0:00 I have taken many journalists to the perimeters of that facility many, many times. I have seen things that initially I thought were very strange, but over the years I came to the conclusion that there was nothing weird going on. It's just good old American technology. Norio Hayakawa has seen some strange things in his years as a tour guide for major documentary and television broadcast companies. He has brought many filmmakers and news anchors behind the gates of some of the world's most sophisticated and secretive U.S. government research facilities and was featured in the documentary Alien Intrusion. But more than that, Norio is also a Christian who shares the belief that this strange supernatural phenomenon seen mostly around these U.S. government facilities has an agenda behind it that's bigger than anyone realizes.
1:17 Thanks for being with me. Thanks for being on the show, Norio. Tell me a little bit about yourself. Well, Bradley, thank you so much, first of all, for having me on your program. My name is Norio Hayakawa, and I am a resident of the fascinating state of New Mexico, USA. And basically, I've been researching this strange topic of UFOs and the deception involving this topic for many, many years. Actually, since 1961. So that's a long, long time. And in the course of all these studies for many, many years, in the late 1970s, I began to change.
2:18 I began to change my views on this entire topic of the UFO phenomenon. And especially beginning in the 1980s, I began to take a Christian point of view of this entire topic. And thus, even now, I come from basically a Christian, a Christian viewpoint on this subject. I am a Christian. Actually, I consider myself a born-again Christian. And it is from this angle that I study this very strange, but very important topic that could affect all of us, because it's about the belief system.
3:15 Have you been Christian your whole life? Not. Really, I became a Christian when I went to New Mexico, where I now live. But the first time I went to New Mexico was in 1965. And it was towards the late 70s that I decided to put two and two together and began a new approach to this phenomenon. It was because... It was because in the late 1970s, I began to devour books written by great researchers, such as Dr. Jacques Vallée and John A. Keel, who weren't outwardly professed Christians at all, but their viewpoint coincided with my viewpoint on this subject. What they have... What they have come, as far as their conclusion, is that this is definitely a matter of, well, spiritual deception or religious deception, I believe.
4:33 And I maintain that that kind of belief actually later on started to affect me. And so... Even now, I come from this, basically, Christian belief of this important topic. Wow. Okay. All right. So, how did you come across this? I know you read the books by... Who did you say they were again? John A. Keel. John A. Keel. Dr. Jacques Vallée. Jacques Vallée. Two of the most well-known researchers that departed... In the 1970s, the late 1970s, they departed from the traditional nuts and bolts explanations of the origins of the UFO phenomena.
5:32 Because until then, most people, most researchers who were into ufology only took the nuts and bolts extraterrestrial origin theory. Of the UFO phenomenon. While these two great researchers broke from that tradition and began to say that there's more to this phenomenon than just the nuts and bolts phenomenon. It's a very tricky, deceptive phenomenon that could even be even close to... some kind of a demonic phenomenon. So, even though these two researchers were not the so-called Christian researchers, they fit in perfectly with the Christian viewpoint of today.
6:37 Very, very interesting. So, they had books out, I'm guessing. You read these books. Yes. And they... What were... And forgive me, because I'm fairly new to this topic. I've been kind of lightly going over it for about 10 years, but not in the depth that I have in these last six months or so. So, I'm very curious. What were some of their main points in the books, if you don't mind just briefly going over that? Well, basically, their conclusion was that this phenomenon is, for the most part, a deceptive... phenomenon originated by entities that are likely extra-dimensional and not physically extraterrestrial.
7:36 And that coincides definitely with my belief, because even though I have studied this phenomenon for years and years, I have yet to see any actual empirical proof that there are physical UFOs operated by physical extraterrestrial biological entities. Absolutely no tangible proof of this. That's really interesting you say that, because just recently, Lou Elizondo, who I'm sure you've been following just as much as I have, has said that the government may or may not be in possession of exotic material. So, I'm really curious what he means by that, because everything he says, he has some understanding behind, but he can't say because of his security clearance. And so, I'm fascinated to know the truth behind that, too. Well, basically, my opinion is that we have not...
