🚨Lady Gaga and the Catholic Church's Secret UFO Archives

0:02 Ignition sequence start, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Brad Burnham. We're talking about the stranger things tonight that is in your normal life and we never, ever, ever confuse the word hypothesis with hypotenuse on this program. My name is Brad Burnham and I'm going to be walking you through some amazing stuff tonight, but not just me. Tonight we got a special program because we got people from all over that are going to be on the program with us tonight and I'm going to have everyone unmute their mic while I bring them in here. We got a special program with some of our favorite Discord friends and some of them have a lot of experience behind them, so they're going to provide some amazing, amazing stuff. Why don't you guys all say hello in unison like that's going to actually work. Everyone's got their mics. Mic's muted. Is Debra there today? Hello. All right. Is Eric there? Yep, here I am.

1:17 All right. Is Matthew there? This is Matthew standing by. Is Meredith? Hello, hello. Hello. And is Rokey. Did I say that right? Rocky. Rokey. It's Rokey. Rokey. That's right. Awesome. Yeah. So you guys are the team players. These are the guys that have been helping me out in the Discord, showing me the things that we just, as a team, have been researching this really interesting stuff. Not just them, many other people too, but these are some of the key players that have been in here and I wish I could bring them all up on screen, but you know it's late. We don't want to all be on the program at the same time. But guys, if you are all in your PJs, you're safe. You don't need to have a camera for this program, but we're going to have an amazing, amazing discussion tonight. Let's look over what we're going to... be talking about. So that came up backwards on my screen.

2:12 I hope it's working for you because what we got tonight. Let me look at my other screen here is we got something special at the very beginning. We're going to, it's going to be a surprise. But the first one on the docket actually is going to be the second one is, is this real? We're going to play a little game of is this real because there's been amazing stuff happening on TikTok recently. People have been either posting fake UAP sightings or real. We're going to try to decide which one that is tonight by looking at that. We got UAPs in the news. What's the latest that has happened? The UAP report finally dropped. It's only 11 pages or so, but it's got some still some really interesting stuff in it that you're going to want to know about. And we got Tucker Carlson who did another quick excerpt about nukes and UFOs.

3:03 That's always amazing when someone from mainstream media picks up this connection. That is so so prevalent. And the third one we have tonight is Lady Gaga's UFO secret. Okay. There's a lot more going on here than you realize and it's really strange. Perfect topic for this program. Also, we got the Catholic Church and UFOs. That's going to be next after that. There's some Vatican archives that have been telling some amazing. Should I say facts about this thing also and finally, but not lastly. Oh, lastly. But not the worst I guess is Vatican Library Angelic Encounters. That's really interesting really really strange stuff. But here we go. So let's go into the first one tonight. The first one is going to be this this very well-known guy here.

3:56 Let's look at what he says. And when you stop and think about it, it's pretty extraordinary that we select group of human beings. Because of whatever touched us at some point in our lives are able to sit in a room and come together and actually talk about saving the planet. I mean, it's so almost extraterrestrial to think about quote saving the planet. If you said that to most people most people they think you're just a crazy tree-hugging lefty liberal, you know do-gooder or whatever and and there's no relationship but really that's where we are. So it's always interesting to me when someone uses a word. They shouldn't necessarily use and maybe this guy is is the king of that. I don't know but he's he we've noticed that this UAP thing is very connected with the save the planet mentality and now you got who is this again?

4:58 I know who this guy is, but he looks a lot older than I remember. It looks like Matthew you have your your hand raised. I guess you could say Matthew. Who is this? That would be John Kerry Brad John Kerry. He ran for president back in the day, but he's been a high-profile politician for a very long time. Currently, he is the climate czar and that's right. Yeah, our wonderful climate czar here. He he just kind of spilled the beans a little bit with that comment talking about how it's extraterrestrial. Honestly when I first saw this clip. I was. I was a little floored because I've never used the term extraterrestrial to describe anything other than an alien being in my life. I certainly wouldn't say that this green initiative that they're putting forward is extraterrestrial.

5:53 I think it's very terrestrial. It's very worldly what they're trying to push at the end of the day. I think we just see these little light slipping through the cracks and Yeah, it could even be a little bit of a wink wink nudge nudge for those who are in the know because he said that people are going to think he's crazy for his political views. No, I don't think you're crazy for your political views. Mr. Kerry. I think you're crazy because you probably worship Satan and that's insane. What I think is amazing about this is that it's bipartisan and that's what's happening right here. We're seeing that in Congress. We're seeing that. I mean they even said it in Congress there. They said, you know, I'm glad we can come together and figure out what this thing is and that. We can be bipartisan agreement about this thing or unanimous almost and I think that we're seeing this right now. We're seeing some of the key players come out and perhaps either subconsciously or consciously say, you know this.

6:50 I'm glad we can all come together wink wink keyword in this extraterrestrial type thing that's happening. I'm not seeing any other comments on this at the moment, but I think that's it's just a little strange and it's strange that he should use these specific words in this. Save the planet scenario. Save the planet. Call the call the ETS. Bring the green and the little green men. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, the green liberal green men coming. But let's let's go on to this is one of my favorite things to do. Is it real or is it not? Let's check it out. All right. So let's see on the next docket here. We have is it real? So let's look and see if one of these things that's up here. Is in fact real and we're going to we're going to switch gears just for a second and look at this.

7:45 Tell me what you think after you see this comment on this in the chat. Maybe throw up maybe a red flag if you if you think that it's real or give me a thumbs up if you think it's not real. So let's let's go right now. There's been a mass sighting of a spherical like object floating through the skies in the United States. Check it out real quick. There's a lot of theories. As to what this thing is. Some people believe in that is a weather balloon or possibly a drone. All others believe that this could possibly be some sort of secret military project or possibly the first signs of alien contact. I know knows for sure what this object is. But in one of the videos you can see what appears to be Jets chasing it.

8:49 I want you to check it out and then leave your opinion about this in the comments. Was that the same thing? I couldn't see it looks like a little black ball that was flying across the screen there, but it looks like it was a little slower than the Jets. Kind of strange. If you ask me. It's anybody in the immediate voice chat in the discord. This is how I'm piping this in here through our discord server and you can access that by going to strange normal.com. No, I'm sorry. Not strange normal.com. There's no strange normal.com patreon.com slash strange normal or you can access our website strange normal.org. And I think I have Eric Eric. I think you are the best one of the best to answer this because weren't you or maybe I maybe I'm stepping your toes and I'm speaking too fast here. Say if you are military or not at one time. No. Yeah, I was I was in the Navy and not, you know, not in a combat role or anything.

9:46 But no, I think this is fake just because I did like a longer clip of that end of video where the thing appears to be chased by what looked to be F-35 lightnings. And to me the reason that I the reason that I say that is that is just too perfect of an angle that that is set up on the other ones. And I know UFOs can kind of appear however, they want to appear. But if you were trying to get a shot at like an air show or something like that of planes coming at you or flying information or chasing that's like the perfect angle that you would want and for him to be just set up on a random road and then for the ticket to both the UFO and the Jets following at that perfect flight line. I don't know. I think it's fake personally. All right. All right. What do you what do you think Matthew? Are you also military? Can you say I am I am ex-military as well. I actually served on board the same ship as Eric. Wow, not gonna not going to disclose which ship that was just because I don't have Eric feels about that.

