0:20 We've only seen the public version so far, but here's what we can tell you. Government investigators seem sincerely baffled by what these things are. Today's report analyzed 144 separate sightings of UFOs by the U.S. military. But in only a single case could the government explain what it was. So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official saying, stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic? Correct. This is a person I respected tremendously. Very, very senior person. He told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop doing this. I said, okay, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is. And I said, okay, sir, so it's ours? And he said, no, that's not what I'm saying.
1:22 He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. And I said, well, sir, I think I know what it is. It says, where are you going with this? And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. And what I've been trying to do is to use the special privilege that I've been given of getting access to a Harvard education and a law school education and with the Jesuits and all the different people and meeting, you know, Baba Muktananda and getting to meet all the spiritual leaders of our people and our planet is to try to develop a really intelligent, sophisticated, spiritually informed, but rationally developed a set of policies for our dealing with extraterrestrial civilizations. The showings of the angels or the showings of God always showed up as orbs of light or things like that. And today we see this as, we see these as, we call them UFOs.
2:37 Maybe, again, the things that we have peopled our religions with in the form of spirits or gods, gods or what have you, are really just these things showing themselves as they appear to be now. Religions have made conclusions about the data, have become set in their ways. And that is frankly what sets up this potential conflict amongst the religions because they've all come to a conclusion and they're trying to prove the other one wrong. A pillar of fire at night and confused Russian troops. It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving heavenly help? There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship, like there was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightning was starting shooting from the sky and like sparks were going, were like spreading everywhere.
3:35 And then they, on the morning, they discovered that the whole, the whole machinery was destroyed. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders. And Jesus warns in the gospel of Luke, and it's repeated in the book of Acts, chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens. And a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy. So we need to know what the truth is, what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days. We're now less than 16 minutes away. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first, the Russians are going to be considered.
4:27 To be the enemy. In fact, when I met him in 74, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. Then terrorists would be identified. And that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies. We now call them nations of concern. And the next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be. The final card. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is a lie. No, I'm not talking to you about this.
5:25 What am I going to tell her or him? You know, these little kids, you know, 10, 11 years old. Yeah, that there's a force that exists out there that can control our environment, that can put thoughts in your head, that can lie to you, trick you, deceive you. Say that to a 12 year old. I mean, we're already saying it to a certain extent. 14 minutes, 30 seconds and counting. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently that invite extends even to Martians. You know, there were no questions that prepared me for what I was about to get into. You know, people often say, oh, it must have been fun. It must be exciting.
6:15 No, it was pretty sobering. You know, I like in this conversation to like having a conversation with a loved one about maybe cancer. Now, the good news is the diagnosis looks fine. You're going to recover. But it's a serious conversation. This is this is something that we are challenging people to reevaluate their philosophical, psychological, sociological and theological. Belief system. Any time you ask humanity to do something like that, it usually takes generations. You can't just pivot because, you know, for example, let's just take culture, for example, of a country. It's like an aircraft carrier. How long does it take to turn an aircraft carrier? Well, it takes quite a bit of time and a lot of bit, a lot of effort and whatnot. Well, this topic is the same way because we're challenging people to reconsider, if you will, reevaluate their understanding of what they've been told about the universe. And more importantly. What do you think that was just a hallucination or a to be perfectly honest, a demon?
7:17 Yeah, that's my understanding of ghosts. Any anything of that kind of sort? You don't believe in ghosts? I don't. I was in the kitchen by myself and I felt it come up next to me. And I said out loud, I said, God, whatever this is that's been posing as grandma for the past seven years in Jesus's name, get it away from me and never let it come back. And it hasn't been back since. These so-called alien beings. Are actually manifesting at times as dead relatives during the abduction experience to challenge the person's belief system as Christian theology. In the idea that dead relatives can be talked to or even spoken to or that they're even around to be able to hear what we have to say. No evolutionary or religious belief system shows that.
8:18 that this will end well by contacting these things evolution it says that these things are likely to be superior and so survival of the fittest will destroy us religion says that these things are deceptive and dangerous and the evidence if you want to include all the theory and all this the the stories that of these sincere people it says they've damaged crops they have mutilated cattle they've abducted people beyond their will they've messed with our highest security protocols they enabled and disabled dangerous warheads forced pregnancies for surgeries burn victims killed pilots and lied to people and most experiencers have experienced at least one terrifying alien experience so to say that these things they haven't destroyed this yet so they must be good is to deny the fact that there might be a universe of court saying these earthlings are protected here on earth and that's what christianity believes we passed the 11th minute mark now t-minus 10 minutes 54 seconds on our countdown both of us with at separately without communicating we're studying this and going wow there is something going on here right this is out it's in Congress and they're discussing this right now this isn't conspiracy sure sure yeah absolutely what's going on here absolutely very eye-opening the Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs and among other things the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns paralysis and brain damage report also says that some people who saw UFOs experience quote perceived time suspense they also saw ghosts and other spirits in all that report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases whatever that mark t-minus 10 minutes and counting t-minus 10 but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief there are a lot of people out there who believe that there's something going on there is a professor for the Pope's uh University in Rome and uh he is a very highly respected intellectual uh his last name is Tanzaniti and he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon not not right in the beginning we won't have to um deny our Christian faith in the beginning but there is information coming from another world and once it is confirmed it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it and that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia I'm saying about the nuclear weapons the UFOs were turning our weapons on and then just so Russia could pick up that we're firing our missiles and fire theirs first it was a big chess game so these guys went into complete to start coming up with a defense system against this phenomenon there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are we can't explain uh how they moved their trajectory uh they did not have um an easily explainable pattern and so you know I I think that we're uh people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is there are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet and keep in mind there are a basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe I mean you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there but you've seen this and you've seen the data well no one knows but I think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else the mission of a tip was quite simple it was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous uh aerial vehicles what I guess in the vernacular you you call them UFOs we call them uaps you know how this sounds it sounds nutty wacky look Bill I'm not I'm not telling you that that it doesn't sound wacky what I'm telling you it's real the question is what is it what are its intentions what are its capabilities
13:10 my name is Tom belong most people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called blink 182. I started a company called to the stars that eventually became to the stars Academy of Arts and Science we are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma it's the first time that we had the videos properly declassified and because of that then we had information as far as altitude and speed eyes on Target different systems different um sensors that all corroborated what was happening people start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon and when they they follow what secret machines is going to teach them and mind you as we'll talk about this in a little bit it's not all coming from me it's coming from other people of the highest places the the term the occult in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon than and and and and that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats there is a very very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions and the UFO phenomenon and what you have is something that doesn't like man period and something that feels um either jealous of or um has some kind of plan for what man is to be over the next 10 years I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ this is documented evidence but but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief very soon not just in the beginning we won't have to um deny our Christian faith in the beginning but there is information coming from another world and once it is confirmed it is going to require a re-reading of the Gospel as we know it and that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia I'm now passing the four minute 30 second mark in the countdown still go at this time and the priest had told us could I have a bit more your time I want to do something very fascinating he says the grain plain the master's grain plain for harvesting the nations for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil so we continued you know after we expressed ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits and he said it's going to be done in a unique manner this this grain plain says it's going to take people people are going to eat the stuff because he says spirits demon spirits will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it t minus three minutes and counting t minus three we are go with all elements of the mission at this time we just
18:18 passed the two minute mark in the countdown t minus one minute 54 seconds and counting all indications uh coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are gold guidance system goes on internal at 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds t minus 60 seconds and counting we pass t minus 60 trees to the universe we were never meant to solve but who we are and why we are here are not among them ignition sequence five six five four three two one welcome back to strange normal my name is brad burnham we talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on and there's going to be a lot going on so hit that subscribe button hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen make make sure you hit that little like button too that really helps us leave a comment get your flags ready we always put little flags in our live chat and put them in the regular chat too little little comments and we'll see you next time in the comments section because that's always fun when things happen when you see these things you want to you want to say oh that's definitely a red flag that's something that i need to be concerned about and that's what we like we like to see that we like to see that you're paying attention and we're really excited about this program because it's very juicy in fact but before i forget and i don't usually forget let me bring on my guest tonight eric and matthew hey how are you guys doing doing well brad thanks for having me on i'm excited about tonight you guys um you guys are regulars now on here i think you've been on here twice well uh i guess this might be the first time with video but um we are we've had you on before through the discord chat they are um uh part of our patreon discord uh system if you want to be a part of that too talking to everybody else in the crowd um we you go to patreon.com slash strange normal and you can be a part of the the discord group we talk about everything there before we talk about on this channel we try to grab the juicy things that happen and we bring it to your attention here and so that's what we're going to do tonight we're going to talk more about that and i think we got quite a bit going on you mind if we go over the topics real quick guys and i'll bring it right back to you oh yeah no let's go over some topics brad here we go these are the five main things we're going to talk about tonight um the first one former cia says this is a cult so we gotta we got jim sullivan sullivan simivan simivan on the program uh again he did a podcast and he uh is very adamant about one specific thing and you're going to find out what that thing is by the end of the day into the night tonight but he is absolutely saying he met with some people some agents that uh that said that this thing is certainly a part of something he doesn't want to be a part of so i think that's interesting we're going to talk a little bit about jim's experience as number two we're going to talk about the government has said how uh it does deceive you this thing that's happening the spiritualism that has entered the world and that has uh been around for quite a while but is becoming more prominent right now and we're also going to talk about number four which is uh the government saying ce5 is dangerous you know ce5 is uh when you have that contact through a meditation uh eastern form of meditation with what they think are aliens but are actually spirits and that's that's uh the government has come out and said as uh jim's a former pentagon official government official says that you need to be very careful because there's very there's a lot of testimonies about this in the government agencies and he says this is very dangerous we're going to talk about and we're going to show you where he says that in this uh in this topic last one is is really interesting because this uh if anybody has ever heard of the lord of the rings one of the characters in the lord of the rings
23:48 has come out and said i just hit my microphone i'm sure everyone's ears are going crazy now he said don't touch the occult and i think that's interesting because uh we we often see how hollywood is deep deep entrenched in the occult but he's coming out and saying you know what i agree with some of the government what the government says he doesn't say that exactly but he says that the cult is dangerous and uh we're going to dig into the details and we're going to remember his mouth and we're going to look at his mind and we're going to start off again right the way along with what's happened to um so he's got benevolent. Let me tell you how ignorant that is. And I'm going to lay it right out there and say this is absolutely ignorance to say something like that. And we're going to show you tonight why that is and some of the high-level officials that have absolutely said that is completely stupid, foolish. I don't know a worse word I could say on here about that. But what do you guys think? Yeah, the whole nothing bad has happened yet, so I guess we're all good has probably preceded every disaster in human history. So I think that's not a good point to have about anything, especially not spiritual matters. Hey, what is the common saying? It's the famous last words are, hey, watch this. Yeah, or what could possibly go wrong. Yeah, right, right. Anything, any comments on that, Matthew?
