0:05 We've only seen the public version so far, but here's what we can tell you. Government investigators seem sincerely baffled by what these things are. Today's report analyzed 144 separate sightings of UFOs by the U.S. military. But in only a single case could the government explain what it was. So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official saying, stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic. Correct. This is a person I respected tremendously. Very, very senior person. He told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop doing this. I said, okay, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is. And I said, okay, sir, so it's ours? And he said, no, that's not what I'm saying.
1:03 He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. And I said, well, sir, I think I know what it is. It says, where are you going with this? And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. And what I've been trying to do is to use the special privilege that I've been given of getting access to a Harvard education and a law school education and with the Jesuits and all the different people and meeting, you know, Baba Muktananda and getting to meet all the spiritual leaders of our people and our planet is to try to develop a really intelligent, sophisticated, spiritually informed, but rationally developed set of policies for our dealing with extraterrestrial civilizations. Both of us, separately, without communicating, we're studying this and going, wow, there is something going on here. Since this is out, it's in Congress, and they're discussing this right now. This isn't conspiracy. Sure, sure. Something weird is going on here. Absolutely. Very eye-opening. A pillar of fire at night and confused Russian troops.
2:33 It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving? Heavenly help. There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship. There was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightning was starting shooting from the sky and like sparks were going, were like spreading everywhere. And then they, on the morning, they discovered that the whole, the whole machinery was destroyed. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders. And Jesus, he warns in the Gospel of Luke, and it's repeated in the book of Acts, chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens. And a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy.
3:28 So we need to know what the truth is, what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated his belief. Pope Francis reiterated his belief. Pope Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently that invite extends even to Martians. We're now less than 16 minutes away. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first, the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, when I met him in 74, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had killer satellites. We were told that they were coming to get us and control us. The dirty commies, that whole story.
4:25 First, the Russians were the enemy against whom we're going to build space, based weapons, then terrorists would be identified. And that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies. We now call them nations of concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would be needing to build space-based weapons. And the next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids against asteroids, we're going to build space-based weapons. So it was funny then. And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final card. And over and over and over, during the four years that I knew him, and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card.
5:21 We're going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is like aliens. And all of it, he said, is like aliens. It's a lie. 14 minutes, 30 seconds and counting. You know, there were no questions that prepared me for what I was about to get into. You know, people often say, oh, it must have been fun. It must have been exciting. No, it was pretty sobering. You know, I liken this conversation to like having a conversation with a loved one about maybe cancer. Now, the good news is the diagnosis looks fine. You're going to recover. But it's a serious conversation. This is something that we are challenging people to reevaluate their philosophical, psychological, sociological, and theological belief system.
6:11 Anytime you ask humanity to do something like that, it usually takes generations. You can't just pivot because, you know, for example, let's just take culture, for example, of a country. It's like an aircraft carrier. How long does it take to turn an aircraft carrier? Well, it takes quite a bit of time and a lot of effort and whatnot. Well, this topic is the same way because we're challenging people to reconsider, if you will, reevaluate their understanding of what they've been told about the universe and, more importantly, our place in it. These so-called alien beings are actually manifesting at times as dead relatives during the abduction experience to challenge a person's belief system as Christian theology in the idea that dead relatives can be talked to or even spoken to or that they're even around to be able to hear what we have to say. No evolutionary or religious belief system shows that this will end well by contacting these things. Evolution says that these things are likely to be superior and so survival of the fittest will destroy us. Religion says that these things are deceptive and dangerous and the evidence, if you want to include all the theory and all the stories of these sincere people, it says they've damaged crops.
7:44 They have mutilated cattle. They've abducted people beyond their will. They've messed with our highest security protocols. They've enabled and disabled dangerous warheads, forced pregnancies, forced surgeries, burned victims, killed pilots, and lied to people. And most experiencers have experienced at least one terrifying alien experience. So to say that these things, they haven't destroyed us yet, so they must be good, is to deny the fact that there might be a universal court saying, these earthlings are protected here on earth. And that's what Christianity believes. The Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs.
8:31 And among other things, the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns, paralysis, and brain damage. The report also says that some people who saw UFOs experienced, quote, perceived time suspension. They also saw ghosts and other spirits. In all, that report lists 42 cases of adverse events. There's 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files and another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases, whatever that means. We've passed the 11 minute mark. Now T minus 10 minutes, 54 seconds on our countdown. But what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief. There is a professor for the Pope's University in Rome.
9:24 And he is a very highly respected intellectual. His last name is Tanzaniti. And he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon, not right in the beginning, we won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning. But there is information coming from another world. And once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia. Mike. T minus 10 minutes and counting. T minus 10. Hear what I'm saying about the nuclear weapons. The UFOs were turning our weapons on.
10:16 And just so Russia could pick up that we're firing our missiles and fire theirs first. It was a big chess game. So these guys went into complete secrecy to start coming up with a defense system against this phenomenon. There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so, you know, I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. There are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet.
11:24 And keep in mind, there are basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe. I mean, you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there. But you've seen this. You've seen the data. Well, no one knows. But I think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else. The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles. What, I guess, in the vernacular, you call them UFOs. We call them UAPs. You know how this sounds. It sounds nutty, wacky.
12:13 Look, Bill, I'm not telling you that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you, it's real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities? They told me that the reason why we're an experiment is because we, right now, are a living, breathing, walking, talking peace treaty. My name is Tom DeLonge. Most people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called Blink-182. I started a company called To The Stars that eventually became To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. We are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma. It's the first time that we had the videos properly declassified. And because of that, then we had information. As far as altitude and speed, eyes on target, different radar systems, different sensors that all corroborated what was happening.
13:30 People start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon. And when they follow what Seeker Machines is going to teach them. And mind you, as we'll talk about this in a little bit, it's not all coming from me. It's coming from other people of the highest places. The term, the occult in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon. And that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men in flying saucers and tinfoil hats. There is a very, very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions and the UFO phenomenon. And what you have is something that doesn't like man. Period. And something that feels either jealous of or... has some kind of plan for what man is to be.
14:35 Over the next 10 years, I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. This is documented evidence. But what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief very soon. Not right in the beginning. We won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning. But there is information coming from another world. And once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the Gospel as we know it.
15:25 And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia. We're now passing the 4 minute, 30 second mark in the countdown. Still go at this time. And the priest told us... Could I have a little bit more of your time? I want to tell you something very fascinating. He says the grain plain, the Master's grain plain, for harvesting the nations, for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil. So he continued, you know, after we expressed ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits. And he said it's going to be done in a unique manner. This grain plain, he says, is going to take people... People are going to eat the stuff. Because he says spirits, demon spirits, will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it.
16:31 T minus 3 minutes and counting. T minus 3. We are go with all elements of the mission. At this time. We just passed the 2 minute mark in the countdown. T minus 1 minute 54 seconds and counting. All indications coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are go. Guidance system goes on internal at 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds.
18:21 T minus 60 seconds and counting. We pass T minus 60. Trees to the universe we were never meant to solve. But who we are and why we are here. Are not among them.