10:52 But who y'all to that ship, right? We all love that ship, but yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Eric here. I think that this is some some good-looking especially that last one with the Jets flying overhead some good-looking. Editing. However, I'm glad that there are at least people who are interested in the UAP UFO scene and they're making waves. They're talking about it at least and they're getting out and people feel like there's something more here. There's something more that's going on than what we're being told the danger there is that people are going to go into the UFO the UFO logist view of things and they're not going to turn to the world. Of God, they're not going to seek the real truth that would give them that peace.

11:45 But at the same time it's it's just good to see things talked about isn't that interesting fake. I would have to I might actually agree with you. It's especially that last one really threw me off because it doesn't look like they got the CGI just right. Well, those those Jets are going quick. But from what we understand about UAP is they can go a lot faster. Than these things and why would they why would they just slow down? I think that's that's a little weird. Another thing is even though they have said they are seeing dark ones and bright ones. I I suspect the I mean what I've seen so far is only thing we've seen and have video of is the bright ones and the silver ones. So I don't think we've seen the dark ones yet that they're talking about those over the war zones and stuff.

12:34 And again, this is just this isn't me speculating about what. They look like or what these things are. We know what these things are. These things are absolutely demonic and we know that because of the the ties to them. Tucker Carlson recently came out and he told us that there is a heavy tie to paranormal activity when these things are around and that's that's in the news. In fact, these things if you get too close to them have produced burns on people. And so we know through a biblical and biblical view that this is absolutely. Not something that that a good righteous being that is spiritual. This is this is demonic spiritualism. And this is what's going on right here. And and it's it's quite evident Rokey. How much I'm just yeah. What the video? What's it? Okay. Yeah. What's interesting is like, you know, like how most UFO videos a lot of times you see that it's like blurry and all that I kind of agree with.

13:38 I resonate with your we were saying because I it feels like it's like two perfect like almost it's almost like could be CGI or something. Like why is it like I don't know but maybe that's just me kind of like a like it's hard to believe things that look like that that could be real. So it's like I don't know either that or I don't know. Yeah, and there's a lot of that going on right now. I'm seeing I'm seeing a lot all over tick-tock all over the the shorts and all this other stuff because it's basically. What's what's going on is it's creators the the authors of these YouTube tick-tock shorts channels all these different things Instagram. They're like, hey, let me capitalize over this and get some money off this thing because this is something that we can use to get more views because everyone's looking for right now. And it's almost as if the devil let's put it into clear words. The devil is doesn't even have to make these things appear because he's got all these things lying for them for money.

14:37 And what does the Bible say about this? That the Bible says you can't serve both God and mammon or money and I see that, you know, if you decide, hey, I want more money in way. I'm going to do is I'm going to deceive people about it. Then you're working for the enemy. That's what you're doing. And so you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself speaking everyone out there before they they they make any more videos like this. Look, we I'm just as interested to see these things as the next guy. Even if I'm spiritual. Minded and a Bible believer, but that's at the same time. If you see these things, these things are landing. These things are showing up. They are being beings are coming out of them, which we believe is going to happen someday. The Bible clearly says these things will happen and it will it will be a complete deception.

15:27 And when it does do not go there. Do not watch it because you will be deceived by it. One hundred percent. We go into that in the programs that previously many, many times. And and everyone should be quite aware of that. Seeing no more comments. I'm seeing a lot of people commenting here in the in the chat. I'm seeing a lot of red flags. Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button because you can't chat in the live chat unless you are a subscriber for one minute. So you have to be a subscriber for one minute before you can chat. And I'm seeing a lot of this enjoy says, is that a black dot on a zip line? And yeah. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. Flying false signs and wonders. Great comments guys. Let's if you want. Let's move on to this next one.

16:21 What we got here. We have Lady Gaga and the UFO secrets. So before we get straight into that, I'm going to introduce the main serving main serving the main course today. It's going to be something really interesting. Because we have a we're going to kind of do a reaction, but it's going to be long reaction. We're going to bring up someone else's podcast someone else's podcast. It's a very very good podcast and I've seen I've seen it done professionally and it's by Ryan Graves. Now, if you know who Ryan Graves are and you've been watching this program for a while, maybe you've just been in the news. He's been on 60 seconds. He was a former pilot one of the my military friends can tell me what. Plane he flew probably but it was one of the fighter pilots and he said we saw these things. I quote you. This is what he said.

17:13 We see these things every day. These UAPs we're seeing these this manifestation the spiritual manifestation every single day. And because of that he has started his own podcast. It's got one podcast and a trailer and we're going to be analyzing that because he is interviewing the. One and only Stanford professor that's into this stuff and studying this stuff from a science perspective. And I learned a lot from his interview with him. It was it was a quite insightful including this Lady Gaga thing that I was. I was quite fascinated that so let's play the little trailer about this guy and his beginning of his podcast. So you can kind of see what's going on and why he started in the podcast.

18:02 That's that's probably the most most telling pause here. For commercial break. Just kidding. Here we go. No, just kidding. I'm out of order. This is going to be this is going to be a Tucker Carlson talking about nukes first and then we'll get into the podcast. Here we go. So history is recorded. The first big UFO sighting in the United States is 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico very famously right outside Roswell, but actually there was in some sense a bigger and more significant event sighting two years before also, New Mexico at exactly the moment. The US government was detonating the first atomic weapon shortly thereafter used in Japan and witnesses on the ground saw some kind of object shaped like an avocado. They said crash land. It was inspected by a lot of locals their beings inside they said and it was carted away by the US government.

19:03 Now people don't be called crazy. So no one said too much about it for quite some years, but people within the US government believe it's true and they believe it so strongly that now as of this week, the Defense Department's annual spending bill will require as per Congress, the Pentagon to go back and investigate what really happened. Nick Pope is a former UK Ministry of Defense official who's followed this every closely. He joins us to assess Nick. Thanks so much for coming on. So this is a story that most I think Americans are not even aware of but clearly people within the US government believe it's real or they wouldn't have attached this to a spending bill, correct? Correct. Yes. It's called the Roswell before Roswell and you're right people with some knowledge of these intelligence programs who've been briefing Congress about this made sure that this was put into the legislation and it's some it's one of many UFO provisions in the new defense bill.

20:03 The DoD must provide Congress with a list of everything. They found out about this this specific incident, but all other incidents and programs from January 1st 1945 onwards. And anyone involved in these programs or with information about it will be released from their secrecy oaths and non-disclosure agreements and they'll be able to testify to Congress about this. So here we have the nuclear connection again. This was around the first detonation in human history of a nuclear device subsequent to that. You've had UFO sightings at nuclear missile bases around nuclear-powered aircraft carriers to compare with submarines. There's a clearly some nuclear. I mean, I don't pretend to understand but nuclear has some connection to these. Sightings know that seems to be the case. And again, Congress is demanding answers on this. We had the latest report from the office of the director of National Intelligence last week that highlighted the fact that there were several hundred more sightings being investigated military sightings than we'd heard of before talked about unusual flight characteristics and performance parameters of this and yeah, we must get to the bottom of this UFO and nuclear connection.

21:17 Yeah, I mean, I would think it feels like we're getting closer. I hope Nick Pope. Thank you for your work on this appreciate it. Thank you. This is where it gets kind of dark folks because I always bring up that this is a strange connection. That's this new connection to this whole thing because there's something going on here. This has come up so many times so much in the media that I think it's worth mentioning even experiencers people that have had these so-called alien abduction visions. That believe something physically happened to them. This is this is something that they've also said when they've been brought on the ship. There's two things mainly that happens. They've been told about a terrible apocalyptic thing that's coming primarily with nuclear weapons and number two that Jesus is not actually who he says he is. Now, why would an alien come all the way from across the Galaxy to tell you about your religion and that something that you can't stop is going to happen?

