0:05 We've only seen the public version so far, but here's what we can tell you government investigators seem sincerely baffled by what these things are today's report analyzed 144 separate sightings of UFOs by the US military, but in only a single case could the government explain what it was So this is a Pentagon. This is a DOA Department of Defense official Saying stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic Correct. This is a person. I respected tremendously very very senior person He's told me said Lou. I want you to stop stop doing this. I Said okay, sir. I certainly can but may ask why he says well, we already know what it is and I said, okay, sir So so it's ours and he said no That's not what I'm saying. He asked me point-blank. Have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. I said, well, sorry, I Think I know what it is It says what where you're going with this and he said well Then you would know that these things are are demonic and we should not be pursuing them And what I've been trying to do is to use the special privilege that I've been given of getting access to a Harvard education and the law school education and with the Jesuits and all the different people in meeting You know Baba Muktananda and getting to meet all the spiritual leaders of our people on our planet is to try to develop a really intelligent educated spiritually informed but rationally developed a set of policies for our dealing with extraterrestrial civilizations Both of us with at separately without communicating we're studying this and going wow There is something going on here, right? This is out. It's in Congress and they're discussing this right now. This isn't conspiracy. Sure. Sure Yeah, absolutely going on here. Absolutely the very eye-opening a pillar of fire at night and confuse Russian troops It has some asking are you? Ukrainians receiving heavenly help there's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship Like there was like an attack from the spaceship There was some kind of a lightnings was starting shooting from the sky and Alex Sparks were going well like spreading everywhere and then they on the morning they discovered that the whole the whole machinery was destroyed Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits they go and they perform signs and wonders and Jesus warns and the Gospel of Luke and it's repeated in the book of Acts chapter new chapter 2 that there will be signs in the heavens and A lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days The Bible says that in prophecy So we need to know what the truth is what to believe and what not to believe because I think that Evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days If you're an alien and you want to get baptized The pope is in favor of it. Hope Branson Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized.
3:55 And apparently, that invite extends even to Martians. We're now less than 16 minutes away. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first, the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, when I met him in 74, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had killer satellites. We were told that they were coming to get us and control us, the dirty commies, that whole story. First, the Russians were the enemy against whom we're going to build space-based weapons. Then, terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then, we were going to identify third-world country crazies. We now call them nations of concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would be needing to build space-based weapons. And the next enemy was asteroids.
4:50 Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids. Against asteroids, we're going to build space-based weapons. So, it was funny then. And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final card. And over and over and over, during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card and remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is a lie. 14 minutes, 30 seconds and counting. You know, there were no questions that prepared me for what I was about to get into.
5:44 You know, people often say, oh, it must have been fun. It must have been exciting. No, it was pretty sobering. You know, I liken this conversation to like having a conversation with a loved one about maybe cancer. Now, the good news is the diagnosis looks fine. You're going to recover. But it's a serious conversation. This is something. We are challenging people to reevaluate their philosophical, psychological, sociological and theological belief system. Anytime you ask humanity to do something like that, it usually takes generations. You can't just pivot because, you know, for example, let's just take culture, for example, of a country. It's like an aircraft carrier. How long does it take to turn an aircraft carrier? Well, it takes quite a bit of time and a lot of effort and whatnot. Well, this. This topic is the same way, because we're challenging people to reconsider, if you will, reevaluate their understanding of what they've been told about the universe and more importantly, our place in it.
6:47 These so-called alien beings are actually manifesting at times as dead relatives during the abduction experience to challenge a person's belief system as Christian theology in the idea that dead relatives can be talked to or even spoken to. Or even spoken to. Or that they're even around to be able to hear what we have to say. No evolutionary or religious belief system shows that this will end well by contacting these things. Evolution says that these things are likely to be superior and so survival of the fittest will destroy us. Religion says that these things are deceptive and dangerous and the evidence if you want to include all the theory and all the stories that of these sincere people.
7:42 It says. They've damaged crops. They have mutilated cattle. They've abducted people beyond their will. They've messed with our highest security protocols. They enabled and disabled dangerous warheads, forced pregnancies, forced surgeries, burned victims, killed pilots, and lied to people. And most experiencers have experienced at least one terrifying alien experience. So to say that these things, they haven't destroyed us yet, so they must be good, is to deny the fact that there might be a universal court saying these earthlings are protected here on earth. And that's what Christianity believes. The Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs.
8:32 And among other things, the document tells us that the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns, paralysis, and brain damage. The report also says that some people who saw UFOs experienced, quote, perceived time suspension. They also saw ghosts and other spirits. In all, that report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files and another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases, whatever that means. We've passed the 11-minute mark. Now T minus 10 minutes, 54 seconds on our countdown. But what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief. There is a professor for the Pope's University in Rome, and he is a very highly respected professor.
9:27 He's a very highly respected professor. He's a very highly respected professor. He's a very highly respected intellectual. His last name is Tensniti. And he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon, not right in the beginning, we won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning, but there is information coming from another world. And once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia. Mark, T minus 10 minutes and counting. T minus 10. Hear what I'm saying about the nuclear weapons. The UFOs were turning our weapons on. And just so Russia could pick up that we're firing our missiles and fire theirs first.
10:23 It was a big chess game. So these guys went into complete secrecy to start coming up with a defense system against this phenomenon. There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. There are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet. And keep in mind, there are basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe.
11:32 I mean, you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there. But you've seen this. And you've seen the data. Well, no one knows. But I think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else. The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles. What, I guess, in the vernacular, you call them UFOs. We call them UAPs. You know how this sounds. It sounds nutty, wacky. Look, Bill, I'm not telling you that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you, it's real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities?
12:30 They told me that the reason why we're an experiment is because we, right now, are going to be able to do this. Our living, breathing, walking, talking, peace treaty. My name is Tom DeLonge. Most people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called Blink 182. I started a company called To The Stars that eventually became To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. We are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma. It's the first time that we had the videos properly declassified. And because of that, then we had information, as far as altitude and speed, eyes on target, different radar systems, different sensors that all corroborated what was happening.
13:30 People start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon. And when they follow what Seeker Machines is going to teach them, and mind you, as we'll talk about this in a little bit, it's not all coming from me. It's coming from other people of the highest places. The term, the occult, in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon. And that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats. There is a very, very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions and the UFO phenomenon. And what you have is something that doesn't like man, period. And something that feels either jealous of or... has some kind of plan for what man is to be.
14:27 Over the next 10 years, I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. This is documented evidence. But what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief very soon, not right in the beginning. We won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning. But there is information coming from another world, and once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia.
15:31 We're now passing the 4 minute, 30 second mark in the countdown. Still go at this time. And the priest told us... Could I have a little bit more of your time? I want to tell you something very fascinating. He says the grand plan, the Master's grand plan for harvesting the nations... for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil. So we continued after we expressed ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits. And he said it's going to be done in a unique manner. This grand plan, he says, is going to take people... is going to eat the stuff. Because he says spirits, demon spirits, will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet Earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it.
16:31 T minus 3 minutes and counting. T minus 3. We are go with all elements of the mission at this time. We've just passed the 2 minute mark. We've passed the 2 minute mark in the countdown. T minus 1 minute 54 seconds and counting. All indications coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are go. Guidance system goes on internal at 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds.
