0:00 good evening good evening i don't know why i don't hear sound coming out of this thing but that's a little concerning let's do this all right we are up and running chaos hasn't ensued yet but we are going to be talking tonight to joe jordan and we're going to be uh looking at a few of the current events that have been happening uh thanks for tuning in we are uh thanks for joining we got uh current events coming right up here but uh primarily the guest tonight will be joe jordan if you don't know who joe is we talk about him quite a bit on the channel here and it's the chance to actually ask a question to him live uh we also have a few questions i've also filtered in uh through uh time so stay tuned i don't care if you think i'm satan reincarnated the spirit will declare themselves to be inhabitants of five distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet it is now 90 seconds to midnight i still think these are what people call angels i'm dying to know what they've got to say these entities have the ability to appear in any form welcome to the strange normal my name is bradley we talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what is going on and there's a lot going on so make sure you hit that subscribe button hit that little bell icon so you're notified when things like this happen okay guys tonight we got this amazing thing happening where we're going to get to talk to a former mufon director uh joe jordan we talk about him quite a bit on the on the show and uh he's got some incredible stories and that he sells and he actually goes out i don't know i think it's once a year or so and does presentations probably even more than that uh on this topic because he has a lot to say about a lot of research on it and he's going to be talking about a lot of so if that's if this is something that you want to submit a question we have a community tab on youtube here you can submit it on the community tab or if you're in our patreon group go to the discord and you can go to the i think it's the the production or live live tab down there at the bottom where i've said hey let's uh ask questions if you want to submit a question and you can do that right now but before we get into that i want to bring in our guests tonight joe and hello how are you guys tonight i'm gonna start with with uh with joe first and uh i'm gonna come to you mikey joe how are you i'm good brad it's good to it's good to be back on it's been a long time yeah we gotta get you on more often too and and mikey love it yeah and mikey this is the first one um i've had you on too for a long time you might become a regular for a little while too i know you're pretty busy so that might not happen as often as we hope but i hope uh hope we can see more of your face on here i would love to man i'm very passionate about this subject and i think we're ramping up to to something big you know i believe that all of this is the stage being set and we're gonna see some strange things happening very very yeah i i agree 100 i want to jump right into it tonight i want to talk to you joe uh about some of the things that have been happening you you've recently went to even roswell i think uh to talk and do a whole presentation on on this topic can you tell us a little bit about that i'm headed there next weekend um actually the july 4th conference the july 4th festival and uh galacticon is uh this coming weekend july 4th weekend i'll be out there uh six days and i'll be there with guy malone my partner of uh two decades or more now three decades and the two of us will be talking out there at the convention center wow okay very good so is it does it usually have a big showing or i i went there once i uh was there got the t-shirt and went to the the the uh what was it the museum they have there of the different things very interesting stuff there's uh there's a lot of things planned for the weekend uh guy and i will be we had an opportunity to get a place to speak at in the convention center there most of the speakers are are brought in by the museum but
5:51 you know they don't want our message they uh they want the toe the line message down at the museum so we always have to look for a place to be able to put a venue together and we were lucky enough to be at the convention center where the galacticon is going on at the same time as the ufo festival and we're going to be speaking thursday and friday uh back-to-back talks guy will be first on talking about you know busting the myth of uh roswell 47 crash and then i'll be following with a new talk uh kind of new talk that i've been working on and it's uh it's called ufos and a resurrection of christ wow huh can you tell i have a question i should get their i should get their attention a little bit i think yeah so this this thing you're talking about the galacticon is it like a christian event and then this other event is going on at the same time no so i'm curious how do you get invited to these things um because my partner guy malone has been part of work part of the city council and working with them for you know many many years now um he took his ministry from nashville to roswell he wanted to go to the mecca of all of this and set up a christian ministry there and he did that back in 2000 and uh we got together i think it was 1999 that we hooked up uh him and i and um the late pastor chris ward and we formed alien resistance and we worked together for for many many years and we we helped guy keep established there in roswell as a presence for you know the christian perspective um even though there's many many churches in roswell they they're just not you know they're still part of the agenda there and we've had to come from outside to be able to share the true message of what's been happening and i think the first time first time i actually ever spoke in roswell