You know, there were there were no questions that prepared me for for what I was about to get into. You know, people often say almost been fun and must be exciting. Now, it was it was pretty sobering. You know, I like in this conversation to like having a conversation with a loved one about maybe cancer. Now, the good news is the diagnosis looks fine. You're going to recover. But it's a serious conversation. This is this is something that we are challenging people to reevaluate their philosophical, psychological, sociological.
6:24 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00. And theological belief system. Anytime you ask humanity to do something like that, it usually takes generations. You can't just pivot because, you know, for example, let's just take culture, for example, of a country. It's like an aircraft carrier. How long does it take to turn an aircraft carrier? Well, it takes quite a bit of time and a lot of bit a lot of effort and whatnot. Well, this topic is the same way, because we're challenging people to reconsider, if you will. Re evaluate their understanding of what they've been told about the universe. 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, and more importantly our place in it what do you think that was just a hallucination or to be perfectly honest a demon yeah that's my understanding of ghosts any anything of that kind of sort I don't I don't I was in the kitchen by myself and I felt it come up next to me and I said out loud I said God whatever this is that's been posing as grandma for the past seven years in Jesus's name get it away from me and never let it come back and it hasn't been back since these so-called alien beings are actually manifesting at times as dead relatives during the abduction experience to challenge a person's belief system as Christian theology in the idea that dead relatives can be talked to or even spoken to or that they're even around to be able to hear what we have to say no evolutionary or religious belief system shows that this will end well by contacting these things evolution it says that these things are likely to be superior and so survival of the fittest will destroy us religion says that these things are deceptive and dangerous and the evidence if you want to include all the theory and all this the the stories that of these sincere people it says they've damaged crops they have mutilated cattle they've abducted people beyond their will they've messed with our highest security protocols they enabled and disabled you know dangerous warheads forced pregnancies forced surgeries burned victims killed pilots and lied to people and most experiencers have experienced at least one terrifying alien experience so to say that these things they haven't destroyed us yet so they must be good is to deny the fact that there might be a universe of court saying these earthlings are protected here on earth and that's what Christianity believes we passed the 11-minute mark now t-minus 10 minutes 54 seconds on our countdown both of us with at separately without communicating we're studying this and going wow there is something going on here since this is out it's in Congress and they're discussing this right now this isn't conspiracy sure sure yeah absolutely what's going on here absolutely very eye-opening the Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs and among other things the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns paralysis and brain damage report also says that some people who saw UFOs experienced quote perceived time suspension they also saw ghosts and other spirits in all that report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases whatever that means Mark t-minus 10 minutes and counting t-minus 10. but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief there is a professor for the Pope's uh University in Rome and uh he is a very highly respected intellectual uh his last name is Tanzaniti and he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon not not right in the beginning we won't have to um deny our Christian faith in the beginning but there is information coming from another world and once it is confirmed it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it and that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the
10:48 highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia hear what I'm saying about the nuclear weapons the UFOs were turning our weapons on and then just so Russia could pick up that we're firing our missiles and fire theirs first it was a big chess game so these guys went into complete secrecy to start coming up with a defense system against this phenomenon there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are we can't explain uh how they moved their trajectory they did not have um an easily explainable pattern and so you know I think that we're still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is there are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet and keep in mind there are a basically a billion Galaxies in an ever-expanding universe I mean you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there but you've seen this and you've seen the data well no one knows but I think that the probability is that there's something that we would call life somewhere else the mission of a tip was quite simple it was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous uh aerial vehicles what I guess in the vernacular you you call them UFOs we call them uaps you know how this sounds it sounds nutty wacky look Bill I'm not I'm not telling you that that it doesn't sound wacky what I'm telling you it's real the question is what is it what are its intentions what are its capabilities my name is Tom belong people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called blink 182. I started a company called to the stars that eventually became to the stars Academy of Arts and Science we are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma it's the first time that we had the videos properly declassified and because of that then we had information as far as altitude and speed eyes on Target different radar systems and sensors that all corroborated what was happening people start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon and when they they follow what secret machines is going to teach them and mind you as we'll talk about this in a little bit it's not all coming from me it's coming from other people of the highest places the the term the occult in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon than and and and that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats there is a very very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions and the UFO phenomenon and what you have is something that doesn't like man period and something that feels either jealous of or has some kind of plan for what man uh is to be over the next 10 years I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ this is documented evidence but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief very soon not not right in the beginning we won't have to um deny our Christian faith in the beginning but there is information coming from another world and once it is confirmed it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it and that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia we're now passing the four minute 30 second mark in the countdown still go at this time and the priest told us could I have a bit more your time I want to do something very fascinating
15:48 he says the grain plane the master's grain plane for harvesting the nations for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his calls just before the close of the Greek controversy between the forces of good and evil so we continued you know after we express ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits and he said it's going to be done in a unique manner this this grain plan says it's going to take people people are going to eat the stuff because it says spirits demon spirits will take care themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet Earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it t-minus three minutes and counting t-minus three we are go with all elements of the mission at this time we just passed the two minute mark in the countdown t-minus one minute 54 seconds and counting all indications uh going in to the control center at this time indicate we are gold guidance system goes on internal at 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds t-minus 60 seconds and counting we passed t-minus 60. trees to the universe we were never meant to solve but who we are and why we are here are not among them ignition sequence style six five four three two one welcome back to strange normal my name is Brad Burnham we talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on and there's going to be a lot going on in fact there is a lot going on so hit that subscribe button hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen oh and hit that like button too because that helps us out a lot in fact it brings in more live viewers which we want we want to spread this message as far and as wide as possible we have quite a lineup tonight and I wasn't able to be able to get I don't know what I'm saying here we weren't able to get the complete um what's it called uh map tonight of everything that was gonna be done but I guarantee you you're gonna love tonight's episode it's going to be a wealth of information let me just bring in our guests tonight hello everybody let me introduce you one by one at the top right is Chris Lang Chris Lang is a producer he's produced a number of amazing documentaries I'm gonna I'm gonna get through this I'm gonna have you all talk individually in just a moment guys uh on the bottom left is Stephanie Stephanie's been on our program before she has a quite a story in fact she's featured in one of um Chris Lang's documentaries coming out here pretty soon we're going to talk a little bit about that and last but not least of course is Deb Debbie she is one of our amazing contributors and Patreon members she does a lot of the
21:38 research on this channel and she's she's really good at it so we are thrilled to have her because she's done a major study in something that parallels a story that Chris Lang has already talked about in one of the uh um uh one of his documentaries and uh tonight um man where do I start oh you know what I should start with guys I'm going to start with the news because the news is fascinating just recently uh CNN uh aired a a video from Ryan Graves. And you've heard of Ryan Graves before because he has been on, well, we've talked about him on different podcasts here. And what he has said is probably nothing new, but he is so far out there in talking about this that CNN's picked him up. And we should at least listen to see what mainstream media is talking about right now. So let's watch that. Let's see what's going on. That Chinese balloon that floated across the continental U.S. got a lot of attention and somehow it eclipsed other weirder unidentified flying objects. Former Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves has a new article in Politico titled, We Have a Real UFO Problem and It's Not Balloons. He joins me now. Ryan, I'm with you. I mean, you've seen weirder things than, say, a Chinese balloon while you've been in the sky, yes?