18:21 T minus 60 seconds and counting. We've passed T minus 60. Our mysteries to the universe we were never meant to solve. But who we are and why we are here are not among them. Ignition sequence 5.
19:54 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Brad Burnham. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on. And there's going to be a lot going on. So hit that subscribe button, hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen. Now tonight's episode is very interesting. We've got a lot going on tonight. And we just reached the tip of the iceberg. Because we got a lot packed into this entire week. But all that happened on our Discord server. And you can access that by going to patreon.com slash strange normal.
20:40 In that Patreon we talk about everything that we're going to talk about on the show and more. For the cost of a simple sit-down restaurant once a month you can be involved in this community in helping spread the word about this coming deception. If you don't know what that deception is watch StarFallMovie.com Go to StarFallMovie.com to see that documentary now. Welcome back. We have an amazing show tonight. But before we get into it, I'm going to introduce our guest tonight. Mr. Jordan. Thank you so much for coming in. How are you, Brad? Seems like just yesterday we were standing on the shore of a nice river here looking at a beautiful rocket launch together.
21:26 That's right. Yeah, I went down to Florida down where you live and saw your digs down there. We got to watch a rocket launch from Cape Canaveral. Man, that was so cool. Yeah, it was beautiful. Very good. We are not, I guess, going to be graced with Aaron tonight. Usually he's here, but I guess he's off for the season. I'm so glad to have Joe here to help me fill in the gaps as I read notes between what I'm saying because honestly, that's hard to do with just one person here. But Joe, I think we're going to do something different tonight. We got a main topic we're going to talk about, which is very interesting. But I think at the end, I have a new way to bring in the audience.
22:13 And that way we're going to bring them in is through the phones. I can present a Google Voice number and I can pipe in the audio and stuff through the system, and they can ask you questions. That sounds good. We're going to take a risk because I've never tried this before, but maybe at the end of the show we can do that as well as read some questions from the chat. Sure. So tonight we have a very interesting guest. Well, not a guest. Joe is our guest, but we got a guy we've had on the program before. He is a former... CIA Pentagon official, retired now. And he's saying a lot of stuff. That's very interesting.
22:59 But I want to... Let's just roll with what he says and see what we think about it because I think we have more of the truth than he does. Check this out. People like the extraterrestrial hypothesis. I'm not so strongly in favor of the extraterrestrial hypothesis. They came from 39 light years away. Which is where Zeta Reticuli is. And they're like zooming in and coming here immediately. I always favored the idea, the notion that they've been here longer than we have. And so we're the visitors and that they don't look like us. We look like them because they made us. They adapted us to live on this planet. So it gets very complicated. It melds a lot of various models.
23:49 So let me preface this. I wish I had an introduction for this guy. But I got so much to put in here and only have 10 clip spaces that I can put it in. But before I do that, I don't think everyone knows who you are, Joe. And so I want to introduce you better because I always forget to do introductions. Because I think I talk to you so much. I see you as a friend and as a co-host almost because we talk so much. And I really do appreciate everything you do. Everyone, this is Joe Jordan. He works down in Florida at Cape Canaveral. He also is a MUFON director. MUFON stands for the Mutual UFO Network. It's an amazing group of volunteers that do some tremendous work on trying to understand this whole thing. And most importantly, you alone have done this research where you have found...
24:39 In fact, I have included a couple clips in my introduction that talk about Joe and how he... Actually, it's him talking about his research and saying that, over 400... I mean, probably more now, I'm guessing. It's more than that now. Yeah. He has hard evidence that 400 or more of these deceptive alien abductions or paranormal activity can be stopped solely by calling out in Jesus' name. I think that's fascinating, Joe. Yeah, these testimonies, I think, are what you would call the most powerful evidence in the UFO community research. I think that's the most powerful evidence in the UFO community research realm that exposes what is actually behind this phenomenon and the forces behind this phenomenon.
25:32 I think once you look at the work that I've been able to put together and the findings that I have, you'll have a definite answer on your own, not just what we would tell you. But you take the evidence for what I'm able to show. You'll fully understand that this is not what they've been telling us all along. Absolutely. Yeah. And at the end of the program, you've written a few books. And I have 13 of those you gave to me in my car just before I left trucking back here to Tennessee. And I'm going to do another giveaway at the end of the night here. So everyone stay tuned because you're going to want one of his books. It's an amazing book. I've already had family members that have read it or most of it through. And they say that the evidence is clearer than I've ever seen.
26:18 So I want to jump into... To this guy. I think it's very interesting what he's saying because what he's going to reveal at the very end, I think is kind of strange. And you can probably kind of figure that out by what the title says. But this guy right here starts out and he starts to say, Hey, look, a lot of us believe that these things aren't from a long ways away, that they are here and they've been here for a long time. But then he goes as far as to say that perhaps they made us, and I thought that was a peculiar thing, because that's often what we hear from many different ufologists, specifically one that I'm familiar with, the Raelians. I've made a couple of videos about them. And so what do you think about that, Drew? Yeah, that's something we're hearing more and more now. And that pushes us right into the whole, you know, new age thinking that's been around for decades and decades. You know, the whole idea that they are our gods.
27:21 You know, and the whole thing comes down to, I think, is in the end we're going to be looking at who do we worship? Is it going to be the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Or is it going to be these so-called pseudo little G gods that they're pushing that said that they are, you know, the ones that created us? Which, you know, we know in fact that that's not true. Absolutely. Yeah, I just saw in the chat, and I hear it too, there's a little bit of static when you talk. We don't know why. I'm not exactly sure why. And I don't know if we can get rid of that. We might just have to live with it. But it's like you've got a rattlesnake in your voice. I don't know. But I think you're totally hearable. No, I still hear it a little bit, but it's not too noticeable. It's not irritating or anything.
28:14 It's just there. So that's okay. We have... So along those same lines where a little G god flows right into what he's about to say next. Check this out. For example, the extra-tempestual model by Dr. Michael Masters. He has a very interesting model. In fact, I highly recommend his book, if I can plug his book. I'm reading this book. And I find that to be very fascinating. And also like there's an interdimensional aspect to this. And there's also like an intra or ultra-terrestrial that they're here. They reside on the planet. They may have bases that we can't see on the moon, on Mars. They're like really close to us.
29:05 And they've always been here and interacted with humans. And humans early on thought them to be gods, messengers of the Lord, angels of God. You know, that's how mentally they were able to fathom what the phenomenon that they saw. Chariots, a fire in the sky, you know, things like that. Wheels within wheels landing as Ezekiel has written about in his book. You know, Ezekiel says in that book that it was a vision. I think that's interesting when you go through that. And I don't think it was necessarily the wheels within wheels I'm talking about. And they always quote that. They always go back to what's that book that doesn't exist. Well, it does exist, but it's not in the Bible, the book of Enoch.
29:54 Yes. You know, it's a matter of the perspective that they come at the Bible with. And, you know, we're asked to come with a clear mind, a clear perspective. Look at it as this is what God would say. But the UFO community comes to us. They come to it with a set of UFO glasses that they put on. And everything is looked at in Scripture through those UFO glasses. In other words, it must fit the idea of ufology in some sense. That's why they like to use the example of Ezekiel, thinking that it describes some kind of fantastic craft. Which, if you take those glasses off, like you said, it's basically, he states right in there in Ezekiel, that this was a vision he saw.