25:45 Well, I think it's interesting that they say, well, they haven't destroyed us yet, so they must be good. They must have our best interest at heart. The truth is that Satan and the rest of the demons, they want to be worshipped by mankind. So if you want someone to worship you, you're not going to destroy them, right? You're going to keep them around so that the worshipping can take place. Yeah, I don't think that they need to be worried about Satan destroying them. He's going to enslave them. You're going to wish you were destroyed after Satan's done with you. No, destruction, vengeance, that belongs to the Lord. Yes, absolutely. As I pull up my notes here, I know the first one we have on the program on the docket tonight is the introduction to Jim Semivan, and to find out exactly just how much he knows and how long he's been in the Pentagon as a CIA official. I think that's the right word. Well, we're going to find out here in a second. He's going to give his own introduction through another podcast, and we're going to find out exactly what he says. And comment on it a little bit, because we're finding that a lot of these guys, they know the story. They know the, not the story, not the whole story. They know the narrative, but they don't know what's truly going on behind the scenes. And they have just a sliver of understanding behind it, because they know there's something bad, but they don't know why it's happening.
27:04 We know why it's happening, and I'm going to do a shameless plug here. If you haven't seen the reason it's happening, you should watch Starfall, starfallmovie.com. We'll get you to that documentary. Go to starfallmovie.com, watch that documentary, and you will see that documentary has everything in it. It's only 30 minutes. You've got to watch it. You've got to see it in order to understand exactly what's going on here, because it's quite phenomenal. Without further ado, I think we're going to get into the first introduction of Jim Semivan. Shall we? We shall. Here we go. BCIA in 1982, I was, I went in and I worked for the Director of Science and Technology for a couple years, two or three years, and then I switched over. I was asked to switch over to the Directorate of Operations. I went through all the training, became an ops officer, worked overseas, also in the United States, various places in the U.S., a lot of TDYs overseas. I rose through the ranks, became a senior manager at CIA, and then retired in 2007, took a little time off, and then went back and worked with them part-time for the next 12 years.
28:35 I'm going to stop it right there. And he goes on and runs into a tangent about something else after that meeting, the officials that are actually looking into this stuff. So I want to pause here and say, I'm going to stop it right there. I'm going to stop it right there. And talk about it. He's actually a very decorated, I guess you could say, person for staying in the Pentagon for that long. A lot of people, even in the private sector, don't stay in their job for as long as he has. So I think that's interesting. And you guys, you guys know that because you don't necessarily haven't worked much in the private sector. You worked in the, what do they call it, the public sector? What is that called? The military, I guess? Well, yeah, the military, your work. The government is what, and I don't think Jimmy, I don't think Jim Simivant ever said he was in the Pentagon. I mean, if he's in the CIA, that's Langley, Virginia, just across the river. So maybe he was in the Pentagon at some point, but Pentagon is typically, you know, military. Very good. The thing, one of the things that I do like about Jim is that he says he worked in advanced technology, and he just sticks to that. Sometimes you have these guys who have a military background, they have a government background, and they'll just go off on the strangest tangents. You can tell they're kind of like milking it a little. They're, they go off the rails. Like, you know, when I was in the Navy, I had a secret clearance as a sonar technician. Does that mean I was digging around in all the secret files? No, but I had access to secret material that was about sonar. So that was my area. I couldn't speak to necessarily what someone else in radar with the secret clearance had, because that didn't pertain.
30:15 So I do like that about Jim. At least he sticks to his story, whereas some people will just go like, oh, yeah, I was, you know, I was over here. I worked under this mountain, and then I went to this bunker. And it's just like, okay, dude, like, I doubt that. Yeah, I, the way, and we'll see it probably in the rest of these clips, is that, you know, I have no reason to question his bona fides. Like, he talks as somebody who has actually done, you know, classified things. Dealt with classified material, and he has the right terminology. So he seems legit from at least my experience, again, in the Navy. So. Yeah. And he talks about a specific story we're going to mention immediately in here that we're going to get back to at the end of the program about Chris Bledsoe. And so he's going to talk about that right now. But he's also going to talk about his experience as an experiencer. Apparently, he's had quite an experience, too, personally, so let's, let's dive into that and see exactly what he says. Here we go. You know, we look at Chris Bledsoe's experience, probably one of the most dramatic. If you hear him tell the story, it's just absolutely incredible. And if you know the man, you know, you know, this is a guy who's about a straight up, honest, decent human being that you could possibly imagine. And I believe every word he tells me.
31:45 And, um, about this, and not only do I believe every word he tells me, he attracted the attention of a lot of people, DIA, NASA, CIA, he met the entities themselves. And he also met the lady. Yeah. The lady. Not many people meet the lady. And I think, and the lady is, is an element in all of this that really hasn't been explored um very much um i i i will tell you that in some circles it's taken very very seriously um but um it hasn't been explored um the catholic church looked at it you know because a lot of the sightings you know medjugorje um um you know fatima uh lords uh you know they were all the lady appeared um you know nobody that was none of the children that saw any of this ever claimed it was it was a virgin mary it was it was just the lady it was just a lady who showed up right and uh i doubt the virgin mary had blonde hair and blue eyes right medic um so and and of course you know the lady would lie and the lady you know would scare the living hell out of them and um you know fire and brimstone sometimes sometimes lovely messages a typical a typical uh you know abduction scenario where where these beings you know uh come to people and they tell them stories they have the line about the you know the environment and um things along those lines but they're generally um they generally there's a trickster element to it there is a um a physical uh a not very nice physical element to it there's a very strong sexual element to it um uh it's uh it's not i mean sexual is homoerotic in some cases uh it's and i don't i don't know what the hell you make of that uh you know i have no idea um but these are all strong light motifs that run through these these abduction scenarios so i think we have to be very very careful when we talk about it so there's a lot of characteristics there guys that i think is interesting and the reason why i included the blood so because he uh in so early in this program is because we're going to come back to that later on but it included things in this clip that i thought was pertinent like the catholic church it talked about the lady and and this is from what i understand and what i think he's what is the most interesting about this is he's coming at this from not only a personal view but also he's saying that from what i understand inside the government we have looked into this but this lady thing is something we haven't really explored much but it has happened and he gives all these different scenarios that are going through that are typical and so that's that's kind of what he went through there there are a lot of different characteristics care to comment on any of those absolutely and matt can start this one yeah i have a bit of a background in this uh i was a practicing catholic so i know exactly what he's talking about he's talking about marion apparitions and marion apparitions are something that has to be approved by the vatican it's not just something that's like oh i think mary appeared to me in my garage and they're like oh marion apparition no it's it's a procedure it's the same way that when they canonize a saint it's not just like we think this guy was a decent guy let's make him a saint no you gotta go through a whole board of approval there's uh boxes to check so the lady and the vatican are the ones that are going to be approved by the vatican and what he was talking about their lords um fatima magigore he's talking about different locations where the lady has appeared and has been confirmed by the catholic church as a marion apparition uh it seems like jim gets it though he gets that this is not mary he doesn't seem to understand that it's a demon but he he gets that it's not mary he even mentions that the fatima children
36:05 never said it was mary which is true that first they just described this as a short being with large eyes uh it frightened them i mean i think anyone would be frightened coming into contact with something like this that's the natural response so yeah the lady itself it's a it's a very weird thing very strange because he said that it's rare that doesn't appear to everybody and she always brings these messages like he said marion apparitions are famous for it they always talk about the end of the world and the world talks about her cup her cup is overflowing she really assumes the role of god and jesus she's this figure that is reprimanding humanity and telling us we need to turn from our ways and she'll say things like um my son holds heavy on my hand and i can't keep a grip on him any longer soon he will take his wrath on the world lest blah blah blah happens and yeah it's it's a messy thing but if you want to know what he's talking about look into marion apparitions this sounds like one and the same it sounds like gaia from captain planet or something or or it's like he also mentioned it was blonde hair blue eyes and big eyes that sounds more like an anime character than it sounds like an alien not to put you on the spot matthew but uh off the top of your head how many what percentage of people would you say accept the vatican's interpretation of this event just because the vatican said so well there are different types of catholics there are cultural catholics there are people who just claim to be catholic and they really don't go to mass all that often maybe they go for an easter mass or a christmas mass then there are those who take it a little more seriously you know maybe they show up every sunday for mass then you have people where i was going to mass multiple times a week because you believe that engaging with the ritual this is what's bringing me closer to god i'm doing god's will by coming to mass by participating in the communion jesus laid it out very clearly gotta eat the bread gotta drink the blood you know this is how i inherit eternal life so within those factions there are people who are total marion like worshipers it gets weird like if you want to look into it there's like the legion of mary red fruit flag there the legion of mary uh that's that's a whole brotherhood that's dedicated to saying rosary prayers and just adoring mary and they see her as a mediatrix which means a female mediator between god and man she takes the place of jesus uh so for a percentage off the top of my head i would say it's it's rough but i can't give like a definitive number but i will say that there is a number of people who are catholic and take it very seriously the vatican they are the authority on the matter i mean that they're the ones who inherited the throne of peter that's what it all goes back to it's like this is jesus's church so that's what they say it goes yeah yes yes they think they are i guess the point i was getting at is that you know potentially millions if not tens of millions of people if there is some type of alien disclosure or something like that and the vatican endorses that they're going to go along with it just right there yes definitely and i mean even the uh like i said the cultural catholics or the people who are a little more lukewarm on it they'll go along with the diehard people you know they'll look to them and be like oh these are the church-going catholics like i better listen to them they know what's going on because they've been sitting at mass while i've been at home so yes obviously it's true disent 민 and uh boulevard are the people who are a bit more kόσowian i know that'd be interesting and you know a bit herdish and a bit deceitful but i know we could talk about it a little bit more tomorrow but yeah we could get like a few minutes of a آماناating doesillel перес Before we go to the west so do you have any thoughts on you know smooth speels yeah i guess just coming back to what christ just said with that time that movement just vanish the passage and it's complicated i get all gay i i know that fit lets just put like a full we don't wanna wait yeah if there's any officers you know w Aujourd за yeah söy that would be interesting Slow down. We got, we got something, something coming here. That's, that's pretty big. Okay. So the next, next section, the next clip I have, I have 11 clips here is going to talk about his experience and what happened to him exactly. So you can kind of get a background of what's going on before he gets into what he really believes about it. Check this out. So people probably
