0:07 There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so, you know, I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. There are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet. And keep in mind, there are basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe. I mean, you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there. But you've seen this. You've seen the data. Well, no one knows, but I think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else.
1:08 The mission of NASA is to explore the universe. The mission of NASA is to explore the universe. The mission of NASA is to explore the universe. The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles. What, I guess, in the vernacular, you call them UFOs. We call them UAPs. You know how this sounds. It sounds nutty, wacky. Look, Bill, I'm not telling you that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you is real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities? So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official. This is a Department of Defense official saying, stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic? Correct. He told me, he said, Bill, I want you to stop doing this. I said, okay, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is.
2:00 He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately? And I said, well, sir, I think I know what it says. Where are you going with this? And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic, and we should not be pursuing them. The showings of the angels or the showings of God, always showed up as orbs of light or things like that. And today we see this as, we see these as, we call them UFOs. A pillar of fire at night and confused Russian troops. It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving heavenly help? There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship, like there was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightning was starting shooting from the sky. And like sparks were going, were like spreading everywhere.
2:57 And then they, on the morning, they discovered that the whole, the whole machinery was destroyed. The Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs. And among other things, the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns, paralysis, and brain damage. Report also says that some people who saw UFOs experience, quote, perceived time suspension, saw ghosts and other spirits. You know all that. The report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files and another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases, whatever that means. Lou Elizondo. My name is Matthew Roberts. I was a cryptologic technician in the U.S. Navy for 16 years. I found myself watching the footage over and over again, almost obsessively.
3:53 I started to have these follow on. Experiences with the phenomenon that was like the beginning of seeing non-human entities in my room at night because my job was classified and I had access to classified. I was kind of aware this was not a one-off event for the Navy. This, these things happen frequently all the time. They happen all the time. Barbara. My colleague, Whitley Striever, both of them, before I came across one, they had interviewed people that part of what they experienced was encountering a former live relative. In other words, they were encountering a dead relative on the craft.
4:50 These entities have the ability to appear in any form. We're now less than 16 minutes away. I was involved with a cold practice. For almost a full decade and after my conversion, if you will, I felt it, I was in the kitchen by myself and I felt it come up next to me and I said out loud, I said, God, whatever this is that's been posing as grandma for the past seven years in Jesus's name, get it away from me and never let it come back. And it hasn't been back since. What do you think that was? Just a hallucination or a. To be perfectly honest, a demon. Yeah. That's my understanding of ghosts, any anything of that kind of sort. You don't believe in ghosts? I don't. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders.
5:53 And Jesus warns in the Gospel of Luke, and it's repeated in the book of Acts, chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens. And a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy. So we need to. Know what the truth is, what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days. And define what that acronym is. Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. OK. And so the government has had and this has been in the news very recently, have had lots of trouble with this. I, in my own time, was studying this stuff at the same time in California. Wow. And so both of us with separately without communicating, we're studying this and going, wow, there is something going on.
6:42 Here is this is out. It's in Congress and they're discussing this right now. This isn't conspiracy. Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely. What's going on here? Absolutely. I saw that I saw the documentary you guys put together like that. It's very eye opening. The belief in UFOs is now a new global belief system. It's different than a religion, but it's religious like what they're seeing in the sky today is what they believe to be like advanced technology. Whereas a thousand years ago, they would think maybe that's an angel or maybe that's a demon. Today, they look up and they say, well, that's a UFO. When a person has an experience, say they see a UFO, they're different afterwards. I know this sounds really strange, but the relationship to the cosmos changed for these people, almost like a religious conversion experience. It changes their worldview.
7:36 It changes the way they work. It changes their relationships to people. It fundamentally, completely changes them. And it messes with their concept of who we are in relation to the universe. My name is Tom DeLonge. Most people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called Blink 182. I started a company called To The Stars that eventually became To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. We are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma. When people start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon. The term. The occult in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon than and that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats.
8:32 And mind you, as we'll talk about this in a little bit, it's not all coming from me. It's coming from other people of the highest places. There is a very, very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions. And the UFO phenomenon and what you have is something that doesn't like man, period, and something that feels either jealous of or has some kind of plan for what man is to be. We passed the 11 minute mark. Now, T minus 10 minutes, 54 seconds on our countdown. But what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief. It's a professor for the Pope's University in Rome, and he is a very highly respected intellectual.
9:29 His last name is Tanzaniti, and he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon, not not right in the beginning, we won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning. But there is information coming from another world. And once it is confirmed, it is going to recur. It's going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the Pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently that invite extends even to Martians. Over the next 10 years, I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to.
10:22 To stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. This is documented evidence. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first, the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy, then terrorists would be identified. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies and the next enemy was asteroids. And the funniest one of all was against what he called alien. And over and over. Over and over. During the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is a lie. Are there other religions, I'm curious, David, that you know of and all the research that you've done that are more open to the idea?
11:25 Yeah, I would say there are, you know, Hindus. And Buddhists, you know, Tibetans or whatnot. The idea of extraterrestrial life and things like that, I think they have no problem with that. And UFOs, particularly in Hindu and Buddhist tradition, they have UFOs. UFOs have been flying around for thousands of years, according to them. They call them Vimanas. They have whole texts about it. And so that's the other thing, say, with the Vatican, too, is that UFO sightings. UFO sightings have been going on for thousands of years. Mormons, as well, believe in extraterrestrial life. And, I mean, they are also a religion that wouldn't have any problems with that. I think a lot of, you know, modern-day religions don't have a problem with life on other planets. You solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
12:22 So help you God. You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S. government is saying publicly, we are not alone. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely, the data points empirically that we're not alone. The inspector general made a determination about the credibility of your complaint. They found, after interviewing myself in the subjects, in other subjects that I'm not even cognizant of who they were, they found my complaint urgent and credible. For the Intelligence Committees. Do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials? Something I can't discuss in public setting. Have human beings been hurt or killed by a non-human intelligence?
13:21 While I can't get into the specifics, because that would reveal certain U.S. classified operations, I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were and that will remain in the mentoring room. In the following days, I have received a letter from an order from the CIA, saying that that is not a sole part of our intelligence. I have received the message from the CIA in their information and it's been a little bit too long, but I am a lot closer than they make you believe. My information is still credible and I do not know what it is. And there's not much I can say about it. So let's see about that. Why would you be very clear about this? You're saying that the Catholic Church, the Vatican they know about the existence of nonhuman intelligence government, either what agency, sub-agency, what contractors, who should be called into the next hearing about UAPs, either in a public setting or even in a private setting? And you probably can't name names, but what agencies or organizations, contractors, et cetera, do we need to call in to get these questions answered, whether it's about funding, what programs are happening, and what's out there? I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those. And how soon can we get that list? I'm happy to provide that to you after the hearing. I think that, I think they are very real, but I think what is your idea of reality? That's the question. You see that the DOD and NASA, even, they're all hiring physicists to work on this UFO issue, and that's not where the truth is.
15:01 This lies more within the realm of the humanities, within the realm of psychology, philosophy, religious studies. That's where you're going to find the truth of this. But I don't think these are people from another planet. I still think these are what people call angels. I think they're messengers. I'm dying to know what they've got to say. We're now passing the four minute, 30 second mark. Can the countdown still go at this time? So in reality, Roger, you were chosen by high-powered demon spirits to be a part of their human special privileged group. He says, we are the elite. We know the real truth about the master and his angels. And the priest told us, could I have a little bit more of your time? I want to do something very fascinating. He says, the grand plan for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil. And he said, it's going to be done in a unique manner. This grand plan is going to take people. People are going to eat the stuff because he says, spirits, demon spirits, will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet, unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it. It was a big thing. It was coming up. One of the major deceptions of the last days. Good evening, man. This is going to be a great show tonight. I just want to remind you, hit that like button because it really does help us. We have 45 likes right now and we could get to 80. There's 76 people currently watching. And tell me where you're from in the chat right now.