22:15 It just doesn't make sense. And so what I believe is happening is the spiritual realm is setting up something apocalyptic something that would be earth-shattering and we know it's we know it's going to happen. Something's going to happen at the end and Revelation tells us that there is going to be a time when the devil sets up a period where we try to attack a coming God in that something. I don't remember the exact verse. I know I've said it before. I don't have it right in front of me, but it's a spur-of-the-moment fascinating stuff though. And Tucker Carlson is again talking about 1945. I think it was which is when they detonated the first nuclear weapon. I think near Roswell and everyone knows Roswell is one of the first places that everyone thinks that a UFO was crashed whether that was a tick-tock deception or if it was just a one tick-tock deception will not know Deb.

23:20 You have a comment on that. What do you think? That what he's talking about is back around the time where Jack Parsons was starting the jet propulsion laboratory and creating jet fuel like and he was straight up devil-worshipper. Was he was friends with that? Oh, yes. He was friends with L Ron Hubbard that that's a great topic that we'll have to cover sometime but he would try to summon pan the God pan before rocket launches. Yeah, so he was a and that was you know, just like shortly before Roswell. Wow. And so this is while they were creating the the the Rockets that we're supposed to what? Yeah. The early NASA like pre-NASA. Yeah. In fact that car or Jack Parsons was a in quite the communication with Warner von Braun when he was a teenager.

24:29 Huh? So they all kind of knew each other. Yeah now interesting, huh? Yeah, so that's that's I'm going to have to study that if you can put that into the into the general. I want to put some of these names down because we're going to look them up. Later and try to fit the story together because that's what we do here on strange normal. We we try to fit all the lore everything that has passed us up as as Christians. We look at this topic and previously we were like, well, this is nothing to do with the Bible and this is all a spiritualism. We're not going to touch this anymore. But when it comes in and it touches the Bible as we ever we see it's going to try to do away with Christianity. The true Christianity Revelation 14 says that it's those who. Keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ that are ultimately the ones that are the Saints Bible calls and 13 chapter just before that talks about how this whole thing.

25:28 Satan rallies the troops to have them kill the Saints kill them because they don't worship. I think that's interesting. Deb you have a comment. Yeah, they tried to they tried to create the whore of Babylon Jack Parsons did. He was very much into the whole end time thing. How did he want it to be beast and how did they create the whore of Babylon? I mean, how I was my allowed to say whore on this channel. I don't know. Well, it was through sex magic. All that a sex ritual that they were trying to and he thought he did it's quite the story. Wow. Wow. Okay. Yeah, that's going to be something that's going to be it sounds like a whole nother show that we need to do on that topic. I tried to dig in and understand that the whole you know thing before Roswell.

26:21 Yeah, that definitely fits right in there with him. Stay tuned folks. We got we got quite a lot of content to dig into and a lot left to and I got at least five guests lined up that we need to discuss that. I had to go call back tonight. Like I said, I need to dig into this topic of what Tucker Carlson. Was saying a little bit further because I didn't know that whole idea that that this is where the the first nuke was was detonated. That's that's that's something but on with the show. I think we got actually the correct lineup of things. Now instead of going to Lady Gaga, we went to UAPs in the news because that was what's next but we're going to go to the whole intro to the podcast. Now the main course because that's that's, that is what's up.

27:16 So let's check this out. My name is Ryan Graves and I used to fly one of the world's most advanced fighter jets. The f-18 Super Hornet in 2014. Our sensors regularly detected unidentified Aerospace Phenomena or UAP in our working areas off the coast of Virginia Beach. There were so many out there that we even had to cancel our training missions by 2021. There were 11 documented near misses with UAP since our sightings. I've kept asking about our experiences. To continue the conversation. I've created merged podcast exploring the phenomenon through the lens of pilots scientists and innovators to enable rational science first yet radically open-minded exploration of the phenomena and the efforts underway to understand it. This is an engineering problem not sci-fi more than just a podcast. Merge is for people ready to make a difference on the UAP topic. We're creating a platform for pilots past and present to share their experiences together. We'll move this forward buckle. Up Brian.

28:21 I know you're going to watch this because you have a channel about the same size as mine right now and you've just started so you're going to explode but I just want to say number one. We are not against you. We are for you. I'm so glad you're watching this. I'm so glad that you you have taken the time to really research this and I want to invite you to go and watch my documentary called Starfall go to Starfall movie.com because it's vitally important that we understand this from both sides and I realize that you have. Probably had a dose of fascinating facts and I believe they're 100% facts, but this is going to become a much bigger deal much more spiritual deal in the very near future and everyone needs to understand this from all aspects and so this is my appeal to you that you go go to Starfall movie.com and finish the 30-minute documentary just check it out. Look at it. This is a this is an interesting topic and stay open-minded because there's a lot. To know. So let's dig into his guest tonight, which we're not here to to decrease any of his ideas because I think his ideas are very valid.

29:32 But I think it's it's also very important that we understand both sides of this topic. And so I'm going to go ahead and play the next scene because it's in we got to see the next scene and understand what the whole podcast is about. So here we go. Hi, my name is Ryan Graves and I used to fly when the. Gary Nolan is the director NHLBI proteomics Center and professor of microbiology and immunology at the Stanford University School of Medicine. Dr. Nolan received his PhD from the Department of genetics at Stanford at the herzenberg laboratory and his BS in genetics from Cornell University. He was a post-doctorate fellow in the laboratory of Dr. David Baltimore at MIT and Rockefeller University is the author of over a hundred and twenty peer-reviewed papers and holds numerous issued patents and was recently. Honored as one of the top 25 inventors at Stanford University. So he's he's quite the guy I mean and we've talked about him on this program before and he is quite decorated in as far as science goes and he is truly fascinated by what's going on here.

30:44 We're going to find out exactly why by looking into some of the spiritual aspects of this from from from his podcast here. So without further ado. Now that you have been introed or we are diving further into the rabbit hole. Here we go. Who do you think that opposition is do you think there is just a general skeptical crowd inside that thinks that this is a waste of resources. Is that kind of the type of person that you think this would be or the group? Well, I mean without getting all conspiracy conspiracy minded, you know, there are of course those people who are on the inside who as you say, they don't want to see wasted resources. But also, you know, this is an existential change in how it is that humanity sees itself and so whether or not your religious or whether you're a religious changing where you are in the hierarchy of things is an important change in your psychological structure.

31:41 So there's always going to be push back on that mentally but also, you know, also there's the crowd effect that happens individually as I find for instance in the sciences individually. I can talk to a scientist and they're all open on the idea and they want to know everything about it. But in the crowd they become another person and so I think there's a little bit of that kind of a psychology going on and so what is he saying here? He's saying that there is opposition, right? There's opposition on this thing and what opposition is that? Well, we've seen that we've seen what's going on inside the Pentagon. There are Christian leadership that Lou Elizondo run into and as Lou left the Pentagon a bit disgruntled about this. And he was a little frustrated that they wouldn't talk about this. What I think is happening here and I really really wish I could interview one of those higher Pentagon officials.

32:35 I really do. I think it's it would be just fascinating to talk to them a little bit. But what I think is happening is is they have seen the characteristics of this thing much more than the general public has, much more than maybe a step down from what's what's happening here. And they say these things are absolute. Absolutely playing games. These things are absolutely not they're nefarious. They're out to get us and this is not we they've hurt us when we've tried to get close to them when we tried to attack them. Other try other countries have tried to attack them as we have seen in other documentation. And so if these things are appearing, sure you can look into it, but don't don't go try to contact it. This isn't like a Stephen Greer's consciousness type thing where you try to meditate or pray these things into manifestation.