41:03 heard that you, you were an experiencer. You mentioned it here. Can you talk a little bit about your experience? We lived in a house that had poltergeist activity, what I would call very tame poltergeist activity, you know, footsteps, many of you went to bed, footsteps in the hall, you know, the attic, people in the footsteps in the attic, footsteps outside, articles, you know, of clothing or shoes being left in weird places, things along those lines. lines um my wife and i being woken up in the middle of the night by cigarette smoke and so so i'm sure there was an element of that there um but um what was disquieting about our experience was the physical manifestations um uh afterwards uh and i had nowhere to go with this and it wasn't until it was a few days later i didn't know what to make of it it was just the most amazing thing i've ever experienced my wife doesn't remember anything and um um although she was uh affected very seriously affected by it and uh and um but the next day later two days later i was at work and i was in a cia outbuilding and i had maybe about a dozen people working for me time and I was chasing him home I remember on a Friday night and get out of the office you guys are you know and uh and then I explained what had happened to me through to one of my guys there and he was a deep cover guy um he had just come back from the Middle East and a very smart guy I knew he had a PhD and I know he'd written books and and uh and he and I explained this to him because he told me he was going to a UFO conference in Virginia down in southern Virginia and he um told me what he thought it was and uh and I was completely taken aback because I had studied esoterica and in the occult my whole life since I was a kid you know 17 18 my older brother was a huge influence on me in that remark I mean my brother older brother was a very devout catholic but he was also a um uh very highly developed spiritually and um um and so he would turn me on to a lot of things so I was in the Greek mystery schools Roman mystery schools and I was in the Greek mystery schools and I was in the Greek mystery mystery schools and I was in the Greek mystery schools and I was in the Greek mystery schools um Eleusinian Mysteries uh you know Western mysticism Eastern mysticism things along those lines German romanticism you know which has a lot of mysticism involved in it so uh this concept um you know of high strangers wasn't wasn't new to me but when he explained me what it was and he wrote down a list of all the books I should read and they were almost mostly joc-fil-a right right so that's what I did early 90s maybe 91 92 and this happened interesting so there's a couple key points there I want to point out real quick um he he didn't outright say it and I I I realized that but I think you can read between the lines and what's going on here because number one let's let's look into what just happened here he's having poltergeist activity in his house and so that tells me that probably usually not always but usually you got something occult going on in your house something occult has come back to your house you've been involved in the occult so you've been involved in the occult so you've been involved in the occult somehow and it's leeched on latched onto you and you come back or something you got to get this thing out of your house so number one he's he's had some he's touched this stuff and number two uh he talked to a guy that has a phd from is a deep cover guy from the middle east and that he goes to ufo conferences and he tells him something I'm going to leave it there just for a moment he tells him something I'm just reiterating what he said now why didn't he tell him tell us exactly what he told us well I think he did because then he goes immediately into religion he says a religion and a cult yeah I didn't I didn't know what to think about it but but I am a you know catholic I have uh understood the things about the occult so you know what the guy said at this point because he just revealed it he's told him that this something's bad is this this is probably occultic this is something to do with religion and so I'm not sure what maybe you guys can fill me in on what esoterica is but um it definitely has something to do with uh with what he and he filled him in on on probably a little bit of truth on what's going on what do you think
45:31 yeah the esoteric is like the hidden um knowledge you know that's you if you look at a cult group like free mason masonry there's the exoteric that's for the profane us you know masses the plebs and there's the esoteric that's for the enlightened um and so it's all this body of hidden knowledge that people who engage with this stuff that's what they're trying to they're trying to be you know at the top one percent of the one percent people in control um and this what you just mentioned kind of made me think of something interesting that I hadn't thought of before um before I came to Christ I had kind of experimented with uh not so much the occult aspect but like astral projection and things like that and I had read a lot about it before I started trying to do it and I didn't get very far I didn't get like you know completely out of my body but I did experience some of the things that I read about and so I wonder if he was involved in researching all this stuff before he got to the point where he was like I don't know I don't know he had this experience I wonder how much of that primed him or how much of you know the experience that he had was because he read specific things because once you open those doors you have to they will stay open until you specifically close them and the only way to really reliably do that is Jesus Christ of course so just simply reading something that is a cult no well I don't so I don't know the mechanics of it like I don't I mean if you definitely have occult things in your house if you don't really Excuse me but you're not repeat it um uh here's the thing though the bomb earthquake and where the animal Pew skirt was produced that name I think it's basically teraz called right I guess can I just laugh him off Christ she's like you know what I wanna keep thinking about all these things and so it was like I wanted to know a little bit, you know, and now that you're saying things like he was kind of being influenced it would be great if their influence was just really clear because I mean you just kind of have no idea why they didn't they didn't involved in any way and he was he had these ideas in his mind like Oh, this is what this experience is is saying esoterica is not necessarily like a religion or a cult it's just the whole idea that there is a hidden doctrine that there's isn't that isn't esoteric the idea that uh that the snake was the revealer of light isn't that the whole concept that's gnosticism that's gnosticism okay i believe is that so yeah that's an that's an example of it that's an esoteric doctrine okay i got you now so not everybody knows that it's only for a select few ah okay okay so you can always think of it in these terms just to help anyone else else out there exoteric it's like almost you remember biology exoskeleton exo means outer so that is the outer doctrine when we talk about an exoteric thing that would be like if i'm going to use the catholic church as an example those you know going to mass and having the symbols and like oh yeah i'm like partaking in the blood and the flesh of christ then there's the esoteric doctrine where you have the pope sitting in the vatican getting his power directly from satan there you go there's the difference like between the two things but that's how it works and some people i mean they get into esoterica like he's saying they get into the hidden doctrines and it fills them with pride it does because they look at the rest of us and they think i know something you don't know oh you know take a look at that symbol what do you think that symbol means oh whatever it is you know the metal you know like when people do the sign of the horns and they're throwing up rock and roll so you have like politicians who are on stage going rock and roll and it's like hey you're a politician what do you have to do just just shut up i'm just i'm rocking and rolling kids it's no there's an esoteric meaning it's a it's a salute to satan that's what it is what do you know about jacques valet because i thought it was interesting that this guy who said you know this is this is probably more religious or more occult than than you realize introduced him to jacques valet can i i'll tell you everything i know about him so far when i looked up his books he's not christian but but his books seem to indicate that he is uh convinced that this thing might be a deception and so i i actually i i don't like getting into this deep digging deep into this stuff much but i do like to have references in case i want to look for myself so i have his book these are two of jacques valet's books on hand here and what are the names of those books so check this out this is why i i i got these messengers of deception ufo contacts and cults and revelations alien contact and human deception and so i thought that was interesting that uh i bought them only because they said deception on them and uh i don't plan on reading
50:18 them all the way through because i don't want to dive too deep into it but i do think that it's interesting that this book is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book that is a book non-christian looked at the facts and said these are deceptive that's all i know yeah i don't know very much about jacques fouley um which i should probably do a little bit of a dive into him and figure him out because he gets mentioned all the time he's a very popular name these guys throw his name around and i do know like you said he's not a christian guy but just that book alone messengers of deception we know angel means messenger right yeah it's fascinating Jock, are you trying to say something? Just come out for Jesus, Jock. It's all right. I think he's still alive, too. We're having a great time. Yeah. He is. Yeah, so pray for him. Absolute. You have any comments on that, Eric? Otherwise, I think we got another clip coming. No, yep, we can move on. Check us out. Next clip we got coming up here. Let me bring that Discord up here. How it deceives you. Okay, so here he's going to get into some examples from his experience as a CIA officer as how it deceives us.
51:34 And he talks about a couple of these scenarios. He gets really, really passionate about this later on. But here he's beginning to explain some stuff that's kind of interesting. Here we go. I remember when Jock came to my house and, you know, he spent the whole day with us. And I said, And, look, I said, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think I'm crazy, I said. But I know what I saw. I said, you know, I'm laying in bed. My eyes open up and I see this. These entities. I said that it was as real as me talking to you. And I said, it wasn't like I'm dreaming. I knew what hypnagogic state was. My wife's a psychologist. I knew what hypnagogic state was.
52:27 I know what liminal states are. I mean, these are concepts that were very familiar to me. Definitely not there. I mean, it was not bad at all. And then, you know, and then there was this other series of stuff that went on. And then next thing you know, it's, you know, 7 o'clock in the morning. My eyes just pop open and I'm like, you know, what the hell? And then there were the physical marks. I mean, and these were not, you know, little tiny things. These are, these are, there's blood, right? So I remember it's like. So that's about as far as I'm going to go with that. So, yeah. Okay. And just a yes or no on this then. Was there like a telepathic component? Yeah. You know, it's interesting you say that. There, the only, was no fear at all.
53:25 But I was unable to move. Yeah. And then there was one element of it where I was. Standing with my wife and I felt very strongly something behind me, an entity behind me with sort of a, you know, guardian type kind of thing going on, but, you know, and these kinds of experiences and for a lot of your, your listeners out there who've had these, and I remember Chris Bledsoe, you know, had them too. I mean, you, you get these. And a lot of people come to some type of accommodation over, over time period, right? Right, right. Yeah. They look at it and they say, okay, the initial horror of it, you know, rubs off and then somehow like for Chris Bledsoe, it morphed into this new way of seeing the world. And, and, and he has become a healer, a deeply, deeply spiritual man. He was a deeply religious man, but now he's a deeply spiritual man. Mm-hmm. Which I find. Which I find, uh, much more fascinating, uh, and his love has only grown.