30:44 You know, this wasn't a flying saucer. This was a vision from God, you know, of God coming down and being in the presence. So it's just a matter of listening to what God says as God would say it. Not as how we want to perceive how God says. Right, right, right, right. I'm going to have you, Joe, and I'm going to delay here for just a second. This is a live program, everyone. We're all watching. We're all trying to get rid of some things. If you can close and come back into it, Joe, maybe we can get rid of that static. And I'll wait here for you and talk about the next clip that's upcoming while you're doing that. What I think is fascinating is that this guy, he gets so close to the truth.
31:31 I mean, he actually calls them and says, hey, you know what, they are angels in the past, but they're not. He doesn't get as far as to say that they're dead. They're demonic. And so I think that's really interesting because when you get as close as you can to the Bible without reading it, you might pick up pits and pieces here and there that you hear your Christian friends say. But if you don't know the whole picture, you don't know the controversy that's going on between good and evil right now, then you completely miss the mark. And you think all those people in the past, they're right about them being angels. Maybe they were even God. Maybe they were even Egyptian gods back then. And they deserve worship. Or you get some kind of twisted mentality on this thing. And that's where the danger comes in because you know just enough to get yourself in trouble, as the saying goes. I used to say that a lot about computer use. I know just enough to get myself in trouble.
32:30 I hear him running a podcast with a whole bunch of equipment. But it's really interesting because now he's going to go quickly into nuclear weapons. Now watch this. Check this out. So I think they've been interacting with us for a long time. It's just now they're very much heightened. There's very much heightened interaction because of the fact that in 1945, in July of 1945, we exploded a nuclear weapon. Right. And that got their attention that, you know, the kids have found the box of matches and they're lighting them. That's kind of what standing free is. That's what Stanton Freeman used to say. Is that right? Yeah. Is that right? I didn't realize that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Lou Elizondo sort of hinted kind of at what you're saying that what if he said, what if everything we think we know is wrong?
33:27 And what if there's been a presence here all along or something like that? See, he's getting so close to it again. And what I think is interesting is they brought up nuclear weapons. Again, again. We see this over and over and over again. And I think the reason why that's interesting is because they're playing up this idea. There has been documented evidence and it's come out in the mainstream media. It's come out on Pentagon notes, all this stuff where they have come out and said that these things have turned on our nukes. I mean, to the point where I think one person said this is unverified, where they had to drive the truck over the thing so it doesn't set it off. And they have turned off. And they have turned off nuclear weapons. And so that's interesting that these things we know as demonic are very curious and very focused on these nuclear weapons stuff.
34:19 And that's fascinating to me. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. But the fact that it keeps coming up and coming up and coming up, I put it in a box and I put it in the back of my brain. I go, well, let's re-look at that later because there's nothing we can prove by that. But we know that at the end of time, there's going to be quite – wars will be raging. It says that there will be rumors of wars and rumors of wars. And who knows? It's fascinating to see everything come together at the very end, especially with climate change. Joe is joining us back again. Welcome back. I hope it's working. Yeah, let's try this again and see how it sounds. Well, it's a little bit back there, but it's better, I think. So we'll just roll with it. I don't know why. It's weird. So we talked a little bit about how these guys are continuing to believe that there's going to be a climactic ending to this whole thing through possibly nuclear war.
35:16 That's what he said just a minute ago. But I didn't want to dwell too much on that because there's unverified evidence behind that. But it's more or less just a – just fear-mongering maybe. Or maybe there's something else to it. What do you think? I think it's more of a side note to get us distracted from that. I think it's more of a side note to get us distracted from the main mission of what's happening here. And I think that's the conditioning of our thinking, the change in our perspective of what reality is about. That's the purpose of this whole phenomenon, to take our eyes off the one true God. And I always believed that this is part of that grand illusion that was to come. And we know that it's going to be layered upon layer upon layer of confusion and deception.
36:05 That I think the whole idea with the nuclear stuff is just another part of the shell game to distract us. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm glad you're with us tonight, Joe, because we're going to talk about – this guy is going to bring up the Collins elite. And there's not much about them. But I think this is the topic that I have – I have – I want to research heavily. And we talked a little bit about when we were – I was with you in person. And he's going to mention this. I'd like to talk a little bit about it, see what he says. Think about the group, the Collins elite, and their opinions on aliens and UFOs. I'm not familiar with them. Are you? The Collins elite allegedly are folks in the Pentagon who would like to suppress the notion that – these visitors are all space brothers and sisters with our best interests at heart.
37:04 Oh. And so the way they do that is try to – try to cast them as satanic, as demons. Wait a second. Why would demons have our best interests at heart? I don't think he has all his facts straight on this. What do you think, Joe? No. I think he's got a misunderstanding of what the actual story was about. The original Collins elite was a group that had gotten an understanding of the research they were doing. That they felt that they had opened up to something that wasn't right. It seemed to be more of a demonic evil nature behind it as they were investigating this phenomenon. This was way back when we first heard about the Collins elite. We first heard about the Collins elite was in the mid-90s.
38:00 It was a group of government people that were in the know, in the research back then, that were looking into this. And when they came across what they felt was not right, this idea that it possibly could be a demonic nature behind it, they wanted to reach out and try to talk to somebody that possibly would listen to them in that aspect. And they reached out to a MUFON director at the time, a state director and also an Episcopalian preacher, Ray Beauches. And Ray Beauches was contacted secretly by the Collins elite, a few gentlemen that represented what they said was the Collins elite. And they shared their interests and their concerns with him. And kind of wanted to get his viewpoint. Viewpoint of what they thought, you know, what he thought this might be. And it's a fascinating story.
39:00 And Ray came out and shared, you know, the whole story that where he was part of this involvement with them at one of the MUFON symposiums years and years ago. So he's looking at something that's decades old. He talked about it right there in that piece of video like they were still active. But I haven't heard anything to the effect of this is something that. Is still an active group, at least going by that name. We do know that listening to Louie Elizondo, that he had come across superiors that were concerned about that viewpoint, but not from that same title, you know, of the Collins elite. But I do believe there are Christians that are in the government that are in the know and are suspecting that something isn't quite right. I love the flow of this program. It's going so well. In fact, we're going to talk about Lou. In this next clip about that experience that he had.
39:56 So that's that's really interesting. I believe it's this next clip. We'll see. They try to cater to those who through their own religious beliefs and their own religious belief systems will be more amenable to thinking that way. And so they want to scare people and thinking that they're here to invade us, to take take us over. And we need to. Defeat them in some way. And two, they're not all space brothers and sisters. That's the Collins elite. Now, some people think, well, that's just a conspiracy theory. No, there are people in the Pentagon who believe that. And so they do not want to entertain anything to do with looking at UAPs, even from a scientific kind of standpoint.