8:48 There is no knowledge, and I'm talking about the United States government. The United States government has no concrete idea of what this phenomenon is. And that is the reason why they have been hesitant to come up with any declarative statement saying that the UFOs are extraterrestrial. It's a terrestrial spacecraft. In fact, zero evidence for it. Yet, the phenomenon itself exists or seemed to exist. And so, the reason why the Pentagon has not officially described these as UFOs.
9:39 They just described these as unidentified aerial phenomenon, UAP. And that's as far as they can come up with because, they are not even sure if these are objects, even. So, that's the main point. And I'm sure that Luis Elizondo is just as confused as anybody else. There are many in the government that believe that, well, this phenomenon is more or less a deceptive than a phenomenon orchestrated by unknown entities, which I describe as extra dimensional, para-physical entities emanating not from far outer space, but right next to our physical dimension and coexist with us and have been coexisting. coexisting since the time immemorial. And this is my belief that these entities were the result of the cosmic rebellion that took place eons and eons ago in this universe that originated with Lucifer, and that was the first revolt.
11:22 And in this revolt that took place eons and eons ago, there were an untold number of angelic entities in this universe. That's the cosmos that God had originally created. But because of this revolt, about or exactly one-third of the entire cosmic para-physical entities sided with Lucifer in this revolt. And that was the beginning of everything that we see today. Yeah, yeah. So, they're doing this one last deception, I guess, before the end of time. Exactly. Until Jesus comes and establishes the Millennial Kingdom, it is my belief that these entities, fallen entities, will do their utmost to deceive us all. And that deception is increasing, and it has increased, especially in this modern era.
12:40 That, I believe, began around 1947. And so this is my belief, that it's really accelerating, because if you look at many secular poles, more and more people are beginning to... Oh yeah. In the existence of physical, extraterrestrial beings. beings coming here in their supposedly physical extraterrestrial spacecraft and this belief is increasing and it's my belief that in our modern era everything started happening around 1947 yeah yeah roswell i guess that was the first one huh yes and it's my belief that uh this whole thing may have been staged as an extraterrestrial event by these entities themselves yeah to promote and to change our belief system uh little by little and today increasing accelerating uh you know rate yeah it seems that um even the ufologists that i talked to they they say that they want to believe this is the common phrase we want to believe a belief is a spiritual held uh thing it's it's a spiritual theory and so the ufo phenomenon is kind of its own religion yes it is and uh as i said ufos have become uh the most uh i would say uh prolific religion religious movement actually it's uh i would say it's almost like a cult i believe in aliens and physical ufos uh this has become a cult of sort absolutely so so tell me a little bit more about your uh were you you lived near some of these government facilities at one time is that right yes because i have lived in california for many many years uh and i'm very familiar with the uh defense uh industry in southern california such as the edwards air force base i have visited that area many many times uh because i was very much interested in a military aviation and so this is the reason why i became fascinated with facilities such as the ufos and the ufos and the ufos and the ufos and the ufos and the ufos and there's a area 51 in nevada which i since 1988 i became interested in that and i have taken many journalists to the perimeters of that facility many many times i have seen things that initially i thought were very strange but over the years i came to the conclusion that there was nothing weird going on it's just a good old american technology and i've been doing a lot of research on the technology uh and so i am interested in the leading edge military technologies that our government has and it's very important and so this is the reason why i support facilities such as area 51 uh you know edwards air force base and new mexico and all these important military locations because uh with this tremendous area uh the space wise in new mexico this is a perfect location for many uh testing of military projects and but uh you know uh many people uh misunderstand military projects with the secret uh uh you know ufo cover-up there's nothing like that as far as i'm concerned there's no intentional cover-up of ufo by the united states government not at all because
17:12 uh the government itself still doesn't know exactly what this phenomenon is and that's why they are reluctant to come up with any declaration uh even though they have seen uh lots and lots of videos taken by military people like navy pilots yet today they are unable to come up with any statements saying what these things are yeah yeah so that's what i i i believe that uh they will never come to any kind of a disclosure because there's nothing that they can disclose because uh they don't exactly know what this is without bringing in uh well religious interpretation and i'm talking about uh christian interpretation of this phenomenon the government is not going to come out with any religious type of explanation because they're that's not their business and so uh as long as the government doesn't come up and say that this is a very deceptive spiritual phenomenon and is deceiving a lot of people nothing's going to happen yeah and uh so until these entities themselves decide to reveal themselves which they could in the future yeah and that's where my christian uh belief comes in that i believe that in the distant future there will come a time where you the things will be revealed and uh you know it'll be too late for most people who will be led into the final uh deception yeah i understand exactly what you're saying and so and so while this is all happening and while we understand uh the progress of events that are happening the the spiritual entities are hanging around military craft especially the ones that are are the most secretive to aggravate the military and cause them to slowly reveal that there is something that they can't explain to make even more curious for the general public yes and and make it because i i believe that when this does come out people are going to eat this stuff they'll just eat this stuff it'll be fantastic to them because for the longest time it has been they felt covered up but in fact it's just been covered up and they're going to eat this stuff It's just the government saying, hey, politics, this isn't our jurisdiction, but now this is a big deal that's coming out.