54:39 Me, on the other hand, nah, nah. He said, nah. So that's, uh, that, that, that, that point right there, I think is fascinating. And so this isn't this, uh, my apologies. I actually skipped, uh, skipped the clip. This is not his, uh, word deceives you. This is, uh, his continued testimony about what happened to him. And so what I find fascinating about that. Is that he said, and we're going to deal with Chris Bledsoe a little bit further later on, but he said Chris Bledsoe, it turned him from a spirit, uh, from a religious man to a spiritual man. I think those, those words are important to decipher between because you can be, you can be religious and actually not have anything to do with God. But usually if you're religious, you're following what religion says, particularly, usually the Bible.
55:27 If you become a spiritual person, usually that doesn't mean that you're a religious person. It doesn't mean that you're following what the Bible says, you don't believe in a morale, but you believe that there are spirits. And so I think that's interesting, but this experience that Bledsoe had turned him into that. We're going to dig, dive, dive deep into Bledsoe here, um, in the coming episode, because I think he's probably an important character that might be something that we need to touch on. But, but what do you guys think? Yeah. I think that the, the word games, uh, are an example of how Satan twists things and, you know, cause spiritual, you know, if you're a Christian, spiritual means one thing, but then if you're new age, spiritual means something completely different. And so it's a way of, you have to be know who, who is speaking to kind of get the context and kind of figure out what they're saying. Like for example, when a Luciferian prays to God or says, God bless you, that's not the God that people, normal people, you know, would just be like, oh, you know, thank you.
56:27 But it's like when somebody, you know, who's involved with that is saying that they're meaning something totally different. And how normal people would take it. Hmm. Hmm. Absolutely. Why do you, why are you spilling Matthew? I mean, Eric is just right. He's so right about the word games. It's just funny how, how that works out because you know, that's part of the, uh, part of the whole game, isn't it? Or you, you say one thing, but you mean another, and, uh, that's part of having a forward mind. Uh, that's F R O and Proverbs. You read a lot about that. Um, and it means to be. It means to be double minded. It means to have like this split kind of consciousness and that's what a lot of these people have to have. Cause it's like, I know these dual meanings and, uh, I, I think it's interesting. Someone in the chat, uh, brought up that, yeah, he talks about how he's like, I'm not afraid.
57:22 I wasn't afraid at all. It wasn't a scary experience. And then he turns around and he's like, there were marks and there was blood and dying. I know. Oh, I wasn't. Okay. I mean, I kind of understand what he's saying about not fearing. Cause when you're in that state, I've been in that state before, I believe when I first started doing this, I had that experience where I, they call it, um, night paralysis and you wake up, you can't move, but you have this fear, this feeling, I can't describe it. This feeling of absolute terror that's over the top of you. And I think that's what he was saying. He's like, it's not a, it wasn't a typical, uh, uh, uh, you know, night terror type thing, but it was a, uh, I, I woke up and I didn't have that. That same fear, but you're right. So he woke up, he didn't have a seer, but something obviously maybe it was himself. Maybe the demonic forces made him poke holes in himself. Who knows? But, um, I don't, I don't know, but it's definitely something to think about. No, it's interesting that you bring that up, that it could be like a self-inflicted type of a, a wound.
58:24 Um, yeah, I, I had a bad brush with demonic entities, didn't see anything, but definitely felt the presence. That's part of why I got out of Catholicism. It was cause I realized doing the stuff was, uh, attracting these things into my home. But I remember there were like three nights where things were getting progressively worse. And on the second to last night, um, I woke up in the morning and I was like, oh, I had a terrible dream, but my mouth was burning and I was like, what is going on? Like there's a real burning feeling in my mouth. And I checked and I had my wife check and it was like teeth marks on the inside of my lip right here. Yeah. And it was so deep that I still have. Yeah. Yeah. I still have some scar tissue from, so, but it was one of those things I didn't notice when I woke up at first, it was like, it was dawning on me. I'm like, oh, my mouth is kind of burning out. That's kind of hurts. And looking at it, it's like, I don't think I bit myself that hard, but there are the marks.
59:19 So it's interesting that you say that. Yeah. Like that. It could be a self-inflicted thing. I don't know if they like you're panicking or, you know, maybe as creepy as this is, maybe they do have possession of your body and they can force you to. To self-harm. That's another possibility. Interesting. Yeah. The scripturally there's precedent for that, you know, the demons that were possessing the, the two guys that were hanging out by the tombs and then they were cut all over and they couldn't bind them with chains. And then when Jesus cast them out, they drove a herd of swine off a cliff. So again, as we're going to get into more clips here, some very strong warnings not to get involved with these beings. Right. There was a child that was throwing himself on the fire as well. Yes. His father came to Jesus and said, he keeps throwing himself on the fire, which is like crazy, but there, there you have it.
1:00:09 I mean. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's, that's interesting. Those two examples are the guy cutting himself over there and then the guy flowing. Yeah. That's a hundred percent what's probably going on. So I think it's interesting too, that he also mentioned, and I'm just, I'm just pulling out different, different words. He said, remember how he said in the previous clip, my wife didn't remember, but then he mentions right here that he's standing beside his wife. So I, I, I'm not sure what the make of that, but I, this is how I'm putting it together. A lot of times when you experience something spiritual, even a possession type scenario, or something enters into your body to give you this idea, maybe you see a UFO UAP or some other thing. It's not always physical. It might be this thing has inhabited and put this thing into your mind. They can put ideas into your mind. They can make you feel certain ways and they can produce memories in your head. It wouldn't be far fetched to think that they also could make you see things that wasn't there.
1:01:15 Kind of like, you know how we have augmented reality. You know what I mean by that? Right? Yeah. Well, you just did an episode. It was like, I don't know. It wasn't last week, but it was a few, it was recent where there was the woman describing it. She was the one that got lost in the woods. Um, and she, it was missing time. And she came back. The guy was looking for it. It was like 45 minutes later or something like that. But it was that it was that episode. It was talking about how two people needed these things like UFOs and things. They will appear different to different people or not appear at all. Like there's been instances where one person can see them and the other person can't. So I mean, we're dealing with because we're dealing with intelligent beings that can absolutely choose how they appear and whom they appear to. That's what I think, Matthew, you have any idea? Well, just to the point that angels. They have this ability to their messengers, right?
1:02:06 So they deliver messages. Let's look at the good angels. Let's talk about the good angels for a minute, everyone. Let's back away from the evil for a second and just thank God for the decent things. So when the good angels come and they visit the prophets, they bring visions. They bring very distinct and they form memories obviously in their mind because they're able to share the experience they had. Yeah. They're able to interpret it. That's another thing too. You'll find that the bad angels give you just a bunch of nonsense and the good angels give you this message from God. It's structured. It's ordered. If we go through the Bible, we can find prophecy is amazing. By the way, if you're a Christian in the chat, open up your Bible and start looking at some prophecy because you'll see that it'll distinctly say what certain things are.
1:02:59 I know it gets wild. Yeah. I'm reading through Revelation. If you're into prophecy, I wouldn't start with Revelation. My advice would be to go through the prophets because in the prophets, you actually have definitions for the symbols. An example that I can give is in Daniel, it says specifically that a beast is a kingdom. So once you have that, it's like, boom, all of a sudden, Revelation is going to unfold before you because you're like, the beast, oh, this isn't like a man. This is like a political thing. And then it's like the woman riding the beast. It's like, okay, well, what is the woman? Yes. A woman is a church. A woman is a religious system. Oh, a woman on top of a religious system on top of a political system. What could this be? Boom. It's the papacy. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Yeah, right. That's just an example of how amazing it is.
1:03:50 If you really dive deep, dig deep into it. Right. Well, we're going to do a whole episode on that someday, but spoiler alert, that's probably what you're going to find. What I also thought was interesting. Yeah. What I thought was interesting though is that he said that he felt a guardian behind him. That's weird. I mean, Satan can make you feel anything. It might have been good. It might have been bad, but fascinating words that he used there. Anyway, just putting that out there. Physical wounds morphed into a new way to see the world and changed his religion to spiritual, but not so for Jim. He maintained his course. Let's move on to see what, besides his experience, what he found out within the other experiences and job site, I think is what we're going to go into now. I'm going to say, I think this time, because I'm missing one out of the 11 clips.
1:04:49 One of them's missing. So let's find out what that is. I said, it's extremely problematic for me that this phenomenon doesn't introduce a change. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. And it's not going to introduce itself. It will come to you. It will tease you, cajole you, screw around with your head, tell you wonderful things, lie to you, tell you that you have a special purpose. And I said, but, it doesn't introduce itself to your parents. Metaphorically speaking. It doesn't come out. It just doesn't say, this is who we are. it is. And so where does that really leave you? What do you, what can you say about it?
1:05:38 So I look at this. And so when I get these young kids, you know, they're calling me and they'll say like, you know, Mr. Simivan, I want to get involved. And no, you don't want to get involved in it. I said, it's a, it's a one-way street. It is a classic wilderness of mirrors. It is Alice's rabbit hole. And I said, you can't, you can dive as deep as you want to dive in there. I said, it's fascinating. It's a lot of fun. I said, you're not going to get anywhere. I said, get a job, save your money. You know, and I've told this a very senior government people. I said, you're never going to come out with this because you don't know what it is and you can't explain it. And this goes back to the sovereignty principle, right? It was this wonderful article that was written by Alexander Wendt. And I can't remember the other gentleman's name from Ohio state. And I'm basically saying, you really expect the president of the United States to come out and say, well, you know, we discovered that there's an entity out there, or there's a, some kind of a technology out here. We don't think it's human, but yet it has the ability to control our lives. It knows everything about us. It can lie to us. It can, you know, change our reality at will. He's supposed to, his job is to protect us, right? Military's job is to protect us. Well, if he's telling you that, everything's wide open. Religious scholars don't want to get, I mean, religious people, I should say, don't want to go there either because where's God in all this? Oh. What? He just opened up a can of worms. Where is God in all of this, Jim? I think we know where God is. This opens up for, I'm out of words. That's what's happening to me right now. I think what's going on here is there is absolutely God in this. And we are, the problem is the whole universe is in a giant court system. We have been absolutely sanctioned off, quarantined, if you would say, and we have to have this scene played out.