33:34 And that's what people are doing. And that's another reason the church general Christianity knows that these things are not necessarily a good thing. These things are appearing by characteristics that the Bible calls satanic occultic. And even even if you listen to, this Ryan, you can go even to who's the blink 182 guy that kind of started this whole thing. Well, it started, but he kind of started bringing it out. He was a foreman and and running this that guy that guy. He said that there's a very very clear indication that these things are tied to demonic as the Bible says that quote is in my intro bumper. If I haven't already deleted it, you should go back and see it. I wish I had it here too long. Yeah, Deborah says, Tom DeLonge Alia says, yeah, absolutely. That's that's the name of him. So if you if you if you can go and research this a little bit research what the other people say about this, I'm happy to talk to you about this contact me because there's a lot of research that's happening about this and I'm going from place to place city to city.

34:43 Whoever calls I'm coming to do a presentation on this and we'll get deep into it. If it no one has any comments about that. I'm going to move on to the next topic here not topic, but we're going to continue on in his. In his blog. Let's let's see. We're still we're still hopping along getting down to the Lady Gaga part. That was that was really weird to me, but let's let's do it. Let's dive in. Let's see what's going on. So, you know, I'm a pilot or I was I'm not I don't have the the educational pedigree that you have when we approach this topic as as pilots for us is very pragmatic. We're looking at this from an aviation safety perspective. And that's really how I got involved because we're almost hitting these things and we didn't know what to do and we're canceling training. How did you get involved in this topic? Well, a couple of different angles mean the first one was working on that mummy that people thought was an alien and I looked at that and I was intrigued and I said well, okay, you say that but okay, who's doing the science to prove it?

35:49 Well, I can do the science. And so that was when I reached out to the people who had it and, uh, got access to some material from it. We did the studies. We published it. We showed it wasn't and that's fine. And I did something very similar than an alien. It wasn't an alien. It was it was an unfortunate probably preterm birth with a lot of genetic anomalies because that's what you need to do with these kinds of things. If you can do it and is easy enough, you need to bring in and make a final statement about some of this stuff. And so for me, and this is an this is the honest way that I was going about it for me. The the the doing of that study the undertaking of that study was because I really wanted to send a flag up as I we were talking earlier a smoke signal to the scientific community at large to see what other scientists are able or willing to come forward. Now that there's somebody willing to be out there talking about this kind of thing openly because and part of what drove me were discussions. I'd had with other. Scientists earlier on who told me that I was going to ruin my career by getting involved in this at any level and to be honest that just got me angry.

37:03 And in fact of anything it got me more determined that I should be doing something about this because they were telling me that something was clearly logical and well within the realm of scientific analysis and study they were telling me not to do it, which to me just said they're more religious and cult like then most I think scientists should be. They just think cult like we're going to talk about that last. Did you catch at the very beginning there how he said that they were canceling training due to the UAP appearing in the sky as he said in 60 minutes every day every day. This was happening. He couldn't they couldn't they couldn't do it during these times when these things were hovering around their most top secret stuff because they were concerned that they were going to run into them or whatever the concern was. We can we know from other paperwork from other countries that they have actually shot at these things and they have ricocheted or turn their bullets or grenades or whatever they have shot at them around and done serious damage. And so they're like, okay, these things aren't hurting us.

38:04 Let's just leave them alone. We don't want to have anything to do and the fact that they don't want to do. They don't want to do their exercises around these things tells me something serious has happened even though officially the United States hasn't said that that's what it says to me. I don't know what everyone else thinks but I thought that's that was interesting. So what else he said was he got into this whole thing because he thought you know, I was researching this this fetus that was unborn fetus that had some severe anomalies that they were calling alien. Well, that's not the beginning of the story because he says he and then he says that there was a flag. It was a flag to send up in the science community to see if any other scientists wanted to come forward and talk about these things. Because he'll say further on here that he has had experiences.

38:57 He's an experiencer and this experience that he's had is he's kept inside of him and then people have said no you can't talk about that because you will be discredited as a scientist, but he said you know what this this anomaly that I'm studying at least will open the door to talk about this with other scientists. Maybe then I can do it. And it's greatly opened that and we'll see in just a second. And then he said something. Very peculiar then he said the religious point of this whole thing. He says that the close-minded ones are religious. Maybe that these are part of the close-minded religious people and that tells you the the mindset because we all come from mindsets. No matter if we are scientists or not. He's showing his bias here and he's not just going just by the facts. He's saying you know what these people these religious people they are they have them. They they they go by a mindset that this thing is bad and for good reason.

39:59 We have good reason to prove that watch Starfall go to Starfall movie.com for more information on that Matthew you have something you want to add. Yeah, just on that last portion when he was talking about the religious and cult-like atmosphere. I don't necessarily know that he was referring to actual religious people. I think he was talking about the scientific community as a whole. Because if you put it in context with what he was saying he was afraid to come forward. He was being told that his reputation could be ruined. He was talking about the scientific community and I think in some ways I can agree with him that there is a science is oh, it's a new religion. There are people who pin all of their hopes to science. We have hope in Jesus Christ that we're going to be resurrected. Well, there are people who have hope in you know nanobots that will sustain them. And definitely that's that's their hope of eternal life. But I can I can sympathize with what he's saying in terms of your reputation.

41:03 Maybe being ruined because I'm sure that we have people in the audience who are in the secular world. They work a secular job and they have these strong religious convictions. And when these things arise, we want to be forthcoming. You know, we don't want to hide the truth. You know, we don't put our candle under a bush. We put it in the window. We let everyone see and we don't do things in secret. We have to follow the example of our Lord Jesus Christ. So I think ultimately what we're going to see is these two viewpoints. This man who is coming out and he's going to espouse ufology. That seems to be the path he's taking. And then there's this other path that says no, this is a deception. It is something weird. You're right to be suspicious.

41:56 You're right to say, okay, there's smoke. There must be a fire. I'm not going to discount anyone for that in their curiosity and seeking the truth. It's just you can't let that truth be a falsehood. You can't let that light be at darkness. You have to embrace what is what is really going to ultimately satisfy. So right. But yeah, just just to put that in context. I think. His comments about the religious and cult like people is scientists and the scientific community not actual religious people. That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't catch that because I had tied that back to the Pentagon and Lou Elizondo is his frustrations with being in the Pentagon and and how he had said that that's that's an interesting concept. I'm going to chew on that and when I go back and edit this for the shorts that we have, I'm going to look into that further and kind of place that in the box. Put that in back of my head that that's a that's a really interesting concept. But what what's going on here is I think absolutely what he said is Matthew said was a spiritual war and we see that because these things that are appearing these experiencers that have these experiences when these things appear near them these glowing orbs or whatnot are having these these these these experiences these visions, I guess is what the the Christian Church calls it where everything is very real.

43:20 And so. I and in that things go badly very badly. So I won't go for too far into that anymore right now, but let's look and see what else he says in that to everyone ready. Here we go. To me if you're if you've agreed to be a scientist, you've agreed to a certain set of rules about how you explore reality or nature. And if you're breaking some of the basic tenets of those rules, then you need to be disciplined. And so for me it was part of this impetus was this is something that I should be doing or because I should I don't like people telling me I shouldn't be doing doing something when I know it's right. And so that brought me to the attention of a number of other scientists who actually were there who had been doing this kind of work for decades as it turns out and you know, I could I felt the community growing.