19:53 Ignition sequence 5. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Brad Burnham. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a Biblical understanding of what's going on. And there's going to be a lot going on. So hit that subscribe button. Hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen. Now tonight's episode is very interesting. We've got a lot going on tonight. And we just reached the tip of the iceberg because we got a lot packed into this entire week. But all that happened on our Discord server. And you can access that by going to patreon.com slash strange normal.
20:40 In that Patreon we talk about everything that we're going to talk about on the show and more. For the cost of a simple sit down restaurant once a month you can be involved in this community and helping spread the word about this coming deception. If you don't know what that deception is. Watch StarFallMovie.com. Go to StarFallMovie.com to see that documentary now. I got to change the intro because I always say go to the movie StarFallMovie.com. It's not the movie is not called StarFallMovie.com. That's the website. Whatever. Welcome to Strange Normal. We've got an amazing episode tonight. But we but before we get into it, I want to add in Mikey. Mikey, how are you doing? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Mikey. Mikey, how are you doing?
21:26 Can you Oh, man, you're muted. I don't know how to unmute you. Well, while you're working on wait, I think I can do it. No, no, there we go. That was me. What's up? What's up? And I will also add in tonight we got Joe Jordan from CE4 Ministries here. Or CE4? What did I say that right? CE4, what is it? You're muted. Oh, look at you. CE4 research. CE4 research. That's right. Very good. Yeah, we've got a lot of questions for you tonight, Mr. Joe. This is going to be fascinating because we want to know what you have found in the past about this. We have a Discord group, like the intro said, where we ask people, hey, what do you think about this? And what do you want to ask these questions? And I just sent you over, kind of late, a bunch of questions that have, and that wasn't my message, by the way.
22:23 I sent you over a little bit earlier than that one, some messages in a little image that kind of go over what we're going to talk about tonight. We might get to all of them. We might not, but we'll see. I didn't get to see them. Do you have me on because Mikey couldn't answer them or what? What's up, Mikey? What's up? I'm glad Mikey's here. Me too. Yeah, well, Mikey has been, he's been AFK for quite a while, not at the keyboard. And Aaron is not here tonight. Aaron's usually here, but he has some baby stuff he has to take care of because he's going to have a baby soon. His wife is. So we got some interesting stuff. But before we get into it, I want to look at a clip that you sent me actually earlier this week, Mr. Jordan. Let's look at this real quick.
23:14 And we're going to... I think I broke it up into about four or five parts. And we'll stop it and kind of talk about it a little bit. You, me, and Mikey. And let's start that now. I was a CIA officer and the director of science and technology and in the director of intelligence and also served in the ODNI National Counterproliferation Center from 84 to 2009. So, yes, it's 25 years. So you're... You're a man of substance. You're not a nutbag. You are... You know what you're talking about. Well, I would say that I've encountered a lot of information concerning the UFO UAP topic as part of my normal day job. And so I wasn't an expert or anything. There's no one at CIA which I would call an expert in this. But in so doing, our regular day jobs of intelligence collection... And analysis and intelligence reporting, we do come across this phenomenon.
24:19 And we have come across this phenomenon for decades. Pause it right there for a second. Wow. So the CIA is now involved with this. That's really interesting. And it's a fact they've come out and said, hey, yeah, we have seen this. We are involved in this. And this is something I've done on a day-to-day basis. Just on that portion right there, what do you guys think? I still think it's ironic that they've been saying for years and years. That it's all swamp gas and weather balloons. But now they say, oh, yeah, we've been seeing them for years. That just seems weird. What's really interesting is you look at the transition all the way from way back when it first started. When we had back in the 50s where we had people coming out and saying that they had met these aliens.
25:08 The contactee era back in the early 50s. Where they talked about meeting these beings from local planets. And our solar system. And then by the mid-60s when we got probes out there. Found out that there was nothing on these barren pieces of rock in our solar system. That next thing we know these beings are saying they're from star systems. That we have yet to reach or yet to observe. And then this continued as an extraterrestrial biological entity idea. This whole alien. Being beings like us. Physical. You know, internal organs and all that kind of stuff. But about 2007, I started seeing a major change. I was the director of the conference in Roswell, New Mexico in 2007 for the city.
26:00 CE4 group. We put on the conference for them. And it was in that conference of 13 speakers over three days that I kept hearing this new idea come about. Where they're starting to question, could this be something else? Could this be that they're more interdimensional than physical? You know, beings coming from other worlds. And then here we are another decade or so later. And now it's all coming down to this interdimensional aspect. So I believe this transition has possibly been something that slowly moved us to this point. And I really have a feeling that they've known this. It's just that this transition is purposely. Maybe been done to allow us into this ease of transition, almost to the point to where the next step is, yeah, they're going to say that these are spiritual beings, maybe not, but that's the next step, but we already know they are.
26:59 Maybe this is something they're slowly transitioning to the rest of the world. Because if you were to let that out of the bag, that's a whole lot bigger upset in this world than saying we are being visited by aliens. Because then you're going to have to say that God is real. The Bible is real, and what he says in there is real. And that would make a more upset world than saying that we're being visited by aliens. Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating. And just I got to apologize to you and the rest of the people watching. I didn't introduce you correctly. Joe has been researching this for a long time. How long have you been researching this, Joe? You're a MUFON director. Is that correct? Yes, I've been with. I started out with MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network. I worked back in 1993.
27:47 So you do the numbers. I'm coming up on 30 years. Wow. And I was the national director for South Korea when I was in Korea. I've moved that over with the help of some of the directors to a Korean national investigator. He's really good, going to be good for them. And I've been given the appointment of national director for the Philippines. Because I have a home. I have a home there. And they needed somebody over in the Philippines anyway. And they know I can do that. I'm also a CAG, International Investigator for MUFON. That means I'm not just a regular field investigator for them that can follow up on sighting reports. But they can give me one that can be anywhere in the world and I can take it on. I'm also, since I'm back in Florida, I am now again, last time was mid-90s.
28:43 But mid to late 90s. But I'm now again the State Section Director for Brevard County, Florida for MUFON. Which is the county where the Kennedy Space Center is located. And I think it's a fascinating position to be in here in this locale. Very good. Very good. MUFON is worldwide? Oh, yes. They're worldwide and they've got probably close to 5,000 members right now. They're a non-for-profit organization. It's a grassroots organization of volunteers. You don't have to do anything but volunteer to be part of MUFON. And share the ability to do investigations. Or if you have some kind of specialty in science or anything else that you can be a consultant, you can come on in that aspect also.
29:35 So I welcome people to be part of MUFON. For the one reason, if you get into the investigation side, the training that comes with it is very, very important. It teaches you how to think properly. It teaches you how to think logically. It teaches you to go for the least ridiculous idea first when you see something or experience something instead of going to the most incredible idea first. That's the way proper science research should be done. And I welcome anybody to get involved and help out. The research that I have, the findings that I have, came because I was involved with MUFON. And I want to get into that. I want to get into the research you've done. In fact, if you watch the bumper, everyone watch the bumper to this, talking specifically to the audience.