1:07:28 And fortunately, Satan can't just do his darndest on everything because God is bigger and he's still in control and he can still do that. But if we open up ourselves to this thing by doing these things, then we're allowing things to happen. I think that's where he's missed it because God is absolutely in this stuff and he can help us. In fact, Joe Jordan, who has been on the program a few times, he says he has evidence. There's been over 400 documented cases where you call out to Jesus' name as someone who passionately and truly believes in Jesus, and he will help you. It will disappear. So that just tells me that Semivan hasn't done his research. Well, he asked the question, you know, where's God in all this? And the answer is, it's the other side of the coin that he's not describing. So he describes demons and Satan, like they will lie to you, they will deceive you, they will do all this horrible stuff. Well, God is the exact opposite of that. And, you know, take this, you know, anybody who's watching this, and you check out Jim Semivan, and he's not the only person with a story like this, who describes these horrible experiences. Just ask yourself, like, these qualities that he's describing, would you accept them? Would you want to deal with a human being who lied to you, who deceived you? Who treated you this way? Most of us, most sane, rational people would say, no, you don't have those type of people in your life, ideally. So why would you get involved with beings, you know, especially more powerful than you, that can deceive you on a level where you don't even know you're being deceived? And that's a big danger, I think, with a lot of people who go down, like he said, it goes down the rabbit hole, is it's going to lead, they're going to, it's not the rabbit hole you think you're, you're not getting the whole truth. They're going to lead you down, there's so many branches that they can put you in of deception. And the only way out is to, well, one, don't get engaged with it at all. But two, if you are engaged with it, go to Jesus Christ. That's the only turnaround. And that's the light behind you that you need to be running to. Yeah, Jesus is going to take like a drill. And you're like way down in that rabbit hole. And he's just gonna go right down. He's gonna pull you out. And you're gonna be like, thank you, Jesus. I'm so glad he'll do it for you. Eric is absolutely right. It's hard. I mean, I imagine to see God in it when you are just totally cloaked in darkness. Makes sense to me. One other thing that Jim did mention in that clip was that he said government is not going to disclose this information, which you had a Mikey Jenny on a while back. And that was one of the things that he mentioned was that it's going to be a push from the public to release the information and that it's not necessarily going to be a public information. And that's not necessarily going to be a public information.
1:10:23 And that's not necessarily going to be a public information. And that's not necessarily going to a governmental disclosure that's fascinating to me because you don't have to think of it in terms of uh like the government is actually resisting it that could just be the way that they want it to play out uh they they want the people to be involved in it and it seems like from what we understand you have to have a personal connection with it you have to have this willingness to be like i want to know i want if you're there i want to see you it's the same way when you say that to god god if you're there show up in my life and he does he'll show up in a tremendous way and your life will be changed but unfortunately if you just call out to whatever and say hey alien entities if you're there i want to see you i'm giving you the permission come on in and they will i mean they're waiting trust me they're forcing your locks at all times so if you just open the door to them they're like thank you very much and they're gonna wipe their feet on your uh carpet and make themselves bring seven friends with them yeah exactly absolutely and there's also another part to this is about how because he's referring to the government um a lot of people have this the idea that like the government if you watch the x files or something like that it's like you know the government is just as baffled they're trying to figure out what this is or they're trying to reverse engineer a craft but this kind of ties into something that uh lou alessandro was talking about is the people at the the really high up they already know that this is demonic that these are interdimensional spirit beings and they're not nice so that's why they're not gonna you know they can't just come out and say that and that they can do all these things and that they're essentially powerless minions let's say you know we look at them as oh the elites on the in the human world they have all the money or they have the power of government it's like they know that they're powerless yeah i think it was interesting what he said about the government too he said well you think the government's going to be able to do what they want to do but they're not going to do what they want to be able to just say hey yeah let me tell you the whole public that there's this this thing that we can't control and it's going to control you and you're not the the highest part of the food chain is what i've heard a lot of people say um and you uh not that they eat us but that absolutely they are more powerful these things are more powerful than us fortunately we're on the side of people that are people entities god angels good angels that are more powerful than them so i think it's it's interesting that he says this deceives you it's a one-way street it's a maze of mirrors and um and this is all from his experience i assume from his job and so this is an official unofficial statement from an ex-employee of of um some of the highest secretive branches so i think that's that's pretty remarkable let me see what else we got uh going on here considers uh it's dangerous activity so let's see it deceives you it doesn't say who it is it uh the kids should not be involved it told the government the people it's dangerous it's funny it's funny example so we're gonna tell the eight-year-old that this thing is uh is it is dangerous that they shouldn't get into it well don't tell the 60 year old either i mean like you know tell tell everybody not to get involved in a gym there's no age limit on this this isn't you know 18 and up you know it's funny because sometimes he walks it back though sometimes he walks it back i think uh one of the things you guys said was cognitive dissonance a little bit and he's like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know he's like well you know it's not that bad so i i think we're going to get into that just a little bit uh further as we go on but maybe maybe right here unless you guys have some other comment on that i'm going to pull up the next clip what's the journey on here we go i'd like to view the i like to view the phenomenon through the light of the um the gin there you go because the gin are essentially you know these people made of you know plasma type kind of fire you know the cultural talk about it but they're known to be you know to share some of the human characteristics in the sense that they're emotional and they can be uh they could be tricksters they can be some are not very nice and some are very very nice and all this kind of stuff so i have to look at it like that so but when you're going out into that unknown undiscovered country as shakespeare said um and you're having these experience and you come close to it or you it you know you don't have any control of what you're attracting you can go out with the best interest the most pure thoughts and attract something that maybe isn't it isn't is going to be very good for you or very healthy for you psychologically or physically the proof of that
1:15:10 is in skinwalker i mean you know there's skinwalker classified near skinwalker unclassified but let me tell you i saw you know some of the effects of skinwalker on some of these guys my friends not good at all and uh both psychologically and um physically when you use a ouija board when you when you uh get into any kind of a trance uh particularly with a lot of people and you attract something um you know uh it could be uh it could be it could be a neutral position kind of thing it could be fun but sometimes it's not fun and and uh you know so i always say just proceed with caution proceed with caution there he is walking it back like you said brad don't get involved don't do it don't do it proceed with caution sometimes it's fun i don't know if we'll come across this clip uh but in that interview he does talk about like if you're gonna do this stuff have a really strong psychological profile do you have that clip is that one of the clips i don't remember that's really funny about it it's it's ridiculous and it also it attracts that type of a person too who's like well i think i have a pretty strong psychological profile maybe i'm special and i'm gifted and i can interact with these beings it attracts that type of a person but uh i think it was very interesting that he mentioned the gin uh specifically because a couple episodes back two episodes back you uh showed clips from the merged podcast yes and the guest the guest was dr gary nolan and dr gary nolan he was quoted he said that the quran talks about gin these things between angels and humans if you have muslim friends ask them about the gin and then we have jim here talking about the gin to me i i think that the quran it's one of those things right there's an exoteric understanding of the quran and then there's an esoteric understanding of the quran and i believe that some of these people they read through it and they see the gin and they're like this is where it fits in to the hierarchy there's there's a class of being between angel and man i don't because i believe in islam angels are not fallen they're not evil it's the gin that have the potential to be evil i think they even say that satan was a gin and not an angel someone in the in the comments if you're familiar with this please uh verify that and then verify that but you have these people who are bringing up the gin the gin the gin and like you know they're related to the genies which goes into genius uh you know we have that word for someone who is gifted uh intellectually they're a genius because they have like this genie spirit kind of attached to them uh yeah i just think it's so fascinating that they they marry this spiritual element to something that when i had first heard about ufo uap you would think okay it seems kind of weird but i'm sure it's just some government's secret technology you know and it's showing up on radars and people don't know what it is so of course they're gonna say it's aliens it's visitors from other worlds then you actually get you get to listening to these people who actually do the legwork they're the people who are researching this and talking about it all the time and they're really spiritual and talking about this stuff all the time blows my mind really it's interesting too i don't know what the exactly the the mus uh the islamic faith teaches about genies or gin in particular other than what you just mentioned but in popular culture what do these beings do they grant wishes right aladdin you know i mean little light does you know they delve into the disney and the movies and all the occult stuff in there you look at aladdin a genie granting wishes well demons and satan will grant you'll give you stuff they'll give you success they'll give you money in this in this system in this world uh but it's going to come at a price and um as you know jim has found out as he knows people who have found out in fact you're going to get into i think some of the clips of negative things that have happened to people there's a there's a heavy price to pay and ultimately you know an eternal price if we don't um get away from this stuff uh and come to god so yeah and i like what he said you don't have control over what you're attracting here and then he ties it to the