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24:13 three things he said the u.s government has a ufo in our possession already that's amazing that he admitted that then he says we have an exploitation program to reverse engineer it and then third we breached the whole of that crap so all of this was outlined in like a simple statement so we had him straight admitted it because he could because it was the legal process he went through to be able to admit that so like david grush he had to get special permission uh from the government about what he could and could not say that's why he wasn't really elaborating much but he was sticking just to those basic points right so this is a yes this is publicly admitted from a direct first-hand witness who ran the ufo program for our government the one you learned about in 2017 and he made this admission on the record to me and george knapp and you can hear it for yourself really it's almost mind-boggling right now we have arrow out there trying to research all of these cases when all along the way our government has in their possession at least one we know it's more than that but at least one ufo and they've been trying to to reverse engineer it and they were able to penetrate into the center of it i mean that is it's extraordinary the way it's being like the flintstones to the jetsons people are like you know back in the dinosaur days trying to whitewash this to the american public if this is true if what this rocket scientist who worked on the ufo program says is true then everybody's got to keep the pace and move up yeah i think it's a lot to process though jeremy i mean you you interview people every day this is sort of your specialty for guys like me mostly on the outside you know it's a lot to take in he says there's a lot to take in so i'm gonna pause it right there just for a second and then we'll get back to you for a second because that that's that's the interview that he had on here he said a lot more but we're gonna go into it because i thought you know what what is going on here i mean we know this is going to become a bigger and bigger deal and i can already hear joe jordan saying in my in my in my uh in my i don't know what you want to call it in my ear if he was here he'd say they haven't showed anything to us yet it's not not physical yet but um there's going to be a time when we are going to experience some some strange physical stuff and so what is leading up to this i decided to go to his podcast his podcast is called weaponize it has its own website and i wanted to see exactly what in the world he was um he was looking at here now before we comment on what he just said there i mean let me do a little recap on what he said news nation who is the the news organizations that's talking about this said that um a first hand witness has come forward this is who this is this is a doctor james t lekatsky lekatsky and uh he is a former government agency uh director of this uh of many different programs but this one specifically that was before lou alessandro lou alessandro i think ran atip and before and this guy he ran osap which i believe was the precursor to atip and now we have arrow i think is is the new one now i could be wrong on this someone correct me in the chat if i'm if i am but lou alessandro uh said that his former predecessor who he didn't actually mention by name but now apparently it's come out that it's this guy uh is or james t lekatsky he is has had his career ruined by christians in the pentagon this is what is historically been said uh because they'd said they didn't want him talking about how it has demonic influence and we're going to see exactly what lekatsky is saying about this in a moment but um side note lekatsky is also a writer of skinwalkers at the pentagon and several other books and this is the new book that's come out so uh before uh what do you guys think about that and then i'll tell you exactly about this weaponized podcast something interesting i found about it matthew on top let's try you first so the guy's name is lekatsky that's who lou alessandro has talked about in the past i guess so that's great i've wanted to know the identity of that man and i'm not sure if i'm going to be able to do that but i'm going to be able to do that but i'm not sure if i'm going to be able to do that but i'm going to because it's just a story he's told again and again in many different settings and it obviously had a very big impact on him so i'm excited that you have some material from him for us to look over but uh he had a his book skinwalkers at the pentagon is this like a non-fiction kind of account or is it because sometimes people write these really weird fiction stories i mean we see it with tong for example teaming up and writing secret machines where
29:05 there's truth involved in the fiction so i was just thinking with a title like that uh is this kind of one of those cases or i don't know this is it's cool to know that this there's a name to the story and now we can dig into the person behind it's meant because just knowing that there were people involved in the said no this is something demonic and we need to stay away from it it's like okay yeah this seems like a pretty level-headed guy so i'd like to know as much as i know about him so i don't think this is the guy who says they are demonic this is the guy that pre was a precursor to lou alessandro that had his career ruined by those people saying get this guy out of here we don't want him him doing this right now we don't want him continuing it so it was kind of his his former the guy that lou took the place of in other words okay yeah so i had a little mix up oh never mind then i guess we get to hear more of uh some people who are totally in doctrine is christian's perspective tonight i in fact i know there's a lot of military that watch this program if they're if i'm going to talk directly to the audience for a second if you guys know who that person is that was the uh the one who i guess lakatsky and alessandro answered to i would like to know that because we we would like to get uh as many people on that side of things to discuss this and especially someone who actually knows about it and i'd love to pester their dot pentagon dot mill email address so but uh anyway i'm sure if i'm sure someone out there knows what's going on but um that's interesting what about you matthew on the bottom yeah well i've known a lot of people in the past that have been into the whole skinwalker thing and i think it's very interesting he picks that one in particular because well i don't want to get too much into the lore of the whole skinwalker thing but it has a lot to do with one it's overtly demonic but two it's far closer to the people themselves hold ideologies that happen to line up with it because they like the idea of this fantasizing undercover and destroying kind of monster being and so they could look at it if he's using that as the title i could look at it as he sees this as a malevolent force but a malevolent force that's essentially for his good so that's that's interesting and then the u.s government having a craft i would absolutely believe they could have a craft i mean we know all the way back to the 1930s from what they've said that there was even you know a craft in mussolini's era in italy but i don't know that i mean i heard somebody i don't know if it was on this podcast mentioning that it could just be kind of like you know an invisible person holding it up and it looks like it's powered and it's just sort of a stock puppet vehicle i think that's it because you notice they always talk about a craft but they don't talk about weaponry or engine systems derived from a craft it's mainly just they have a craft they've seen them here they are observed there's never really a a demystifying of how it works which is why you look at that one guy that's talking i forget his name but he's basically saying um you know it'd be very boring if it was just a tactical explanation because it doesn't seem like it and i think that's kind of how i'd line up those squares yeah and in last episode we actually talked about that because we said um we found a clip of the guy saying you know if this is uh you know if this is a you know if this is a you know if this is a if this is more than mechanical if there's something more spiritual about this it would make sense because sometimes we can get them to work sometimes we can't you know it's there has to be something else happening here other than than the mechanical systems that we've been trying to figure out so that's interesting but i want to dig for just a moment i'm going to sidetrack into before we get into uh lakatsky because we are going to get into that tonight i want to look at this weaponized podcast because as i went there i i trying to find this episode because the news was you know ranting and raving about it i said okay let's let's get to the source let's figure out what's happening here what is on this website i want you to look and and see what i saw uh check this out real quick and it's not going to have any audio because this is a screenshot of of what i'm doing here so i'm going to go to the podcast real quick right this is the weaponized podcast but look at the top left i want you to look at this up here what is this do you see that icon up there that's his personal website icon so i'm gonna like uh i know that's called a favicon because i used to do a lot of web stuff so i'm gonna say i want to see this bigger what does this favicon look like this is he personally put this up there and it's called the eye png that's what i'm going to point out right now yeah and so that is uh yeah it's over on the left if you want
33:57 you can actually see it it's like the tab is named the eye there yeah yeah there you go i have providence and so i i thought it was fascinating that he he decided i'm gonna i'm gonna track backtrack there just a second before i go into the wikipedia article why would and every every every website can have their own icon it's called a favicon you just put the little uh ito file inside your root directory that's what they call it and it appears when people go to your site his site has nothing to do with the all-seeing eye it has to do with ufos but it does are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with the all-seeing eye because i think it certainly does and the funny thing about that so it says the eye that means yeah no problem that means that when uh this was saved and then uploaded someone saved it as the eye in all caps right not just like random like yeah there's some type of reverence i think with the name of that image but yeah i totally jeremy corbell you know what i'll do a little more digging and i bet i can find some weird things to do with the all-seeing eye because i picture of him in freemason regalia or standing next to some prominent freemasons i bet and then maybe you already have it hey if you're in the chat say it in the chat and point me in the right direction but i'll do a little digging on that but there it is this is wikipedia so if it's on wikipedia you know it's like the manila uh basic content you can get out of it and it is everybody knows that the yeah the eye confidence is a sonic symbol oh yeah i'm sure yeah right okay what am i gonna say oh yeah it's a triangle so that's a explicit symbol of the holy trinity oh yeah i remember that in my bible i remember don't don't you all remember when jesus said and i would like for you to uh to show your allegiance to me by making a triangle with an eye in it yeah it's supposed to be a reference to sun worship yeah not at all nope definitely doesn't condemn in multiple parts in the bible sun worshiping and everything and they had their backs to the temple yeah nope nope none of that happened so i mean this is this is basic basic occult stuff i mean we're going over i mean this is what you see first is you know you see the the the interesting connections between the uh the what do they call it the eye of providence and the uh ioboris and all this other stuff and i won't i will glaze over this just for a second but i thought that was interesting that when you go of the all-seeing eye as his personal icon for the site just just that's just weird to me so um i thought i'd point that out before we break into his podcast a little bit and kind of dig into it but obviously something going on here so um let's dig into this this is the original podcast uh and let's let's get a quick overview of what he's going to talk to a lakaski about what he's actually saying here we go but we have a great episode with dr james lakaski dr colin kelleher uh talking about the ufo programs and their new book which is inside the u.s government covert ufo program initial revelations so jumping on in with all you all here we go dr lakaski first of all in december 2017 the world learned that there was a ufo study program and that it was funded for 22 million dollars they heard that that program was called but what you've told us is that no you ran the program the dia for studying ufos and it was called awesome advanced aerospace weapon system applications program so you're talking now about a government study a ufo program studying all the physics and the nature of ufos up to date and so you're kind of coming forward with these books with dr kelleher and george knapp and you're laying it out for people this is what we did this is how we did it we don't want it to get messed up you know we want to tell you what happened it's a big deal it's a big deal that you're speaking to us right now as uh you know someone from the dia who studied ufos so i guess the question for me you know for me very simple audience kind of might want to know is that when that came out in december 2017 and you didn't see you know your program named there i mean what is that what does that feel like are you doing this because you want to clarify the record to the public exactly and we we stated that clearly in in skinwalkers at the pentagon we want to clarify