23:34 Certainly. We've seen things that we haven't been able to explain as simply a balloon. And as we've been talking about the various objects that have been shot down over the U.S., there's been a pretty clear bifurcation between what we've been calling a Chinese balloon and what these other three objects are. And while we don't know what they are, the fact of the matter is we should know what's above our head at any given time, whether it's a national security or not. And we should know what's above our head at any given time, whether it's a national security issue or whether it's a scientific question. We need to figure out what's above our heads. That video that we just showed, was that from your squad? Yes, that was in 2015 while we were aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida. We were doing training missions, preparing for our combat deployment. We recorded that object as well as other objects that were operating in our vicinity on a regular basis. And we simply didn't know what they were, but we did know that they were a safety hazard for our air crew and for our training missions. And we've been looking for the right way to report and deal with those issues ever since. With the Americans for Safe Aerospace, we're going to be pushing legislative action to ensure that the proper policies are in place so that pilots and aviators, both in the military and in the commercial markets, feel comfortable reporting these things. Whether, again, it's a national security issue, we need to pay attention to make sure there's no security gaps or whether there is something unknown. We need to inquire on that. But Ryan, what was that?
25:00 That's what we're still trying to figure out. So what we know is that it wasn't one of our aircraft that we were operating within a vicinity of. We're fairly certain that it's not a foreign adversary at this point, but it still remains in the unknown bucket. And the primary issue here is that there are enough things that are in that bucket of unknown that the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office within the DOD and various senators and congressmen and women are looking into this matter. From the angle of national security in a way we haven't had before. With the recent shootdowns, we can see just how serious of an issue it is. Even if they are just balloons, just balloons can still be a national security issue when they're overhead our national security facilities in aerospace. But these things that you've seen, and in fact, I should let everybody know, you saw them a lot. This wasn't just a one-off once in 2015. You saw UFOs often. And these things, correct me if I'm wrong, they do things. They have sort of technology that you all couldn't identify.
26:09 It's not that we were just seeing them out there and somewhat identifying something in the distance. We're using a multitude of sensors on our aircraft and also distributed across multiple aircraft and different platforms that are detecting these objects within a sensor network. And so when we then correlate those radar tracks with our infrared camera systems and eventually moving close to them, we're able to detect those objects. And so we're able to see those objects that are in the distance. And so when we're trying to get closer to detect them with our eyeballs, we have high confidence in those track files and what we're experiencing. And what we're experiencing are things that we're really not sure what they are at the end of the day. They're performing a number of behaviors that we don't recognize, such as the ability to stay stationary in very high winds with no lifting platforms, no surfaces, but also to maintain speeds of 0.6 to 0.8 mach, which is upwards of 350 knots.
26:59 And they can do that for many hours. on end. We don't have the ability to do that in our aircraft, and we simply don't know who's operating these or what their intent are. I think we have another clip of one from your squadron of them seeing it, as you said, in high wind and operating differently. But against the wind, the wind's 120 knots to the west. And so when you say that, you know, you want to get to a point where people feel comfortable reporting them, do they not? Do people not feel comfortable reporting these sightings? They still don't, and I'll only speak within the aviation community, but it's a big risk to go out publicly on this topic. At the end of the day, if you're going to highlight yourself, at least in the military aviation communities, for something like this, there's very little upside for you. We're very busy aviators in the U.S. Navy, Air Force, and the military in general are very busy just doing their regular job, and they're not equipped to go out and do research on these mysterious objects. On the commercial sector, people work for a very long time in a single career at a single company, and they're a single signature away on a medical evaluation to say they're unfit for flying and to lose that career. So there's really just very little motivation to speak publicly about this, especially when it's been communicated by their employers and historically that this is a somewhat off-topic, or excuse me, off-limits topic. And last, Ryan, do you have a theory on what these are? Well, again, I have a theory of what they're not.
28:44 I do have a method, I think, of trying to figure out what these are. We know that we can detect these objects. We are starting to recognize as a government and as a society that we have an obligation to figure out what these are to ensure it's safe flying. And so I think we can figure it out. I think that is an answerable question, although not quite yet. Ryan Graves, thanks for sharing all this with us. It's really fascinating, and obviously we do need to get some answers about all of this that the balloon has exposed. Thanks so much for being here. It was my pleasure. Thank you for having me. The balloon has exposed. There's so much in that clip, I could say, but I like that MC, who is the corner of terms in our chat, has dubbed this, we call it RMFA, Rapid Moving Fallen Angels. Love it. Love it, MC. You know, we actually call it that. I'm going to, before we jump into the meat of our program, I think it's good to watch this clip that we've watched over and over and over again. Because it's relevant, and it explains exactly what is going on here, and sets the understanding that we have on this channel from a former occultist, Roger Murnau. You can watch his full documentary. It's all on YouTube, three and a half hours, but watch this clip right here.
29:59 And the priest told us, could I have a bit more of your time? I want to tell you something very fascinating. He says the grain plane, the master's grain plane, for harvesting the nations, for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause. Just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil. So we continued, you know, after we expressed ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits. And he said it's going to be done in a unique manner. This grain plane is going to take people, people are going to eat the stuff. Because he says spirits, demon spirits will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet. Unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it, he says. Chris, I'm going to talk to you first. This is a fascinating topic because what I believe we're seeing right now is we're seeing the beginning of this spiritualism become more and more prevalent in the West. And I say the West because the East has seen a little bit of this spiritualism already in different forms. But we haven't been too obsessed with it as a Western. We haven't been too obsessed with it as a Western. We haven't been too obsessed with it as a Western. We haven't been too obsessed with it as a Western. culture. But I think you've brought out in your documentaries that it's becoming more and more of a greater issue. Isn't that right? Yes, Brad. I really appreciate you inviting me to be on your program tonight. It's a blessing to be here. You know, that's right. In the West, there's been a very scientific orientation to science and and Christianity up until recent decades, of course, was dominant in the West. And the occult and things of a spiritualistic nature were very normal in other countries in the East, as you said. And one of the things that we're starting to see, though, is a convergence, a new normal is coming to the West, where people are more and more interested in the West. And I think that's a people are increasingly rejecting Christianity, and the idea that there's an absolute truth in the world, that there is a higher power that we're accountable to, and who's given us a law to live by, that is for our own good. And by rejecting this concept in the West, people are basically starting to practice increasingly, all kinds of different ways of life. And I think that's a risk to free and Master fine arts. So we certainly think that in some ways where we can hoping that we could have liberation. But I would say that there is a lot of different manners of mysticism, which allows them to enter an altered state of consciousness. And, of course, your channel is very much about aliens and strange normal, right. People are starting to experience ayite much about aliens and strange normal, right. People are starting to experience all kinds of things, in an altered state of consciousness, whether it's psychedelic drugs, whether it's meditation. And this is kind of the, the, the Mystified thing that I mentioned in it, sorry, but our film called come to the that's coming soon. instead of the integrated psychedelic47, the跟大家hale channel is really stimulating our I was just gonna ask you about 7 that. in your mind.