1:20:11 holy spirit or talk to angels or something like good angels like through a ouija board and it's just a ouija board but it's like brightly colored it's got like wings and stuff on us oh okay oh man it's like yeah i have some cyanide for you i'm gonna paint it pink like it's not this is this is why this is this is why god has preserved the bible like for this reason because it's inspired that's how the holy spirit you know he's communicating to mankind and it even says multiple times test you know anybody even if you're an angel for god you're not an angel and you're not a god you're not a god because if you go from the heaven but if they're not speaking according to this gospel they're accursed um so that is the criteria and that's why god has it there because if we don't again if you don't have this lens the biblical lens to view it through you're going to go all over the into any one of however many rabbit holes satan has prepared for you to go into to lose you and he talks about skinwalker classified and unclassified so in other words he's heard stories here and there about i know what is that classified unclassified but what it's just it's more of that stuff it's like i told you when people get the esoteric knowledge the insider story they go oh now i know something really important and that makes me an important person so that's why he's dropping that it's an ego trip thing when someone says they're skinwalker uh unclassified and then they're skinwalker classified like jim do tell what is the classified story of skinwalker you know what stories you have of people ripping their own limbs off or whatever crazy stuff has happened it's nothing we haven't heard before though that's the thing jim could tell me every classified bit of information that he has on skinwalker and none of it's going to be like wow wait a second i think that changed my whole perspective on this maybe they are demons after all that'll just reinforce it guaranteed 100 i think i think it's interesting though i think he's he's gonna say oftentimes what people say they go to the the skinwalker ranch nothing happened and then they come back and say hey so things are happening around my house because they have that hitchhiker effect that's the the classic thing they say about skinwalker ranch but when when you um dive into it i think is what he's saying the gossip that has been heard is the psychological effect that it has on you after a while there there's a a guy we're going to talk about a little later on i'm not sure we talked about a little bit in the discord about this guy that um he was a former nasa uh uh engineer i think engineer i forget the exact but he was he was up there in nasa and he decided to quit after he a divorce went and worked for his brother uh who sold um sold uh water purification went to this lady's house specifically at five o'clock and she was doing an exorcism and he didn't know it and she told this thing apparently this is i mean this this is all verifiable this isn't like a hearsay story this is this is a this is he actually got some of the stuff on film that he's talking about in this story and you can look up his name as part of the the system and he says that something happened he went home and and things would fly off the shelf and and he asked his brother to go into the closet and things would fly at him and hit him in the face and he said it it it would wake me up by crawling across my legs at night and and i wake up a bit scratches across my chest and he said it made me literally go insane i'd have to go to the doctor because i thought i was losing my mind and this is an engineer this is someone that's that's purely logical that hasn't had any form of hey you know let's let's dive into the deep weird stuff this is someone that's that wants to to steer clear of all that and he's saying i'm losing my mind i think that's what he's saying here he's saying this is this has caused people to to even uh think that they they are no longer a part of this world that maybe they should do something about it and he's saying i'm losing my mind i think that's what he's saying here he's saying i'm losing my mind i think that's what he's saying here he's saying this is something bad to themselves and so i think we're going to find that out here pretty soon unless you have comments i think we're going to jump into the next one yeah no let's jump into the to the next clip boom my point in all this is though um you know it's as a cia officer you know when i would do an operation and the operation involved um dangerous activity um and i consider contact dangerous activity because you because you you know and you don't know what you're walking into you just don't you have no idea what this is uh and yeah and though you know to me it's always
1:24:54 like the 80 factor if i can say to my boss i have an 80 chance of success that i am going to you know accomplish my mission and come back you know without anybody getting killed or hurt or anything like that and nobody nobody knowing we did what we did i'm willing to give that a shot yeah uh but but i think in this particular case you know in these cases um you know it could be 50 50 sometimes it's 60 40 i i don't know but but i just said i always say proceed with caution and and and let me tell you something else i mean you know i i i some of the serious researchers that i've spoken to on at a very classified level um uh are very wary of contact um um and uh and like i said you hear some horror stories and um um so for amateurs that are out there that are again not tethered to the ground very well and are trying to do this on their own i um i always say you know just proceed with caution and you know tethered to the ground is that the is that the clip you were thinking of maybe it goes on a little bit a little more because like yeah he's like again oh i mean if you're an amateur in this you know oh if you're not that experienced be careful tread with caution tread with caution he does he he makes it attractive he's these these dangling keys in front of their faces you know like hey like this this car goes really fast this car is a dangerous car geez i you know i've driven the car i know how dangerous it is it could be fun he says that he even said that in one of the clips it can be fun you know driving down you hit the gas you're just going flying but proceed with caution just please don't don't do it my advice just don't get in the car but here's the keys right here what do you say ridiculous what i had uh what i thought of was he's describing a lot of the stuff he's describing if you get involved in this you don't know what you're what you're making contact with you're not in control and i have the thought that this is like he's talking about if you are in like a lucid sober mind like this is the experience you're gonna have that you you are not in control of this you don't know what you're gonna get now now take that and imagine if you do something like dmt or acid or psychedelic drugs which are known to that's a whole nother trail to get down of like people the machine elves are a common experience which are demons um and you know so if you if you take down the barriers it's bad enough to get involved in this stuff you know when you're fully awake and walking into it but then now you take down the barrier of consciousness and you're free you know lowering your inhibitions and your free will that's a whole nother you know bag of worms that is actively being promoted um you know it was in the 70s and you know with the whole hippie culture and doing all these psychedelic drugs is still being promoted today with a new age and he's mentioned trances before when you there's multiple ways to induce a trance you can do it through drugs you can do it through meditation you know Eastern meditation these pagan you know occult rituals to to basically open your mind wider um and make it easier for these entities to do whatever they want with you right 100 and I think we're going to find out more about what he means by that in this next clip that was just a a small portion of what he was talking about um check this out there's this wonderful book that was written called hostage to the devil and it was written by Malachi father Malachi Martin you may may or not heard of him he passed away a long time ago but he was a he was a Jesuit a couple PhDs you know and rumor had it that he was in charge of the Vatican's Intel service and what they would call their Intel service but he had um uh the Pope allowed him to um um uh you know they take vows of chastity poverty and obedience and the Pope allowed him to sort of let's resign uh but he had to keep chastity and uh poverty uh he had to keep those two vows but he was able to disavow you know obedience but he wrote an obedience but he wrote a book called hostage to the devil there is a very very Jesuits extremely bright people so yeah and but that book scared the living hell out of me I mean I could read a chapter at a time and I would go back to it once a month it was so scary um but he talked about possession and he talked about the concept and the idea of possession and everything
1:29:44 from you know uh you know sort of minor things of possession to um um what they call perfect possession or full possession and what that actually entails and you know even though it was he talked about it in the guise of religious dogma what he was really talking about was entities that are invited in and once they're invited in you know sometimes it takes a hell of a lot to get rid of them and sometimes if you accept what they offer you you're not going to get rid of it they actually take over so you know do I believe that yeah to a certain extent but if I believe it enough not to try it let's put it that way okay okay that was I was loaded Brad I think you set a feast before us with that clip there's a there's so much to dig into man you know it's funny you keep hearing them refer to them as entities if they would just sub out the word entity with demon we'd get along so well Jim you're like you're right there just call it what it is it's it's ridiculous it's like you're you know oh it sounds like it it looks like it it feels like it I'm gonna call it something else no call it a demon it's just his last sentence his last sentence I think was the most powerful where he's talking once they're invited in it takes a hell of a lot to get rid of them and sometimes if you accept what they offer then you're not gonna get rid of them they actually take over and that is like uh huh against a senses where like they actually take over and that is like uh we're gonna be closing it up Uh, you know, anybody watching this, you know, if you're not involved in this stuff, please don't, because this is incredibly dated and it doesn't seem like it, you know, there's plenty of people with experience that exceeds Jim's experience that have delved into this stuff and they will, they, they have shared their experiences. It's the exact same thing.
1:31:37 Don't do it. No, don't do it. Yeah. And that's not, he's not being Jim there. He's being genuine. He's saying, really don't do it, folks. It's that, it's that classic saying, you know, deal with the devil. I mean, that's what it is. You accept what they offer. I mean, you're saying, because when I accept Jesus into my life, I'm accepting all of his promises. I'm accepting eternal life. I'm accepting that he died on the cross for my sins and that those sins are forgiven. If a demon comes up to me and has something to offer and I say, yes, well then really you are signing yourself onto them. They become your master at that point. You're in service to them because you're expecting something out of them. And it's not given out of love. I mean, if you just compare and contrast that Jesus gave his life, you know, man has no greater love than this, than to lay down his life for his friends.
1:32:32 And that's what Jesus said for us. These demons, they're not going to sell. Go ahead. Oh no, you finished. I was just going to say that these demons will never self-sacrifice. No. They are only out to self-preserve and they have nothing to offer. Every, every offer they have to give is empty and it's totally flammable. Everything that they, they give you. So go with Jesus every single time. Absolutely. Yeah. And Jesus' example too, if we follow Jesus' example, he, it's not that he didn't accept Satan's offer when Satan tempted him. He, he didn't even consider it. Like it wasn't like Satan offered him all the kingdoms and Jesus was like, well, you know, you know, no, he was just immediately. You know, get away from, this is what scripture says. I want nothing to do with you. And so that's, if you have that attitude, that's, that's the correct attitude to have.
1:33:23 There's a reason that he left his life as an example. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Absolutely. That's what the scriptures say. Yeah, absolutely. Um, one of the, before we move on, he mentioned Jesuit right there, father, I'm going to put air quotes there cause we don't want to actually say father Malachi Martin. Yeah. You have one father, one spiritual father, just so you know, you can have a biological father. That's fine. But your spiritual father, that's totally different. The Jesuits are the military arm of the Catholic church. You'll notice how he said the Pope allowed him to, to break away from the church. Oh, he had to keep chastity. He had to keep poverty, but he allowed him to break the vow of disobedience. But at the same time, it's like the Pope is the one sending him out of the, supposedly they're breaking ties, but he's the one who's like, I'm sending you out into the world.
1:34:20 You're no longer obedient to me, but I'm going to put you out there. No, they have total obedience. They take vows that they will be, uh, like a corpse. I believe it's the Latin term is para a cadaver and they, that's how they are to be. Um, luckily our God doesn't want us to be like a corpse. He wants us to be alive and living and following him. The Pope doesn't want that from his, uh, army. Yeah. He wants them to be just strictly obedient. You know, if they hear, if they hear the drum beat and the drum means you march, then you march. You don't second guess it. You just go one foot in front of the other. So Malachi Martin, he was in service to the Pope, all Jesuits. I mean, I, I had a very hard time trusting any Jesuit unless they totally like came out.
1:35:09 They would be dead. I honestly believe they would be killed, uh, within a week of actually coming out and renouncing their vows. Um, but Malachi Martin is very interesting because he wrote other books as well. Like keys of this blood, which is like a papal approved book. He's, he, he writes a lot about, about the Catholic church and its function. So whenever he's writing about Satan and the demons and the possession and the half possession and the full possession, it's kind of weird. I mean, some of it I feel like is true because they have this, this encounter and that's how Satan wants to draw you in. Um, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, he'll put a bit of the truth out there, but it's spiked with the poison to kill you. Um, and it's just, it's disheartening to hear Jim refer to Jesuits as very intelligent people because I think they're very deceptive people. So I would categorize them. Uh, yeah, but yeah, just another weird thing just to throw it out there just to, just to bring up, uh, the Catholic church again, they do it over and over and you'll see it.