38:45 the record now we're giving the details of the record basically was reviewed by the department of defense for released and approved the wording that's in it the wording if we varied that wording we'd get back this was a seven month review this was quick dod on skinwalkers at the pentagon took 14 months to review that book um and uh there was uh i agreed with all of the of the changes on both of these books i agreed with except for one i made the fatal mistake of complimenting the help from a non-dod uh organization and it was whoa we can't do that we've got to align that out and so the book was reviewed by the department of defense so that's that was the only thing that was a straight line out dod helped us reward things by their security regulations and so you're getting as much as we can say jeremy okay so hold on hold on hold on so i just for our audience that's listening george has dropped an adam bomb because it was dropped in the book so audience is just listening i'm going to read you something beginning of chapter nine at the conclusion of a 2011 meeting in the capitol building with a u.s senator and an agency undersecretary lekatsky the only one of the book's authors present posed a question but this is where it gets good he stated meaning you dr lekatsky that the united states was in possession of a craft of unknown origin and had successfully gained access to its interior this craft had a streamlined configuration suitable for aerodynamic flight but no intakes exhaust wings or control surfaces in fact it appeared not to have an engine fuel tanks or fuel now there's a next part which i'll read in a minute but what this is is you're officially allowed to tell us that the united states government has in its possession a craft of unknown origin and you were able to access the inside is that correct the wording that you read is correct ah you're going beyond the wording no i'm not i'm not going beyond the wording i'm not going beyond the wording i'm asking you did that meaning happen and is it true and it's true okay you're you're telling us you told us because you were allowed to tell us that our government has a ufo in its possession and has been able to access the inside of it right yes let's pause it right there there's so much in this we need to talk about okay so quick recap he says that this this what really caught my eye was when they said well this has been taken into account and it's a nitpicking but we don't need that this has been quickly reviewed by the government it took twice as long to review his first book he said but this one they really want to get out and they want to the wording to be absolutely correct so i can't go beyond what they've told me to say and what i've written and what they said i could say i guess is the correct terminology i can use there but so this was approved by the government the government says we have a uap and they are uh they've opened the interior that's what we know so far we're gonna uh dig into that deeper do you have any any comments on this uh matthew i'm gonna start with matthew at the bottom first and go to matthew at the top well um i think it's very interesting the wording he used about the craft and i also think it's very interesting how quickly the government approved it you know they he's kind of describing it a little bit as you know the government has to go through the security checks but maybe maybe it's not incorrect to use the word that the government is kind of enthusiastic and is almost wanting it to get out and that it's not quite just a oh here's the process you want to say this file done it's not like every other file i want to talk about the apache attack helicopter and you've got to go hey i want to talk about the hellfire missile can you check me through this this weapon system okay good you didn't talk about too much i don't know i feel like the government wouldn't release it that quickly they'd send you through the whole process especially if you got removed from your department in disgrace as this guy is that's good why are you doing too many trades why are you doing him any favors unless you care about the message he's saying in which case this is not just the minor thing so that's my thought on it let's see what matthew above me says all of this uh controlled disclosure stuff it all plays out the same oh there's so much i want to tell you but they won't let me tell you all of it okay you're just working with them and you're the like the figurehead and that is yeah the mouthpiece just releasing this information
43:31 at a trickle and the fact that the approval process was done so quickly i think it's just a sign of the times because i mean i'm sure we all notice how crazy everything is getting in every avenue that you name it i mean things are just ratcheting up more and more and i think we also saw recently i don't know if you have anything in the program about it tonight but the um the skiffs were approved the secret compartments yeah are we we're going to talk about that a little bit i meant to put that in there i actually had that queued but i forgot about that yeah absolutely uh senator um uh tennessee senator forget his name birchett he said that they're um they've approved yeah tim birchett they've approved the skiffs and he says well i don't know if we're going to find anything out they'll tell us what they want to tell us but but at least we can sit in there with i guess with um uh what's his name the the dude that's uh david grush so maybe they will find something out we'll see yeah maybe they will i i think that if there was a time to introduce this information it's going to be the very near future because the whole idea behind this is that people need to be put under pressure and they have to be looking for a savior they have to be looking to put their faith in something that isn't god so the ufo stuff being rolled out and aliens being revealed to be real especially because there's been this slow trickle it's kind of like well we were hinting to it we trying to say here it is but you know everything is just going so crazy we just gotta go boom they're there and if we all want to make contact with them we can and then maybe the world comes together and says we want contact and then you see the motherships you know it's nothing would surprise me at this point because i just see everywhere i look there's just a distinct tension uh all over the place and really the only people that seem to have any peace right now are those that i know have a good personal relationship with god and they're putting their jesus they just seem totally calm and okay but everyone else is either just like sleepwalking right now because it's like i hear all of the loud noises and i don't want to think about it or they're hyper fixated on it and people are essentially saying like you got to go out now you got to buy out the stores you got to buy out the ammunition do everything in your power because the world is going to collapse so yeah i think that the fact that they're expediting the process it just goes to show that they need to because i think that the time is running short time is running so short yeah and and not only um not only do christians realize that but also secular we have they have the the great clock that has only a few minutes till midnight i think that's fascinating that everyone knows there's something there's we're on the cusp of something and uh christian particularly this program right here knows exactly what's going on and i think that's a really good point and i think that's happening so i i'd uh stay tuned in the i'm not sure if i want to go to this next clip this is going to talk a little bit about uh we're going to sidetrack for a second and talk a little bit about the budget and how how this thing came to be and and bigelow's involvement i think i might just put that on patreon for those that are really interested but um there is i think what we'll do is go straight into whether or not he considers these things a threat i want to see what mr what's he thinks about this the predecessor to lou elizondo as a member of the pentagon let's find out so my question is to you do you believe ufos represent a national security threat there's so many qualifiers to this question and to the answer it's almost like we're getting into an endless um uh well i i can i can step in here um because that question has been posed to me multiple times and you know threat has two components one is capability and the second is intent and we had we the osap program generated gobs of data on ufo capability we generated almost nothing on ufo intent and unless you have both and i was lectured pretty strongly by one of the one of the consultants to osap you cannot make the case that um without without data on intent you cannot make the case that these uh objects are a threat to national security what you can say is that they are a threat to human
48:16 health and we made that statement in at the end of the osà p program we we generated a fairly large of all of the data that pointed in that direction including medical injury cases including a lot of pathological cases and physiological cases and yes we did say that ufos are a threat to human health are they a threat to national security we do not know we did not assimilate accumulate any data regarding ufo intent okay pause it right there for a second um that and we are going to get into the the brazilian thing here in the next clip so i want to remind everyone hit that like button hit that subscribe button if you aren't already subscribed and give us a comment in the chat and tell us what you think about or how we can improve the podcast that would be fantastic now i i heard you laughing matthew uh number one i'm gonna call you matthew one and two what'd you think i was well i'll be honest my laughter was less about the content and more of the situation because the guy said it's like we're getting into a never-ending uh uh i thought he was just gonna keep going over and over like i that just really it hit me because i was i was listening intently and then him saying that just the way the clip kicked off was funny uh yeah the the whole idea that they're having a a physical uh issue when you're in contact with them yeah i imagine you can have a physical issue it's kind of like on the last broadcast we had mentioned how there was the guy who tried to assassinate the queen and we said you know clearly this guy he admitted i was in this a psychotic episode and you know i wasn't in my right mind and we talked about how uh legion before jesus cast the devils out of him wasn't in his right mind so if it can affect you on a mental level just having demons around i don't know direct manifestation the way that they appear uh whenever they're either moving the crafts around as we've discussed or just taking on the appearance of something resembling a craft or something that could be mistaken as a craft then it would be dangerous to be around them because they're not uh they're not benevolent in any sense they do they hate humanity and they hate god and they want to hurt and i think that there there has to be something that's going to happen something in them where it's uh they don't have that holiness they can't even maybe uh restrain themselves the way that a holy angel could because we do see even like for example just take the example of lot you know lot was visited by two angels and he was perfectly fine they didn't do anything to him being around them didn't irradiate him or you know give him some weird cancer it was just they were there in his presence and it's fine and even for the people who are trying to do him harm until they unleashed like a measure of their power to blind them there wasn't anything bad happening but i i wonder if because they've been away from god and they are doing something unnatural by using their powers against god if it just has that type of a side effect where it's unbridled now it's not really something they can control and maybe they just don't care and they don't want to control it because it's like at the end of the day i want to see you dead anyway so it doesn't really matter you but yeah what about you math number two so to me the thing i latch on to is the fact that he said that because we can't discern their intent we shouldn't we shouldn't assume that they are a national security risk that to me blazed that they know a lot about the intent of these beings since when has any country ever said oh look here's a technology i don't have that i can't even comprehend that can do things i can't even imagine and it's not a threat because i can't verify that it is a threat that is incomprehensible i agree that is just he could not be lying more if he tried you know it's just simple basic logic we thought the germans were even thinking about developing nuclear weapons and we went all the way up to norway and we're sending special ops teams to blow up heavy water facilities we certainly are not going oh look aliens on spacecraft that can do 9 000 miles per hour and go from 0 to 3 000 miles per hour definitely we are not looking at that and going oh my god we can't verify that it's a threat that is incomprehensible Well, I don't know their intent.
52:49 It's not that bad. No, no, we know their intent. We absolutely know their intent. The other thing is if we don't know their intent and if it's still a bit shaky, I just go back to 1 Corinthians 1, 2. Sorry, 1 Corinthians 2, verse 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolish to some of him. Neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. And if you don't understand the nuances and the depths, it can look as, on one hand, malevolent and, on the other hand, not. And you can't tell that gauge because you're not looking at it spiritually. So we need to keep that in mind. That's my thoughts. No, absolutely. I was going to bring that up next. You took the words out of my mouth. I think it's interesting that we, I mean, we went over to Iraq or Iran, I forget, over there in the Middle East somewhere to get rid of weapons of mass destruction. And there weren't any. I mean, do we have the capability? Do they have the capability and intelligence?
53:41 Well, we don't know what they're thinking. So we're not going to even pursue them or consider that they're bad. Okay. Ridiculous. Exactly. I would not shoot first and ask questions later, obviously. But at the same time, you can't assume they don't have ill intent just because they are there. I'd say they're trying to get our attention. And that's exactly what they're doing. Just think about it this way. If you don't have this. If you don't have this and you see a threat like that, what is your reaction going to be? It's going to be basically to shoot because you don't have a trust in a God that can save you. You have your weapons. And if this thing displays weapons and technology you can't even comprehend, you're basically going to use violence. That is the weapon of the state. They don't have a God. That is their God. So. I think it's very probable at this point, too, that there have been meetings, high-level meetings.
54:40 Between, well, they call them non-human intelligences, but we know them as fallen angels, and the leaders of the world or high-ranking members of the military, and that there essentially have been accords brought back and forth. We've seen a lot of this idea that when we started experimenting with nuclear power, they had to make contact because they were worried that we'd destroy ourselves. And maybe something like that did happen. I've talked in a very past broadcast, not very recently, I brought this up. And I think it's very possible that the atomic bombings, the amount of people who were killed instantaneously, I mean, it's, you think about satanic rituals, they require a blood sacrifice, they want human sacrifice, and that amount of people just dying all at once, innocent people, too. I mean, they were civilians. It's not like they were dropping it on a military base. They were dropping it on major population centers. And I think that has an effect somehow mechanically in ways that we don't know yet. I believe we will know the full picture one day.