20:13 So it is a very fascinating topic, and I guess that's exactly why I have you on the show. Go ahead. Yes, I came to the conclusion that this phenomenon seems to have the capability of intruding into our physical parameters, such as even radars. And the only problem with this phenomenon is that this phenomenon is unable to survive in our physical dimension for too long. So, you know, for only for a few seconds. Or a few minutes at a time. So we have to understand in depth what this phenomenon is. And this phenomenon is something that, even though it can affect our radar, it can cause also some physical, you know, interference.
21:11 You know, this is why authors like Dr. Jacques Vallée have come to the... conclusion that this is not an extraterrestrial physical phenomenon, but an unknown extradimensional phenomenon caused by unknown, sentient, extradimensional entities that have always coexisted with us. Yeah. Especially after the fall of Lucifer. The book says that after the fall. So it does go into... Yeah. So it does go into... Yeah. So it does go into spiritual? No. The... Okay. Both of the books by... All of the books by Dr. Jacques Vallée, as well as John A. Keele, do not go into, well, you know, you know... Spiritual topics. Yes. Christian standpoint. But yet, they say that this is a demonic, almost a demonic phenomenon. They say that... That word, without hesitancy. And so that's why I highly respect John A. Keele, the late John A. Keele, and Dr. Jacques Vallée, because they use the word demonic.
22:36 Yeah. Which is very important, and a lot of people are afraid to use the word, and even some Christian ufologists are afraid to use the word demonic. And I'm not afraid to use this word. No, not at all. Yeah. I think that oftentimes, it's very obvious to me that this thing's demonic, because number one, well, a lot of ufologists say that this thing is benevolent. But if you look at its characteristics, the Bible says, by the fruits, you will know them. And the fruits of this thing, if you follow it, is you got abductions that supposedly are taking people. But I believe it's more of a... A spiritual state. And the experience is not usually a good one.
23:27 And then you got these supposed cattle mutilations and animal terrible things that happen to them that they say are around this type of sightings. And so I wonder, if you put two and two together, that all this negativity... Around it. Has something to do with a very negative nature of the spirituality. Yes, that's true. But at the same time, we must not forget that there are also benevolent entities in this cosmos. Because the Bible says that there are benevolent entities that are definitely opposed to the malevolent.
24:20 Absolutely. The ratio, as far as I'm concerned, is for every malevolent entities in this entire cosmos, there are two benevolent ones. And the benevolent ones also have the capability of materializing physically, but it seems that they don't do that too often. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. The ones that are materializing and deceiving people are the negative malevolent fallen entities, and they comprise one-third of the entire cosmic extra-dimensional paraphysical entities. And so, we must not forget that there are benevolent entities, but I call these entities, well, they have been known to us. known to be as guardian angels. There are such things that even though we don't see them, they have protected, they will continue to protect, you know, people that, the Christian people, you know, without being seen.
25:40 So many times in my experiences, I have had many dangerous experiences such as almost being killed by an automobile, you know, auto accident. And many, countless, many other times I have been saved, and I believe that this is because of the presence of guardian angels or benevolent ones that have, you know, protected me. So even the Bible says that these entities, you know, sometimes appear, well, not too often, but they, they say that we entertain these ones without knowing what they are or who they are. But, you know, the ones that are causing problems and deceiving people are the ones that I call the negative fallen entities. Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, it's fascinating. Previous video I did with the pastor, which is coming out very soon, if it's not out already by the time this airs, has said that oftentimes it's, it's the only people, the only entities from outside this galaxy that really want to interfere or that want to intercede, I guess, with what's going on here is the hospital staff, which is God and his angels.