1:36:10 And I think we should, I mean, we should probably make clear that we're not, you know, against the Catholic church. Catholics and the people who, there's a lot of great people in all kinds of denominations. You know, I was, you grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. There's a lot of great people who are just in organizations that are deceiving them. And like you, you're so fond of, you know, the scripture, Matthew, deceiving and being deceived. So, you know, even the people who think that they're perpetrating the deception are themselves being deceived. So, you know, if you're watching this and you happen to be a Catholic, please don't, you know, take offense. We're not, you know, aiming at you. If you happen to be a Jesuit, yeah, it's okay. Still, we will all meant to come to an end. We love, yeah, we love you. And we want you to just come to an accurate knowledge of Christ, the knowledge of Christ that he meant for us to have that is separate from deceptions and hierarchies and manipulation.
1:37:01 So, right. Yeah, I don't mean to be so harsh against it. It's just, it is the order. It's the order of the Jesuits that I'm against because the vows that they take, they're despicable. You can look into them for yourself. I don't have to explain them here, but the system, we're not fans of the system because the system is anti-God. It's anti-Christ. The people who are in the system, the individual cogs come out of her, my people. That's the cry. You can do it. You guys are taking all my lines. This is great. I haven't done anything in the show. No, Brad, you're doing a great job. This is interesting. This next part is what I think is the crux of everything. And I think that a lot of people. We're going to get a lot out of this because this is what he's really trying to say here. These things get to a point where they do some serious damage and this is what they do.
1:37:53 Check this out. You had alluded to an experience or study that you may have been a part of. Is there anything you can say about that? The people that are involved are initially it was former CIA, DIA, JSOC. And I think some FBI officers, usually at a senior level, who ran into this or had experiences like this. And then so they're studying the commonalities of different commonalities. The problem with it is it sounds fascinating, but it's also sort of sad. We've lost some people. And this is why I offer caution. Many through suicide. The the the whole concept of contagion.
1:38:52 I know that Skinwalker, I mean, Colin Kelleher talked about and talks about it. The tiger and nap. George Knapp, this wonderful guy. Talk about it. You know, it sounds interesting, but it's not. I mean, it's frightening to a lot of people. And once again, you know, if you're walking into an area like Skinwalker where clearly the elements that are there, whether you want to call them elementals or what have you. These aren't naturally friendly types, you know, where you have your typical poltergeist, you know, or ghost or something like that, maybe throwing stuff around or maybe moving things around. Ha ha ha. Funny. But there is there is an aspect to it that I've seen that is not funny. And it is, you know, very, very matter of fact. I mean, we were asked why my wife. And I seem to be the healthiest people in the group, even though my wife has suffered some medical medical issues. Psychologically, we seem to be OK. But, you know, it's.
1:39:57 It's, you know, and I hate to sound like a, you know, you know, like, you know, I'm overly pessimistic or something. I'm not. But, you know, I'm almost 70 years old, 70 in a couple of weeks. I mean. And it's like what I've seen. I just tell people just be very, very careful and, you know, proceed with caution. But so this is interesting to me because he's not revealing everything he knows, but you could tell just by his cadence, just by his understanding and just by the few words that he said right here, this is a big deal. This is a big, big deal. Like, let me rephrase what he just said. Right. Real quick. High level employees in the. Government doing study on this demonic activity, trying to understand it with taxpayer money, not trying to get political here, but let's just call the shots as it as it is, they have a lost people in the whole sense of the term lost, lost government employees due to this to suicide because of this, what they call contagion, this it's hitchhiker effect.
1:41:09 And this is what the hitchhiker effect that I was talking about when I was talking about it. Skinwalker Ranch, you go here, you think nothing's a big deal and this thing comes back. Unfortunately, and this is what I believe, it might not be true. Let me just put it at that. This is what's coming back, folks, because when this new age appears, things start appearing. This strange becomes normal, if you will. This is will this is what will absolutely become a big effect on people because I'm sorry. I'm let me throw the name out there a little bit, but that's that's how the channel is about. It's about the strange normal phenomenon that is to come. It is about that. In other words, the new age that is to appear into this world and this new strange normal will be this contagion. This this things appearing as there.
1:42:05 I see fake dead relatives and people are just like having to quote Bible verses to get rid of these things out of the way. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to have their house this will absolutely drive people mad. It will have people's hearts failing out of fear of what's coming upon the world. And this is this is what this is the the strange normal that's going to start happening. And so I think what he's saying right here is be very, very careful because this is a this is not something you want to be around. Well, Brad, can I ask you when you hear people committing suicide? Put yourself in a biblical mindset, what do you think of when I say suicide? Oh, I don't know what you're asking.
1:42:53 Who do you think of? Maybe I'm talking about. OK, so OK, well, Judas. Wonderful, Judas, so he's probably the most high profile person who committed suicide in the Bible that happened after Satan entered into him. If we read it, John, you'll see that. The spirit of Satan actually entered into Judas before he went to go and betray Jesus. And that's because he couldn't entrust that task to anyone else had to be him. He had to go in. He had to make sure it was done right. So contact that type of intimate contact with a demonic entity will make you want to take your own life. It'll leave you empty. There's another example that I can give that would be King Saul. Now, King Saul. King Saul, who preceded David, he went to the witch of Endor and he wanted to talk with a dead prophet.
1:43:50 He wanted to talk with Samuel, so he asked for Samuel to come. Now he saw a spirit that he perceived to be Samuel, but that was not Samuel. That was a demon. If you read in Chronicles, it will go further to explain that he transgressed against the Lord in that moment because he sought the counsel of someone who had a familiar spirit. And a familiar spirit is a demonic spirit. King Saul ended up falling on his sword. He killed himself because he was so afraid of the consequences of being captured by the Philistines. So when I hear these people are killing themselves after having, once again, contact with alien entities, it just screams demon. Everything about it screams demonic encounter. And it's really bizarre. I. I. I don't know how some of these people like Jim know people who have died, who have killed themselves because demons have driven them crazy. And he's not just shouting from the rooftops like, repent, stay away from this, like really genuinely saying stay away from it, like totally just disassociating from the UAP movement and coming into this type of a movement where we're trying to bring the truth, the reality of the situation.
1:45:09 It's a sad, sad story. And I think it's important to mention that these are not just like lab geeks or something like that who are studying this stuff and they just can't handle it. He mentioned JSOC at the beginning of that clip. That's Joint Special Operations Command. That's like special forces from in it. You know, you think of Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, that's the command that encompasses special operations for the military. And those people are involved in this. And, you know, we've had there's other, you know, testimonies out there of pilots. You know, that's a big. That's a big thing now with the Navy, with the Tic Tac and stuff like that. So as you go up and to these higher specializations in the military, you become more and more trained to deal with stress, to deal with, you know, things that happen that a normal person might not be able to deal with. And they have difficulty with it. I don't know how many of those particular people he's talking about have committed suicide, if any.
1:46:03 But, I mean, these are people from all across the intelligence community, the defense community, the government. They have serious problems once they get involved or even just start to study this stuff. So, again, the message. And I don't care if I sound like a broken record, but stay away from this stuff if you're not involved with it. 100%. 100%. I have one more clip. Well, not one more clip. We actually have a few more clips we're going to go over, but one more from this guy. And I think but I think this is a good time to recommend to people that since this is such a serious, serious issue, take a moment. And if you feel that this is an important issue, help support us. We were trying to get this message out. So go to patreon.com slash strange normal and become a patron. And you can also sign up and become a part of our discord group through Patreon.
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1:47:50 Yeah, the Nordic. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's great. That one is so good. Honestly, I feel like you could wear that around anywhere. And even like secular people just look at it and laugh and be like, that is like funny. Like, yeah, don't talk to strangers. Don't talk to aliens. And then we've got 12 different designs in there right now. And there's more coming. I got more in the works. But this is this this one says, I wish I had a better light on this, but it says, thank you for your meditations. It's helping us finish the work and they're destroying the city behind them. And so I mean, just we got some stuff that just number one, it's it's conversation starters that that help you say, you know what? This is this is an important issue. You guys need to think about that. We don't need to get into spiritualism. We don't need to talk to these things because that's that's how this whole thing started. God said, don't go to the. The tree and talk to the the demon, basically. And he went to the tree and talked to the demon.
1:48:46 We're coming upon the same problem. We're going to and looking at these UAPs and we're going to start talking to them here pretty soon. People are going to start worshipping these things pretty soon. We're going to have a strange episode that's happening right now, right before your eyes. Prophecies fulfilling. Use your shirt. I mean, wear your witness. Go to strange normal dot com slash store. That's where you find this place. Do you only have shirts available? And we have stickers. We have mugs. We have all kinds of other stuff. You got to go check it out. And it's growing on a weekly basis. So lots of stuff. Thank you for that. That's that's good. That's good. If you guys have no more comments, let's go to the next clip. It's a it's a really good one. And it kind of rounds off what Jim Simivan, a government official, is actually saying about this stuff. And it's it's very good.
1:49:37 You ready? Let's hear it. My point in all of this is, is I know specifically, factually, people who have been cursed capital C by this. Yeah. And we have no idea how. So I'm saying so people proceed with caution. You know, and again, I'm not you know, I remember Stephen Greer, you know, talked about, you know, TTS, you know, TTSA as being this, you know, we're poo pooing, you know, you know, saying the aliens are bad. No, no, we're not. Absolutely not. I mean, we're basically saying the military needs to be involved because until we know exactly what it is, it's you know, that's their job. Right. Protect the United States. So it's a national security concern. And does everybody in TTS, you know, believe that the entities are bad?
1:50:27 Absolutely not. I mean, we think that that probably I mean, you know, if they've been around since prehistory. Right. And, you know, they would have wiped us out by then if they were that bad. So it's not an existential issue. Right. But nevertheless. I mean, you know, we may not be equipped psychologically and mentally to deal with that kind of power that comes into you when when you have that. It's a good place to stop right there. And I just want to correct myself. I think I said strange normal dot com slash store at strange normal dot org slash store. And now I continue with our daily program already in progress. What do you think about that last clip? That was kind of a summary of what he was trying to say throughout the whole program. Well, there's that old line. It kind of demonstrates the cognitive dissonance. Well, yeah, like, you know, it's it's people have been cursed with a capital C, but just be careful.