44:23 And it really but everything was going along. I think in a more subterranean manner until eventually Lou Elizondo reached out to me and with others said this is what we're about to release. And I remember basically the day I was in Washington DC. We met in Crystal City overlooking the Pentagon at a bar and he showed me the video of what was supposed to be coming out the gimbal and the go fast videos. And that to me was an energizing moment realizing that okay here it is. This is it. This is you know, whether that is sufficient proof or not. The fact that we knew that it was going to be coming out of the New York Times. I was ready for what was coming and excited about it. I realized it wasn't going to be the end of the story. That was just the beginning of it.

45:13 But for me it was the first thing I sent around to the people the scientists friends of mine who had said, you know, this is something you shouldn't be doing. I said look at this and what's exciting now. Now, fast forward what four or five years later. Now, there's so many of my scientific friends who the first thing they want to ask once we're dispensed with the usual pleasantries about whatever sciences that are doing Gary. What's going on about about this? Yeah, see that's that's what's happened. What we're watching right now is history being made because this this is the beginning of scientists going out and saying, you know what this is not a thing. We want to look at turn that around. And now they're saying absolutely. We need to look into this now that the stigmas gone and it's not going to wreck my career because this thing has been hidden for and growing in plain sight and creating evangelists out of this whole thing for quite a while.

46:09 One of the things I thought he was it was interesting. He said was that there's rules and tenants of these rules must be kept by scientists and hold that thought. Put that in the back of your head just for a second. And we're going to we're going to dig further into that as this goes along because that's going to be very important. Any comments from the from the nope, no comments. Let's go stuff. I really want to hear. Well, do they want to just hear they want to do something about it? So yes. So Sean Parker who funds my lab the Napster Facebook Sean Parker funds my lab through through his immunotherapy of cancer. Foundation. He actually put down a fair amount of money at one of the conferences that he ran for me to have a basically the an evening of talking about this matter.

47:09 Flew in Lou Elizondo. We brought in Chris Mellon via zoom. Lady Gaga was at the back hidden. And and I know he put a fair amount of money into this now. Every time I hear that I think what what why okay? We've heard many different celebrities and Roger Martin. No one talks about this to how at the end. There will be many well-known faces that come out and they start talking about this stuff. And they start calling upon these things through meditation and all this stuff. This is actually a few. If Ryan if you're still watching this look up Roger Mano. He's got a three and a half hour video on YouTube old guy. He's he's had quite an experience his life story.

48:01 You got to see what he says about this. This is incredible. And and and and so I think it's really interesting that we have not only just Lady Gaga involved in this. She's interested in this. She's sitting in the back. Why has she had an experience about this too? Why would she want to know about this of all people? She's she's a music star. I mean, I think a lot of us would be interested in this no doubt. But the fact that she's so interested that she has to sit in the back of these meetings tells me something. There's also I can't think of the other celebrities names are. There's at least two others that are very prominent besides Tom DeLonge that are have their own show about this too. And influential people are definitely going to be a part of this Matthew. You have a comment. Yeah, I just I do think it's interesting that Lady Gaga and other musicians and the actors celebrity types would be interested in this phenomena because I think they understand the spiritual aspect of it more than some of these ufologists.

49:11 They in a lot of cases and this is a different things that that you can watch you can look out for there's a lot of occult stuff. In Hollywood in the music industry. You see it everywhere. Yeah, my good friend Eric. He even sent me curtain call to from Eminem. I mean just look at the album cover for that. He's got the sign of the horns up on his forehead. He's obscuring one eye. It's you know, these things don't just happen by accident and they're doing it all the time. So we know what kind of spirits there and in contact with and who they communicate with. And it's the same beings that the ufologists are trying to get in touch with and I'm sure because there's a strong communication going on there.

50:00 There's a little bit of a nudging on that side that says like, you know, I don't know how it works. But say there's like a demon assigned to Lady Gaga and you know, she's communing with it or whatever. It's like hey, you know go go check out the ufologist stuff like that's going to be a big thing. We're going to you know, we're going to work through this and we want you on the ground floor. Especially. As one of our disciples that's just that's my two cents. I think that's why you're going to see more and more of these people who you think huh? I didn't think they had anything to do with with the UFO deception. Well, if if the deception is so great that it's all encompassing then realistically, we're just looking at this this massive roster of demons that are fooling so many different people on so many different levels. But ultimately, that goal is to bring them all together and to unite them as one.

50:56 And that is the goal and and I want to want to comment on some of these stuff. You said just before that because I've been on both sides of this and I realize if there is someone that's not in the church. That's not well read in the Bible. Maybe you consider yourself a Christian but and and I still do consider yourself yourself a Christian, but you don't know about the symbology. You don't know about all this other stuff that's going on inside Hollywood. It's absolutely ridiculous. You should check out little light Studios on YouTube. They actually cover a lot a lot of the symbology and a bunch of other stuff, especially Mikey Jenny's topic or talks. He goes into deep and Scotty does too and it's it's very interesting. I wouldn't say you can you can absolutely pin down these things on the symbolism because we all accidentally. Say things accidentally make hand gestures and all this other stuff.

51:55 I've been accused of that just because I put my hands the wrong way together or whatever and then people man. It just drives me up the wall when someone's like see I knew it you scratched your eyeball. Come on, but at the same time you see these things happen and it's overt and then you go. Why did they do that? What was the point of putting that symbol up there? And why would you have a picture of? This that's a very biblical inside something that you don't even consider biblical. People put two or two or three things together and they think okay, there's too many coincidences going on here. That's when it becomes kind of kind of strange. And so and that's all I'm going to say about that because I think little light Studios, which is not connected with this channel.

52:43 They they do a better job of that full disclosure. I work for them, but this is my passion project strange. Normal. Let's jump in to the next topic. Unless someone has a a comment real quick. Let's see what we got. No comments. We lost one. See what's going on guys because I think so. Go ahead. Sorry to interject Brad. Yeah, we we did lose someone. I think Eric disconnected but okay if you could re-invite him he's available. Oh, he can't get in. No, I don't think he can get in because the lounge is locked. Let me unlock it and hang tight. This is what happens when it's a live show. You just never know what's going to happen next or the first time doing this. So hold on. We will absolutely that's why I'm getting a bunch of dings, right?

53:34 And he's like what's going on here? Give me let me back in. We're going to unlock that and let let let them back in. That's really strange. Well, I guess we'll just unlock it there. Hold on everyone. Hang on. Okay, it's unlocked save changes. And you should be able to get back in. Let's get back into the program. Let's let's view that next clip. You guys ready? Here we go. Hopefully this is the one or I can skip ahead and even scientists friends of mine.

54:23 I talk about it. Oh, yeah, we all believe in the gym. Oh really? Yeah. No, I mean, it's fascinating, you know, and then you know, you don't have to go far over into Buddhism and all the rest. They already explicitly believe in this. Why is not everybody interested in what I think is one of the most interesting things ever and that? You have this conversation with me because it doesn't put the bread on their table. It doesn't change their lives. And if it does, and frankly, I think that with what would happen, there were some sort of disclosure of something people would be, you know, it'd be in the news for a few months. And then we go back to the business of bashing each other over the heads with whatever is closest, you know, I don't think it's going to it's going to create a Kumbaya moment. Personally, you know, somebody else can say otherwise, but it will change the discussion about. Well, why are we spending so much money on military hardware? Right if because we're all worried about basically in the implosion of the planet, you know, at least ecologically and otherwise you look at whatever this might be and you realize it made it past the inflection point.