was at the museum believe it or not but it was kind of what we would call virtual talk now but this was way back at the early internet and the way we did it is uh i did a vhs tape recording of my information and i had the first experiencer that brought us to the truth bill d and i had him on the video and we laid everything out just like i was doing a talk we filmed it here in florida and then i sent it out to uh christian researcher beverly fox who was living in roswell at the time and i think she was working in the medical field but she was the state section director for the roswell area and they were holding their mufon meetings in the museum so we sent her the video and she played the video for the people at the museum that were there for the mufon meeting and then we opened up a connection with the phone line and had live question and answer with the people that were with us there in florida so you know it's early type of this type of scenario that we're doing now you know but we made it happen but that was actually my first talk and that was in 1999 and then we helped guy open up the uh the alien resistance headquarters is what he called it and that was 2000 and pastor chris ward and i went out there and uh we had chamber of commerce do a you know ribbon cutting opening and everything and uh they had an article printed in the roswell daily record which is uh the roswell newspaper you know the same newspaper that had the ufo crash story in it years and years ago and uh we started it was uh the the alien resistance headquarters that he started was basically a internet coffee house and uh he established it there in roswell right near the museum a couple streets away and that was an opportunity for people to come in and get the christian perspective and when we went out there with him in 2000 to help you know open it up officially with the chamber of commerce we actually had talks on uh on that day we were there and uh that was actually the first time that i actually talked in roswell but i was back in 2003 2004 2005 2007 2000 trying to remember which one it was yeah yeah 2007 was the 60th anniversary And I had an opportunity to talk at the festival conference there, which Guy was the actual director of.
10:26 And in 2008, I was the director of the city's conference for the festival. We had a CE4 conference that we were able to put on with the help of the city. And then I was back in 2009 and in 2010. And I think 2018 was the last one that I was there while I was in Korea. So you've been doing this quite a while. Yeah, 30 years now. So for the new viewers, take us back a few steps and tell us, can you do a five-minute recap about how you got into this? I mean, I know you can talk for a whole show about this. And so try your best to recap it just for our new viewers. Who are you? How did you get into this? And what? And why? Well, it was accidental.
11:24 I had no interest in this phenomenon at all. I was a blue-collar worker working at a boat company trying to raise my son, looking for the next thing to do on the weekend to relax. That was my life. And I accidentally got into this by picking up a book that caught my attention. And that book was UFO Crash at Roswell. The reason it caught my attention was not because it was a book. It was a book that caught my attention. It was about UFOs. It's because it was blurring that black, fine line that you have between reality and fiction. And I didn't understand how that could happen because being an avid science fiction reader, I knew what fiction was. So I bought the book. I read the book. And that just opened me up to a can of worms of questions that I just had to have answers for.
12:17 And it wasn't long. Keep in mind, I was an agnostic humanist at this time. I got involved with the Mutual UFO Network to learn more about the phenomenon. Became an investigator, a state section director for my own county. Started having monthly meetings. And that's where I encountered people that were part of the abduction experience. Through the relationship with those experiencers, I was also finding a connection with the New Age metaphysical realm that they were looking into for help. And because I had to honestly look at the whole picture as an honest researcher, I had to explore what was this New Age metaphysical realm about? Why was it something that was enticing to these experiencers? And next thing I know, four years later, I'm a full-blown New Age metaphysical practitioner. And I'm at a point now where things aren't doing real well.
13:16 And I was introduced to Jesus Christ at this time. And realized that I needed the protection that this Bible was offering for what I was involved with. And I accepted Jesus Christ in 1996, November 1996. So I've had the opportunity as a UFO investigator to look at this phenomenon from three distinct perspectives. One as an agnostic humanist. One as a New Age practitioner. And one as a Christian. And it wasn't. It wasn't until I became a Christian that I finally started getting real, valid answers for what this phenomenon is about. Fascinating. Very good. And so, and ever since then, you've been doing these talks.
14:04 Because I think one of the biggest things you've discovered, well, maybe it wasn't you, but you really pushed this idea out there in your books and in your presentations. How I found out about this and how I was amazed by it is you presented that the... The phenomenon really disappears by the calling out in Jesus' name. I think that's fascinating. Yeah. It was something that I accidentally stumbled on in one of the cases that I was working with. And I had to look at that a lot deeper and try to understand what was I... What did I have here with this case? And that was when I contacted some of the leading researchers in the realm at the time. This was back in the mid-90s, late 90s.