30:26 Joe is actually in there, a little younger version of Joe. But he's talking about a little bit of his research. And it's pretty incredible. And we're going to talk about that a little bit later in the episode. But you also have a book that you've written. And I want people to know how to get a hold of that book. Because we gave that book out to a lot of people. Our Patreons, because we thought it was so important to talk about all your research. How do other people find it? The book is called Piercing the Cosmic Veil. You Shall Not Be Afraid of the Terror by Night. And some of your listeners might understand where that last little bit comes from. It actually comes from the Bible, the Old Testament, Psalms 91. And the book is a culmination of all of my work together. It's kind of broken up in three parts. The first part, is how did I get from there to here?
31:17 The second part is answering as many of the questions that I could possibly put in there that people would ask to try to cover everything in one binder to binder. And then the last third of the book is about 60 plus testimonies. Again, how many testimonies do you need? But there's about 60 in there that I'd never shared before. I still have plenty more that I still have to get out there to share. They're still coming. But you can find it on Amazon. It's also in Kindle and it's available anywhere in the world. Very good. Very, very good. Well, tonight we're going to ask you a lot of questions about your research and stuff. I have a list of them here on my screen, but I also want to ask people in the comments, go ahead and submit your questions. I see one by Eric Alder already. He's a Patreon member, but he has submitted in the live chat.
32:07 I've started and I'll start the ones. I'll save the ones that are coming in and we'll look at those right after we get through. But we got to get through this. Video first, because it's really interesting to see a CIA officer that is talking about this from a religious standpoint. We're going to see in just a second. So let's get right back into that. In your intelligence gathering, you're 25 years in the CIA. Is there alien life visiting this planet? I would take the word alien out of that and just say, okay, are there advanced? Are there civilizations visiting our planet, not necessarily alien? And are they not just visiting or have they been here all the time? That's the part of the narrative that the Department of Defense is not addressing.
33:03 But if you talk to former CIA officers, and I'll mention his name, because he's been in the public sphere, his name is Jim Simivan. And if you ask Jim Simivan what's going on, he'll come up with two hypotheses that he believes is not true. He says, I believe this is what is happening. And when he says, I believe this is what is happening, he has clearances still, I do not. So he says, interdimensional hypotheses, and the idea that something is coming to us that we can't explain that could be interdimensional in nature. And the other is the ultra terrestrial hypothesis. And by ultra terrestrial, that is UT, these are advanced civilizations that were created a long time before humanity arrived. And that is the technology we're seeing. And there's the concept of something called a breakaway civilization.
33:56 Now you see in myths and legends of the ancient peoples, they always had the gods fighting each other. And one side wins, the other side gets thrown out. And the breakaway civilization is the one that got thrown out. And more of the Christian tradition and the Judaic tradition, if you go back into Genesis 10, you have a battle between good and evil, God and Satan, and Satan or Lucifer, the bringers of light were thrown out, fallen. And that kind of coincides with a lot of ancient texts. So is that what we're seeing is ultra terrestrials, people have been here longer than we have and may have had some input into our development, into our evolution. Wow. A lot to unpack there, isn't there? Yeah, a lot. He like went right into what I was going to say. I was like, is it like willful ignorance or is it just like when he's saying these things are interdimensional, they're not really alien because they've been here all along.
35:02 We believe that. And I was like thinking, do they just believe that the Bible has the narrative wrong or is there some reason that they are just blinded to the whole truth of the Bible? But then he went right into it. He said that the biblical narrative is that these things were cast out of heaven. They're the bringers of light and all this stuff. So you're hearing this from him, from Jim Sumivan, another CIA. You're hearing it from PhD scientists that are coming out that are saying this. You're hearing it from, what's his name, Louis Elizondo to come from, you know, ATIP. He's talking the same kind of language. You're hearing it from Tom DeLonge, the guy that was supposed to help get this whole information out there for the government.
35:54 You know, this wasn't there back in 07, this kind of language. It was only stepping into the idea that this could be maybe interdimensional beings. But you see, this is a whole nother level right now. They are just a vocabulary word away from saying what we know to be true. Exactly. So that actually brings us to two questions that came up in the Discord group. What is interdimensional and what is ultradimensional beings? Are they different or what is that? I don't think they know. I think these are words that they're grasping at to try and not say the word spiritual being, spiritual animal.
36:43 You know, it's the same thing when you heard those scientists trying to describe the abilities, I say abilities, of the Tic Tac and, you know, the different objects that the Navy was seeing. You know, they were saying these things defy physics as we know it. There might be some other kind of physics that they were unaware of. Excuse me, there's one physics that works for the entire universe. The problem is you can't come up with a word that actually tells you what this is. You're trying to use science and mathematics for something that is spiritual. You're not going to answer what this is with science and mathematics. You're looking for a technology. This is not a technology that these beings are using and showing us. This is ability. This is a natural ability that they have to use this one thing called manifestation.
37:41 Manifestation into our realm. That word doesn't exist in science. That's something that is science fiction to scientists. But we as believers know what manifestation is. It's all through scripture. We know that God's angels, messenger angels, good angels manifested into the physical to give messages to people that God wanted to receive a message. We see that throughout the Bible history. The enemy can do the same thing. The fallen angels who says, why would they have any different ability? Why would they be restricted on that? I don't believe it. If these are angelic beings that are able to do this, we're seeing the same thing, but ones that are using it for a major deception. Interesting. Fallen angels, they can enter into people. They can enter into animals, the pigs. During when Saul went to the witch of Endor, she said she saw Elohim.
38:41 Elohim or gods, these demons coming up out of the earth. They definitely defy physics. They can walk through walls and all these things. Yes. I believe the key to get the science people to understand this is going to have to come from scripture, but we're going to have to use what's there to be able to build this to where they can understand it. This is something I've been looking into a lot here recently. How do we show this? I think one of the best examples that we can see in biblical scripture is Jesus after the tomb. When Jesus left the tomb, when he first met the two women, he said, don't touch me. I have yet ascended. His body was in transition. The physical body was no longer in the tomb. He was transitioning to a spiritual body. That body, over the course of the scriptures, it talks about him meeting 500 some people and talking to the apostles and meeting and talking with them in a room.
39:49 Look at the abilities that he was able to do in that spiritual body. As he was going through that transition, ready to raise up to the Father at the end, he was able to appear into a room. We're hearing the same thing about people that have these abduction experiences. We're looking at the same type of so-called secular physics that they're trying to understand with these tic-tacs and the other objects that you're able to do, should I say, supernatural things that they don't understand. That's fascinating. Very, very fascinating. Go ahead, Mike. It even makes me think of some of the people seeing the sightings of a wheel within a wheel, chariots of fire and things like that. Even the wheel within a wheel, like with Ezekiel, we know the UFO community loves to use that one against people of scripture.