33:14 families and car family. among the diseases and you know that there's a few coming out with a new documentary here very soon. And it's always fascinating because every time I watch your documentaries, I learn something new I hadn't seen before. You do so much research on this stuff, and it's so fascinating. Can you tell us a little bit more about it without revealing too much? Because I know you don't want to give everything away. Well, first of all, I just want to say what an honor it's been to work with Roger Morneau's family since 2014. I've become very close friends with Roger's daughter, Linda, and his grandson, Michael. And I'm just so amazed at how the Lord has led me in the development of, at first, what was going to be one documentary ended up becoming two that became now three. And this last chapter is called Mystified, and Mystified is kind of... It's kind of like the unpacking of a lot of the things that people have seen in the first two films. The first film was called Beware of Angels, and the second film, Charmed by Darkness, which was all about Roger Morneau's life and legacy. And you just saw a clip, the viewers just saw a clip of Roger a few minutes ago. Mystified is essentially an unpacking of, that includes several real life stories. Stephanie, of course, is one of the stories in this film, who practiced spiritual formation, a form of Christianized mysticism for nine years until she was brought out of that movement. And her husband, Donde, was a very close friend of Roger Morneau's.
35:10 And for those watching, Brad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... Roger Morneau was a demon worshiper, and the significance of Roger Morneau's journey and the things that he heard when he was in his secret society in regards to mysticism, in regards to Satan worship, in regards to the deceptions coming in the last days are very relevant and are being manifested through these practices, these mysticism, mystical practices of altered states of consciousness so that people don't need God. They can actually tap into their altered state. They can come in and go deep within themselves so they believe to find answers to life's deep questions, to find secrets to the universe. And actually science is coming alongside now and inventing. The federal government now is putting money into the science and research of psychedelic drugs. And our new film is actually touching on that as well.
36:26 Wow. Yeah. And these drugs, especially I've discovered just even by talking to different individuals. And by the way, just as a side note, ladies, if you would like to, please ask questions. Don't let us take up the whole time. Yes. We won't. We'll give you your time for a minute. Good, good. Checking out the chat too. You know, yeah, watch the chat because people actually have a really good insight. But I was going to tell you, Chris, Mikey, a friend of mine from work and I, we actually went out on the town and did what we call a single man. Well, we go out there, a single man, excuse me, that's something different. We go out and do a, oh, I lost my mind. What is it called? Basically, we interview people downtown. And we were asking them questions about what they think on video. And so I'll release that here pretty soon. And it's interesting because we went into one of the more new age shops and the person wouldn't reveal this on camera.
37:23 But what she said was she has experienced this form of spiritualism only while she does DMT. And maybe I shouldn't say that on YouTube. Maybe they're going to cancel me now. But it's a form of a drug that is dangerous. And it. Can really open your mind to things that shouldn't be there. And so I'm not sure. I've only seen a portion of your documentary so far. And I'd like to really dive deep into what you've studied on this whole concept. Yeah. DMT is the active element that is in LSD, which was popular in the 1960s. DMT, some researchers believe that our human brain. Actually produces in the in one of the glands in the brain naturally produces DMT.
38:19 And so this helps to explain some of these near death experiences people have when they think they're leaving their body and flying off somewhere. These there there is an element that apparently is is triggered when people are medically dead or lacking oxygen. Something fires up. It's it's fascinating, but but you're right, Brad, DMT is a very serious chemical, and this is actually one of the chemicals that's being researched right now. And by the way, there's a lot of people who are starting like famous people, celebrities, billionaires like Elon Musk, the founder of Tesla, is promoting psychedelics and. Wow. And I think that's a really interesting topic because you know, it's interesting. These aliens, these alien experiences that are increasingly happening in the West, people believe they're getting secret information depending on who you talk to.
39:25 You hear these stories and and and these people who are researching psychedelic drugs and we'll be talking about this and mystified is they believe that there are four mental health problems that that DMT. There are four mental health problems that that DMT. can actually solve. One of them is depression, another is anxiety, another is PTSD, and a fourth is addictions. And so the question is, if the devil isn't real, there's something in this plant that supposedly is healing people. But if the devil is real, then there's a whole different ball game going on. Fascinating. Wow. Do you ladies have any questions? I'm fascinated by this. If you don't, I'm going to go ahead and play his trailer for Mystified. I think it's a really interesting trailer. And if you don't mind, Chris, do you mind me playing that right now? Oh, yeah. I'd love to see that. Okay. Let me make sure I have the right one up here. While you're looking at the right one, we have a comment in the chat. From MC. I like how they put it. DMT. A one-way ticket to Demon Town. D-E capital M-O-N. Capital Town. DMT. There you go. There you go. That's the one. All right. Here's the trailer. Check this out. And I would just take my deep breath, say my word, my mantra, and go into the silence.