55:31 It is proof that you can make it past that inflection point. And so. And so that might change thinking a little bit. I mean, I'm not going to get even into the religious implications are, you know, probably the first thing that some religions will say is, well, who is their God? Do they have the same God? Interestingly, the Catholic Church has actually already come out and say we're perfectly fine with aliens and maybe they have their own and actually the some of the Vatican intellectuals have said, well, maybe they have their own personal Jesus. Isn't that a song? You know, so I mean, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, right. So for instance, with the Vatican, there are they've already publicly said we're perfectly fine. If there are aliens, it doesn't mean that they don't have souls.

56:23 So, you know, one of the major religions on the planet has been, you know, very forward about this. One of the other major religions, the Muslims and the Koran, the Koran explicitly talks about the jinn. And these things that are between the angels and humans that actually live with us, they explicitly and it's interesting. So for people out there who have friends of Muslim faith, ask them about the jinn. Ask them about the jinn. Interesting. Okay, we're having a crisis here in the discord. Everyone has to stop chatting, otherwise I keep hearing... So, quiet down now. I'm back in the chat. I see that we… We had a little bit of a disconnect there, so we are back, but isn't that interesting? I'm just going to intro that real quick, and then I'll pass it to you, Matthew. I think that he's correct in saying the Catholic Church has already said something about this.

57:22 They've already said that they would baptize an alien, that they think that, you know, if they have their own personal Jesus, then that's great. Isn't that fascinating? Almost as if the Catholic Church already knows, or do they? So I think many religions are going to jump on board. The Bible says, and if you really look into the Revelation, it says that this whole thing at the very end becomes a very spiritual worship problem. As you see in Revelation 13, about midway through, it says that the worship of the beast will be the issue. And these things are setting themselves up to combine ecumenically, if you know what that word means. Combine religiously with another power, and then push out this problem to the rest of the world. You watch. This is what's going to happen.

58:17 This is absolutely what's going to happen. This spiritual deception is going to grow and grow and grow until finally you see this happen. So, Matthew, if you want to say something about that. Uh-oh. Oh, there we go. Okay. Well, I think it's very interesting. Oh, you're back. For some reason, my audio wasn't coming through. I apologize about that. But that's what happens. No problem. I was watching the live stream. So, I know there was a bit of a delay. So, there was a moment of silence there. Excuse that. But in your bumper, before the show starts, there's a little clip, and it talks about how a priest at the Vatican said they would be willing to baptize an alien. And I just don't know why that didn't strike anybody. I mean, obviously, they're not biblically based.

59:08 So, they don't have this notion. But why would an alien be baptized when Jesus Christ died for humanity? You can't be baptized into that. It's not for you. Jesus manifested as a man. He didn't manifest as whatever they're going to claim to be. He didn't die for angels. Specifically, that's what the Bible mentions, is that he didn't die for angels. And that's exactly what these are. They're fallen angels, but he didn't die for them. Right. So, they can't be baptized into. Jesus' church. It's an impossibility. Yeah. And it's bad theology. It is. And they're not going to present themselves as angels, though. They're going to present themselves as beings from far distant galaxies, coming to Earth to tell of an impending destruction, unless we do something proper to avoid it.

1:00:01 And we're going to see this happen. This is something that has been said many times by many, many different people that have been in the cult. Marneau, specifically, in very... vocally, maybe even verbosely, again, pushing that video. Go watch that video. It's really interesting. The thing that they're going to say the most about this whole topic is that we have joined spiritualism, joins with the old beast, which is Catholicism. It's the Roman power, the same one that took Jesus out, and combine that with a apostate Protestantism. This is going to be made more fully obvious in my next documentary, because I need to go into this further to really extrapolate what's happening here in Revelation, and how this ties into the days we are living right now, absolutely 100% of the time.

1:00:58 We're going to see this happen. It's going to be incredible. But we're seeing... What I'm seeing is this can't be brought up. This topic can't be brought up unless spiritually. Spiritualism is brought with it. Eric, you have a comment? Yeah, something that caught me was how he mentioned that this disclosure, and I'm kind of paraphrasing here, was going to cause people to reevaluate things like defense spending or how it relates to climate change. And I think it's important to remember that this is all part of the Great Deception, and anything that's coming out in the mainstream, it's being disclosed for a reason, so that they can control the narrative. Because there's been people talking about... There's been people talking about UFOs and UAPs for decades now, but they've been moved to the fringe. It used to be that in the tabloid section of the supermarket, it was all UFOs and stuff like that. Now that's gone away, and now it's mainstream.

1:01:57 And so I think anybody who's looking at this and trying to piece it together, we need to ask the question, why? Because it's not an accident. Yeah, it's not an accident. And whether or not... And this is a topic. I often say quickly about this. There are conspiracies, and there are angelic conspiracies. So whether or not you believe that there is a physical group of people that are conspiring to do this, which I think you allude to, Eric, or you can take it as there's absolutely a physical, dare I say spiritual, entities that are conspiring to do this. They, I'm going to use my finger quotes, whatever you choose to say, spiritual or physical, are absolutely... They are absolutely planning this. And so however you believe, you need to think about it that way. There are beings conspiring against us.

1:02:50 And as Christians, this is the final showdown. And that's what's happening. We're watching it happen. You need to be very aware of this whole thing. Let's move on to the next quick clip here and see exactly what's going to happen next. This is the one about the djinn. And even scientists, friends of mine, I talk about, oh, yeah, we all believe in the djinn. Oh, really? Yeah. No, I mean, it's fascinating. You know, and then, you know, you don't have to go far over into Buddhism and all the rest. They already explicitly believe in this kind of stuff. And many of the Indian religions are perfectly fine with all of these things that might or might not be here. So, you know, as... But look at it from the point of view of, let's say, a relatively primitive...

1:03:41 primitive human tribe or whatever, seeing these things, of course, they're going to ascribe supernatural abilities to them. And so maybe again, the things that we have peopled our religions with in the form of spirits or gods or what have you, are really just these things showing themselves as they appear to be now. I'm going to pause it right there for a second, because I think there's a lot to talk about, even in that just that clip right there. You get the idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so close to the truth and he's right this thing is a very spiritual spiritual thing that happens and uh this uh we have seen in past programs how um native americans have uh have said that these things these balls of light appear to them we have seen how um like he just said all these different tribes buddhists hindu you know they all have these ideas of spiritual implications of this but where he falls short here is he's calling it the god of this religion which is really fascinating to me because this is exactly where this topic is going and i don't think something came down to him and this is this is uh to all my conspiracy minded friends here i don't think something came down to him and said hey look you need to go on this program you need to present this as a a worshiping spirits type thing you know he came up with this on his own but influenced absolutely by this by the spirits and he may not even know it that's the whole definition of deception it might have been a dream it might have been a quick thought we have seen in the past how these things can absolutely uh encourage thoughts put thoughts into your head put feelings into your head and so the fact that he's pushing the agenda without even knowing it is just a little seeing in the background of what's actually going on here he is uh he's pushing the agenda of these things and doing what is going on and so he may not be going to go out and just listen to the superstervices of himself uh or uh those the the people where he's going and so he's pushing the agenda as he's doing it but saying i'm seeing everything in this world i'm seeing the world but And her book, American Cosmic, explicitly goes into this about how her, let's say, conversion into being interested in this was her looking at what she called the ecstasies of the saints.