40:53 They say, well, you got UFOs in the Bible. No, that is not a UFO. We know that. Just right there in the first part of the scripture, he tells you he had a vision. That vision, that whole thing right there is another key that we need to look at because that's not much different than what people who have had the abduction experience talk about, what they see. But they don't believe that they had a vision. They believe that they were really taken. They were really on board craft. They really had things done to them. But it's no different in what this man experienced at the River Chebar. It was that real to him, except him as a believer, he knew what he was seeing. Well, like Paul, he said, whether in the body or out of the body, I don't know. It was so real, him being there that he was like, I don't know if my physical body was on earth and I was just seeing a vision or if my physical body was really there, it felt that real.
41:55 Exactly. And if you listen to the work of Grant Cameron, which I have listened to just since his new book has come out on UFO sky pilots, fascinating piece of work that he come across and put together. And he's right there backing up and supporting what we're doing. He's just won't say the word God or Bible. But what he's captured in this UFO sky pilots book is interviews that he's had and reports that he's had from people during abduction experiences where the question was asked afterwards during an investigation, have you ever piloted the crafts? And people started saying, yeah, I have during an experience. And when you listen to what they talk about during the experience, they're talking about when they're given the opportunity to pilot the craft, there's a guardian right there nearby that's guiding them telepathically.
42:55 And I listened real close and the telepathic idea is one way between the guardian to the person, not to the person back to the guardian. So this is that into the mind again, like I keep saying over and over, this is an implanted visionary spiritual experience from these demonic entities. When these people are given the ability to pilot the craft, all of a sudden they can see in complete 360 degrees all at the same time. How is that possible? It's not. It's not unless it's a visionary experience. Right. Our physical eyes can't do that. Something that's been implanted. So there's a lot of giveaways. He even mentioned in one of the interviews that I was listening to on a podcast, Grant said that these people, they talked about at the beginning of an abduction where they talk about the beings coming and then being taken.
43:51 But then it's like the next thing they know, they're on the ship. So they're not recalling the transition of the initial, the initial start and how they got on the ship. Why? Because it's part of a visionary experience. They weren't taken anywhere. This whole thing is remembered after the fact. I'm sure in your years of hearing testimonies, you've heard of people going right through a closed window or right through a roof of a house. How's your physical body going to do that? No, it's not. But they can give you that visionary experience to believe you did. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Fascinating. I'm curious what this guy's going to say next. You ready?
44:38 Oh, yeah. Here we go. Now, if you're a Christian, you believe in Genesis, you will believe that God created man from his own image. Let us make man in our image. And so if you translate that into like the ultra terrestrial hypothesis, that means that beings more advanced than us had some input into how we turned out. And some of those beings wanted to be worshiped and others wanted to elevate us. Wow. In Genesis? Yeah. Say again. Did I miss something? Where was that in Genesis? Because it says let us. Is that what he's talking about? Let me go back and check it again. Or maybe I missed it. All right. Here we go. Now, if you're a Christian, you believe in Genesis, you will believe that God created man from his own image.
45:38 Let us make man in our image. And so if you translate that into like the ultra terrestrial hypothesis, that means that beings more advanced than us had some input into how we turned out. And some of those beings wanted to be worshiped and others wanted to elevate us. So he's taking it from one God saying that, let us make man in our image, to a multiple of, you know, beings that, and this is that whole thing that, you know, the UFO religion is coming into, that they created us. They meaning multiple society of beings. And I guess trying to clear up a little bit of that ultra dimensional versus interdimensional. Interdimensional is a little different from what I'm trying to understand what they're saying.
46:31 The ultra dimensional is, where there are civilizations of these beings. They actually live in a separate world from us where they have civilizations, they have worlds that they live on, but it's in a side by side dimension. It's like a parallel universe type thing. Sort of, yes. But we're right back to where that key word of worship. This is all coming down to worship in the end. This is what this whole thing is coming down to. And this is what I've been saying all along. That I believe this is possibly that strong delusion. Because that's what the strong delusion is all about. Where God says that they chose not the truth. They chose not the truth of righteousness.
47:18 They chose to worship other than him. And that's what this is coming down to. That he would send this strong delusion. That they would believe the lie. And look how much is falling for this lie. Hook, line, and sinker. Absolutely. I was just talking about that yesterday. I said, I believe we're there. That people are believing the strong delusion. I don't think the strong delusion is one particular lie. It's this thing. If you believe this one thing. It's just a delusion about everything. Like, hey, I can be a female if I want to. That's part of the delusion. Or, hey, these aliens are gods and they're coming to save us. That's a delusion. It's like there's delusion all around. There's delusion all around. But it all leads you to the same thing.
48:05 It all leads you to that same type of pseudo-spirituality. And that's something I've been saying a long time. People want their spirituality without accountability. That's right. And that's what this is leading to. These beings are offering that. And it doesn't matter what part of this deception you're part of. Ghosts. UFOs. Gender. Anything that's deceiving you from the truth. It's all going to lead you to that same pseudo-spirituality. Because God's not accepting of all of that stuff. There's a book I was reading. And I'm just going to say it this way. Because I think it's interesting.
48:50 It's called The Great Controversy. And one of the things it says in there. It's part of a much bigger quote that says. That angels may go out according to the Bible. And present their light and truth. And I'm talking about evil angels now. And it says this is the strong and almost overmastering delusion. And we recognize that as Christians. What that's saying is that the overmastering delusions. Is when it's told to us from these ultra beings. That aren't necessarily from far distant galaxies. That this is the delusion that happens. So I think that's kind of interesting. Of what's going on here. And that's what the Bible says. What you just read goes hand in hand with 1 Timothy.
49:38 Something where it says that some will depart from the faith. Giving heed to seducing spirits. And doctrines of demons. Right there. Yes. These demons are just fallen angels. And if they're giving you some other gospel. Then that's the doctrines of demons. And it says. That some will depart from the faith. That doesn't mean that the world's believing it. I mean they are too. But it means that even people who were believers. This delusion is so strong. That if you mess with it. Jesus the whole time. When they kept asking Jesus. What's going to happen before you come. He says deception. Do not be deceived. When they say I'm in the secret chambers. Don't even go. Don't look.
50:23 Because if you do. It's overwhelming. You will fall for it. Yeah. And not only that. When it says. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Well some will depart from the faith. You have to be in the faith to depart from the faith. So some are going to depart from the faith. Because this overwhelming mass delusion. Doctrines of demons. Yeah. You know what? It's interesting. I'm a. Mikey and I are part of another organization called Little Light Studios. And we do weekly stuff like that. This program is not affiliated with Little Light Studios. But. We highly recommend you check out that channel. And one of the presentations I did on that channel weeks weeks ago. Was I discovered by going through scripture. And going through some testimonies of these different things. That these beings. These demonic beings.
51:09 Angels. Good and bad. Can make you feel different ways. And we know that that's in the Bible. Because the Bible says. That Saul. You know he was. He was upset with David. And he. The spirit entered him. And then he got angry. And threw a spear. And tried to pin him to the wall. What was that? That was. That was a demon. Making him feel. As if he needs to do something to David. And so. That's one example in the Bible. There's others too. But. We also have examples that have happened today. I'll put that video in the. In the notes. But it's very interesting. So. If you go. And if you go. And visit these. Type of. Places. Where these things. Are saying. Hey. Yeah. Let me present to you my information.