41:18 Wait a minute. This doesn't sound biblical to me. I set up a little prayer and I said, give me the faith of God. The truth is the problem and those who speak up for it. Your trailers are such a tease, Chris. I want to know more, but it's like, just tell me what's going on here. I saw and recognized Stephanie in there. You guys worked together on this, huh? Yes. I am so honored to finally... Stephanie has been so patient with her story. She's been so patient with her story. She's been so patient with her story. She's been so loving. I'm so honored to be able to work with Stephanie on this film. Stephanie is actually an associate producer on Mystified. She's lending her time and her input, feedback on the storylines and the structure of our film. And it's just a joy. The way that the Lord has been leading the unpacking of all these storylines. But Stephanie's story that you saw in the trailer, Brad, right there for the viewers. her story represents the christianization of mysticism um you know you hear the term christian mystic or christian witch or christian shaman you know these are oxymorons they don't belong together but uh but depending on who you talk to in christianity they they if they're from a catholic background or if there's someone who's practiced mysticism for a long time they think those two can go together they can be copacetic but we're going to reveal the history of mysticism and in this new film that's coming soon and um and it's just going to be amazing how um there's nothing at all in the bible that promotes or teaches the idea that you should pursue an altered state of consciousness in order to talk to god and um stephanie stephanie can talk more because she was there she's the person who experienced it but i'm so thankful that stephanie uh is telling her story because this is this is increasingly becoming um you know the protestant the protestant movement is not dead there's a lot of people out here in the world who still understand you know what martin luther and dale and some of these reformers from 500 years ago their message and their movement is still alive even though there are many who have capitulated and given up and decided you know what the protest is over there's no there's no one else out there but god is not finished god still is trying to reveal that there is a people he's he's empowering for these end times these last days there will be a people who stand up and explain what's going on but only people who actually are filled with the knowledge of the bible and the holy spirit to give them that wisdom there's no other way that people will be able to understand these aliens and these and by the way there's real power in mysticism i mean there is power there but it's not holy spirit power right right i'm glad you brought that up because although we do typically just talk about the spiritualism as in the extraterrestrial as they say in the narrative but really what it comes from and what it all is is a new age style of religion that is not so new stephanie can you talk to us a little bit more about that what what is that since you were involved in that well my background was um from the mystics the catholic mystics the desert fathers the desert mothers it's a that sort of thing and to a very old way of praying
45:51 that we somehow lost um and it's a way to become closer to god to have a more intimate union with him with god so that was where i was i was looking for um a deeper relationship with god and i was all about prayer because of my testimony where i'd been i couldn't pray for my grandfather and so god and i was all about prayer well this was just another way of i thought growing closer to christ but wow yeah seeing that trailer even even now every time i see it it's so powerful and my my brain because of the years of mapping it's it's a constant pull when i hear that trailer i really have to put the guards up and ask god to protect my mind because my mind just will go there and um yeah it's it changes it changes your brain but god recreates and protects so absolutely absolutely you know rick in the chat is asking why is this a western thing why why is this uh primarily happening in the west and if you've seen uh my my my sermon on this i bring out an image and it shows from 1900s until now where all this uh spiritualism is happening we're all the uh the uh the activity is that has been reported and it says it all and it shows the map a heat map it puts little dots on there and it almost perfectly outlines the united states primarily which is really interesting and so why is this happening in the in the west i have some theories what do you guys think my theory is that this was born a christian nation and where else does satan want to get hold of but christians so there's there's a reason it's also one of the most powerful nations and so he would like to use this nation as ever everyone go go go ahead uh deb it's also one of the most self-absorbed nations very self-absorbed it's true it is true and and since it's so powerful though too that um he can use this to make the rest of the world wander after something that he desires the beast we were raised up for a purpose that's true The frogs. Forget the frogs, people. Yeah, Revelation 16. We talked a little bit more about that in Starfall. I'm going to plug that shamelessly real quick here. If you haven't seen Starfall, go to starfallmovie.com.
48:29 It's a documentary. It's based the whole channel off of this, and it helps everyone understand exactly what in the world we're talking about and what's going on. You're going to want to see that first. Anyway, Chris, I want to get back to you. Sorry to hang you there for a second, but it's such a fascinating topic, and I'm really grateful you're continuing this. In fact, I hope you continue doing documentaries like this, and this isn't your last one. Maybe you want it to be your last one. I don't know. Well, to be honest, this has been a long journey. 2014 is when I started working with Roger Morneau's family, and so I am asking God for some, some fun material. It's pretty heavy. You know, this is, this is very serious stuff. It's not, it's not fun and games, but it's, it's definitely been rewarding, Brad. Because, you know, before we started filming today, you mentioned something that really resonated with me.
49:37 You said, you know, there are people reaching out and letting me know how important this, this program, that I'm, that I'm doing is meaningful to these, to the, to, to viewers. It's helping them learn the truth. And those kinds of emails, those kinds of texts, those kinds of things that people are posting really help to affirm the work, the effort. It doesn't show in the bank account, but it certainly, you know, for every message that comes through, if you, if you believe that Jesus Christ is the, the savior of the world, he either is who he claimed to be, or he was the greatest liar that ever lived. He can't just be a good person. And if Jesus really was the savior of the world for every, he'd and died for everyone, then every message that comes to you and me, um, just one should be enough to, to sense that that calling was worth it.
50:40 So I'm, I'm honored to have the opportunity, the opportunity to be able to share, um, what God has been showing me because it's been, honestly, it's been mind blowing. The, the, the way the dots are connecting, even, even on this journey in this third film, uh, on, on spiritualism, this is just another way of, uh, because let's fit, let's just for the viewers to understand mysticism by itself is, it's never, it's never, it's never standing by itself. There's always another piece that goes along with it. And that is the immortality of the soul. This idea that when you tap into your altered state, you can, you can part from your body and go somewhere. Um, it's the idea that you're practicing death before you die. Wow. And this is what the, this is what the ancient Greeks believed and Plato and Pythagoras. And we're going to, it's all in our new film. To show people that this idea that, that you don't really die when you die and that mysticism and altered states of consciousness, it gives you a foretaste of what death is like in the afterlife.
51:59 So these two things go together and they go all the way back to the original lie in the tree. You know, there were two lies there. There was, you will not surely die. And the second lie was your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods knowing good and evil. So your eyes will be open. Suddenly it dawned on me, you know, when you hear people in the new age talk about being awakened or they talk about being enlightened in, in Buddhism and Zen Buddhism, this enlightenment, your eyes are opened. So when you tap into this altered state, it's supposedly you're, you're a mortal soul. Or this part of you that doesn't die. Wow. That's interesting. So I was just thinking as Chris was talking for this lie that they continue to want to perpetuate that thou shalt not surely die.
53:00 This prepares you to die. And then when you think about yoga and the yoga practice that prepares you to die, so you can take on your next reincarnation shape. Easier. So you can meditate when you're dying as well. So you can have a peaceful death. It's like they're obsessed with death, but they tell you, you won't die. Yeah. And, but you know, what's what's striking to me at the end of the day, Brad is that, you know, what is the, what, what is the ultimate purpose in reincarnation and living in the, in here after what's the point of it all just because you're alive and you have a higher state of consciousness? Well, you know, the promise of Christianity to me and the confidence of knowing someone who died for me is that there's a relationship. There is actually a person who knows me and who loves me and is walking with me.