40:51 Because they do believe that there are there are demonic. It's just that they're just projecting their own belief systems. Not that I'm not castigating anyone's belief system, but they're they closely hold these belief systems. And what they're seeing, they believe, is fulfillment of biblical, at least from the Christian standpoint, prophecy. Wow. There's a lot to unpack there. I think that was interesting because he. He's alluding to or talking a little bit about Lou's experience. And I have that clip of Lou and talking about that experience. That's that's unloaded. It's not loaded in here. I think I can find it. But what do you think about? Do you have anything else to say about that, Joe? Well, I find that there's a lot of half truths that he's sharing there.
41:46 It's not all correct in what he's saying. I don't think he's up to everything. He needs to. He needs to understand about what is being said out there. As Christians, we don't believe that, you know, even if this was demonic, that we do believe it is. But even if for say that they came across and understood that it was, we don't see it as there. These entities are out there to to overtake us in any way. That's not what we're seeing. You know, we understand that this is part of a biblical prophecy. Yes. But in the nature that it is a delusion, you know, that's to change the way we think, to change the way we see and look at the one true God, but not as an invasion that they're out there to take us over.
42:36 You know, like I said, there's a there's a lot of misinformation I'm hearing coming from this guy. Yeah. Yeah. They're there to cause a lot of sin and destruction. They know that the war is over and they are defeated. Sure. And they're there to stop the evil, misery among God's people. This is the clip from Lou Elizondo. Check it out. So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official saying stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic. Correct. This is a person I respected tremendously. Very, very senior person. He's told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop. Stop doing this. I said, Okay, sir, I certainly can. But may I ask why? And he says, Well, we already know what it is. And I said, Okay, sir. So so it's ours.
43:24 And he said, No, that's not what I'm saying. He asked me point blank. Have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. I said, Well, sorry, I think I know what it says. What were you going with this? And he said, Well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. Fascinating. And so there are people still in the US Pentagon in our military that know these things are absolutely they bear the characteristics of demons. And why? Why wouldn't they? They're deceptive. They play with the pilots. I mean, we they have just the Nimitz encounter shows that they was revealed that they are entities because these glowing orbs or let's say Tic Tacs as they call them in the daytime. These things would. These things would appear.
44:18 They would mimic the the the the the plane and then they would take off and then they would meet the plane at a secret rendezvous point. So it was obviously that they were they were just playing around. I mean, that that alone can't set the set the stage that these things are demonic. But every time you see these glowing orbs and things like that, you have a paranormal connection to it. Fox News anchor. Tucker Carlson revealed that in one of his episodes. And so it's obvious if you could put these two things together and you know what's happened in the past, you know that these things have have caused all these this grief for people that are absolutely sure something happened to them. It's really it's really interesting that you've put those two things together. These things are not just playing around for fun. What do you think? No, they're not playing around for fun at all. You know, another thing we talked about this last time, too, is, you know, the government is trying to instill this idea of fear.
45:23 You know, you hear, you know, that guy, they're saying that, you know, the fear is coming from the Christians saying that, you know, these entities are here not with good intent and here to take us over. But that's the message that they're sharing. Not Christians are sharing, you know, in the every instance of encounters going back and forth. We don't see the idea that these entities are here to harm us or even kill us. The the major outcome of encounters with these beings is that it's so disturbing to our own psyche as humans that it leads us to the point of wanting killing ourselves. You know, I see that over and over. And a lot of the testimonies were abduction experiencers because they can't get answers. Because they can't get answers. Because it's it's something that's disturbing to the point, you know, that it destroys their life. It destroys their relationships.
46:21 You know, they get to the point to where at the end with no hope to look forward to, you see many times them sitting on the edge of the edge of the bed with a gun in their hand ready to end it all. You know, and that's the that's what these entities intent is. They're not out to kill us themselves. But they'll drive us to the point that we would. Want to kill ourselves just to stop the craziness. Right. Absolutely. Wow. I'm seeing a lot of questions coming in the chat and we see you. I'm putting a little emphasis that will star beside those in my admin panel. But we're going to have a Q&A at the end here. And so hold all your questions until the end. And in fact, think of them, because I think I think I can get the phone system working here so we can have Collins. And that will be really interesting, not only for you, but for me and the rest of the audience, if we can get that working.
47:11 We'll see. That would be the first night we've ever done that tonight. So hold your questions. We're going to we're going to catch all those at the end. Let's watch this next clip. This is where it starts to get really fascinating. That they're there. They're. Devils, they're demons. They're here to deceive you and to. And to make you disbelieve in what you believe. And so that's a real question. So that's a real group. As far as what I know about them. I have not run into anyone who I would say they're members of the Collins elite. That is, I don't know if it's an organization or it's a label for that belief that they're demonic.
48:01 So I don't know if they'd like get together. And as the Collins elite. Well, I do know that there are people who deeply hold. Religious convictions, more of a traditional Christian nature that will perceive UAPs and their occupants as demonic. Yes, I know that. Again, I know I mentioned Lou Elizondo earlier, but he was saying that a superior that he reported to actually thought they were demonic. But that was very interesting. You know, with that position in the government could actually think something like that. See, what's fascinating to me about this, Joe, is that they're painting already. I can see it in the back of my head just by flipping the stage and seeing it through their eyes.
48:49 I can see how they're painting the people that think this way as absolutely crazy. I mean, can you imagine these things appear and then people are like, oh, this is great. We have, you know, something that can help stop poverty, help stop world hunger and all these other things that we think that they're going to do. Yes. They're going to give us technology. And then you've got the religious organizations who honestly have been against things in the past that they shouldn't have. And they're going to look back and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the religious organizations. They're always about trying to conserve the old way of doing things. We need to move forward with this. They're crazy. Isn't that what you think is happening? I do. And I think, you know, that's why the research that we as Christians that have been in this field for some time is so important. To make sure that we get out there because, you know, they sit on no evidence at all.
49:44 There's nothing to date to prove either way what this is out there. They've got nothing. They're only using stuff that is, you know, people are speaking about, except for what we're sharing. And that's something that we have to look at, even if you're not a Christian. What is there to look at as far as evidence? In the secular side, there is nothing. As a 30-year member of MUFON, I can tell you as a national director, as a state section director, as an international field investigator, I can tell you as a MUFON representative, there is no evidence to tell us exactly what this is. There's no evidence, physical evidence, that proves to this day as a smoking gun that this is where they're from. This is what this is. This is what's behind us. There's nothing. Except that when you look at what we as Christians have put together and looked at it from a biblical standpoint, we have answers to some of the major questions.
50:48 Why has this happened to certain people? We have answers to that now. Can this experience be stopped? They're saying still to this day, no. But yet cases upon cases upon cases show that it can be. And only one way that it can be. So it's not that we're coming at this as Bible thumpers and based on something we believe. We're coming at this with evidence, something that they don't have. Yes, absolutely. And not only do we have all the evidence that's found in your book, and you recite a lot of that evidence already. I mean, we have people that have actually been involved in demonic societies and came and found Christ.
51:34 And came out and said, you know what? These demonic societies are actually saying that this is going to be a big thing at the end. Check out this clip. This is fascinating. And the priest told us, could I have a little bit more of your time? I want to do something very fascinating. He says the grain plain, the master's grain plain, for harvesting the nations, for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause, just before the close of the Greek controversy between the forces of good and evil. So we continued, you know, after we express ourselves. We're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits. And he said it's going to be done in a unique manner. This grain plain, he says, is going to take people. People are going to eat the stuff. Because he says spirits, demon spirits, will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done.