55:42 And I think that's going to be part of our growth is God is going to allow us to look back through the books and to say, whoa, okay, this is how that worked. And this is why they did that. And my, you know, this is just a theory of mine. I can't necessarily prove it out of the Bible, but just me reasoning it out, that that death toll, that amount of human suffering done one after another, it had to have some type of a spiritual repercussion. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And maybe, just maybe, it opened the door for a manifestation coming to the White House or coming to whatever you want to say, Parliament in London, any of the major powers of the world. I mean, I imagine at this point they've all had a visit. And they're a lot more clued in than they let on. Yeah. That's Revelation 16, 13. I mean, it comes to leadership and to the whole world in that order. And the Bible, I think, is a book of very preciseness. So we'll see just what happens.
56:41 But before we do, we're going to look at this Brazil UAP thing. He's going to go right into that and talk about that. I was amazed that a government official is talking about this, number one. And then on this next clip after that, we're going to talk about what he believes about the demonic influence. So stick around. But let's get into this one first. Here we go. I'm going to pull George here. George, so read in their book, you know, over the last few days, they talk a lot in the book, you guys talk a lot about Calaris in Brazil and how for decades that human beings were being physically harmed to the point of death. So from UFOs and that their military studied it. Is this like a case? And that also OSAP, you're going to reveal in a future book, did actually do an in-depth investigation about Calaris. So my question is, OK, maybe not national security, but in this case, the UFOs were fucking people up.
57:35 They were hurting them to the point. Right. Sometimes. To death. So are you telling me with your book and all this information that UFOs do pose a physical threat a lot of times to people like in Brazil? Yes, absolutely. And that's one of the reasons that we were trying to complete the database in regard to Brazil. And it's simply that that if that was occurring here in the U.S., let me tell you, every day, you'd see a front page article that did not occur. But, you know, there's there's I don't want to go into something I'm unfamiliar with. It is an OSAP in nature, but there's there's current problems now in in in South America. Yeah. Anybody that reads your guy's book, just so our audience knows, basically, there's a bunch of dedication of pages into these bizarre events in Brazil that were studied by the Brazilian military where these UFOs.
58:36 UFOs. Decades were harming, murdering, burning, messing up human beings. This is not just like, oh, these great space brothers. This is something that was really devastating to these communities and left them in terror. So I suggest people check that out. I would agree with you, Jeremy. And I think even beyond the Brazilian cases, I think we accumulated enough cases within the United States to say that, you know, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time in terms of proximity to UFOs, in terms of proximity to blue orbs, that you can come off the worst. You'll have a lot of symptoms that mimic radiation sickness, for example, you know, metallic taste in the mouth, sunburn, your hair starts falling out. We documented these cases. And if you add that to the events in Calaris, you can make the statement that you are in the wrong place.
59:37 UFOs are really bad for your health. Oh, but we don't know their intent. I'm sure they're nice. We just don't know their intent. They've been doing all these terrible things to Brazilians. Apparently that's true now, according to the government. But we just don't know their intent. I want to thank Chris. Chris, thank you for the super chat there. He says in his next comment, for he's not God of the dead, but of the living. For all live unto him. 2038. Thank you for your super chat, Chris. That's how this, this program runs and we appreciate it. And if you want to dig into this further, because we're going to get right down into how, what they think about the demonic aspect of this in just a moment. But we do this all week on Patreon, on Patreon and specifically in the private discord.
1:00:25 So join our Patreon, patreon.com slash strange normal. We'll get you right into there. We're all, and you can be on the program like Matthew and Matthew, both Matthews that are beside me here. Um, or just, uh, you can be a part of this system. So you know what's going on and, and help promote and get the message out there as far as possible. So we can do this more. So what do you guys think about that? We have, um, we have the U S former U S government on there saying, oh yeah, we've had these things happen in, in, in Brazil. And right now, South America is having trouble. I think we covered that on this program a little bit earlier and now, uh, that they are having radiation sickness. Uh, but they're, but they're benevolent. We don't know their intent. What do you think? Top Matthew?
1:01:16 I mean, I'd be more surprised if I was just starting to look into this stuff, but it, yeah, it just seems more and more that there's this whole history that is very well known to people in this community and they understand all the data points and they put them together. And there's a narrative, there is a coherent timeline that the public is just completely unaware of. And they're running off of this timeline. It has to be one of the most important, if not the most important thing happening behind closed doors, because it's, it's the manifestation, right? I, and we've talked about even before from the spiritual side of things, how the military people, but the cultists who are eagerly awaiting the manifestation of these beings, and they've been promised through the channel they've done.
1:02:06 So I think. What you're seeing is just whenever the military people talk about it, it's the secular side of things, but it's all adding up and it's all moving towards the same thing, which is going to be a mass contact and a mass revealing of these things. But it doesn't surprise me really that, uh, military guys are coming out and being more and more bold about this, especially now that the stigma is going away. Absolutely. Matthew blue shirt, Matthew. Okay. All right. I like blue shirt. But, okay. So my, my thought on the matter would be, um, hold on. I just, I, I just lost my train of thought here. Um, but basically, oh, that's annoying. So I'll come back. Matthew talked for seconds. Yeah. I do. I do want to clear, clear it up because so there is in South America, there's a couple of different things happening. And I believe the Brazil event that they're referring to specifically, cause I mentioned the city of Caloris.
1:03:07 That would be, uh, in the late seventies and we have talked about that in Brazil more recently, there was, uh, some Brazilian people who were claimed to be attacked by, uh, what seemed to be extraterrestrials. I described them like predators, uh, from, from the movie predator. It looked like big armored aliens trying to abduct people. And I don't think, I don't think there's been a, uh, a conclusive, uh, thing on that. It was just kind of a weird, you know, thing. It was just kind of a weird, you know, thing. And I think that's, that's a good thing. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. But that, uh, that operation that took place in the late seventies in Brazil, that, uh, there's a lot more surrounding that. I mean, there, there are full-blown documentaries about it and it does seem to be something very significant. And yeah, the U S air force was directly involved in it.
1:03:58 And it seems that, uh, I've looked into different cases and the U S military seems to pop up every time. It doesn't matter if, uh, it's on. They're turf or if it's not, they just immediately are there and they're on the scene and they're investigating. And that makes me wonder, okay, are they in such direct contact that they say, Hey, there's going to be an event in this area. And, uh, you need to be there to pick up on any technology that we're going to be giving you or any, any data that you can harvest because specifically the U S military has been very involved in it. And it's funny because. Uh, the, the first ones who are involved in it is actually the Vatican, uh, through the fascist Italy in, in the late thirties. But then after world war II, they handed the information off, said here, I think that you would really like to see this. And then all of a sudden it's just been the U S the U S the U S, uh, all behind. Isn't it interesting? I was going to say, isn't it interesting, isn't it interesting that some of the most outwardly religious governments, the Catholic church.
1:05:07 The United States. I mean, can you think of a government on the national stage that is less atheistic, even in its government to this day than the U S it's very theistic compared to say Russia or China, where you'll never hear God or even anything resembling God on a pulpit there. But, but this is the government is the one that has the UFO influence. So is the Roman Catholic church. I think there's an interesting connection there. And another observation that I kind of have noticed is South America, Brazil. Uh, Peru, these are all places where you have people that either they're doing a native religion. That's dynastic that has CE five protocols involved in it, or they're doing Catholicism, which as we know, incorporates a lot of elements of CE five. You have people that are inviting and have these forces in their lives already. And this is where the forces are manifesting.
1:05:59 You notice there's not so much of this happening. Let's say openly in maybe an atheistic village or some. Some kind of place where people are very irreligious, it's highly religious places where you have this happening and specifically religious in the sense of religions that kind of share elements of the CE five protocol. So I think there's a connection there. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's interesting. I never put that together, but yeah, that makes sense because if we have all of a sudden people calling out to these things and saying, Hey, uh, up there, you guys that are watching save us, that's idolatry. And that's also, uh, it's, it's what. God disagrees with. So anytime you can get your created beings or God's created beings to go against God. Well, they're on their Satan's territory. So I think that's, that's a good, interesting point you got there. So I, I thought it'd be interesting to see what they say about demonic influence in this.
1:06:55 And, uh, they have a little bit to say about it. And when we're going to, after that, we're going to talk a little bit about, um, this, this idea, because there is a podcast that directly goes over that. Uh, from a certain viewpoint, and we're going to get into that, but you're going to want to stick around for that. So let's, let's jump into that viewpoint and just, just right now. You can also go off on the side a little bit is say, are we in the realm? Because I've been, I've talked to multiple people about this. Are we in the realm of what we would consider demonic influence? Have we crossed into that? That's a cultural variable to opposite. Are we operating at the same level? We we've got to consider all this. That's why I think this is such a wonderful topic because you've got all these things you still have to consider.
1:07:49 And that, you know, it's now I'm going to be long gone and column probably will be long gone and you'll be long gone and they'll still be exploring all this and not have all the answers, but that's, that's the manipulation from my point of view of, Hey. Get interested in this. It's real. And don't just jokingly, you know, like the term dino beavers, you know, uh, uh, uh, that, uh, Juliet and, and column saw a dino beaver. No one said any, that's just created to make a joke about, about, uh, our efforts. But this is a real phenomenon accepted as such. And you'll see that that's, was part of what DIA did. Collect data, collect data, collect that the Intel communities are great at doing that, but that's an answer to your question.
1:08:43 And there's so many aspects, uh, of cultural manipulation, and I think it's positive manipulation, uh, using an eye again, an old expression, the train has left the station. No, it hasn't. These books are proof of that. No, people can still get on the train, but those who laugh and joke. Don't bother getting on the train because you know, you just, you're not learning anything from the experience. So I, I think there's a lot of different, interesting talking points from that. The first thing, when he said the train hasn't left the station, I think it's fascinating that, um, the first thing that comes to my mind. So I'm, I'm a Seventh-day Adventist and I follow some of the writings of Ellen White. One of the visions she says was there that she had this vision of a train going down the track.