54:14 Every day, not just now, but is, is promising to be alive for eternity. So this, this lie of the immortality of the soul and reincarnation and mysticism that allows you to tap into this enlightened state, your eyes are open is, is so deceptive because it's, it's witchcraft, witchcraft. The essence of witchcraft is that you, you break away and make up your own rules. So to be like, God is to break away and make up your own rules. And that's the essence of witchcraft, but do what that will. Yes. But that is very cold. That's a very cold environment. I don't care what people say. There's a reason why people who are at the very upper echelons of society in Hollywood, the celebrities who ha who they have everything, but they have nothing because there's a coldness in that.
55:24 Right, right. It's a, someone used to say to me that was very high up. They used to say it's very lonely at the top, but not only is it lonely when you, when you dig your heels into something that you know is not good, not good. I mean, you see the characteristics of it and you continue in that you dive into something that is, it will cling on you to onto you until you find that truth, that righteousness, which is in the Lord Jesus Christ. And I don't, I could talk to you about this for hours and hours, Chris, and I, I, I want to, and it seems like we've only talked for a few minutes, but I also want to show another documentary that you've done previously, which leads into our next topic, because I think it's, it's fascinating to, to see there's two different things happening here. And primarily, you know, there's one, one deception that I want to bring out in this next documentary. So if you don't mind, I'm going to load that up and we'll watch that now. They had prayed to see angels.
56:49 No one knew that I was a disciple of the ascended master, spirit guide, Joel Cole. I could pierce that veil and see these spiritual beings that I thought were dead ancestors who have passed on and now have received these bodies, and I'm going to show you a little bit of what it's like to be a disciple of the ascended master. If it was too dark, I'm like, well, I don't do dark and all those books made me feel good. Who do you serve? I said, no one. He said, nah, nah, everybody serves somebody. Now, who's it going to be? I said, well, myself, I guess he said, so be it. There is really no escape because there is nowhere to escape to. I could see their faces cause they weren't covered. What have I gotten myself into? Fascinating.
57:54 That documentary is one that you did and it's already out. If I understand right, Chris, it's from a few years ago and it's the first story in there is just fascinating. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? Yeah. You know, the title of this documentary, beware of angels is taken from Roger Morneau's final book before he passed away. And this was a book that Roger Morneau did not want to write. It's a, it's a story, a true story about a Bible study group that started praying and asking to see their guardian angels to get messages from, from heaven.
58:44 And one of the group leaders started getting messages about three months after they were praying to talk to their angels. And it, it was a five year journey that ended up in a murder. Two sisters in the group ended up murdering someone else in the group who was a very close friend. And it was, it was through the, it was through the, the messages that were coming through from these angel, these angels claiming to be from heaven who were directing these sisters to murder. They didn't, they didn't use the word murder. They used the word destroy. Because supposedly this person who was murdered was totaled this, this word, the angels were using these fallen angels was the idea that someone's soul, once again, the immortality of the soul deception, someone's soul had been removed and a demon inhabited somebody's physical body.
59:51 So they no longer exist. So you have to destroy them. This was, unheard of in the 1980s. This happened in 1988. And this was the beginning of many kinds of strange, normal, not normal, very strange things happening in the world. But it was the beginning of murders where supposedly a spirit told someone that someone else should be killed. You know that the devil made me do it. Was this a physical manifestation? Did they see these? Did they see these things in their house or was this voices in their head? I went to the police department twice, Brad. Uh, the police gave me permission when they understood that I was working on a documentary about this featuring this story. Of course you saw in the, in the trailer, you saw several other stories.
1:00:46 This is the feature story, a feature story in the film. So the police allowed me to come twice and I spent two full days in the police department going through the film. I was like, going three, 10 different boxes of the murder case evidence and you know everything from the murder weapon to, uh, all kinds of, uh, folders and documents that were taken from the suspects home. And one of the, one of the things you see in the film, Brad, is there were hundreds of pieces of paper that I saw and I took pictures and you see them in the film. Where this group would actually, And the leader of the group would actually ask the angel a question, the prophetess, if you will, in the group would ask the question and then someone else would then write down the answer in a different color of ink, the answer that was given to the woman. So it wasn't a physical being that appeared. It was typically a voice. Sometimes the group could hear the voice, but it was usually coming through like a channel or a medium. You know, the Christian Bible study leader was actually a medium, you know, getting messages from the other side, so to speak. In this case, it was packaged as an angel from heaven.
1:02:13 Wow. Chris, I have a question. I was reading Beware of Angels again last night, just to brush up, and Roger mentioned that in the books or the notes that some of the, that these people were keeping, there were descriptions of the angels that appeared to them. So I thought it was both. Yeah, they, there were, there were, there were some manifestations for, for some of the. people, but not the whole group. The whole group didn't see an appearance, but, but the angel did appear to one or two of the people in the group, as far as I recall. I just rewatched it today. I just rewatched it today. And one, it said that Jesus came to them and said that this is all fine. This is all good. And you should listen to these angels. Or actually, he, like, introduced them to the angels and the angels to his children. That was kind of.
1:03:24 Right. And so they thought it was Jesus, by the way he looked, then, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, so one of the, one of the people in the group did see Jesus, like, got so big that he was taller than the house before he disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, they, the fallen angels can manifest in physical bodies that are apparently human beings, they can, they can manifest in any kind of atomic structure they want to. And of course this is a lot what you talk about on this show right Brad, these aliens, I mean, they are super powerful beings, and they're beautiful, I mean in their natural state. They're so bright. Yeah. Roger Morneau said that when he was in the secret group, the priest said that one appeared to him, and he was so bright that he couldn't see to dial the numbers on the telephone after this being appeared to him.
1:04:30 So in their natural state, because they used to live in heaven. So we're up against a lot, but I'm really glad that the God that we serve is actually the creator of these beings. So that's the reason why we're still here. That's the reason why we're able to have this conversation without being attacked by these unseen beings, because there is a God in heaven who's watching over us. I've heard that argument over and over again, that ufology says, well, if they are bad, we would have been destroyed by now. Not necessarily, because if there is truly a celestial universal of the universe court system, then we wouldn't be destroyed. And that's what Christianity believes. That's actually what Christianity believes. They believe there is a court case for God.
1:05:26 He's on trial right now as to whether or not he created beings correctly. I mean, that's essentially what it comes down to. And Satan says, absolutely not. And we are going through that quarantine phase, because we're the ones that sinned. And so I think it's a fascinating topic. And I think we're actually seeing this. The whole reason this whole show came up, I hate to leave you, Deb, Debbie, for the blast, because you're definitely not the least of this episode. But I want to talk about what you've been studying, because this is exactly the same from what I understand. I haven't read all your books. I haven't read all your homework you've done on this. But everything that has been happening right now has been very similar to this story that Chris Lack outlined from the police station. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? It was the Kyle Odom story.