52:33 To avoid. To avoid it, he says. And I think that's really interesting. Because this is, if you don't know who this is, his name is Roger Marneau. And I'm talking to the rest of the audience, Joe. I know you've seen him. I've presented him. He's actually in the intro with a lot of your clips, too. Because I think this is a good evidence that this guy really was a part of some secret society up in Montreal, Canada. And that he really knew behind the scenes what was going to happen. And it's really fascinating. To kind of pick apart his words. I've done that in a documentary called Starfall. You can watch that in starfallmovie.com. Starfall. And it goes into, in length, what exactly was happening behind that. It's really interesting. Anyway, there's so much evidence that points that this is actually a demonic encounter.
53:22 That it's interesting to see what is all happening. Do you have any comments? Or do you want me to pull the next clip? Well, just to let people know that. Over the last couple of months now. As I've done these podcasts like this. And I've made, you know, an opportunity in areas where I haven't been able to speak before. And gotten this information out. I've had some contacts come to me. You know, within MUFON. Of other directors like myself. That are coming out and saying, you know, independently we did this research ourselves. Even though we're MUFON members. We're directors in a position in MUFON. Independently looking at this. We've come to the same conclusions. And they're reaching out to me. Now that they've seen my work. And seen what I'm putting out there. So, I've been in contact with a number of them.
54:12 Now that I never knew were there before. You know, they're finally coming out and saying, hey, we can't be quiet on this. And, you know, we just want to talk about it. And maybe share the information that we've all gained from this. But we're supporting what you've done. Wow. And we see that as independently coming across the same, you know, findings. So, it's not just me. It's not just me, you know, that's saying, hey, this is what this is. There's independent work that's going right alongside of what I'm doing. That they're getting the same results. Same information. And they're in positions like I am. That, you know, they came at this from a secular point of view. But ended up having to say, hey, no, this God is real. This Bible is real.
55:01 And what we're seeing here is not what they're telling us. Wow. Wow. It's fascinating. Because this spiritualism, which I like to call it. This spiritualism is going to join forces with an ecumenical movement at the end. It's going to really join forces with some churches. And just kind of move the people towards this idea. That's what I believe. I mean, that's what we see happening right now. As what is the... Attorney. There's a white haired attorney. He's in the bumper music. Where he is obviously saying, hey, I'm trying to put together a group with all these religions. And try to press them together so that they all have something to say when this actually starts to happen. And so it's all coming together just as the Bible says.
55:53 And I think that's really fascinating. Absolutely. I'm going to jump. I think this is the next clip. I've lost track. I apologize. I'll stop it if it isn't. But here we go. Mass landing of UFOs all over the world. Who would handle the media? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. Because what? Each country? Or, you know, I mean, that type of thing. Well, in this country, it's going to be a free for all. Because we still have an independent media not controlled by the government. Influenced by the government money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The media is owned up, or influenced by the government not controlled by the government. In other countries, the media is controlled by the government, but when you have a mass landing like that, which I am hoping will happen, actually, by 2027...
56:40 I hope that happens, because that would break it wide open. Of course, that'd be the end of that. There'd be no more need for disclosure. Because they disclose themselves. Yeah. That's that's what I'm talking about. That they themselves are in charge of disclosure. Yeah. If they do it by this mass landing anywhere... Do it. the media is in this country uh it'll be the biggest news on the planet if there was a mask so i think that's interesting that he said that um i just included that he didn't say anything yet but i think that's fascinating that a former pentagon official would say that you know i really hope this happens that well let me just pick a random date by 2027 i don't believe they know exactly when this is going to happen but i think it's fascinating that this retired pentagon uh uh intelligence officer is saying yeah you know i i have friends that are still in this and i i know officially but unofficially well let's let's wait i'm getting ahead of myself uh before you uh do you have anything to say joe or i'm gonna play the next clip because that's yes sadly i think he gave us more than we wanted to hear um by him reaching out there to 2027 you know and keeping in mind that you know of his background i think he's just let us know that we're probably not going to get anything definite for at least another five years i mean they're going to continue to play this soft disclosure with us all the way you know for another half a decade let's he say he goes even further into it in the next clip um it says i didn't play it yet let me check planning of ufos all over the world no that was it but going back to the previous question there'll be those who believe that the occupants are devils and they need to be destroyed yeah you know and you have that faction and you have other faction believing that it's all oh don't believe that you know it's all like computer generated graphics you know yeah they believe it's cgi you know uh you're gonna get a wide range of opinions but uh i would love to see that happen uh in this country uh it will be the biggest news story ever yes of course and in other countries that have uh more or less an independent press yeah i think like you know you again talking science fiction there are so i'm cutting off right there because um we're not at the clip that i think is the most interesting yet where he actually started talking about dates and stuff and and to be absolutely clear i don't believe that you can actually reveal dates on this stuff i don't think even the devil is sure of anything because he's not omniscient he doesn't know everything but i think it's interesting that um that well that they they're coming to some conclusions here that are really interesting and he's mocking the christians in this last clip too and that's that's why i included that anything uh any thoughts on that joe well the interesting thing that he said there is that christians you know we're out there that we want to destroy these things i've never heard that from any christian you know we just want to we just want to let people know that this is a delusion that is it's deception and you know illusions all wrapped into one to make this grand illusion there's nothing that we need to destroy about it except the whole concept the whole idea behind it you know that's all we're after we're not after trying to set up any type of weaponry to destroy these craft in any way i think the name of jesus handles that just fine right right exactly and that shows just by the evidence that these things disappear and go away and the whole the whole thing vanishes with the name of jesus christ shows me who exactly they are and so yeah that's exactly it um this uh next one let's run it attacking whatever lands here and that is a very big possibility that um there would be some type of violence and you know perhaps that's one of the reasons that these things are not really showing themselves you know it's because we tend to be
1:00:57 very violent and tribal and who knows what we would do if there was like a mass landing uh would we just simply prepare for a conflict or would we actually initiate something you know that's right everything so this is the thing we've heard over and over again and this next clip was the clip that's really gonna is the one this whole thing is based on we're gonna have a lot to say but but they're they're saying that the reason these things haven't appeared yet is because that we're a violent society well i i i beg to differ i think the reason these things haven't appeared yet is because they're making us become a violent society they're causing conflict in their own subtle way and then they're gonna come and say let us show you how to fix it we can fix this whole thing for you all you have to do is this one special thing and that's where it all comes down and so that's what i think is happening in this next clip i gotta load because i don't have enough space on here to load so do you have anything to say about that joe no you're heading right to the answer so let's let's watch this next clip this is the one that really gets really weird and we're breaking uh three digit uh live numbers tonight that's that's awesome guys keep sharing this this is uh this is a holiday so this is the time you're around your family just make the friends of the Korean Shouldn't be happy y'all have some fun. see you next week. don't want them to be deceived by this so share this episode talk more about this go to watch starfallmovie.com this is the time where where you want to reveal that this thing is actually happening here let's watch this last clip together and it's not let me do it because i got to remove a clip to add a clip uh file ad there we go i think i think the dialogue we're having now in this country uh even with the recent legislation uh that passed uh through the uh legislature and and is on its way up to the president's desk um even with that uh we're kind of preparing the the u.s population at least and uh by extension the world population and to that reality that there is something there is a presence here and that we need to explain this presence because if they show up and we continue to do what we did before in previous decades