27:06 And the, the ones that don't want the hospital staff on board, which are the devil and his minions, but are demons, I guess you can call them. And I want to give some legit, legitimacy to what you're saying about the one-third to two-thirds ratio. I think that's in Revelation, the last book of the Bible that says, the dragon, which is a representation of Satan, swept one-third of the stars out of heaven. And stars, Revelation reveals, are the angels. And so it definitely was one-third to two-third ratio. So one to two. Very good. Very good. Exactly. And, you know, the other cogent reason for the belief held by myself, as well as many other Christian folks, is the fact that the Bible says that there are principalities in power of the air.
28:09 You know, and this is very true, that after the fall, they were kicked out of their, their domain and thrown into this, near our atmosphere. And so they, I believe, exist in the, this area, principalities of the air and so on. Yeah, yeah. Satan is the prince of the air. Absolutely. That's what the Bible says. I wanted to, so since you mentioned, and this is kind of a different topic, sorry, I'm just remembering something I wanted to ask you. You, you had said, you said that you don't believe that there is possibly the, the government in possession of anything organic, which makes sense, but it could also be a deception if they're, if they did, if it comes out someday that they did, I don't know. Nobody knows yet, except for maybe God and some people in the government, I guess. But I'm wondering, what are your thoughts on Bob Lazar? And he's the guy, the physicist that supposedly, according to his story, worked for the government on some of these ships.
29:20 And he has some incredible stories. Yes, he's, I have, actually in 1990, I met Bob Lazar at his residence. And because I took a Japanese TV crew to interview him at his residence in Las Vegas in 1990 and interviewed him for three hours. And he was the one who told me where to go. That evening, it was on Wednesday, February the 21st, I believe. We, after we visited him, he, he said that even though he didn't want to accompany us to the location, he told us where to go. And so the crew and I went to that exact isolated desolate area of Nevada on highway 375. And he said, if I had known at that time and then went to the exact spot and we started setting up our cameras and we did see some strange lights maneuvering over the mountains that covered area 51 from a distance, you know?
30:36 So initially we thought he was, it was great. But later on, I became convinced that there was, there was nothing extraordinary about this thing being tested because I started believing this is simply American technology. So I came to the conclusion that Bob Lazar I hate to call him a fraud, but maybe there was a reason for him to say all these things. I can't know for sure, but there's no alien technology whatsoever. And I said, maybe we can go to the potato pit but it's parked on the beach on the river at area 51. And that's my conclusion. But, sometimes the air force and the military can use such a belief systems to cover for more, realistic projects go on in those areas.
31:42 They always have to have a cover story. And, it's, very possible that, Willingly or unwillingly, I'm not sure to, you know, participate in this kind of misconception. Fascinating. Yeah, fascinating. I'm very curious, too. And we may never know until we get to heaven. But I am very curious about his stories and the reasons behind them, if they are true or not. The one thing that fascinates me about it, well, let me say this. He mentions that he wasn't at Area 51. He was at S4, which is built into a mountainside south of Area 51. But it's in the same area. So I guess Area 51 fits that description. But he said he saw up to nine craft built into that hangar down there.
32:32 Anyway, I don't want to get off topic and too much into this. But it is a fascinating topic. I might do a video about it sometime, tying this with the spirituality that does exist. In this world. But you took the crew down there. Did you see anything interesting at all? Well, I actually didn't see anything interesting. Even though initially I thought it was interesting. But after all, I came convinced that they were just testing the latest technologies. Possibly even prototypes. All types of unmanned surveillance platform and so on. So that was in 1990. I'm still interested in this topic.
33:27 But I don't see any credible evidence that Area 51 has anything to do with alien technology. Yes. One thing that... That Lou Elizondo recently said. Very recently. In fact, I think it was this last week. He said that a lot of the... And this is to your point. A lot of the cover-up has been due to financial interest. Because there has been things that have happened. And he didn't say specifically where. Because he's trying to maintain his security clearance. But there has been things that have happened supposedly. Let's say in... Different well-known sites like Roswell maybe. That became of a significant interest to people.