51:55 Not only are they going to present the information. But they're also going to make you feel. Like this is the truth. And you're. It's going to. That's how overwhelming it is. Because. It's one thing. To say. Hey. Yeah. You know. I'm not worried about. You know. I know the Bible. You know. I'm going to go there. I'm going to listen to what they say. Just to kind of. Get the idea. The Bible says. Don't even go. Braun crushed. Amen to. That. Overpowering. Emotional. Experience. Yes. You know. There's another aspect. About this too. That a lot of people. Are overlooking. Over all the. Decades. Of this. Uf0. Phenomenon. And these. As. We know.
52:40 As Believers. Christian Believers. To be. De-mon. Take. Entities. You have. Hollywood. Perpetrating. De-mon- tic. very dangerous to humans physically. I mean, they kill humans. We see this in Hollywood movies. But the truth is, we don't have deaths from this delusion. They're not here to kill us themselves. The thing that we're seeing in the research is that these entities want you to kill yourself. They'll drive you to that madness, that point of no return. I've got testimony after testimony after testimony. My co-author, Jason Dezember, he will tell you in his personal testimony, he was driven to the point to where he's sitting on the edge of his bed with a gun in his hand, ready to end it because of the madness involved in it. That's what they want. They want you to kill yourself and they want you to kill yourself. They want you to kill yourself.
53:43 They want you to kill yourself. They want you to kill yourself. They want you to kill yourself. After you've turned away from God. They can come here and cause serious havoc, I'm sure, but we're not seeing it. On the other hand, the government is pushing the idea that these things are a threat to national security for any country and a threat to airspace. And they want us to rely on them, the government, to protect us. There's no protection needed. The protection that we have is enough. The protection we have as believers in the name and authority of Jesus Christ defeats these entities, defeats them and all of their so-called, what looks to be appearing as super technology. They're nothing. They're nothing compared to what we have standing at our side. And that's something that is part of, that everybody needs to understand. They're not trying to kill you. They want to drive you there through madness. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Unless you have a comment, Mike, let's go back into the video. You want to? I was just going to comment on something you said about that the government wants us to rely on them. I 100% believe that all this propaganda about that they're here, they're not of this world, they're a threat is so they can, you know, beef up the whole space force thing and start aiming weapons.
55:13 Towards the heavens to fight against Christ when he returns. So I do think it's propaganda to get us to fear what's coming, which is Christ. But at the same time, I think Satan's playing both hands. I do think that there's going to be a false Christ coming on a spaceship. And that's going to tie into the whole ancient aliens thing that when Christ ascended, yeah, he went back to those mothership. You know, he had all these powers because he was actually. And alien and reach Christ consciousness and all of that. But this is just me. I don't really can't say like it says this chapter and verse or something. But I believe when there's first contact, I believe when we officially have contact, they're going to say that they have the answers to all the world's problems, including we are here to help you battle an evil alien invader that's coming. And if it's not for us, you guys won't survive. So we're going to be. I mean, the Bible does say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Bible does say that three unclean spirits like frogs are going to unite the militaries of the world to battle Christ. And I think this ties in. We are going to be uniting with Satan, unaware, thinking it's an alien helping us fight an evil alien invader, which is really Christ and his angels.
56:31 Makes you wonder how much Kennedy actually knew. Remember when he said that quote? Yep. Which quote was that? Wouldn't it be wonderful if. We had an external problem. I forget the exact quote. Oh, Reagan. Right. Reagan. Oh, I can't believe I said. Yeah. Yeah. How much alien. I'm outside alien threat. That's right. Man, it's like it's like, did he did he just come up with that on his own? Was that planted by a previous conversation with something or was that he didn't write his own speeches? Right. Right. Teleprompter. Interesting. Yeah. Well, I guess that's one of the things I'm going to look up when I get to heaven.
57:19 Let's check out this video real quick. Wait, what does that have to do with like supersonic machines being caught on videotape? Yeah. Why? Maybe they coming back. Maybe those supersonic machines caught on videotape along to these ultra terrestrial civilizations that many folks who encounter like these beings. Yeah. Who say I've encountered these beings have been abducted, always point out to these tall Nordics and the tall Nordic narrative is something that might be associated with some of these advanced beings. Do you have any evidence of that? That's interesting. Have you heard of that, Joe, these tall Nordics? Yeah, that's been the scenario for decades now is a lot of the people.
58:14 There'll be two different types of encounters. Some people only have the horrific encounters which they recall in their memories, either being the greys or reptilian type. You know, okay, we're going to get dangerous now. Beings of color. Okay. I'm going to bring it up. I'm going to bring it up. Okay. Right. Right. And then you have the tall Nordics that are the super spiritual aspects. Yeah. Yeah. They're the super spiritual aspect of alien beings. And tall Nordic, if people don't understand, that means like somebody from Sweden or Norway, tall, muscular, blonde, they wear long robes. They're very, very intelligent above everybody else out there. They seem to be the saviors when it comes to these types of encounters. There's also a lot of people that have become missionaries for the cause of the alien cause, And the way that that's normally done is they start out by having horrific encounters.
59:22 And then these Nordics come in and will take over, okay, replace those bad encounters. And then that's when the messages start coming. And then the people are converted into being missionaries of this new alien gospel to humanity. And we have tons and tons of that, you know, literature out there, channeled literature, you know. I hate to say it, but our aliens are probably part of that same type of deal. You know, we're going to hear, you'll hear from them again. But that's what I'm talking about here, you know. This is what we're seeing. But in essence, it's so simple once you grasp what's happening. It's good cop, bad cop. They're both cops. Okay? They're both playing the same side. People always tell me, well, what about the good aliens?
1:00:15 They're just better at the delusion than the bad ones. Okay? They're playing a much tougher part. Because they're the ones that are going to make the sale. They're the ones that are going to make the conversion to get you to join them full, openheartedly, and become a messenger for them. And we see this over and over and over. Wow. There's a comment that says it's psychological manipulation. That's what it is. It's a psyop. It's psychological warfare. And it happens in the real world. The Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah. Who? I mean, I don't. Like Patty Hearst, you know. Back in the 70s. She was picked up by the Simpities Liberation Army, a radical group here in America that were, you know, fighting the American government within our country.
1:01:08 And they captured her and they were using her for ransom, you know, because big daddy heiress, you know, you know, her father had a gazillion bucks and they figured they would be able to fund their cause by, you know, hijacking her. But next thing you know, after not hearing from a little bit, there's a bank robbery and she's caught on camera holding an AK-47 in the bank with them. You know, so there's a prime example of how that breaks down. Wow. And how that Stockholm Syndrome actually happens. The term actually came from the study in the prisoners from World War II. How that when they went in and got a lot of the prisoners free, that had been prisoners for quite some time. Even though they had, you know, survived terrible tortures over the years they were prisoners by the enemy, they were in there spouting the enemy's propaganda, you know. They had. And they actually sided with their ideology.