1:06:20 Yes. Yeah, that, you know, that came up in the Discord, and I just kind of ran with it. Somebody posted his manifesto. How many pages was that? 22 pages. But only like... Only like 12 of it was actual, his story. Okay. And really, and then he does a question and answer where he talks about how he views God and just the whole thing. He, you know, he... Before you get into it, I forgot, I had a clip I took off the Internet from a news agency. That told about some about of what had happened. They didn't, they don't, the news doesn't really report on spiritualism very much.
1:07:12 That's why it's so weird. And I always show the clips of them talking about UFOs, because the news is like, you know, it's weird. We're not going to really mention the fact. Well, I'll let you... Go ahead. Did you get the clip from the other lady whose son also did the same kind of thing before? Because I shared that, but that... Maybe not. I might have not seen that, but I'll show you this one that I found so far. So check this out. All right. Why isn't it playing? Just a second. This is live, folks. Just a second here. While you're working that out, I wanted to say that I was struck in reading that book, how, Chris, you were talking about people being totaled who have a demon in them. And these people who were supposedly communing with angels.
1:08:05 And Jesus were told to go to the totaled people and steal from them and slash their tires. And it's like, these don't even match up with the characteristic of God. How did he treat Judas? You know, he continued trying to woo him until the end. He never abused him. That just shows you how far someone can fall when the lie is so beautiful, when the deception is so beautiful and so compelling. That people can fall for it and be led down. You know, it didn't happen overnight. That's the thing. People need to recognize. If it's Kyle Odom, I don't know all of his story. I'm looking forward to hearing Deb share about it.
1:08:58 But, you know, this Bible study group, this murder happened after five years of deceptions, slowly leading them down a road, starting with Bible scripture, these angels were quoting and reciting scriptures like there was no tomorrow. And then, you're special. We've got secrets for you. Only you. You're the only people in the whole world who know this stuff. And these angels were like making them feel important and privileged. And then, yes, building their ego up. And slowly they began to look for their answers. More than they looked in the Bible for answers. And that's when they fell. And the story of Kyle Odom is alien. And he doesn't even entertain the idea of spiritual beings at all.
1:09:54 And so it's all alien. But it is the exact same thing as everything that happened with these people in Beware of Angels. Yeah. And so let's get to that. Let's get to that clip that shows exactly what happened. Exactly. What happened to Kyle Odom, because you're going to see parallels to what Chris Lang just talked about. But before we go to that clip, I just want to ask that anybody that thinks this is an important topic that we need to discuss further, please consider supporting this podcast. Go to patreon.com slash strange normal and help us because it really, truly helps us. You also get access to the Discord. This is our Discord server. We have all kinds of stuff in here from the latest stuff. You'll be up to the minute access to. I mean, we got many, many people helping us research this stuff and showing different things that are happening. Sermons on this topic, as you can see in this section right there.
1:10:48 You'll want to be a part of this. It's a pretty neat thing. Now, this is the clip that of Kyle Odom from the news. Check this out. Thank you. Now to the latest on the search for the suspected gunman. His name is Kyle Odom and police say he opened fire on Pastor Remington in this church parking lot yesterday. Odom is a former Marine and has won several awards. He's described as a. Blonde haired, blue eyed man, about six feet tall and 170 pounds. Witnesses say they saw him leaving the church in a 2004 silver Honda Accord with the Idaho license plate number K578519. Police say people should consider Odom armed and dangerous. Kremtus Taylor Vido caught up with Odom's aunt over the phone today. Kyle Odom's family did release a statement to the media. They've since asked for privacy. However, we were able. To get in touch with Odom's aunt, who lives in Colorado.
1:11:42 She says all of this has been a shock. Well, I cried. Can't imagine. Deborah Russo is describing the moment when she found out that her nephew, Kyle Odom, was accused of gunning down a local pastor in a church parking lot. Russo tells us that her brother is Odom's father. While she hadn't spoken with Kyle in a few years, she tells us that she considered herself pretty close with him. There was just something about Kyle that I always, always liked. He was just a good, he was a good kid and smart. And then he went into the military. Odom is a Marine and served overseas in Iraq. Russo tells us that was in line with their family. She herself was in the military, as was Odom's father. What Russo stressed was Odom's intelligence. He graduated from the University of Idaho with near perfect grades.
1:12:36 He just was an exceptional student. So all of this that's happening has just been very, very, very strange. Russo said that this has been a major shock for the family. She's not clear what connection, if any, Odom had to Tim Remington. Police have said the same. Russo added that Odom was possibly suffering from depression, but wasn't likely addicted to any kinds of drugs. That Kyle was, he was a good man. He was smart. He was, he was a little shy, but he was always very, very sweet to me. And so I hope that people don't judge him too hard. Like I mentioned, we did attempt to contact Odom's family that lives in Coeur d'Alene. They released a statement that said in part, quote, Our family is devastated by Sunday's events. We are praying for Pastor Tim, his family, and his continued recovery.
1:13:29 We are also praying for Kyle's safe return and to get the help he needs. They then asked for privacy. Outside the Coeur d'Alene Police Department, Taylor Vido, KMT News. Fascinating. So, Deb, can you tell us a little summary about what makes this such an interesting story? That they didn't mention here. Yeah, they didn't tell anything about his manifesto. They just, you know, write it off as, you know, just complete mental illness. But it started out when he was under a lot of stress at university. And he was very intelligent. And he had a really heavy load. And so he started meditating. I don't really know how that came about, but he started to meditate. And in February. Of 2014, he was lying in bed and he was lucid dreaming.
1:14:22 He felt he had left his body, but he had, there was a blue light coming towards him. And he noticed that it was, it was a being and he, and it was all about feeling. It was all feeling. He, he felt it was wrong and that it was telling him he shouldn't be there. And, and then he felt like he should, you know, go away, but then he was flooded with more feelings of unconditional love. And he was just, just overwhelmed with these feelings. And it was, he, he thought it was a life altering, you know, situation. And it was because then he lost all desire to meditate. He, lost the, the memory of what had happened with this being, and he's writing all this.
1:15:14 So he says this was against his will. He didn't want to. He was like, this is worse than you're doing your от. And so no matter what he said, he was just so confused. Yeah. That was the way he said it. Oh, he only comprehensive nobody education. He was the least, most kinds of lady. All this, and nothing could really not remember. Um, and then he started just like acing everything at school. Nothing was a problem for him anymore. And so yeah. Like he just breezed through everything. you know, make him believe that he was, you know, had tapped into some super intelligence. And so he went to a graduate course in Baylor at Baylor. But he felt like he knew more than everyone.