and this would be in the next six or 17 years they might show up there will be mass panic but if you understand that though these are real and we have five years from 2022 or maybe now four years uh if they come in 2027 uh for for the u.s government to prepare the people about what is up there and in many ways i think uh the word got out i'm gonna pause it right there what do you think about that prepare the people about this whole thing is prepping us for a lie yeah yeah yeah i i'm fascinating to to surmise and i don't like to surmise too much on this channel like to go off the facts what we see what we i mean not just what we see because that can be even changed what we see what we feel can be changed and that's going to be the biggest deception at the end of time what we know the bible says is the ultimate uh authority and that's what i like to look on on this channel and focus primarily on but everything else i take and put in little boxes in the back of my head and go hmm what does that mean i'm going to throw that in a box and when it matches something the scripture i'm going to pull it out and match it like a puzzle piece so let's continue what he said he said a lot more through here for for the us government to prepare the people about what is up there and in many ways i think the word got out within the government that they're showing up in 2027 and uh we better be prepared and and if not there's going to be a lot of explaining to do um and so i think that dialogue has happened within uh inside the government in certain areas inside the government that we need to prepare and that's why in 2017 uh that set a clock of 10 years and why lou elizondo earlier in this year said you know just find a hobby for five years and uh you know it'll all be out in fact five years and he said that this year so that was 2027. and i would say i've heard 2027 in a kind of an official capacity that i can't reveal so i think um i i would say that people
1:05:31 in the government are aware of something happening and that there's limited time a few more years to prepare the people and that's what's ramping up uh this acceleration uh from the seven decades of not even acknowledging it to now we we are acknowledging it at a faster and faster pace so i'm gonna pause it right there well i mean that's that's the end of this clip that's in the clip number 10. i i think that's really fascinating because um like i've said before satan doesn't know he doesn't know when is it going to be the best time but it's we know that this is going to happen something's going to happen big and um i think it's it's really interesting that just like i i like to say satan liked to have a counterattack to this thing because the world is so big that it's like the world is so big that it's like the world is so big that it's a counter for everything that God has. God loves prophecy. He loves saying, hey, look, this is what's going to happen. And Satan's like, hey, hey, no, I can tell you this too. But he's not always right. I mean, look at all the soothsayers. Look at all the, all the, what do you call those people that read your tarot cards or whatnot, that they're not always right. And we shouldn't go to them because they are operating in a realm that the Bible says don't touch. Because if you go to those people and you step into that realm, you are giving yourself the opportunity, just as Eve went to the tree, she was stepping, God said, don't even go there. Don't touch the fruit. Don't eat it. Don't step into that realm because you are making a choice with your actions. You know, it's interesting what you're saying right there is the same thing I said at the first talk I ever did. When I had an opportunity to share my findings way back in the day, I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. back in 1997 it was at a new age conference a new age group that I had just come out of for many years and I had an opportunity to speak at this conference that they were holding I remember standing up there at the end with the bible in my hand with a whole room full of these same people that were fortune tellers and and soothsayers and readers of you know the future and I'm telling them why would you want to settle for any information coming from a small g god when you can have direct contact and direct relationship and direct connection with the god that's creator of all you know and it was just I didn't realize how daring I was being at the time you know my my partner's trying to get me out of there out of an exit door somewhere he goes you know what you're saying but the interesting part like I shared with you the other night was at the end of that talk as we headed out into the hallway where my partner was trying to get me to because he thought it was going to be a hostile you know reception these people actually follow this out there please tell us more you know share with us more you've got something bigger than what we're tapped into share that with us you know you know I'll never forget that oh man oh man that's that's awesome so did the did you get a chance to share more with them or what happened after that we we did we spent quite a bit of time in that hallway you know helping these people understand you know where god comes from and you know his gospel message compared to what they were sharing and what they were tapping into so you know I think we reached a lot of people that day that was just totally unexpected you know and I was quite quite surprised it's not just that you know people don't want to believe in god a lot of people have never been taught the truth about god in god's word a lot of people reject the bible because somebody's told them something that isn't true about it you know you hear a lot of things saying well you know we have to become this or that if we're going to be believers you know and the bible doesn't say that the bible says come as you are you know and I'll never forget the first time um you know listening to my pastor and it was at the time where I went to be baptized in my church and uh there were five of us and he told us he said you know the bible doesn't say you have to do anything to come to this point to be able to be a believer and follower of jesus christ he doesn't say you have to do anything but he says I will tell you hear my words that because you are now coming into the family of god you will want to do his works you will want to because you will understand the truth and and that's something that you know the enemy lies to us about you know the enemy tells us you're not worthy you're not worthy
1:10:20 to be a follower of jesus you have to do these things and that you can't do that you know but those are all lies that's not what the gospel says you know and I think just proper teaching and getting people to understand what it the accuracy of the gospel is I think that we need to be more open to you know coming into it and having that relationship with jesus christ that's what it took for me I had a misunderstanding about what it said but once I had that opportunity to hear it clearly it was just like I gotta have that yeah yeah and that's it I mean we're all I if you really think about it all of humanity truly wants to do the right thing I mean that's that's the whole thing behind politics that's the whole thing behind all this stuff everyone's assuming that they are doing the right thing because they believe truly that they are doing no one's no one sits there and goes hey uh what's the most well i bet there are a few people but no one sits on the couch and says what's the most evil thing i can do today right they they think you know this has to be uh the closest thing that i can understand uh to the to the right thing to do i'm helping people you know maybe the soothsayers are saying i'm helping people by knowing their future by these spirits so it's it and if they if they really understood it they really uh pulled things together and looked at the evidence wow i mean there wouldn't be a deception but let's open phones um this is the first time we've ever done this um this isn't my number i'm going to preface it with this this is a google voice number this is a a number that's going to disappear after this live broadcast so um we're going to try this call-in thing i don't know if if too many people call in while someone's on the phone it might beep beep beep and no one can can talk so i don't know how this is going to work but we're going to try it right now and if it doesn't work i'll figure something out for next time and we're going to have a whole different uh setup whole different program by this coming next year right now it's uh 12 29 2022 when this was recorded and uh we're coming on 2023 and it's going to be a fun fun year so um i'm going to change my name to open phones that's the number four two three two five zero three eight eight five that'll go directly to my google voice app on my cell phone which should pipe into the audio here we'll see what happens but um we're going to keep um let's first come first serve whoever gets it first we're going to have someone uh that wants to uh maybe ask some questions about what's going on and maybe they have some questions for joe tonight maybe they have questions about what they just saw or maybe they're hearing this for the first time and they just uh want to talk more about it if there is a problem and you can't get through at that number please put something in the text or in the chat box and say um hey i'm not i'm not reaching anybody or it's it's going straight to a busy signal or or something's not working because like i said this is the first time we've tried this and it should be really interesting to see what happens but until that happens i mean we might just have a few people that just don't want to make a call right now and that's totally fine because it's kind of weird let's look at some of the chat questions that we had earlier i'm going to read some of those is it wrong to assume that there are two types of ufos the government clearly has this technology via fallen angels uh one ufo is a supernatural phenomenon and the other is a government property is that possible that we've created something uh joe what do you think about that um i'm not sure what they're thinking about it i'm not sure what they're thinking about it is created something i have to tell you as a mufon representative what we understand about ufos 98 of all reported sightings 98 or more of all reported sightings fall under the category of misidentifieds and we say misidentifieds because it's it's where people see something that is either man-made and they've misidentified it or it's something of natural phenomenon so we do know that there are plenty of new aircraft out there that are being developed all the time by the different countries you know for so-called defense purposes um that they try to keep secret as long as possible so that they always stay one up on their you know their foot their their foes um secrecy is of utmost importance in national security for any country so the whole idea of keeping them secret as they're flying them is very important and as we see these things by accident um of course we're going to see