34:21 And now there's economic... Huge economic things about this area that helped that city. And so it would be in the best interest of people in that city. The governance there. And not only just that. Just one example. And so he says... To reveal all this. And people realize that some of this stuff was fake. And dare I say. And it might not be. But it might be. Would be... Would anger a lot of people. But he says we need to have that conversation now before it rots any further. And I find that statement fascinating. Yes. The reason I am very skeptical about the Roswell incident.
35:12 Is that there's no way that a physical object or a physical entity can maintain its physicality by traveling at high rate of speed from any point in the universe to this earth. It's impossible without the absolutely change. You know fundamentally changing the physicality. And so this... This is the reason why. And many of the top scientists in this world also concur that the distance is one of the greatest problems of this belief that they have come here. It's just unless they come here through yet unknown things like instant materialization. You know. And this is what they are. Even though many people seem to claim to see these objects taking off in a distance at a high rate of speed.
36:22 It's not that they are flying. It's just they are dematerializing. And so it's very important to get all these points that this phenomenon has the capability of not coming here or flying here. But have the capability of... Of suddenly materializing into this dimension temporarily at that. And so, you know, I wrote an article saying that for some reason this phenomenon is able to materialize and dematerialize and could appear to a preselected observer. And this is the reason why I came to the conclusion. That not everybody sees these things. It's somehow these things seem to appear to a preselected observer or group of observers at some preselected location for some strange reason or other.
37:29 And so there are so many strange things about this phenomenon. But if people can read my article that I wrote about this. This very highly unusual aspect of this phenomenon. That it takes a form of a preselection. And I believe that people that are not shielded spiritually can be deceived by this phenomenon. Right. Absolutely. Well, yeah. Where can people read that article that you... People can read the article at my blog site because I have written many, many articles about this entire phenomenon, as well as about Area 51, as well as about the so-called strange area of New Mexico, such as the Dulce area.
38:37 But people can read about it by going to... NorioHayakawa.wordpress.com. Very good. Yes. And so I have written many, many fascinating articles. And I've posted a lot of fascinating things because I live in New Mexico and Albuquerque here. And Albuquerque is a location of a very important military. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It's a very important military testing area called the Manzano Sandia base within the Kurtland Air Force Base. And so it seems like everything seems to have happened around 1947 when the Department of the Air Force was created, as well as the Central Intelligence Agency was created. National Security Agency was created.
39:35 All took place around 1947. And so I have lots of very... relevant articles on my blog site that people can read and the you know all the answers that people are looking for could be found in some of these articles and i encourage people to uh read it now because i don't claim to know everything in fact far from it but i'm very realistic in many ways and i maintain both my two legs on the ground when i discuss all of these things and so many of my writings and articles are based on what i perceive to be reality physical reality but my articles i admit that not everything in this world is physical only there are many things in this world that we don't understand that exist and this is where it's so important to maintain uh your uh christian belief uh in all of this absolutely absolutely yeah and and speaking of the spiritual versus physical um since we are both christian we we talk about our our basis is is based on the bible what i think is uh fascinating about this whole topic is that um these entities angels basically some fallen some not um uh can appear and uh they can be physical or ethereal i guess is the word something that is not so physical or um and we know that in the bible because they well angels have appeared to men a long time ago and they broke bread with them jesus ate fish after he was resurrected in his glorified body and so it makes me wonder to me if these beings are um or or somehow can break the laws of physics through their spiritual uh realm but they are physical just like me you and you and in some way this is the reason why i like to use the word paraphysical which denotes both the physical and the non-physical and their ability to interchange at will you know but uh this the physicality of these entities do not last forever in fact their duration is very short uh maybe a few seconds a few minutes at most uh you know uh for the most part yeah so i encourage you to do that and i think that's a very important thing to do and i think i encourage people to read uh these articles especially about the pre-selection because this is about deception but you know all of these things will be used in the distant future when i believe that uh the uh everything will be revealed and there will be a so-called uh you know terrible period that will come in the future that will deceive the entire world and there will come uh one entity that uh will uh forcefully control everybody for a short period of time and so i don't want to really get into this too much uh right now but i'm a firm believer that in the future there will be a one world forced global governance uh you know orchestrated by the uh by satan and uh you know uh i i don't know when that's gonna be but nobody knows that time but i wouldn't be surprised if this thing happens in our generation or even earlier you know nobody knows except god so we have to always be ready and we have to wear this protection of spiritual protection uh the armor that's the only way to uh overcome this yeah absolutely that we could be lifted up and i believe so wow wow fascinating so so more about your um your life bringing different people to these different government agencies uh or entities or or or facilities i guess is the right