1:16:05 He felt like he knew, was way beyond the professors. And he saw flaws in the foundations of all these different theories. It wasn't just he was in genetics, but nothing. Eventually, it drove him crazy because nobody else seemed to be concerned that there were all these flaws. So did they actually tell him these things that were contacting him? Did they tell him to go and shoot his pastor? It was demons, but he felt like... It was these Martian aliens that inhabit people. So it's exactly like what they were saying in, you know, these people were totaled. That's basically, you know, what the aliens were telling him was that these people are not really people. They've been inhabited by aliens. So it's aliens that are telling him this stuff and that these people are aliens. And so then he, you know, proceeded to shoot the pastor. Sick. Six times. And the pastor lived and forgave him. And it's really, it's the whole story is pretty amazing because the pastor, I mean, he did, he lived and he totally understood that this kid had all these mental problems. Although, you know, I haven't heard him say that he thought it was demonic. But everything about his whole story, because all through, there's two years.
1:17:43 Wait, wait, before you go into that, I think Chris has a question for you. Yeah. Did you, did you see the commentary on, I briefly looked at an article where apparently this guy says that he, when he saw the pastor, it supposedly manifested. And then he drew a picture of what this, this alien looked like. Yeah. Yeah. That he saw for one or two seconds before it then went back to a human form. Yes. Can I show people? Can I show people that picture? Yeah. Yeah. And notice the eyes. Through the, uh, the, the strangeness of the internet, uh, MC has sent me over the image just in time for me to load it up. So I'm going to play that real quick here. Thank you from the chat. That's here we go. Um, isn't that interesting. So right now you can't hear the rest of the broadcasters on this. You can only hear me, but, um, I can't even read this. Maybe you guys want to pause it and read it, but, uh, this is what he thought he saw. Very strange, strange thing. I'm going to bring it back over now as we go back to our, our guests. Okay. We're back.
1:19:00 I think it's worth mentioning the pupils. They're not round. They're snake-like. Yeah. And he said, Go ahead. Yes. That's important. He just said that he saw, um, individuals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, individual aspects at a certain, like he didn't see the whole face. He saw the eyes or he saw the mouth and the nose, you know, but not everything all at once, but the eyes were what stood out, which is the way it is so often that their eyes are the one that stands out. Fascinating. So is that, is that pretty much the whole story? I mean, you were going to say other things besides that. What was, what were you going to say? Just that, you know, eventually he was driven to attempt murder. Um, and so Satan convinced him that this man was an alien here to wreak havoc on humanity. So it is fascinating, um, to have access to everything now. Um, because like his, his father tells, cause they're, they did, um, the investigation discovery did a whole episode on them. So I watched that. And so like when he tried to kill himself, he says that because he tried to asphyxiate himself.
1:20:10 Hmm. And so he says that the aliens woke him up and chased him out of the car. And so he couldn't even kill himself. Oh my goodness. So like all throughout his experience, he's just being hounded. And so that's where I've got like, uh, Will Baron of the deceived of the new age. He talked about how the demons would hound him, um, until he would write a check to the, you know, place where he was worshiping at. And just like he would be hounded and hounded and hounded until he did it. And then he would have peace. And, and so, and he knew that he was dealing with spiritual entities. He thought it was an ascended master. That's from, um, Will Baron. Yeah. Yeah. Will Baron. But that's, uh, that clip that you're describing, I want to give credit where credit's due, is from, uh, Chris Lang's, one of his documentaries. The one of the, the second, I think trailer I showed. Beware of Angels. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing documentary. That was in Beware of Angels. Yeah. Which I wasn't aware of when I was writing this up. So I just found it interesting, but I had seen it and I was like, well, this is amazing, but I had seen it. And so, um, yeah, like he knew that he was dealing with, um, spiritual forces. But, um, this kid, Kyle Odom, he, like the, they had convinced him, the aliens, the demons had convinced him that God did not exist. And, and so that's it.
1:21:32 He says he, he goes through the traits of the aliens. They're megalomaniacal, megalomaniacal. I was wrong. I wasn't even going to try to say that one, but power hungry, obsessed with control. Let me understand this. The, the demons presented themselves as aliens to convince him that aliens were in other people. So the essentially saying, Hey, you should go, I'm going to use the correct term for YouTube, uh, delete these people because, um, we can't use the K word. Otherwise we get demonetized. But, um, so they were saying, go get rid of these people and they don't know you. That's him. Yeah. So they weren't even looking for people. Yeah. They were, they were? No, not an army, but a common people. Oh. Oh, God. Right. So he said, listen, he is, he is hoping that people like us, that there will always be, I don't know, like, a long time coming that we can get out of this world. There's, that's so cool. I mean, there's proverbs, like there's ones like us in them. I'm, I'm so confused by that. Yes. You know, and that's the thing. It's all, it's Babylon, you know, confusion, you know, and, but that's what, you know, um, he says Martians may have created humans as they claim, but they are certainly not gods we're letting the Martians ruin it he says so so in the end he couldn't have a being that was smarter than himself it was his intellect and his his his just personal pride and his own intellect that really did him in because he couldn't have somebody smarter than himself and so he said well there's no God for sure because that's what these guys you know he wanted to not believe that there was somebody that was smarter than him and then in the end he's like I know these losers aren't the gods so because they can't be any better than me so it was his inability to come to a point of submission to the Heavenly Father you know in the idea that you know there are two powers and and we will all ask we asked to one or the other and sometimes people just have a hard time coming to the understanding that they're not the one that has these great ideas or he believed that they wanted him because he was so intelligent see and that's that's fascinating to me because they he was he was so intelligent he was a very intelligent guy but deception doesn't care about intelligence it's a deception and they'll figure out a way to deceive you no matter if they use your ego they use your intellect they use your feelings if they they'll use your loved one I mean these there's there's no holds bar to this and that's why we have to have that connection we have to be very close to Christ and and this if you're just listening right now and you're just coming back to the church and you're like man this is serious it is this is actually what made me realize this is not this is not uh fun and games we're not just here on Earth yeah I was a Christian and that's that's that's fine I can still do what I want that's that's not what's going on here it's it's time to get real and these things are showing themselves right now and you gotta I guess what you could say is get off the fence pick a side choose ye who you will serve today and so it's the world is showing people that they can have everything that you can have via God the Father and Jesus Christ through these altered states without ever having to change and transform that um you know transformation of character that the Lord wants to give us and so they can have everything without the work because it's not easy to face your own demons you know and the things that you know whatever it's that's not easy and so people that will just dive right into these