1:09:34 And it. Yeah. And she said, well, the train is on the track and the conductor was Satan and, you know, all, everyone was trying to get everyone off, off that train. Well, then you say, Hey, look, the train's on the track. Everyone can follow this. It get interested in it. They're, they're benevolent. They're there's harming everybody. Oh, come on. What's going on here. So it's what is happening. Oh, and by the way, uh, all of this material, we're trying to be better about this is all in the show notes. So you got all the podcasts are directly linked. You got the books that were referenced or directly linked. Not that we want people to. To go out and actually, you know, review these, uh, type of books. But if that is something that, uh, is you want to look at the back of it and understand exactly what we're talking about here, you can look at that in the show notes. And those are in there right now. Um, but this is what they said in here. They said, we need to consider that it's real.
1:10:25 Uh, so get interested in it and it's positive manipulation. This demonic influence is. Positive manipulation. Come on guys. It's like an oxymoron. This positive manipulation. I think I, for one thing, this is positive manipulation. Imagine actually hearing someone say that and then not just, ah, it's so, it's so dishonest. It's so dishonest on the head. I mean, if he thinks that is positive manipulation, what's negative manipulation. Is there negative manipulation? Is it all just good? Sorry. Manipulation. It just isn't in the character of God. That's not something you ever see. Uh, whenever you read the Bible and these encounters with God, Jesus didn't manipulate anybody.
1:11:20 It was all just her reasoning. And through allowing them, I mean, he said, who do you say I am? Just ask the question. You know, he's not like, uh, threatening or, you know, kind of using guile or anything. It says specific. There was no guile in him, uh, to, to get anyone. It was just, he had, yeah, exactly. It was just, he, he is, God said to Moses, this is the most awesome thing. I am that I am like, none of us can really say that because we all have these, this weird baggage. We all have this. Sometimes we put up fronts or we, we do things and we're not true to what we should be. But God is ultimately just so true to himself that it's like, yeah, I can't. I can't lie. I'm not going to manipulate you because that doesn't serve any interests of mine.
1:12:09 And I'm just going to lay out my case before you and allow you to make a decision with your, with the will that I created you to have too. That's very important. You know, if, if he wanted to, we could just be a total automatons, but that's not his intention for us. And yeah, the people, Satan is going to employ that tactic because he knows he's not up to snuff. He knows he can't just say, Hey. Here I am. I'm the fallen, uh, angel of heaven. And I rebelled against God and, you know, let's all go be evil together. Yeah. Let's go fight that God. What do you say? Yeah. He died for you, but, uh, who cares? Come on. It's just, yeah. Satan is like the, the more you see these people are bought into the system, the sadder it becomes because it's just like, yeah, it's obvious to me.
1:13:00 Do you really want to be involved with something that you know? Being manipulated into positively or negatively, I would not want to be manipulated. Never. So I thought it was interesting since the government, I mean, this is the former government. This is what your government, if you are watching in the United States, uh, believes about this, this is the former, former employees that are no now longer retired, I guess. But, um, since the government is admitting that this is demonic, let's look into this a little further. I thought it'd be good to bring up a podcast. Uh, from this lady right here. Watch this. You can also go off on the side a little bit is say, she is a professor of religious history at the university of North Carolina, Wilmington. Her research focuses on religion technology, but it also re is research about purgatory specifically that led her to the UFO culture, a journey she documented in her book, American cosmic today.
1:14:00 She's going to help us understand the connection between tech. Religion and little gray men, Catholic ufologist, academic philosopher, investigator of secrets, Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka. Thanks for coming on the show. Okay. So before we get into actually what she says about this, I thought it'd be good to introduce her. She's a Catholic, um, and Matthew, your former Catholic. So I thought this would be interesting because you're just going to talk about purgatory and I learned some things through watching this. So, um, I thought it'd be interesting to hear your commentary, Matthew in the black. Um, about this as well as Matthew in the blue at the bottom here. But, um, from what I understand, Matthew, you, how long has it been since, uh, you've studied Catholicism? This is I practice Catholicism or studied it because I still, I still make a study, but I study it in a very different way.
1:14:53 But, uh, no, I, I haven't practiced Catholicism for, uh, over two years and it was, yeah, I mean, I was rocked. Pretty. Heavily out of it. But when I was involved with it, I was pretty deeply involved with it. I, you know, was very ritualistic and would go to mass several times a week. I would meet with the priests. I would do adoration, anything that I could just to further my involvement with the church. Not even necessarily to, uh, to like get in good or have that because there is obviously it's a workspace religion Catholicism, but it was more like, I just want to do more. I just want to be deeper in this community. And embed myself and, you know, ultimately serve God. And I think that that type of, um, you know, that type of mentality is ultimately what drew me to God, because when I saw that it was opposed to him, I wasn't too afraid to say, well, no, I want to stick with this because this is what I know.
1:15:51 And I'm not, I'm going to deny the truth that I'm receiving. I had to accept it and say, okay, God, if this is what you want me to do, then I'll do it because, you know, it's a high calling that, that comes with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God asks for us. Like we, we have to forsake the world. And that was definitely one of the worldly attachments I had that I had to get rid of, but I am, I'm excited to hear what, uh, what she has to say and the perspective there, especially if we're going to talk about purgatory, because I, I always thought purgatory was an interesting concept, even as a Catholic, because I would say, you know, I'm not really concerned about purgatory or my time in purgatory. I believed in it and I thought, well, yeah, it's, um, it's going to be. It's going to be my like pit stop on the way to heaven. But ultimately, if God wants me in heaven, he can just make me be in heaven. You know, like, I don't know. I always, I had like these weird justifications around it.
1:16:45 Uh, and that was one of mine, but I would like to see what she has to say. Yeah, absolutely. Matthew in the blue. Do you have any comments before we jump into what she says? Well, I just think it's interesting because purgatory, it has a lot of connections with ancient Greek mythology. And ancient Greek mythology also has a lot of connections with the UFO phenomenon through a lot of these different gods. And so I am pretty curious. I'm pretty curious. I kind of want to get straight in to see what she's going to have to say. Okay, here we go. It did. So how did purgatory, studying purgatory lead you to UFO culture? Sure. That's a great question. Um, people want to know, wait, you study religion and you study the UFO belief system. And they don't understand.
1:17:35 And yeah, the connections are completely weird and I get it totally. Few things happen. First, I had finished this book on purgatory, which is a Catholic doctrine of, um, people who it basically it's, it's a huge Catholic doctrine that people don't actually practice anymore. So if you talk to Catholics, like over 60, they'll remember purgatory and praying for souls and purgatory. But if you, anyone younger than that, they're not going to remember this because it, the, the doctrine, while still. The dogma of the church and a doctrine of the church, it kind of went away in the 1960s with this thing called Vatican two, um, which was a council of Jewish Catholic bishops. So this is the idea of purgatory. So you have a soul, right? And you're not, that soul is not good enough to get to heaven. So it goes to this place and this place is called purgatory and it stays there until it's perfected and purged of sins.
1:18:32 And then. It can go to heaven. Um, so this was a huge doctrine all throughout Europe. If you go to Catholic cathedrals, you'll see there were places for people to pray, just to help souls in purgatory. They pray to God and say, help my, you know, my me ma or something, you know, you know, she had some issues. She wasn't sure about those calculators, you know, she needed help. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, all right. So I, I had to go deep into the tradition. So I would go to archives. I'm, um, you know, trained in archival research. Archives are really old libraries, basically with old books in them and things like that. And so I did this research for a long time. And when I was going through these records, I come across aerial phenomenon and little beams and things like that.
1:19:25 And I was, you know, I thought they were so strange. I thought these are strange reports from Catholics in 1400 and 1500 and 1800. And so I kept a log of all of these. I said, well, okay, I'm going to log this because it was a pattern that I noticed that kept repeating. And these were either interpreted as, well, these have to be souls from purgatory and they they're lost and we have to pray them back into, you know, purgatory because they don't know what they're doing kind of thing. Or we don't know what these things are, you know, but they might be demons kind of thing. So, you know, there's all these kind or they might be angels. So there's the, there was this interpretation that, uh, the people of the day would give. Those aerial phenomena. And, um, okay. So I had this big log of things. I, I really didn't know what to make them. And I included maybe one or two of my book on purgatory and I, you know, it was in press, it was going to be published and it was onto the next thing. Cause that's what professors do, right?
1:20:21 They have to go onto the next book and research. And so before I did that, I gave this log to a friend of mine and I said, what do you think of all this stuff? And he looked it over, we were having coffee. And he took some time looking through it. He looked really serious. And then he said, he's looked like UFOs. And, and I was like, what I go leave my office, like you are crazy. And, um, it just so happened that he said, no, it looks like Steven Spielberg stuff. Like, you know, if you looked at a Steven Spielberg movie, you'd see these kinds of things in the sky. Okay. Pause it right there. Just a second. She's going to get into, uh, another aspect of it. Okay. I thought that was interesting. So she, what happened was she was researching this purgatory thing and she went back to the archives 1400s and she found that a lot of these people were experiencing these phenomenon that her friend said resembled UFO phenomenon.
1:21:21 And she's going to go into more detail in this next clip. So stick around. But, um, so far, I think what we're going to find is this phenomenon has been existing for a long time. And we have now. We have evidence, according to her, that this is probably a part of those secret Vatican archives that, uh, we talked about in a previous, previous episode. So, um, I'm going to go to you, Matthew in the black first. What do you think? What do I think about her, uh, her whole thing in general about the aliens being souls from purgatory? I know. Isn't that purgatory? No, I don't know. It's yeah. And while I was listening to that, I just, I had to look it up because there's a, um, there's a website and it's, uh, called Catholic answers and they work very closely with the magisterium to make sure that these answers are in line with.