1:15:06 that oh that's not that's a ufo i don't know what that is i've never seen anything like it so yeah we see that but as far as developing some type of craft similar to what we would call a flying saucer from another world no very good uh sandra asks how do more people how do more people or how do yeah how do more people not know of these things instead they are okay with the space force so so it's it's an interesting uh i understand what she's saying it's an interesting um theory that the space force just came about just recently as these um uaps were revealed in the uh in the uh in the news so isn't that interesting that um that more people that this more people don't know about this i've actually gone to people um in the the store and other things like this and just casually brought up about uips and they're like what are you talking about it's all over the news what do you mean you're what are you talking about but um isn't it interesting also that they developed a space force around this time could this be part of the hope to kind of monitor what's going on here and and focus on this it's a good question of course it is you know um you know that it's just that the whole concept of what the space force is doing now it actually has been under another department prior till now what they've done is separated the the jobs that the people are doing for the space force under a new agency and gave it its own agency where before it was under either the air force or the army um you know where now it's independent yeah it's it's still like the air under the air force but it's still its own agency now you right right let me take this caller hello this is the first time caller what's your name oh just a second let me get you on the right uh connection here okay are you there can you hear me yes can you hear me yes i can wow it's working what's your name hey my name is christy uh i'm so glad to speak with you um i just had a couple things that i would like to chime in about uh first of all my belief is that you know ufos are definitely fallen angels uh do you agree with that oh absolutely all right amen to that um and um i'm hoping that we can be true and have an open discussion about all of the voices that are in everybody's heads and um talk about who they are i am the female voice that is reading the bible and i'm hoping that we can be true and have an open discussion about all of the in the whole world's head right now you are and i believe that i am yes i am nice to meet you okay i've never heard of this before you know actually we're going to have a um a separate show that has people call in with stories and experiences that um that has a guided discussion on this and so i want to kind of focus on any questions you have for joe or or me uh on this broadcast because i don't want to waste anybody's time there's a lot of people that are going to be on this podcast a lot of people watching are you do you have a question for us or do you want okay um well i just want to know do you guys believe that they're going to use and i mean the government uh i believe that they are going to use like a alien uh uh invasion kind of thing after the rapture to kind of blame it on or introduce the a alien being as the antichrist to try and get people to worship him because you know they will have the iq you know way above any human intelligence because they will be fallen angels oh you're a lack though i think your friend in the background is uh is mocking you that's funny though i'm gonna turn yeah if you don't mind i'm gonna turn you down a little bit and we'll discuss this okay okay okay real good what do you think about that joe well myself i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't like to put my you know ideas or beliefs that i don't have evidence for um these are both possibilities there are there are potential possibilities that can be used um my mentor by the way uh 30 years ago dr david allen lewis who wrote ufo end time delusion um that was his
1:19:58 actual belief that was going to happen in the future that they would use this whole concept um to answer the the rapture of the of the church the people being taken away um that that the christians were taken out of the way because they they wouldn't comply um you know they were they were not falling in line with you know the benefit of humanity um so yeah that was these thoughts are being talked about for years now um it's a it's we don't know you know it's something that possibly could be used but i don't think it necessarily has to be this whole concept of this slow disclosure this whole change in the way they've been thinking all along the government uh and the ufo community is is driving us to change the way we perceive reality as a whole anyway and that i believe is the intent you know of the of the ufo phenomenon to get us to take our eyes away from the one true god that right there puts you in a situation where you're going to be eternally doomed anyway you know without having to make a presence known without having to you know to make an invasion known or anything else it's happening already people are losing their souls at this point as they fall for this delusion yeah yeah and there's many different um eschological that's the that's the key word here eschatology is the study of last day events that um there's many different people that believe many different things about that and as you have to study the bible for yourself um for instance for me personally i believe that there isn't any second chances there's a popular movie coming out that is a second part of a longer movie called left behind and it it dr it drums up the idea that there is a second chance if you don't make it we don't see anywhere in the bible where there is a second chance it's only you know when people got on the ark that was it the door closed it was over and so i i think and and jesus says as in the time of noah so will be at the end of time and so we don't see any time where there is a um a a oh well i missed it and so i didn't understand it so now i got a second chance to get right with god now is the time folks and if they say something's happening in 2027 hey i don't think that's might be correct but who knows and so we in time is now get right with the lord now that's the goal that's the thing that we need to do and so i i don't know if to answer your question but um i'm going to go ahead and go to the next caller and that's the next question real quick i do want you to call back in our next episode because i think um we we have a lot to talk about thank you for your call uh sounds great uh like i could hear my conversation and another conversation of the same time so it was a little bit more to comprehend what all that's being said but here just a moment just a moment yeah i will definitely this is a challenge um are you there still okay yes okay so um you are the first caller right yeah okay so yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna get to your your testimony uh next but i'm gonna run to the next caller because there's lots of people calling in and i appreciate your call thank you very much we got travis moore on the line how are you doing travis i'm doing great hey i i tell me more about what you're thinking what's your question yeah so i mean just looking and kind of digesting this whole topic i think what's especially fascinating is the fact that we've had so much entertainment that's leading up and sort of mixing the alien and the spiritual and in this newest avatar movie in particular i feel like we're once again diving back into the idea that aliens are spiritual and people don't connect the dots like they'll be big fans of science but then when it comes to aliens they're like oh it's cool yeah they can totally have a spiritual aspect to them and it and maybe it's very real like like and then they're talking about channeling them right like it's the whole thing like do you guys think that this is ramping up pretty rapidly right now i mean would you like put like a bed on like like it sounds like obviously we're talking about dates now like it feels like we could be seeing a real big mix of the spiritual and alien coming up in