1:06:24 So she was studying the ecstasies of the saints, meaning the times in which they became enraptured by some sighting or observation that they had where they would be literally in almost like a trance. And she literally, she had access to the Vatican Library, which not many people get access to go down into the catacombs of the library. And she said, one of the things that really interested me was that the showings of the angels or the showings of God always showed up as orbs of light or things like that. And she began to realize, well, this is today, we see this as, we see these as, we call them UFOs. And it was something, of course, that Jacques Vallée had noted as well, so that she became aware of Jacques Vallée's work, et cetera. But I think what's nice about what Diana does is she writes about it from a very academic, nonjudgmental view of, look, here's the data.

1:07:25 Now, religions have made conclusions about the data, have become set in their ways. And that is, frankly, what sets up this potential conflict amongst the religions. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And they've all come to a conclusion that they're trying to prove the other one wrong. Yeah. And that's, you know, something we want to avoid with the UAP topic right now, obviously. Hmm. We want to avoid with the UAP topic. Interesting that that lady, forget her name, what was her, the author, starts talking about this stuff and says that this whole thing is, oh, I lost my train of thought. Isn't that terrible to do on a live stream? You've got to be in the moment. What do you guys think? I'm going to pass it to my crowd. Can you think of anything about that one that I missed? I completely missed what the main point was. I should have been writing it down. I'm going to ask the chat then. Did you find anything interesting in that topic that will spur my memory?

1:08:21 Because I forgot what I was going to say. And even scientists, friends of mine, I talk about, oh, yeah, we all believe in the gen. There we go. That's what it was. Even the scientists believe in the gen. The scientists believe in the gen? Are you kidding me? What? What's going on here? So the scientists are not Christian, but they believe in a spiritual aspect of things. What's going on? Are they actually of a different religion? They all believe in this type of thing that's happening, but they don't want to assign a moral authority to it. That's what I see is happening here. They want to be responsible to what the Bible says about it. And we're going to find out why in just a second. And again, I'm not knocking him at all when I go into this. But it's... It's really fascinating what's happening. Matthew, what do you think? Just one of the comments he made about how all the religions are trying to disprove one another.

1:09:15 I think you're going to see that play out eventually. For us as Christians, you know, if this does come to pass, if demons manifest as aliens, and they're on the TV screens, and they're meeting with the important people of the world, and the majority of humanity goes along with it and says, yeah, this is the truth. This is what... This is what it is. And there's this small minority, a remnant, you might say, is standing there holding the Bible and saying, no, this isn't what you think it is. And we're doing it in a loving way, too. That's stupid. We're not calling anyone a fool. I mean, this is a deception created by, you know, probably the smartest angel, well, fallen angel that there is. It's Satan himself who has crafted this deception. But it is just that. It's a deception. And when we stand up and we say... When we stand up and we say, no, this is wrong, I can imagine that this man, just based on what he's saying here, would say, you see, there's those Christian people trying to just disprove because they're clinging to their ancient religion.

1:10:19 They're clinging to their book, and they won't give it up. And I think that's when we're going to find ourselves at an impasse because, I mean, we know prophecy. Let's not shy away from it. Christians are going to be persecuted, and persecuted very badly. And I think it arises out of this type of a conflict where there's a dividing wedge, where the majority is saying, this is truth, and that very small minority is saying the word of God. Absolutely. Absolutely. 100%. Eric, you have a comment? Yeah, we have an innate desire, I think, as humans to try to pull back the curtain. We want to know deep down the truth. And what I see happening, especially with this UFO phenomenon, is people, they have an experience, or they know somebody that had an experience, and they start pulling back the curtain.

1:11:10 Well, you know, as Matthew alluded to, this is crafted by Satan. He's putting up the curtain. So we pull, it's like a folded curtain. So you pull back one fold, you think you're, you know, you pulled back the curtain. You're just looking at another fold of the same curtain. Like, it's a nuts and bolts craft. And now we're on to, like, oh, it's an interdimensional being. And I guess, you know, my advice to anybody watching this or delving into this for the first time is, you can save yourself. You can save yourself a lot of trouble by just going right to the, it's Jesus Christ versus Satan, because it always has been. And that's the final curtain. So when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, no pun intended. Wow. Wow. That was powerful. Oh, yes. That's exactly what it is. You go, I mean, it's like one deception after another deception after another deception. And if you try to just peel back each and every onion without cutting it in half and knowing exactly what's going on, you're never going to get to the middle of it.

1:12:02 And you just got to go straight to the Bible. And say, okay, what is really going on here? Because this is it. Unless you have that, then you won't understand it. That's, oh, man. I like the way you said that, Eric, 100%. And Matthew, go ahead. Yeah, this is a piece of scripture that I come back to again and again whenever we're dealing with the great deception. It comes from 2 Timothy 3.13. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. That, to me, sums it up. These people are peddling a deception. There's no doubt about it. They believe in it, and they're passionate about it. It's, as Eric said, they're pulling back the folds, and they think that they're having these grand revelations and that they're getting to some hidden truth. But in actuality, they are also being deceived.

1:12:56 It's a very sad situation, but that's how Satan works. He doesn't come out right and ever show you anything. He obscures. And he lies. And he's treacherous. He's just an evil, despicable being. And when you're on that side of the spectrum, you're never going to get satisfaction from Satan. That is not his role at all. He wants to crush you. He wants to reduce you to nothing. And he wants you blind. He wants you obedient. Yeah, it's a nasty thing. But always lean on that one. 2 Timothy. 2 Timothy 3.13. Everyone just, when you see these people, and if you get angry at them, remember, they are being deceived too. They need your prayer as much as anyone else. 100%. That's actually the point I was going to say too. It's not necessarily that these people, and I hate to put them in a box, because I hate making assertions that, hey, you got these people over here that are right, and these people are wrong.

1:13:59 Although we do know truth is binary. There is one or zero. You're either right or wrong in this situation. And it's going to come to an impasse at the end. You're going to be on one side or the other. But you got to look at it and say, okay, even me as a Christian, Brad Burnham, I can say something up here and be used as a tool by the devil. And so you got to pray every morning. You got to have that devotion and say, you know what? I don't want to be used by the devil today. Please make sure my words aren't used and aren't sharpened. And by him and God, he's more powerful than the devil. And he will use that because it's just like anything else. I mean, unless you have that power, you are absolutely broken and you will absolutely be used by the wrong spiritual entity. And so when I see these people, I see humans. I see us all in the same box.

1:14:57 And I see us and I want to say, hey, look, I know you're not deceiving. I'm speaking directly. If I was speaking to Ryan, you're not trying to deceive anybody. And I think truly you're trying to just figure this out. I see Mr. Scientist up there. He's not trying to deceive anybody necessarily. Personally, I don't think he's part of some Illuminati crowd, perhaps that is doing this, but mainly, usually, and mostly the way Satan does his deceptions is by deceiving the person themselves. So they don't even know they're being a tool. So, hmm, interesting, huh? So let's continue. And we're going to, it's going to really open further what's going on here as we continue down this rabbit hole. Here we go. How old are you, Gary?

1:15:49 62. 62. You're in a same-sex marriage. Do you think that, you know, your experiences as a young adult, as someone part of that community, being told that you were constantly wrong kind of helped shape? Absolutely. On this topic, yeah. I mean, yes, is the short answer. I've often looked back and said to myself, or, I mean, so for instance, there was a time when I was in, I was assistant professor at Stanford, and I wanted to bring my then boyfriend, partner, to a faculty retreat. The chairman of the department called me in and said, well, you can't, you can't do that. Some of the other faculty are, are bothered by it and, and shouldn't do that. And my response, my honest response to him was, what century are you from?