1:02:11 That's where they got the Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah, I was thinking about like Nero, you know, setting his own place on fire to start a war. It's create a problem or create a problem, create a solution, cause a problem, create a solution. Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't know. You're talking about communism, though. Yeah. Theism, anti-theism, and then. Alien communism. Yeah. Oh. But that whole, you know, I know I opened the door, but we may as well get it to the point of closing it. The thing is, I was pushing there and trying to get started was this whole phenomenon, the UFO phenomenon, basically. I will tell you that my research tells me that this is not a worldwide event. It's not a worldwide phenomenon.
1:03:01 They will show you cases from around the world, but they're very unique and very. It's not like here in this country, Brad knows I've been sending him, you know, the statistics on the, you know, the, the reports, um, it's, it's basically this phenomenon is a Westernized, modernized, Christianized nation phenomenon. Okay. Now on top of that is primarily a white people's phenomenon, white people's phenomenon. And then you get into ancient aliens, ancient aliens. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That whole concept is just following the hermetic theory from the 1800s, where the British said that when they found all these megaliths that they looked at the indigenous people around them and said, oh, they didn't build this. Their whole concept was there must have been a white race that had come through at an earlier time and built these things because indigenous people couldn't do that. Well, we know today that indigenous people did build those things when they lived there. Okay?
1:04:07 It wasn't space aliens. The reason they went to ancient astronauts is because you can't use the hermetic theory anymore in our society. You can't say what they used to say. That'll get you in trouble. It's not politically correct. So Von Dynikin took it and pushed it out there where nobody built those things. They must have been built by those guys up there. That's where ancient aliens comes from. It's just a play on racism. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, he was a teenager coming out of Austria at the end of World War II. He lived under that whole concept. He knows it. Yeah. Evolution, the theory of evolution is a racist theory. Yeah. You know, it talks about the favored races and the Darwinian evolution and how, you know, you look at the chart and they get lighter as they get more advanced, and then you look at the blondes who are more advanced race than us, they're always blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and that's what Hitler was trying to create, a race of people like that.
1:05:15 Yeah. Exactly. So if you're part of this phenomenon, if you're following it, you need to rethink what you're looking at. Right. Good point. Right. Absolutely. I got one more section. Go ahead. Okay. This is why I push MUFON, because MUFON will teach you this proper thinking. Mm-hmm. So I hope that people that will listen to me and you want to study this, get the understanding of how to properly break something down and look at it the way you're supposed to. And because a lot of us skip that class in school. You know, we decided, we'll come back later for another class, you know, for economics or something. But we don't want that. Is that taught? Is logic taught in school? Or is it, hey, just pump you full of information that you can retain in your short-term memory?
1:06:03 That's all I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Remember these terms. What did the first paragraph say? Okay. Okay. Check this out. Go ahead, Kerry. Yeah. I want to ask you a question. First of all, you keep saying advanced. Okay. So advanced, define advanced. Is that advanced in terms of to the level that we see ourselves as humans on Earth? Or is that advanced in terms of being greater, either in intelligence or capability, or is that advanced in terms of being more advanced? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So advanced is the premise that we're going to be beyond that. And, when you talk about the good versus evil, are we possibly seeing a proliferation of some of that in the events that we're seeing?
1:06:49 Is that maybe a different form of these beings? Well, to answer the first part of your question, yes, that's exactly what it means, the idea that they're more advanced than humans. Okay. And they came to us advanced, and they created us, and we are not as advanced, but we're getting there. Hmm. And what tipped ... the tipping point was that humans are ... Hmm. point was that humanity discovered how to destroy itself in the planet with nuclear weapons. And coinciding with that, a lot of these sightings do occur over our nuclear facilities. A lot of these sightings occur over nuclear ICBM bases, which was mentioned in the hearing. The Pentagon declined to address that. And the second part of your question, I don't know. That's completely hypothetical. You'll have to ask a sociologist or a psychologist or someone who deals with the human mind and human behavior. I can't explain human behavior based on... So I thought it was interesting that that's pretty much where he ended it right there before we went on to the next question. But I thought it was interesting that he said that that's hypothetical, but listen to all this other stuff that we thought was pure theory. About the... What is it? The nuclear stuff and all this other stuff. That's brought in again. This is a reoccurring theme, Joe, that we're seeing here on this channel.
1:08:15 Let me... Yeah, the nuclear aspect. Let me tell you how that's playing, how I feel that's playing into this whole delusion. Yeah, please do. Remember, this is about peeling this onion back one layer at a time. And every time you get to down the layer, it's just deeper and deeper in mud. You know, and this is what we're seeing here. And I had the opportunity to address this at a conference I did in Taipei in Taiwan a few years ago. And first time I took it on, but we'll share it again here. This whole concept of the nuclear and saving our planet. Well, the whole saving our planet is the message that they bring. In a lot of the communication, you'll see that it's all about protecting the creation. Nothing about the creator, okay? They don't talk about the creator. They say they're the creators. But their focus is to get you on the creation, to worship the creation, to make that the most important thing. That's how it takes your eyes off the creator, okay? Is get you to focus on the creation. And the whole new age concept is because that you are part of the creation.
1:09:34 Then we're all part of the creator. That's the whole new age concept. We're all gods, okay? We're all part of the divine. And I keep hearing that word come up over and over that these beings are divine. And yet we can become the divine later. Come on. That's just that whole new age garbly goo. The thing is about the nuclear part, this is where they tied in. They're using the aspects of the cattle mutilation. To mucky the water of this whole phenomenon. You know, I took on that study to kind of explain what they were, what was going on here at that Taipei conference. And I brought up the subject of cattle mutilations along with crop circles and all the weirdness that goes in to this whole phenomenon that makes it so murky to try and understand, to make any sense out of. Well, if you take the idea of the cattle mutilation, and you look at where the majority of them are coming from, from the beginning, they're coming out of the Four Corners area in the Midwest. Okay? The major hotspot of UFOs and that Four Corners area of cattle mutilations is right out of Farmington, New Mexico. Okay? What are we to hear about in Farmington, New Mexico? The so-called non-existent, non-existent, non-existent, non-existent Dulcey underground base. Okay? That doesn't exist. You know, my friend Norio Hayatawa goes up there and takes people on tours of a non-existent thing that they want to see. You know? It's, what a great concept. And the thing is, as I studied that and tried to understand what else could have happened here. Okay? You got to look at what they're not telling you. So I started looking into some of the history of Farmington and, and lo and behold, this piece of history comes up. And it was fascinating. Because in 1965, the U.S. Army was interested in trying to understand about getting oil out of the ground. Believe it or not. And this concept of fracking had just come about. Ah. Well, if you know about fracking, it's done with pressure water. Okay? Well, give it to the Army to come up with something better. Okay? What was better? Underground atomic explosion. Oh, wow.