1:22:14 Uh, Catholic teaching and all of that. And it's just, it's funny because if you look through the article they have specifically on is purgatory in the Bible, it just like, they'll come out very boldly and just say, oh yeah, it definitely is. And like, for example, here we have Matthew 12, uh, 32 is given as an example, and this is on directly on the website too. It's not my preferred translation, but whatever. And whoever says a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come. Like that's a, uh, that's given as a, yeah, that's purgatory. And it's like, where do you get purgatory from this? I don't, uh, I don't understand. So then we scroll down and it says, oh, we have a plainer text and it says that Jesus is even more explicit about purgatory. And, uh, Matthew five, make friends quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge and the judge to the guard and you be put in prison.
1:23:15 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny. So they'll say like, that is you being in prison as you being in purgatory and you're paying for those sins. Uh, you're being purged of the sins that you committed. But, uh, ultimately what is. What, well, what is the, the, the punishment, what are the wages of sin? How do you pay for sin? You pay for sin with death. So there isn't what is a purgatory, just a place where I'm constantly going and dying over and over. Well, you know, this is just some of the things. From like the money part, right? Cause you pay to get out of, well, with indulgences, you would pay for indulgences, right? To commit sin back in Luther's day. And that's why he did all that. But you would also be able to pay to have master. Mass is held. So they're kind of almost going after the monetary part there to mention purgatory because purgatory was always very intertwined with the money part of it.
1:24:10 You know, indulgences and purgatory was how they would fund stuff. So my dad, if I cut you off, sorry. No, it's fine. You're because you're right. It is ultimately, they turn the word of God around and they turn it into a money-making racket and they say, well, now you have to pay for your sins with money. When the Bible doesn't say anything about paying for your sins with money. And even here, um, and this is the last piece I'm going to read from this website, but, uh, at the very bottom, they have, like, they start defining sins and they say, first, what are sins, but bad or wicked works. And then they give a couple of verses, which I looked up those verses. They don't have anything about sin. The sin is not, uh, necessarily wicked works. We have to go by a biblical definition. What does the Bible say and define sin as? And sin is transgression of the law.
1:24:56 Oh, all of a sudden it makes sense. It's not just a bad work, some ambiguously bad work that I'm doing here on earth. It's transgressing God's law. And it's doing something that God has instructed you not to do. And when you do that, you earn the punishment of death. It's just such, honestly, since I've come to the Bible and I've read it and I just say, here, I'm going to let the Bible define these terms for me rather than a magisterium or a catechism, some council that was called. And they're just going to sit down with all of their philosophy, their vain philosophy and the wisdom. Of men to define the terms that God has already laid out in his word. It's just such blatant arrogance. It really is. And that's why you just have to humble yourself, read the word of God and just say, what is this telling me? Not what do I want it to tell me? What do I want to want this to agree with me? No, I just, I want to know what it says. Even if I don't agree with it, I want to know what it says. And then you can actually grow from there. And, uh, there, there could be a process, but yeah. The, the whole idea.
1:25:58 Behind her, uh, understanding of purgatory is just that old thing where it's like, yeah, there are people. Souls of people who are floating around and they're not quite settled. It's like the whole ghosts thing. Like, why are there ghosts? Well, they have unsettled business and that's why they're walking around moaning and crying. It's like, no, that's, that's not what's going on. It's a demonic deception. It's so easy when you just can label it, what it is and say, anytime that there is a spirit of a dead person, it is just a demonic entity. It's like, oh, it makes sense why God said it's off limits, right? Because if it, if it was holy people, if it was people who really are, they're on their way to heaven, right. And, and they need your prayers or something like that. And it's safe to interact with them. Don't you think it would be in God's word? Don't you think that that would be outlined very clearly and we would have an understanding of that.
1:26:49 But the Bible doesn't teach that at all. It says, don't communicate with the dead. Don't pray to the dead. Don't do anything with them because he is the God of living. It's just like the super chatter. Yeah. We had earlier. It's the God of life. It's the God of the living. So we don't have anything to do with the dead. But Matthew, what about the witch of indoor? What about the witch of indoor? Yeah. All right. Are we going to go down that rabbit hole again? No, no, no, no, no. What, what, what I, what I think is interesting. We're not, we're not pushing this topic off, but we did a whole video about this. It's called, um, the, uh, what's it called? It's called the, uh, the lie, the Christian lie that will, uh, uh, the, oh man, what's it called? The lie that most Christians believe. Yeah. That will, that will kill most. Check it out. Yeah. While you're looking it up, uh, talk Matthew, summarize your point right here, Paul in first Corinthians two, four, and five.
1:27:47 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the spirit and of power that your faith should not stand in the way of God. In the wisdom of men, but in the power of God done right there. That's exactly what you just said. Summarized. That's the only thing I have to say, Brad. A hundred percent. The video is called number one, deadly belief that will destroy Christians. The number one that's pound sign one deadly belief that will destroy Christians. You got to go see that. I mean, it, it just labels it out, uh, the understanding and what that believes. And we actually answer the five main questions. It's not, it's not a, a podcast like this. It's actually a kind of more dramatized documentary style. Very good video. You should go see it. Uh, and it answers that question. But, uh, there's lots more questions as, as this, this lady's continuing to talk about this.
1:28:40 And she says she goes to a UFO conference that's happening in her town. Just magically. She says she starts to see things that's, um, that's, that's happening. She thinks there's a similarity. Watch this. And what happened after that? This is how it gets weird. Was that there was a, uh, a UFO conference in my town that I went to, and I listened to people who are experiencers. These are people who feel like they're, they've either seen UFOs or experiencing, uh, you know, what are called, um, close encounters with inhabitants. And, and they all sounded exactly like my research. And I thought, okay, yeah. So this stuff, whatever it is, it looks like it's still happening and I really have to look at it. So I thought it was going to be really easy. Actually, I thought that it would be super easy just to go ahead and say, we don't generally do cross-cultural analyses, you know, and say this phenomenon is like this phenomenon 400 years ago.
1:29:37 But I, I thought it was close enough that we could do something like that. So I embarked on doing research and, um, and it took me into the weirdest places that I've ever been. I mean, you know, and, um, I, and so, yeah, so, uh, I then wrote American cosmic. I mean, I met. Now we can say who he is because he's outed himself, but some of the people in my book, this was prior to the government coming out and saying that UFOs are real, right? So that happened in June, 2021, my book was released about UFOs in 2019. So my book came out prior to this. So the research I had to do a lot of it was with people who had to be anonymous. So I gave them pseudonyms in my book. And one of those people, um, is Dr. Gary. No. He's a professor at Stanford university and he was working with me.
1:30:32 We worked together on this and I was basically, I was studying how he, this amazing professor, you know, he has like four labs at Stanford. I mean, he's like a top researcher in the world believes in this. I was like, okay, this is, and we went to New Mexico and went to an alleged crash site and things like that. We met Tyler, who is part of the space program. Space force and stuff. And he's been like, he's, he's, uh, he was a mission controller and he did a space shuttle mission control work almost throughout the whole program of the space shuttle when that was going. I mean, um, it was unbelievable to me, frankly. No, I'm going to pause it right there for a second. And I'm going to go straight into the next clip here because we're already, uh, pressing the end of the show here, but I, we have lots more to cover and it's going to get even more interesting.
1:31:24 So I'm going to just cover to cover this. Next clip before we make any more comments. Here we go. Let me explain how a person who studies religion now studies, uh, the belief systems of UFOs. Okay. So in my field, we don't advocate religion, right? We, some of us are religious. Some of us are atheists. Some of us are agnostic. So we have archeologists, sociologists, historians. We use many different ways to, uh, look at the processes and practices that we call religion. Um, so we're a, we're an academic field of people who do what's called religious studies. So to take this and, you know, we don't have to say that, that this particular religious truth for these people is actually real, right? We just say, we're going to study the social effects of this for these people and for society. Um, so we take that lens and that framework and we apply it to this rising belief in UFOs here.
1:32:24 And so what I was doing in my book, I was taking the rising belief in UFOs as a way, as an example of how technology has created a new form of religion, because a lot of people look what you just said. You just said you would hope that we'd have a sociological benefit, right? That somehow these aliens would help us be better spiritually. Well, that's a, that's a religious or spiritual belief right there. Okay. And a lot of people believe that. So there are a lot of people who believe. That those visitors, right? Whoever, whatever they are, are here to kind of uplift us spiritually as, you know, ethically or better, that kind of thing, which is why your grandfather would tell me, ma, Jesus is an alien. Okay.
1:33:11 You know, because he came here now, um, another person who has this, this idea, but maybe not so that, you know, it's going to be a better situation, but is Jacques Vallee. And so his idea is that. This is like a control system. And he also takes this idea of aliens and he says, religions work the same way, right? So they kind of like, they, they rely on the presence of non-human intelligent beings. Those are either God or angels or Bodhisattvas, you know, you name it, you take the religion and these not, these, uh, non-human intelligent beings are more advanced than us and they give us stories. And ways of being and ethical codes and that kind of thing. So it's kind of like controlling human behavior. And so he, of course, being a person who is trained in information science, then says, you see these patterns, it looks like a pattern of control. Hmm.