1:16:49 And I just said, that's not going to happen. I immediately wrote a letter to the deans. And one year later, the man was, he took early retirement. And it's just like, I don't know, maybe it's just, but I've always used, I've always used that kind of determination when I know that I'm right, and I'm not hurting anybody. And so that same energy kind of propels me here. It's like, you know, look, I, I don't know what it is, but I know there's something, or it needs to be explained. I mean, John Mack went through this as well. You know, I know it's something, don't need you to tell me what to do. I don't need you to shame me into doing something. And that's what this guy was trying to do. He was trying to shame me. I'm like, I just, I just couldn't get it. It was 19- There's something wrong with you. This was 1994 Stanford. I mean, what's going on? And actually they tried, some of them tried to use it against me in my tenure.

1:17:49 And so they were threatened with a lawsuit and I won. Very good. Well, thanks for standing up for me. But I mean, I think that that's, you know, that's the kind of energy that other people need to use. Mm-hmm. You know, it's, you realize that, again, I don't mean to get a big psychology thing, that shame is used by society to control you. It's a control function. And it's a great way, church uses it, religions use it. You should be ashamed to do that. It's one of the first things you hear when you're growing up. You should be ashamed to do that. It's useful in certain circumstances. But when it becomes a societal control problem, then that's when I think people need to either get together and say, no, I'm not gonna listen to this anymore.

1:18:36 And then reverse the shame. You should be ashamed of trying to do this. Yeah, not being a better scientist, being more- But being a better scientist. And you should be ashamed for not following the rules that you signed up for when you got your PhD. Yeah. So we should shame the people, but we shouldn't shame because shaming's bad. So shame the shamer because it's shame. Look, I wanna be very careful on how I approach this because number one, what was revealing to me is I didn't realize this guy, I was claiming to be homosexual. And I want to speak to the camera as if I'm speaking directly to him, because I truly believe we are no longer at a seven degree of separation anymore, especially with this internet age. And what I see happening here is a guy that's broken and as we all are, and what's happening here is he wants to do what's right and as we all do. But you can't find what's right unless you find the Bible, unless you find who is right, and that's Jesus Christ.

1:19:41 And what I don't understand completely about his whole concept here is that you, he's right, shame has been a big deal. And shame has been something that has been put out by the church to shame people. But that type of shame, he says we should go and we should reverse it and shame them back. You can't say that it's wrong to shame someone and then come back and say that you should go ahead and do it to them, because that's not how it works. And as Christians, we can't go to them and say, well, I see that this guy's wrong because he's homosexual. I understand his predicament now, because he says that he wants to follow the rules, the rules of his science.

1:20:32 And I commend him for trying to follow the rules, but if you don't know who made the rules, you are absolutely going to go down a wrong path. So I encourage everybody who believes that they know the truth in this thing to study further, study, study, study, because it's gonna be a hard topic to completely understand at the end. If anybody doesn't have any comments on that, because I think it's, it's, a hard time,地 if anybody doesn't have any comments on that, because I think it's, a hard time, a good ending to kind of in there but i don't want to quit yet so don't go anywhere we got 70 viewers and we're going to do a giveaway and we're also going to um we're also going to take maybe some phone calls maybe um you've seen the the the rotating banner down there with the the phone uh call on it this is your chance to call in i hope we've never tried this before but if since i have the the discord up on my phone and we're going to receive phone calls i don't know if that's going to work but um we'll see if you guys get disconnected i'm gonna reconnect back uh it doesn't look like it's disconnected here i'm gonna go to the voice uh google voice and see if i can pick that up and enable that phone real quick if uh you do call in if you don't that's fine uh sometimes well we've never had an episode i don't think where someone hasn't called in but sometimes that might be the case too sometimes that might be the case if uh you come over in and you do call in if you don't that's fine uh sometimes we've never had a episode i don't think might happen. So, uh, if you, if you want to call in, you know, the number it's down there at the bottom, two, eight, seven, normal one. You can call that, uh, right now. And, uh, that's only available if you're watching this and it's not live. Sorry, that doesn't work anymore. It only works during this live broadcast. And, uh, if you want to say your piece, I do have control of the volume. I will turn you down if you're crazy, but, um, I also want to continue with a neat thing we got going on right now, uh, which is a giveaway. We have a book piercing the veil. Now I have three of those to send out still from, uh, two or three episodes ago. Piercing the veil is done by, is a book by Joe Jordan. It's a big book. It's not just small book. I mean, this thing's huge and it's got one after the other, after the other, all kinds of, uh, testimonies in there. And, uh, so get your keyboards ready.

1:22:55 We're going to only get a giveaway run one today. Um, and we're going to press a letter on the keyboard, a letter, one letter. It's not going to be W it's not going to be Q. So get, because we've used those in the past. Um, get your fingers ready. We're going to select the letter, which is you're ready. You're ready. P P is in Polly or penguin P penguin. So hit P on the keyboard. Yep. Looks like joy. Got it. That's from what I can see joy. Congratulations. If you haven't already got one, you got it. Um, and you did a capital P no, you didn't, you did a lowercase P okay. Um, man, people. Awesome. Awesome. It's, it's, it's cool. Cause you got, we got this, um, this low latency thing. So I'm only about four seconds behind you. I can actually see what's going on pretty quick. Um, so joy, uh, go ahead and email me bradburnhamatprotonmail.com. I'll put that in the chat. And, uh, send me your address. I'll send all four of those out. Actually, I think five, we have, I have a fifth one going out as well. So, um, I'm going to type my email address in at protonmail.com and I'll send it. And, uh, so that you can see it there in the chat and send me an email so that I can get that book to you. Joy. Um, no calls coming in. That's pretty cool. Um, we have, uh, anybody in the, in the, uh, discord want to say any final comments? Um, we have some amazing, amazing topics tonight and I think, uh, uh, really some cool revelations, uh, throughout this whole thing. So I, I'm glad, uh, I'm glad we got to, uh, experience this together, Matthew. Yeah. I just want to say thanks for having us on to voice our opinions here. Strange normal is a great program. I just want to give my official endorsement to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to the discord. Anyone who's out there in the chat, if you're interested, if you're a regular viewer and you just want a little extra, we're active, we're always having fun. We're chatting it up and, and we love new members. I mean, even if, if you don't want to contribute, if you don't even want to chat, you can just check out the information that's there. I mean, we get so many different videos to watch and go over. There's no way it can all fit into, uh, into the programs because it's just more and more seems to come in every week. So, you know, if you're a fan of sit down restaurants and you generally spend $20 on that meal, you could forego one of those meals during the month. And instead you can use that $20 towards a Patreon membership. You get that tier, you join the discord and we'd love to have you aboard. Yeah. And all that money goes to promote the advertising. We advertise Starfall, their documentary on this channel, and, uh, try to get more members to come and realize this deception. So not only are you getting access to all this information, we got sermons, we get all kinds of different stuff in this discord, but you're also getting, uh, you're also, your money's going to a good cause. It's going to promote and reach more people for something that the church just isn't talking about. It's not going to talk about aliens. That's not what it wants to talk about. And, uh, some of them are, I'm, I'm pleased to go to some churches and actually talk about this deception. This coming deception was spiritualism because that's what it is. It's spiritualism. That's, that's coming and going to just rock the nation. I'm just rock the world. And so all this money goes straight to promoting and reaching souls for Christ. And, uh, you also receive all this information you can get. So, so please, uh, join the discord, go to patreon.com slash strange normal, and, uh, join us in our cause and our fight to, uh, to, to reach others for Christ.

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