1:12:19 So Operation Gas Buggy, look it up. Do the work. Don't go for the craziness first. Go for the most simple first. Operation Gas Buggy, 1965. They detonated an underground device fracking the soil for oil where did they do it oh no in farmington outside of farmington in dulcey area the area they don't want you to go looking so they put this whole idea about a secret underground base did not go there okay but you know who owns that property farmers american indians oh no and do you know that there is a bureau of land management locate you know office there in farmington to where these people that are part of that ask me because i know that their job as environmentalists are to constantly test the soil test the water test everything what are they looking for they're looking for radiation leakage god forbid we do another horrible thing to the that we put on forced reservations excuse me but they're still messing around with the wrong thing so this is what's happened so cattle mutilations start showing up why cattle mutilations because if you talk to the scientists soft tissue organs are the best thing for detecting these types of contamination so so how do you test them without getting people upset about why you're testing them you do them in the dark of night hence the major ufo flaps over farmington area followed by cattle mutilation okay let's take it to the next step i'm sorry but i have to do things logically as an investigator so you put it on a map of the united states and you see that hot spot of all those numbers coming out of the four corners and then you see them start to spread and excuse me but they're checking everywhere the wind blows you see them in the following the pattern of our winds across the country in the numbers yeah you know and everybody wants you to believe that this is an alien race that's using it for the blood to make the hybrids blah blah blah blah blah blah blah that's not it people it's simpler than that it's a government cover-up yeah we're doing it for them for free they didn't even ask us they aren't even urging us you know we're paying us for it they're not paying us for this great cover-up but same thing with area 51 bob lazar what a great deal put these people out there so we guarantee we believe that there's aliens there so they can continue to do their secret work on defense aircraft so the other countries don't get the one-up on us in a battle zone so you don't you don't believe in bob lazar and his story i think bob lazar believes his story no that's what i think too you know it is the same with uh william cooper you know yes he completely believed that aliens were real he saw the ufos himself smashed into the water and it not you know not even harmed the ship it just went in without a splash and he was like whoa i've seen it and so he was exposing it all writing it and then he realized wait they want me to expose this they showed me this so i would leak it so that it would look like it's coming from the source exactly psyop 101 bro they give these people these visionary experiences the demonicus so that they will talk about it so that they will share these messages so do you so it was every day that he was going in so i'm not being devil's advocate i'm just really curious about this because i don't i don't know if i i understand his whole story but he was going in there at least a few times a week you you think that that was a a vision he was having a few times a week the whole thing might be just something he thinks he's remembering well i think that they really i think it's a basic line is he's a distraction you want to get to the truth look where the truth lies and you know aaron's been saying it all along look at the message yeah it's in the message if you're not listening to the message that's coming for the salvation of the world it along and saying here is what this is what's happening and perhaps you don't know what it is what they say this is you're looking at the wrong part right because
1:17:08 we're told watch for those teachers of another gospel and that's what we're supposed to not be deceived by and that's what you need to be looking at everything else is just a major part of the distraction to get you for looking at the truth do you think and again who's behind it Do you think that physical craft could be a major deception in the last days? I mean, could these things that are not necessarily physical? I mean, well, let me take that back because Jesus in his newest, well, wait just a second. Jesus in his resurrected state, he still ate fish and he still was a physical being. And we've seen the Bible where these things have manifested and they are physical in some sort. So I think our idea, this is just me hypothesizing that these angels, let's call them what they are, aren't necessarily physical. They might be physical. It's just spirituality might not be something we completely comprehend.
1:18:11 So it's that word manifestation we don't understand. Yes. You know, everybody brings up, well, they ate food. But the question you never asked was, was he hungry? No. Eating food was a cultural thing. You eat food with people. I've been overseas. I understand. They always want to eat with you. Okay. That's how communion works. Okay. That's how you commune. You sit down and you sup together. That doesn't mean that the angels that visited Lot and his family were hungry. No. But they ate with them. Okay. Because it's a cultural thing. People had no problem understanding. When they said that, that's what that was about. But he didn't need to eat. Okay. His body was moving to that spiritual body. And that's the way we're going to be in heaven.
1:19:04 We're going to be in those spiritual bodies. We're not going to be in these physical bodies. You know, in the twinkly of an eye, we're changed. Okay. Keep that in mind. The first thing we do when we get to heaven is have a big wedding feast, though. Exactly. There's fruit. But it's not because we're hungry. Okay. It's because that's what people do when they meet. Interesting. Yeah. I'll have to research this a little bit. I always thought we were going to set up when the earth is restored new, it's going to be just like Adam and Eve. I think it's going to be physical, but we're going to be able to do extraordinary type things. Yes. But also, no pain, no sickness, none of that. Well, how can you have that and have a human body?
1:19:54 You can't, okay, unless you have a different kind of body, okay? So, that's something to think about there. Manifestation, if a being can manifest the appearance of a human being enough that it would deceive anybody in close range, very close range, even doubting Thomas, put your fingers in my wounds, okay? If they can manifest that good, that's nothing compared to manifestation. Manifesting a metallic object, that's nothing compared to that. Yeah. So, that was my next question. Do you think that this deception could go physical? I think it already has gone physical. That's what we're seeing with these objects that are defying gravity. These things that are flying 30,000 miles an hour and making right-hand turns. The reason they can do that, I believe, is because they're still in that manifestation.