1:34:12 Hmm. Hmm. That was a lot of information to, uh, kind of recap of what she's kind of saying is she went to the conference. She's realized that there's a connection between these things and that some people are believing they are. Some people are believing they are benevolent. Some of the people are believing they are absolutely benevolent and it's, it's, they're good or they're bad, but either way, somehow they're, they're controlling, they're either controlling or they're just messengers. They're trying to be nice to you. Um, we, uh, have a very distinct way to tell if these things are good or bad. And number one, it's by the fruits, by the fruits you will know them. Number two, if they speak not according to the word, the word of God and claim Jesus as the truth. What, what do you guys think about this so far? Because this is just the tip of the iceberg as we were continuing down the rabbit trail. Um, I'll start with you, Matthew in the top. Yeah. The idea of it being a controlling type of a thing and having just, it just seems to me that all these people want to draw the dots together and they want it to just kind of be one.
1:35:20 It's a unity thing, right? We know where this is headed. It's headed towards the unity, but they just, the thorn in their side. It has to be fundamental Christianity because it just stands in opposition. All of this. It's like you're saying, if it does not speak according to this word, it's like, okay, I know that this is not something to be trusted. And we have this conviction, this really strong conviction that it's not going to be shaken because we know what we know. And this is a deception. These are not something we want to have anything to do with. We don't anticipate that any alien beings are going to improve us spiritually or give us a deeper understanding. Of God, they can't do that. And, and she's also correct in that the non-human intelligence is CC these people like the lingo. It's just come in, totally bled in. I like saying it. I like going non-human intelligence because for me, it's like a big old, like Eric non-human intelligence.
1:36:14 Like, what does that tell you? We know of an intelligent created order that is not human and is amongst us and does not have our best interest in heart. And that's what the Bible says. It's yeah. They just want. Have this, this big, uh, I don't know, branching thing. I wonder about Jacques Belay a lot. You know, he just seems like a very confused guy because at some points you hear him talk and it's like, oh, you'd think this guy must be a Christian because he's calling out this thing as a deception. He says they're manipulative. They're lying. They're demonic. He uses the phrase. They are demonic, which I mean, I, I don't think you can just throw that word around like it's colorful language. Uh, it's just, it's very specific to me. Uh, but then you, you hear these other things where he's like involved in these kind of institutes and the invisible college and all this type of weird stuff.
1:37:06 And, uh, yeah, just, it goes to show really that you can have a really sharp mind and a high intellect, but yeah, if you're, if you're not leaning on the word, it's just like, uh, Matthew down below was, was showing the Bible. It's like, yeah, there, there you have it. Can we, can we open the Bible and go to that? Especially this woman who's like, yeah, Catholics claim to be Christians. So it's like, when's the last time you use the Bible to make a determination on any of the stuff you're studying? Have you ever done it once? It's like, if you haven't, then where does she know? Can you fairly call? Yeah. Can you fairly call yourself a Christian if you haven't? Wow. Vatican. Where did she go? She didn't go to the Bible. She went to the Catholic archives. Yeah.
1:37:52 I was just going to say that. Right. You know, and the other thing I noticed is, okay, she talks about how, okay, control. It seems to have an air of control. That's how we can be super sure that this is not God because God always allows free will. It's the devil that always uses control. That uses force manipulation. You know, he was talking about positive manipulation earlier. Okay. Manipulation, control. They're all on the same part of the same little hand there of the way that Satan acts. Manipulation, deception, force. Control and lies. You know, it's all connected. 100%. And she is blind to it. Looking right at it, she's blind to it. It's amazing. I want to thank Meredith Poole. She gave us a super chat.
1:38:42 She says, hit that like button, everybody. Everyone, thank you everyone for a great show, as always, and continued. And this show is not over yet. Thank you, Meredith. Thank you, Meredith. That's how we continue. Meredith around. I know. She's one of the Patreon members, so that's very good. I think this is fascinating, and she's going to continue into even more bizarreness in just a second here. I think this is only the beginning. People have different belief systems, she said. And what kind of belief systems is she going to talk about? She says she's even had many Christians that have had these experiences, and it changes them. Listen to this. Listen to this. If there's so many, if the bones of religion and the bones of alien theory and ufology are the same structure, they're made of the same stuff, why are so many people in some religious communities, I've only heard Christian communities become upset about alien theory.
1:39:47 Why do they get upset if it's kind of made of the same stuff? Okay, so if you're within a belief system, another belief system might compete with yours, okay? So what I've seen in Christianity specifically, and I see a lot of people who've had experiences of UFOs who are Christian. I live in the South, and so it's a very Christian area of the country. And so I've heard and talked to so many Christians, and it's traumatic when they have a UFO experience. It's traumatic for them. I know one person in particular who had a very, you know, this is a man who was a successful businessman, well-known in his community. He was a deacon at his church. I believe he was Baptist. And he had this experience with some of his employees.
1:40:45 He was fishing down at the river, and they all saw some pretty incredible things, and he had experiences and things like that. And afterwards, it completely shifted. It shattered him, really, and even his community. And at first, his community told him that he saw demons, right? And he wasn't really sure that he saw demons. He didn't know what he saw, right? And so he did a lot of his own research, and then he didn't talk about it for a long time. And then finally, he said, I'm just going to talk about this because it was real. It really happened. And then I met him. And he said, this is what happened. And I said, yeah. I said, that sounds about right. And he said, and he goes, and I don't think that it's incompatible with Christianity. He said, I think that this is a spiritual thing that happened to me.
1:41:40 And he said, so I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions. So he asked me questions, and I have a friend who's a priest, and that was born and raised here in North Carolina. And he asked him a bunch of questions. And he asked me a bunch of questions. Because this man who's a priest, he's also a professor of the New Testament. So he knows the Greek inside and out. So my friend went back. And what he did, I call it, it's something that I've found to be the case in a lot of instances where a person who's from a different religious tradition will have a UFO experience. And they'll go back to their own tradition. and reinterpret their own tradition to include these kinds of things so then my friend would go back to the biblical text and say jesus coming into clouds what does that mean kind of thing you know this kind of thing and you know and so a lot of them are also very apocalyptic so that means that they believe that that the end times are really happening they're going to happen soon and um yeah so it gives them an urgency and a sense of um almost trauma you know so um yeah it's a it's a pretty intense thing going on so a lot of people don't consider it to be bad they consider it to be a part of their religious tradition religious tradition and i'm going to go right into her next one here because this is this is just as fascinating so hold that thought because i know there's a lot to say about that but watch what she says about the alien resistance in individuals us now that said there is a group called alien resistance and this is a christian group and basically they say if you begin to become abducted by aliens call out the name of jesus and the abduction will stop okay so this is you know this is another group and they they have their own and there are also there are also people in government who view these as um they they're christian and they view these as the incursions of uh the aliens as incursions of satanic forces so you know you have all kinds of different belief systems within the structures of alien belief wow so i find it fascinating that 90 of communication is done not with not verbally and if you watch the facial expressions of what happened there i mean it's obvious they were just not having it what christians are they're they'd be so against this stuff it's just like christianity it's just like religion it's just a religion why are they so upset about it let's say that said again those backward hicks basically the inflection you get there kind of uh if if if they would study and watch this program they would understand exactly what's going on here and it it's it's blatantly obvious that what what what's happening i mean blatantly obvious and i i think i saw someone in chat say i think she was talking about blood so it could have been very very very much so she could have been talking about blood so but there's a couple other i think we covered the encounters episode had another guy on there that had this uh same thing experienced to him in the south so it could have been him as well what what do you guys think matthew black shirt start with you yeah the mockery and the laughing about uh oh like if you call out in the name of jesus it's just the total dismissal of course it you're going to entertain anything else other than the possibility that jesus christ is lord jesus has the power to save you from anything including alien abductions but most importantly
1:45:30 your sins it's just uh you know we've been dealing with it for a couple thousand years you know ever since jesus was on the scene he was mocked to his face so you know it is a little i don't know whenever i see people doing that it it's a little it's like probably the most sort of good thing ever tends to bug me a bit because um we've looked and we've seen and there are people who have these great testimonies that say yeah this happened i have faith in jesus christ i asked him and got rid of it and you just look at the abduction experiences demonic encounters and they just are the same exact thing it's just one is a little more sci-fi and one is a little more fantasy right it's just a different flavor that they choose to to dress it up as but yeah it's uh saying that we're the the alien resistance or whatever i don't know that christians should ever be uh characterized as a resistance or a rebellion because that's satan's mo they are the ones who are resisting one true god and to god we are not we are being we are going to humble ourselves and we are going to be subservient to god if anything we're on the side of order and um yeah righteousness you know a righteousness beyond myself and the the reality that there is this higher power and an objective good that i can trust and and lean on and yeah i don't have to necessarily resist uh well i guess there is description that says resist the devil and he will flee from you so maybe in that way you can characterize us as a as a as a resistors but i would say overall that they're the ones who are resisting god and it's just clear from the the laughing and the mockery matthew in the blue shirt what do you think right well we're we're not really resisting in that sense we're more like resisting the rebellion if if anything we're like what would you call it anti-rebels like they're rebels and we're behind enemy lines we're the french resistance in world war ii like we're resistance but really kind of not really resistance this is our place you've just taken it over you know but i think it's interesting right when in the earlier clip she's talking about all these examples of what we honestly a lot of the things she talks about you know the manipulation the religion aspect they are to a degree true it's interesting how she can see all these elements but without biblical discernment she laughs off the logical conclusion of them like you look at the bible it's the one plus two equals three it should be very obvious but there isn't and so to her it's jesus how could you laugh how could you possibly call on jesus's name and it's it's it's an avoidance it's an avoidance of accountability that's why they have this biting this sarcasm this anger about it really i mean think about it you look at their reaction there what's the root motivation why would you really react with such sneering mockery i mean she looks that way like a scientist talks to a flat earther you know not promoting it but there's a bunch of people out there um that all they do is just debunk flat earthers and it's a bunch of scientists and they have this vile just contempt and aggression in their channel and she talks about that like we like like they scientists talk about flat earthers just how absurd is it how could you and then there's an anger there is like almost a vein of righteous anger in there so that's my thoughts on it yeah yeah no i i think it's interesting and it's you can tell the lady, the host, is just like, oh, this is absurd. She's, the researcher is kind of like, you know, this is what's happening. These are the facts. This is interesting. But I think that she didn't give the alien resistance people, I'm going to use that in finger quotes, justice as she talked about it. Because, well, and let's name them. What's interesting is alien resistance is actually a real thing. Alienresistance.org, if you go there. And guess who heads that up? Joseph Jordan and his friend Guy Malone. So actually what she's talking about is that friendship right there of Guy Malone and Joseph Jordan. And one of their specific talks they did recently, not recently, he was actually quite younger, but we had it in Starfall. And I want to show an extended version of that talk in this. It's not very long, just a couple minutes, but it's very, very interesting what they say about this. And wasn't intended.