1:25:28 altered states and everything because you don't have to concern yourself with right with all these people who you are that's fascinating do you do you either you have any comments um Steph or or um um Chris I do yeah Stephanie go ahead I I definitely have uh some some thoughts um okay you know that the the the the film mystified is is really the the Target of what Deb was just talking about the Target is is that in order for in order for mysticism to work and someone claiming to be a Christian they have to do something to Jesus Christ they have to change him into a just a man they have to make him into just a human being who was just like us literally just like us who woke up to his Divinity and so he became a way shower he became the person to reveal to us our own Divinity see so that's how they twist the Christian idea of Jesus um and so Jesus just becomes one among many he becomes one among Buddha and Confucius and that's serious tickling up the ears yeah that's that's tickling years and so so so the idea of of who is Jesus and what is the nature of man they go together because if you don't need a Savior if you really are immortal all by yourself then um then then why do you need a Savior who died on a cross that it's it's totally irrelevant but if you're wrong then you've got you've got issues you know the God of Heaven is and we know they are wrong well exactly yeah and I mean but you know before we started filming today Brad said you know what we we we need to show that we have hope in the world and um that the message that I want to come through in this new film isn't Doom and Gloom it's going to be you know the evidence is here to show that the Bible is not just another book the evidence will be shown that it is a supernatural book that gives the evidence that there is a God of history who knows you by name and who knows the future and who has your future and he loves you eternally and so that hope in a person it's not just an idea right and and and I think that you know Kyle Odom and this beware of Angels group got so sucked into an idea that I'm a special person and it's like as soon as we take our eyes off of the Creator the one who made us and that glory suddenly starts to look at me and suddenly the world turns on me and it's all about my afterlife and what I'm gonna do and you know this is all this all becomes about me but that is a cold way to live and and I just think the message Brad is is wow all of these aliens in a way are kind of making our case for us because it's a cold universe without without the Creator without the God of Heaven who loves you absolutely absolutely Stephanie do you have any uh we're running on well I'll just let's say this uh Stephanie do you have any any thoughts that's okay go ahead if you if you want a time frame it's okay no no I'm not I'm trying not to say anything about time because of what we said in pre-show okay well here's here's the thing Brad I knew I should have gone before you Chris Chris has this beautiful way of just bringing everything we've talked about back to Christ and and and and and and and and and and and and bringing us to a higher level so I'm gonna take us back down so you know I I watched a podcast on this um on this guy Kyle in the in the podcast these two people read the manifesto I would not suggest reading or watching this podcast it was very colorful language that these girls were using but I didn't have time to read it so I listened to them it was pretty fascinating I found myself feeling very sorry for him to me he seemed normal before
1:30:18 when before he meditated that was the entering wedge and so after that he never came back he was the devil's playground and Deborah said he tried unknowingly three times exactly three times he tried to kill himself because on the heels of going to spend a weekend with his parents and being tormented by these aliens they followed him in the plane they were in the coffee shop they were outside the house he could see them they would sniff at him and so that's how he knew that they were aliens following him around sniffing that was how they differentiated themselves from humans what does that even mean you mean like with your nose wait so yeah so he would see these things and they would look at him and that's how he knew that they were aliens but they would they were camped outside his family's house oh that's so weird they kept telling him and on the plane where he sat there was some man beside him same kind of thing sniffed at him and he wasn't getting the response from him that he wanted so he put his hand on his leg and then that's when the guy responded to this alien being and so finally he gets to his house he's being just tormented by these people they want him to go do something to go to the church that he'd been attending that's what they wanted him to do go to that church and finally he's like oh they said if you don't we're going to hurt your family so he said okay to protect my family I will go to church and I don't think at this point he even knew why right you can correct me down right but this is how much how he gained control these these beings gained control of him wait wait wait I'm not following he he well just so I understand yeah these demonic entities wanted him to go to church go to the church he'd been attending a church okay what was the name of that church Elevate or some the altar so it was the altar and he had some sort of relationship with this pastor and the pastor had actually told him you should be a pastor so and it was after that that he shot him but to take it back around the torment that he was getting he was having these female aliens attempting to pleasure him this was unwanted attention but he was getting that he was getting tormented to me as I was hearing this I'm like this is MK Ultra right here this is programming and we know Satan does that to control right to gain control so this is how he was being what he was trying to take tests and he was still getting A's on his test I mean this is a smart guy this was a normal guy until he meditated and then all of this stuff happened and so just to save his family he went he went to church and then I I didn't really know if it spoke to the gap or they didn't speak to the gap between his going to church and then shooting him but next thing you know he sees the pastor and he takes on this shape that you just showed a few minutes ago and so he knew he wasn't a human so he killed him they made him think that he was he was that the pastor was this being that had inhabited this body kind of like similar to what Chris was saying in his documentary they they believed that these things had lost their soul and so they had a demon in them very similar isn't that interesting how similar that story is that's that's fascinating it is and that he had no concept that it might not be aliens yeah that there was even something else that it could possibly be but we are we become the devil's playground when we leave him out of our lives when we don't choose God him being Jesus sorry but when we don't choose God when we don't choose Jesus then we are fodder for Satan absolutely you know there's so much more to say here I want to I want to give it back to Chris because I I I don't have Chris on enough I think I should have you on here more because you are a wealth of knowledge uh what um do you have any final thoughts on that uh before I I say a prayer and maybe we'll go into and do a a few minutes of uh post
1:34:56 show for the for the um the Patreon team thanks Brad for this program for having me tonight I'm just really uh thankful to have been able to to be a part of this I I would I would I I would just have one more thought um and that is the emphasis that's happening mainstream with psychedelic drugs and through the meditation and actually this is what reminded me of this point that you'll see in our new film and that is the emphasis by the shamans and the people in the that are uh facilitating these ceremonies they will emphasize to the people that you have to surrender to the experience surrendering what's and and there's a continuity to it first they come and they they tell what their intention is and secondly they're supposed to surrender to whatever comes through while they're under the influence so there is a real battle going on and they're they're being told that this is plant medicine and whatever happened to Kyle Odom in that meditation he surrendered to whatever it was because it was a beautiful deception but it destroyed his life yeah absolutely yes I appreciate every single one of you that have been on here um uh I I want to go in and talk a little bit more about this but I have to end somewhere and so if you guys if you want to continue hearing more about this please subscribe to our patreon go to patreon.com strange normal we will be here and we're always here every Thursday night and we're a little early this night but every Thursday night around 10 p.m maybe a little earlier just keep checking back check the community tab there's a lot going on so please continue we love you take care bye-bye thanks for watching this segment subscribe to our channel and join us every Thursday night for more daily strange topics and more find us on Discord by accessing patreon.com strange normal see you there