1:51:27 You know what I mean? Like at that point, it's like, well, how about you just say, don't get away, you know, get away from this. Yeah. You know, it's got a minefield in front of you. You don't say, you know, oh, yeah, people have been blown up after stepping on a land. And mine. But just be careful, you know, proceed with no, I'm walking the other direction. So that's why I just you know, it'd be interesting to have him on the show because he seems like I mean, his experiences seems genuine. It is, you know, his life experience, his experience with these entities. And I would just be interested to hear how, you know, in his mind, how he's connecting these two seemingly opposing views of the one that says, hey, this is a really horrific experience. But the other one is it's OK to to engage with it. I mean, it'd be it'd be great if you could get him on the show if if you're watching, Jim. I would love to have him on the show. Absolutely. And I'm hoping that he's he's be obliged to even think about this concept for a second and think maybe let's let's even if he's not religious, let's humor this idea just for a moment and just look into the idea that maybe the concept of not touching these things because of what the Bible says might be might be correct.
1:52:37 Even if he doesn't believe everything that's in the Bible, you don't have to. Not every Christian does. But it's good to read it and it's good to understand. So keep an open mind. Yeah, I mean, look at this video, we've laid out all of this criteria, we're saying it the whole time, we're like, oh, yeah, sounds like a demon, sounds like a demon, sounds like a demon. We're not just saying it because we're some, you know, Christians who are like, oh, you know, Satan lurks around every corner. Ironically, he pretty much does look around every corner, but we won't go there right now. But yeah. It's demonic because we have the word of God. Otherwise, I would have no concept of it either. And I would probably be in the same boat of like romanticizing them and wondering about them and letting them consume my thoughts. But because I have the word of God and I have a good understanding of what these entities are, I want nothing to do with them.
1:53:29 And I have I have a relationship with the most high. That's so much more fulfilling. I think it's funny at the end where, yeah, he did say the line they would have destroyed us. They've been here since prehistory. And if they were a threat, we would be all dead by now. It's like, oh, you're going on an assumption. Yeah, you're going on this assumption that the worst thing that they could do to you is destroy you. Right. The worst thing that they can do to you is enslave you. Yeah. And that's that's what sin is. Sin is shackles and they want to put as many of them on you as possible. So, yeah, something to consider is that. Destruction isn't always like the worst thing they could do to you. Many things worse than that's the comment.
1:54:18 Who who was it that made it, you know, saying they don't want to you know, they don't want to kill you. They want you to get they want to get you to kill yourself separated from Christ. You know, only we can separate ourselves from Christ. They can't if we don't if we stick close to him, he he sticks by us. So that's their goal is to, you know, because and then once they drive that wedge in between, us in Christ, then they start to, you know, turn the screws and, you know, people go insane, they kill themselves. And if you do that in that state and you're not reconciled to Jesus, that's a bad place to be. Right, right. Well, it's interesting because I think that suicide becomes the push when you no longer have anything to offer. So if you start wanting to back out, if you maybe don't serve their purposes anymore, it's like, all right, cut off the loose end.
1:55:06 Meanwhile, the Bible says that all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. We are we don't have anything to offer God, yet he wants desperately to be in a relationship with us. It's amazing that if you start looking into the dark, just always, always turn and look at the light. Yes, honestly, earlier this week, I was listening to a really off the wall interview and a lot was said about how things are going to progress in the near future and how things will advance for mankind. Talking about how there would be like. The age of Aquarius for anyone who's familiar with the new age deception, but they were talking about how, oh, yeah, we're all going to be unified and be as one. And after I was done with this interview, I just turned around and I was like, you know what, I've heard the devil's argument. Let me listen to the true story. And I put on Revelation and it was just such a joy.
1:55:57 It really was, because once you have the frame of reference where you know what is actually going on and you know God, it's not scary at all. You're not going to feel intimidated by anything. Anything that they say, because it's that perfect love that drives out the fear. So, you know, anyone who is maybe new to this type of stuff or if you do look at a lot of the deceptive nature of these things, just always dip back into the word of God. Always say a prayer. It's it's never feel weak if you need to pause a video and reach out in prayer and just say, God, strengthen me in this moment. Or if you need to turn it off and walk away from it. I mean, this is not fun. Listening to the. Doctrines of demons. We do this because we want to have an understanding of what they're saying so we can come in with the answer and say, no, we know this argument. We're not going to be caught off guard by it because we have the counter argument.
1:56:53 We have the word of God. This is what we're going to stand on. And then people can actually make a choice. It's not just these ufologists and these new agers coming forth and being like, look at all this great stuff. And the Christians and everyone, I don't know what to make of this. I. Yeah. Well, because then you look like we get like, OK, they don't know what they're talking about. I'm going to go with the guys who seem to know what they're talking about. And you know, we need to be able to. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because they seem to be getting results. No, no. We need to be there with the message confidently saying denouncing this and, you know, calling people to repentance. I mean, the new earth is going to be really fun. It's going to be awesome. And I want to see as many people there as possible. Yeah. So just keep and also don't take our word for it. I mean, go right to the source. You look in the Bible has plenty of the Bible tells us everything we need to know for to get on the right side for salvation.
1:57:52 And so if you want to know about demons, look at it. You know, plenty of descriptions of demonic attacks, demonic possessions, and then compare them with what anything in the world. You know, if it's an entity, interdimensional entity, some type of, you know, sleep paralysis, something calling itself an alien. Go to the source and, you know, God's not going to lead you wrong. Mm hmm. Absolutely. I'm just looking at the chat here, making sure that everything is good. Always appreciate Deb in the chat. Thank you so much for being there. I'm going to go ahead and close the I have the video running on my phone right now because I need to connect to the Bluetooth because this is what we do at the end of the program. We got one more clip that we want to show. We also are going to take calls if anybody wants to call and ask questions, if anybody has any comments, prayer requests. We're going to be taking that as well. And so I'm going to turn down the Bluetooth so that doesn't ring in your ear.
1:58:46 But we're going to be allowing the calls to come through and I'm going to turn off my do not disturb. If you do try to call in the numbers at the bottom of the screen, it's rotating on the five different banners that we have going across the screen. Go ahead and call us and we'll take your call. We got one more clip coming up. And that is. Interesting clip because it's not no longer Jim Semivan, but it's it's about this guy, this this guy that used to be in. He's a well-known actor. And since we are talking about the cult, I thought it would be interesting to see what amazing things he said recently about about the occult. While he's an actor in Hollywood, you might recognize him from the Lord of the Rings.
1:59:32 His name is Christopher Lee. Is that his name? Christopher. Christopher Lee. Yes. Brad, his name is Christopher Christopher Lee, sir, sir. He's been knighted. Yeah. This is not all that recent either, though. I will say the clip that you're about. Actually, he died in 2015. He did. He died back in 2015. He's not speaking from the dead. And this quote that you're going to see this clip, it's from 11 years ago. But wow. OK, it's it's OK, Brad. Don't worry. That wasn't why we're here. It's recent in God's eyes. We're going to. There we go. There you go. That's great. OK, here we go. This is interesting. In case you guys don't know who he is, I'm going to go and play a short, short clip from the Lord of the Rings.
2:00:20 And this is probably going to demonetize my complete episode, but I'll just delete it. But I thought it'd be important so people know who this guy is because he's going to say some pretty remarkable things. And this is this is no small character. Check this out. A new power is rising. It's victory. It's victory. His victory is at hand. This night the land will be stained with the blood of Rohan. March to Hell's Deep. One alive. To war. No door for men. All right. Watch this. It's well known that you have a huge interest in the occult and one of the largest collections of books.
2:01:17 I don't have a huge collection. You have a huge collection. You have a huge collection. You have a huge collection. You have a huge collection. Somebody wrote, I had 20,000 books. I'd have to live in a bath. I have maybe four or five. I have The Devil Rides Out, first edition, signed to me by Dennis Wheatley. There's a book just come out about him called The Devil is a Gentleman. And I have met people who claimed to be Satanists, who claimed to be involved with black magic, who claimed that they not only knew a lot about it, but as I said, I've certainly been involved and I warn all of you, never, never, never. Never. You will. You will not only lose your mind, you'll lose your soul. I don't have a big library in the account, no. Look, the internet and the media, if they can't think of something to do, they invent it.
2:02:52 If they can't think of something to say, I mean, they invent it. I don't know who thought that one up. Looks good in print, I suppose, but it's not true. There you go. Another stern warning from Sir Christopher Lee. Mentions that he owns occult books and knows people who claim, claim to be dark wizards and Satanists. Yeah, and then he says, don't, don't, don't do it. And then he turns around and he's like, yes, yes, but I have a small collection of occult books. It's something I dabble with. The internet says, come on. Ridiculous, man. That's something. As Joe Jordan kind of says, how many experiences is it going to take of me recounting for you to believe? How many people have to say, don't get involved with this?
2:03:47 Especially people who are involved with it say, hey, don't do it. 100%. 100%. I think we hit the nail on the head tonight, and I think that was an amazing, amazing, some clips that Jim Simivan kind of just dove in and told us exactly what's going on. And we're going to dive deeper into this Bledsoe guy. And I think that's going to reveal a lot, too, because we can kind of parse out through the lens of the Bible exactly what's going on here. Because Jesus, God, reveals everything that is needed for our life today. And so hopefully we can show, spread light in that darkness. I appreciate you guys being on the show tonight. And unless you have any other comments, let's have a little prayer. Yeah, let's pray. Yeah.
2:04:42 Father God, thank you so much for giving us time to go over this stuff, for giving us wisdom, for giving us knowledge to show people that are deep inside this and that this is the dangerous area, not only now, but in the future when it becomes much more prevalent. We know that time is coming and that time is short. And so we have to work while the sun is up because the night is coming. But we cannot work. So give us wisdom. Give us power. Help this channel to grow and help us to do your will here. We love you, God. We look forward to the day where we're with you and we are working directly with you in heaven. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Thank you so much for joining me. Have a blessed night. Thanks for watching this segment.
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