1:50:10 And it was included purposefully on this podcast with her. Check this out. I contacted these top researchers in the country. I said, guys, I've got a case here. I don't know what to make of it. I shared them the case. Each time I did, they asked, can we go off the record? And I said, sure. I can't tell you their names, but I can tell you what they said. Each one of them said, yes, sir, we've come across cases like this ourselves, where they've been able to stop it using prayer or Jesus's name. I said, excuse me, how come we have never documented? You're telling us otherwise, that it can't be done. It can't be stopped. First answer they usually gave us, we didn't know what to make of it. I would have been fine with that. The second answer is what puzzled me and got me kind of angry. Because it was that one that I want you to hear for sure. They said, we couldn't go there because it might affect our credibility in the realm. Do I hear a cover up? Did I mention government? No, I didn't. What I'm telling you is there's a cover up about this information and has been by the top researchers that you people rely on to hear the truth from.
1:51:30 I said to them, you know, guys, I got nothing to lose. I work for a living. I don't write books. I don't do all this stuff that you do. I said, I just want to document this as a researcher. So I went after those cases because I now knew they were there. Over the next couple of years, I've been able to do that. I've been able to do that. I've been able to do that. I've been able to do that. I've been able to do that. I've been able to do that. Over the next 10 years, I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. This is documented evidence. Okay? Documented evidence. I questioned, I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to the Bible or not. I had to show biblically if this was relating to The end of Ephesians in that chapter talking about spiritual warfare. After putting on the whole armor of God, which is defense, protection. These people were showing that there was an offensive move. An offensive move. You can be in defense with protection, but to defeat the enemy, these entities, you have to do something offensive.
1:52:44 Ephesians 6.19. And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly. That's what these people have done in the presence of these entities. To make known the mystery of the gospel. What's that mystery? This is where the authority comes that they're able to stop these entities. Because it's Christ in you. That power was passed down from God to the Son, Father to the Son, over everything above the earth, on the earth, and below the earth. When you become a Christian, give yourself to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The indwelling. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit passes that authority on to you. I thought it was fascinating. We also, and I would ask Joe Jordan this if he was on here tonight. I'm surprised he's usually in the chat. We have to be careful.
1:53:36 There was apostles that came, and they were demanding that demons come out of someone. They got beat up pretty bad. They said, why? Why can't we do this? Well, it's because, number one, you've got to have a relationship. And number two, sometimes you have to pray. And fast. And it requires a little bit more than just demanding. Because you don't have that connection that you think you do. But there is an element to this. And look at this. Evidence. Right here. He said, this is documented evidence. And none of that was brought up in the podcast. It was like, oh, there's an alien resistance. And they think they got this figured out. Yeah, we do. Anyway, I'll pass it back on to you guys. What do you think, Matthew, in the blue shirt?
1:54:26 Well, yet again, the sneering, the veneering, and the mockery. If she's basically quoting the website, you have to believe she looked at it. You have to believe that she reviewed it. Nobody attacks something they don't know. And they certainly don't attack something they don't know with that level of, what's the word I want to use here? Kind of cavaliering. She obviously knows. In order to attack something with detail, to kind of make a really good attack of it, you know, you have to have a knowledge of it. She has to have looked it over and heard about it and read about it. She wouldn't have used the term the Christian resistance if she wasn't trying to paint it as a broader movement. Meaning she probably tried to look and see, is this just one guy? And then she realized it's big. She may have even seen, I mean, I don't know how old this interview was. But she may have even, if this channel was around then, seen this channel.
1:55:21 I wouldn't be surprised. You're in the top results on YouTube among a lot of this stuff. So it wouldn't surprise me. But anyway, Matthew and Black, what you got? Yeah, I was looking over the chat and there is a, I know this person has been in our chat and has watched many of our videos. But they seem to think that maybe we're giving Diana a little bit of a raw deal. And that she said that she's read her books and she 100% does. Does not think they are aliens. I would just like to know what does she think that they are? Because that's ultimately they do a good cop, bad cop routine. So I wonder, she might know, yeah, some of this has definitely been demonic fallen angel interactions. But has she fallen for the good cop when they come in and they give you all the feelings of love and they say we'll all be as one and everything is going to be forgiven and we're going to move forward into a utopia?
1:56:19 I don't know. It's just, yeah, okay. And the chat, she's saying that she believes there are angels and demons. I would argue that from all of the encounters I've seen, the alien encounters, they have been demonic, strictly demonic. And the reason is because they come in a cloak of extraterrestrial and they preach a gospel that is different from that that's found in the Bible. So it's good that maybe she recognizes. Some of these encounters are demonic, but I think it's you have to kind of move forward into, okay, is it just some of them or is it all of them? And what do they want? You know, what is the the agenda really here? And what is the end goal? I don't know. I'd like to look into a little more of Diana, though, because, you know, this is she's an interesting character. You don't have a lot of people who have religious conviction.
1:57:18 Well, you know, Christian. And type of religious condition. I know she's a Catholic, but I've known Catholics who have seemed to have a good faith in Jesus. It's just they're a little confused about what the Bible says and what God wants you to do and doesn't want you to do and how he wants you to worship him. All that just to say, you know, I know Diana. What is it? Pasolka is someone that has been mentioned many times, and I don't know if we featured her. Until now. So maybe keep an eye out, guys, everybody who's watching and we'll we'll find more of her materials and we'll see just what kind of an argument she's putting forward, because it's just very interesting. Yeah. Situation. It's fascinating. And I I'm looking at my show notes right now to find the exact because what I do now, I'm putting all this information in there. Diana Walsh Pasolka. I forget her.
1:58:19 I don't know how to say her last name. She wrote Pasolka Pasolka. American Cosmic is the what? And so she believes that they are demons, according to the book. Is that what the summary is? Or is she just analyzing it and putting out facts there? The book she read. Adrian Jankowski, another one of our viewers, saying that she talks about Prometheus when talking about UFOs all the time. If you know, you know. Yeah. Well, Prometheus, the we've talked about that. A little bit. The Greek myth where he took light and gave it to humanity and then was punished for his righteous rebellion against the gods because he wanted to benefit mankind with knowledge. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I'm just looking at that. I'm looking at the chat right now just because I'm curious. I want to know more about her and her stances in general, especially if it's like we've gotten the wrong impression off of her. But yeah, that would be interesting.
1:59:18 I always like to bring up. Signed tangent there. Other Matthew. I always like to bring up the side tangent about how everything space related that NASA, the supposedly atheistic agency uses, is always named after Greek gods. Apollo, Artemis. Go look those gods up and tell me why would they pick them? Why? What do they have to do with space? I'll give you a secret answer. They don't. But they have some very specific other things they're connected to. You mentioned Prometheus. You could make you could keep going. It's it's interesting. How that works. Maybe we ought to do an episode one day about that. You know, the Greek god myths and their connection. Yeah, all this because there's a lot there. So the Greek gods are they're featured even in a lot of like as an American. I do know a lot more Greek gods.
2:00:10 Well, it's a superhero stuff, but they're also featured in the Capitol building. There are murals that depicts founding fathers with the gods like over there. Sure. Shoulders and stuff like directing them to do stuff. You don't know about that, Brad. Oh, I'll have to save that for another. I'll save it for another. OK, OK, OK. So the Diana Walsh interview here, it's from the YouTube channel, small YouTube channel. Meredith for real is the name of the podcast podcast. I'd be interested to dig further into not only Diana, but this other lady, I guess her name is Meredith. And I want to also comment and say. Yeah, we're still researching this. If we're giving someone a raw deal, we don't want to do that. And we're trying our best to cover this from every angle. And but we what we are concerned with. There's two things. Don't talk to dead people. Number one.
2:01:02 And number two, if they say they're not from this planet, they better speak according to the Bible. That's all we're saying. And long and short of it is something's going on here. We're going to continue following what's happening because that is the point of this. This civic show and we're going to be covering all the strange stuff on this channel. So you better hit that subscribe button. Hit that like button and continue to follow strange. Normal guys, do you want to have a short prayer before we disembark? Yeah, OK, we can. Matthew, why don't you have a prayer? Yeah. Oh, good one. I have to wait until the end of the broadcast. So. Matthew, in the blue, would you like to? I think it's always nice to allow.
2:01:54 Oh, sure. Absolutely. Whenever you guys are ready. All right. OK, go further in heaven. Thank you very much for letting us come together tonight to talk about the deceptions of these near end times. Give us all discernment, understanding and knowledge and wisdom. And please help us to stay on the straight and narrow path where we need your Holy Spirit. And we ask you to keep working on our hearts, the hearts of our audience and to keep us all safe, protected and vigilant in these times. For you promised the greater is he that is in this than he that is in this world. And you promised that your hand is not shortened and it cannot save. We claim those promises and we thank you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. And the thought came to me, maybe if she does, if she's she's on the resistant side, maybe I'll try to reach out to her. Maybe we'll get on the show. Anyway, with that said, guys, stick around. We'll do a little post show content for Patreon.
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