1:24:45 our lifetime and i think that maybe we're actually even seeing a very accurate depiction in our media yeah okay i'm gonna turn you down while we talk about that real quick and uh we'll we'll uh we'll discuss that okay travis sure okay so what do you think about that joe um well sure travis i would have to say that if you're new coming into this and you're listening to all of this yes it does sound like it's ramping up very fast here uh in a short period of time but i will have to tell you that you know i've been at this for 30 years and there's been other researchers that have been out there at it for 40 and 50 years so it's looking at it from our perspective of being in there for some time this has been a slow progression um we've seen a progression through the past decades where this was initially humanoid figures from planets within our solar system to the so-called hollywood alien coming from star systems like zeta reticuli to a slow transition into the 2008-2009 period where it just started to sniff a little bit of the solar system and then be kind of you know a interdimensional aspect and now they're switching it over to stepping into the next level of being a spiritual aspect so it may seem like a fast transition to you but to me it's still the same old slow transitioning and programming for us to get to a point to where they want to get their final message across so yeah it kind of depends on how you're coming out this yeah and there's also um but but it is true that there's there has been a more of a mainstream media trained about it that's that's very interesting why is there so much that's happening out in mainstream suddenly i mean that's that's that's blowing my mind right now because that alone is what made me step into it before i was like oh people believe in this there must be something wrong with them and then i had to take us two steps back and go okay well if this is coming out in mainstream let me look into this the rest of this stuff and people really experience these things they don't completely understand what's going on but they are sincere about it and they're not you know mental and that's what really blew me away and so yeah i i think there is something happening right now do you have any follow-up questions travis well just also to keep in mind and we've talked about this before travis that you know even though this is a very interesting topic for a lot of people i think it's a very interesting topic for a lot of people i think it's a very interesting topic for a lot of people i think it's a very interesting topic for a lot of people i think it's a very interesting topic for a lot of people has gone mainstream and you're seeing it and you're seeing a lot more of it the thing is that as a researcher of many years of this keep in mind that something we've said before that this is primarily a westernized modernized christianized nation phenomenon it's still not something that's impacting the world you know as a whole it's still mostly focused on that group of people does that answer your question travis yeah yeah i just i very much enjoy the topic and ever since i came to the similar conclusion as you guys that i do believe that if the mainstream media is talking about something it really seems like there's something that is active and not something that is a hoax or a conspiracy theory and when i had to justify that with my spiritual beliefs i became extremely interested in this topic and just to see it magnified if not glorified in our mainstream media or i mean at least our entertainment media a lot of our celebrities are now channeling things and they're and they're encouraging others to do so in a spiritual way and it's like you know it's not just machines or aircraft in the sky it's literal a spiritual practice being encouraged very good thank you absolutely thank you travis for your call um open phones four two three two five zero three eight eight five we'll take a few more calls uh it's about eleven ten p.m where we are on the air east coast and so um we we have lives tomorrow too and so we're gonna have to end this sometime but we're not going yet and um we uh we love the conversation we love to to to talk to you guys as much as possible and so if anybody else has any calls go ahead and give us a call at that number
1:29:30 or we'll be looking in the chat for your questions let's see we got one question from chris tfs does lou imply he doesn't respect this pentagon official anymore you know i think that's interesting that's a good question because i got the impression through all the interviews that i i heard that he definitely gave uh uh i don't know what the word is lip service saying that he definitely respects this guy he told he said he he respects him but i also got the impression that he left the pentagon because he was disgruntled by their unwillingness to look into the pentagon and i think that's a little problematic but i think that's a good point um so let's go to lou elizondo and i'm going to just follow up on that i've been thinking about it very much about it because i'm i've been thinking about there's so much talk that's going on about um these questions about new york um it's just it's it's just not it's it's not it's not up to whatever i could possibly into this further what did you have you seen any of these interviews joe i have and i agree with you on both of those casual conversation but he is concerned about this viewpoint and i he is very understanding of the viewpoint and i think he is actually i would have to say in my judgment of that conversation with him that he's in a little bit of agreement in this viewpoint really wow that's news to me i so i guess his his uh point is that the government shouldn't hide anything and that it should at least come out fascinating fascinating because it was brought out in one of the podcasts i listened to that he is he is christian of some sort he has some religious background and so i think that's that's fascinating itself i forget which podcast that was but i remember him walking down the streets of um another country talking to this this guy and he was saying something about his religious background of christianity so um very interesting well we got no more calls coming in and i think that's that's kind of neat that um this thing worked i'm gonna have to find a different app that allows me to queue up the calls because um having someone beep in while someone else is calling isn't gonna work but um yeah i think as it takes the show to a whole new level and it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting as we uh progress um this this uh whole device that i have here that lets me do that is my christmas present to myself and uh that uh hopefully we can make this this show um uh the next level this next year too thank you so much joe for coming on the show and um thank you uh listeners we've cracked 115 concurrent people watching right now that's fantastic that's a new record and i just want to thank you for that and i'll see you next time you do appreciate it appreciate all of you and uh if you find this topic important and you think this is an important topic that we need to learn more about we need to talk more about and you think your church should talk more about it um invite me to come speak i'm actually going to chicago to speak in that general area in the next um in the next couple months and um also we also have a patreon so patreon.com strange normal you can be a part of that you can help us spread this message because that that that that money that goes towards that goes to spread this message and help us uh do all that because that's the main goal of this whole thing i have a job so anything extra is here to press this thing that i feel very passionate about i know joe does too so thank you so much go ahead and do a giveaway before we go oh thank you for reminding me yes absolutely that's that's uh i'm glad i didn't close because i want to close with prayer and i also do that giveaway so um i'm going to watch the chat here everyone get your keyboards out if you're half asleep listening to me wake up because uh you're going to have to uh press something on the keyboard and um to have everyone uh the same i'm going to use one letter because uh it's kind of hard to type a letter type a whole word i'm not going to ask you to type in supercalifragilisticexpialidocious into the keyboard with your with your iphone or android so um uh let's let's all press the letter the first one to do this gets uh gets a book actually let me do the first three to do this gets uh gets a free book uh from joe's book
1:34:17 um what's the name of the book again joe piercing the cosmic veil piercing the cosmic veil very good all right ready set go hit the letter w into the keyboard put q already w you are one letter off on the keyboard xz reagan reagan you already have one oh there we go there we go it's all coming in now looks like we got it we got it we got it okay everyone stop i'm gonna have to go back and it's gonna be a photo finish we have to go back and look at all this stuff now um on mine i have and uh i'll have to go back just to be absolutely sure but it looks like sam was the first uh meredith was the second and christine christine um christian uh was the was next and so we are going to i'm going to look at that in the in the archive to make sure that's correct but i think that's that's it is if you were one of those people go ahead and email me at brad burnham at protonmail.com brad burnham at protonmail.com and i will send you a free book um on my expense and that's uh that's part of why we do the patreon so that we can do things like this and we can ship things out so um my my email is in the chat email me right now before you forget and uh we'll go ahead and do that for you thank you so much joe for being on the program if you don't mind would you uh end the program with prayer sure i'd love to okay heavenly father thank you for this awesome opportunity and you ability to be able to reach those out in the world uh with a technology that many use against believers but we can use for believers and for the the word of god to be able to share the message of truth to be able to uncover this delusion that has come upon the world uh in this ufo phenomenon thank you father for bradley's work thank you father for and those that are working with him and help this whole thing come about this program come about this this voice to the lost this voice to the hurting and a voice that we can offer a hope to those that know of no hope that's out there a hope that they can terminate this experience if it's happening to them they hope that they know that they can find the truth in all of this deception and delusion that is coming upon us we thank you father for everything that you've done for us in our life for our children and their families and that you've been able to do to help us continue this work, and we ask that you continue to work with us, continue to guide us and watch over us as we bring these messages of truth to the airwaves to be able to help others. And we thank you in Jesus' holy name. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Joe.
1:37:21 Good night, everyone.