44:32 word have you um have you had any other experiences that are that are interesting while while doing this that you can uh talk about yes because uh you know i live in new new mexico and i know a lot of native american people who live in new mexico especially in northern new mexico i have been dealing with the hikari apache people uh and their reservation in northern new mexico because for many many years they have been living in this area we have had a whole lot of uh there's uh a lot of strange incidences in these areas uh populated by native american people uh that seemed to experience a strange phenomenon and i'm a firm believer that yes even though there may not be such thing as a physical underground alien or u.s collaborated alien base known as uh commonly referred to as a or popularly as the Dulcey Bays. There's no factual evidence that this base exists, but yet around that general area, there have been many reports of strange incidents of unexplainable phenomena, such as people claiming to see strange entities like Bigfoot and, you know, strange phenomenon like the Skinwalker phenomenon, because this area is filled with cultural, spiritual belief of Native Americans, which border on the paranormal activity. And I believe in the existence of such things as the paranormal because, you know, what else can one explain and what, you know, because I've seen a lot of people, I know a lot of Native American folks who have told me of their strange experiences living in that particular area of the Indian reservation of Dulcey, who has encountered these entities who have seen strange lights, but this location is a richly, culturally, rich and spiritually long-held traditional spiritual belief that their ancestors had come from underground. And so this is a region that is filled with such things.
47:16 So in this world, definitely there are strange areas that are manipulated by, you know, paraphysical entities. So, you know, I would say the and they are very easy to 54 of them. This is a very strange place. And you know, that's the reason why I'm interested in this, but I want to know that this is something that's very important, strong belief and and we will not be deceived yeah we have to admit all of these things that these things exist and because it says in the bible that lack of knowledge can also put one into a dangerous situation and so that's why i believe that knowledge is very important and you know knowledge that comes from god and not you know false knowledge that comes from the other side so that's my position right now absolutely fascinating very very good well is i i um i was wondering if you had as any closing remarks uh any any uh specific books are you already mentioned your your blog or any any uh materials that you would recommend people review uh that they can get a hold of or if they wanted to get a hold of you yes how would they how would they do that if they want to get a hold of me all they have to do is just go to youtube and uh type my name you know norio hayakawa on youtube and i have many many many short youtube uh you know presentations and i try to make all my youtubes less than five minutes long and just to cover the main points and uh uh you know i have uh lots and lots of youtube uh presentations that uh some of them have nothing to do with the topic but some of them have to do with the beauty of our state but uh many of the topics that i discuss on youtube are related to this phenomenon from a christian viewpoint even though i don't necessarily come out and say that this is a christian viewpoint because i don't a Christian viewpoint, but I try to give the suggestion that it is. And, you know, I was fortunate to be part of this great documentary called The Alien Intrusion by Gary Bates.
50:17 And I think it's one of the most amazing video presentations that I have ever seen and that I have participated in. And I'm so thankful that God has, you know, put people like Gary Bates to bring this about, the people like Joseph Jordan and, you know, others. And so I'm proud to say that I'm not only proud, but I'm lucky to be associated with this movement so that we can spread this to the folks that still don't know. What to think about it. Very good. Yeah, that's right. I think Joe Jordan showed me that documentary. It was created in 2018, I believe, called The Alien Intrusion. It's a Christian film documentary about what's going on. And it really is fascinating. Very good. Bradley, it's my great pleasure and honor to be on your program. I hope a lot of people will view this. Absolutely. I hope so, too. I think it needs, we need to spread the word about this. And I think it's a fascinating topic that needs more traction to prevent some dangerous perceptions that are going to happen at the end of time. Well, I appreciate you being on the show. And I thank you so much for being with us. And maybe if this thing grows and it gets more deceptive, I'll have you on the show later on.
51:52 Definitely, Bradley. And God bless you. And your audience, too.