1:20:54 But then, they're in the same aspect of that bubble that they're in. There's a missing component that allows them to do that. My friend Ian Juby, the scientist out of Canada, he's a Christian, and he's a creation scientist. And him and I talked about this on a podcast that I did with him on. And it's fascinating that if you, and listen to Einstein, he talks about it too. You take one component of the mathematical problem out of that, and you go through it. Yeah. problem out of there and then that's perfectly allowable for what we're seeing if you take the time factor out of that okay velocity and and everything else you defy gravity so they're in a bubble and that's when it brings us to the close encounters it ties it right in this is where you see the idea of the Oz Factor in numerous close encounter cases especially look at that aerial school event from 1994 in in Africa where those 80 kids and 60 of them all testified to seeing this object come down two beings come out that's not the important part the important part is listen to the individual testimonies no two are alike and also the way these beings the way these beings move and move and move and move and move and move and move and move and move and move is not fluent movement they didn't touch the ground it's just if they were here and then they were there and then they were there okay they're defying everything that is part of our physics the kids talk about they have no memory of the noise okay all of a sudden everything's quiet you got 80 kids on a playground and they don't remember anything being noisy all they remember is seeing these beings and a little bit of communication that was given to some of them where would the noise go it's gone why because they were encapsulated in that Oz Factor that bubble where time was missing because the kids talk about that and there's many many many cases where people talk about a close encounter where all of a sudden they say total silence in close proximity to an object total silence it feels like time stood still okay that's the Oz Factor that same capability recorded in sightings I believe is what we're seeing with these craft that the Navy's dealing with so we're dealing with a manifestation and I think once we can understand and explain in in our own language not God's language but our language what a manifestation is is and and talk about it in vocabulary that we can speak to a non-christian person i think we can get this understandable yeah yeah absolute absolute we're we're still got a few more minutes of the show well we got about 15 more minutes that you usually go into and uh we got so many more questions what i want to do if it's okay with you joe is um i don't know how late you stay up i want to keep you up because we're all on the east coast right now um i want to go tomorrow i i want to talk about some of these questions in a in a after show that's available on our patreon we're going to answer questions uh that we don't get to tonight and so i'll say what those questions are in a second but um i want to ask you a few questions that were submitted because we we only got to a few of them one person asks how how do we convince people that this experience is that that people that experience these things uh isn't true and that they should uh shouldn't believe it because it's it's hard to tell someone their experience isn't the truth i don't tell them their experiences aren't true i tell them it's it's true to them okay the the holy spirit will convict them in the end but they can't listen to the holy spirit right now they're lost okay so when i work with people i don't do that i don't tell them you've been deceived okay that they'll hear this on a show like this but when i work with them one
1:25:20 on one that's not how i work i let them tell their story i let them own it okay i will listen intently and carefully and i will point out make notes and when they're done i will go back and i will point out how a lot of things just flat don't make sense and when you start planting that seed of doubt in their own testimony they start going oh well you're right that doesn't make sense and then when you start building up i call them the red flags of ufology the more you can get in your hand to share with them the more that they'll start to doubt their own experience once you plant that seed of doubt they're opening to listening to something that actually makes sense and that's when i can share with them the more i can share with them the more i can share with them the more i can share with them what i found that's when the holy spirit can convict them and let them understand and hear what i'm saying and let them come to a truth and understanding of what this is especially when i can show them the testimonies of those that i have worked with and those that have come to me even though i hadn't worked with them but they've been shown by the holy spirit that what they've been dealing with was a lie and they've been able to get their lives back to a reality without the horrors that comes with this experience through a relationship with jesus christ not through any other name not through muhammad not through through allah not through anything not through any name out there but the name above all names jesus christ absolutely wow you have any comment on that mikey or i'll go to the next question no i'm sitting back and listening to his answers it's good this is good um let's see uh one of the uh one of our patreons said um let's see what do you think is the scenario this is hypothesis now we can uh um and and feel free to make it biblical because that's what we do here and what is the scenarios that you feel or that you see or that you have studied are um the possibilities that will trigger this whole thing to start happening this you know the whole deception to really come into fruition do you understand what i'm saying yeah um i think there's a little more conditioning to go uh as as i tried to show earlier in the show we're seeing the conditioning it's been transitioning over you know past three or four decades um it's escalating i still think there's a ways to go i think that's going to have to be a full-blown appearance of some type of object that can be shown worldwide and right now we're just don't have it close enough but i think it's going to come to that i think more people are going to have to be open to it at the same time what's our job um and why is this important to other believers to understand all of this what we've been talking about because it it may not be important to you yourself because you know the truth but your family do they know the truth do your kids do your grandkids do your nieces and nephews do they know the truth because if they don't then you better get on board and start teaching them because they're doomed as the rest of the world is if they don't know the truth because this is a coming time of trial you either know the truth and you follow him or you don't and you're deceived by this delusion it's in our hands to make this come about talking about things ramping up and and preparing the stage or whatever like when i was growing up the only way i could see this was in books in the library or you know some some unsolved mysteries or something you know and then it started slipping out like oh you know on the news like oh this was an interesting photo caught by you know local so-and-so and now it's on the news but it's being delivered by military i mean that's a huge leap from looking at books to now the military is on the news saying yep it's real and it's been real exactly we gotta be getting pretty close but yeah there's probably still some time too you know it's just i i never dreamed that i'd be seeing the day that i'm seeing now imagine imagine though the part that we play in this imagine the burden that's on us to be able to share this truth yeah we have there's no way we
1:30:06 can back off when you know this truth it has to be shared that's right the thing is what the truth is what they have is a gospel of fear and control yeah absolutely absolutely i'm going to save some of these questions that are a little more uh off key a little bit to uh for afterwards because um this is the public facing channel but we're going to get into uh the visibility of space a little bit we're going to get into uh what nasa's role is in this um uh and um hypnotism because you talk about hypnotism that was that was actually the the whole thing that started me thinking about bringing you on the program was what you talked about hypnosis in the book i remembered it so um he uh for those watching joe text me today did you remember what you you wanted to talk about i said absolutely not i have no idea what i wanted to talk about it was hypnotism i thought it was interesting that you you added that to your book and so um if you don't have the book i cover it extensively in there because that's the evidence that i was able to put together to show that this is not a real experience that this is actually a visionary spiritual experience fascinating so in hypnotism i know they say it's like repressed memories and things but i my hypothesis i want to see if you agree you could you could get uh save that for after show this is oh i'm just telling people what we're going to talk about because we're not done yet i got another question here but um i also want to ask you what uh what made you get into this topic what is your backstory a little bit and we covered that a little bit previously in the previous episode but i'm going to talk a little bit about that too he was abducted well well wait we're going to find that out but um the last question i have for you tonight is uh now that the cia is involved in this how do you see that as changing things what would what would you say is that that's going to change uh the outcome of this whole thing do you think more institutions like this are going to get involved do you think it's going to start rising or is this something that's just uh they already are there's a lot of phd scientists that are actually listening and coming out and talking about it and not only just talking about it they're actually admitting their experiencers remember that the guy you played tonight he says he was an experiencer yeah jim samovan and his wife the other cia member he was an experiencer they're coming out and they're talking about their experiences that's major yeah wow wow probably something they felt embarrassed about at one time but now it's more mainstream they're trying to make sense of it but as you were listening they're trying to make sense that they're going with it's not of a biblical message did you say that guy we were watching a video of he he's an experiencer yeah he was he said at the beginning oh i missed that yeah he was um he's it's interesting because all these well-known harvard and well-known uh scientists and all these all these people with big names from the pentagon they're all experiencers and it's interesting that that has happened we saw that in the different ufo um what do you call them the radio hosts they're they're um people that have been on and looking into this for a long time um they have all had experiences with dead for supposedly dead relatives coming back to them and telling them to do things and that's why they're involved and we're actually that's another question i have for you on here that we talked a little bit about before uh joe um we're going to talk about in an after show uh about the dead a little bit and how that ties in we got a lot to talk about so but it's fascinating and i think uh i think we should wrap up here let's have a little prayer and uh we'll we'll uh jump into uh post post show is that you say it uh post recorded we'll upload that um would you say that for us mikey yeah lord father in heaven we just thank you so much for uh giving us eyes to see and ears to hear lord your word helps us to not be deceived because it is the truth lord and if we're not deceived we're not deceived we're not deceived we don't stay in the truth and we will fall for the counterfeit lord so i just pray that something we've said here would would spark a desire in people to seek out truth in your word
1:34:55 that would cause people to question the the main narrative that's being fed to them lord and we just pray that people would have a relationship with you lord that they would seek and desire you more than anything and that this message would go out far and wide because we know that a strong delusion is coming soon and that many people are going to fall for the counterfeit lord and that many people are going to be deceived so our whole mission here is just to expose satan's lies and we just thank you for everyone that's here and we thank you for joe our guest and what you're doing with him and how you're using him and uh we just love you and thank you for for dying for our sins so that we can live forever with you in a perfect world one day and we look forward to bringing as many people with us as we can in jesus name amen amen thank you guys for watching we'll see you next week