14:54 And back then, they could get a phone number from people back then, you know, at their house. And, you know, yellow pages or white pages or whatever. Not like today. So I was able to locate them and call them and personally talk to them. And, you know, ask them about this case that I had, this strange case. And that's when I found out that they, too, had come across cases like this. But they were hiding the information. They weren't sharing that they had... Come across cases like this. It just wasn't part of their agenda. And that's when I realized that, okay, if there's more like this and they don't want to share it, then there's nothing wrong with me going after those and trying to find those cases like it and sharing it. And, you know, they actually... When I told them that was what I was going to do, they actually said, please do, because we can't. And I took that challenge and I put myself out there looking for these type of cases. A case where a person had stopped his abduction experience by calling out the name and authority of Jesus Christ.
15:58 And next thing I know, once we got the information out there through being blessed with a newspaper article locally, that went national on us. And then later, that same article was printed on the early Internet on CNI News. So that took it worldwide. And then a few months later, we had the same article that was published. It was picked up by the famous Flying Saucer Review magazine out of England and printed in its entirety in August of 97. And it was like, we couldn't have promoted this any bigger ourselves. And then next thing we know, we got testimonies coming in from all around the world, not just here in America, even though it's primarily America. So over the past 30 years now, I quit counting a long time ago. But last I recall, it was over 600 cases that I'd worked.
16:50 Where people had been able to stop the experience by the name and authority of Jesus Christ. But something we came across that kind of threw a wrench in the system back in 2004. It was a conference in 2004 in Roswell that I met the lady, Ann Druffle, that had just published a book, Stopping Alien Abduction. And I thought, oh, we got problems now. Because in her book, she lists all these different ways that people said they've been able to stop an abduction. And calling to a higher power was just one of those. And it was down the list, you know. So I'm thinking, hmm, this is muddy in the waters on the research. But Pastor Chris Ward, in his wisdom, pulled me aside and said, don't be concerned with this at all. And I said, why is that? And he says, this is only a matter of terminology.
17:44 You're not just showing that these people can stop this experience by calling on Jesus Christ. You're showing that these people can stop this experience by calling on Jesus Christ. You're showing that they can terminate it as a life pattern through a relationship with Him. That's the difference. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And we've seen, going over the different topics and different interesting clips on this channel, just recently we've seen that the government has even said when they start observing this stuff, they have different material things that appear. And this hitchhiker effect happens on their military bases. And so this isn't just a small thing that is happening to some person in a field somewhere or maybe on a farm. This is something that's happening in the military bases. In fact, a friend of mine, I'm not going to say who or how I know them because they don't want me to, but they have said that there has been officials that have been closely monitoring the psychology of, because that's their profession, of some of these military bases.
18:50 And I won't say which one, but I know it sounds, I hate it when people do that. But the truth is people have, they have careers and they don't want to be identified. But has first person come to me and I've seen them, they said, we know that these military bases are having trouble with this. And they're having trouble with things appearing to them when they observe this NHI or these UAPs that are so prevalent in the news right now. And they're having severe trouble with it. And psychology doesn't know how to answer it. Only religion does. And so I think it's very important what you're doing. Let me look at some of the questions that we've had because I asked a few people to read it or type in and see if there's anything that they would like to ask you because I know there's a slew of different things that you would know that maybe I wouldn't.
19:51 I don't know the specific answers to. And while I read those, Mikey, if you have any questions for him or if you have any statements, feel free. Yeah, I was going to say, Joe, you played a big role in me coming to this truth, too, because I was raised as a Christian, but my whole life was obsessed with this paranormal activity, UFOs, ghosts, all that kind of stuff. And the church was never giving me good answers. And so that, you know, I accepted Christ at like age nine. But by age 12, I was just like, man, these people, they don't have the answers and I have the truth. And so I started going into the world of witchcraft and things like that, but was just always obsessed with aliens. My whole ceiling was just like aliens hanging from strings and stars and UFOs. I collected alien memorabilia and those little stickers you get at Pizza Hut and stuff, alien heads and anything alien, especially the movie Fire in the Sky, because it was based on a true story.
20:51 And the movie Communion, both those movies were based on true stories. They freaked me out, but yet I was so drawn to them because I was so intrigued by the phenomenon. When I finally became a Christian, I was like, OK, well, God, you know, God made this vast universe. So maybe there is life out there. And I still didn't I still didn't know what to do with the two ideas, except to believe that, well, God created everything. He created the aliens. And. I don't know, around 2009 or so, I think, is when I saw ancient aliens. And so as a Christian who wasn't reading his Bible, I'm seeing stuff on History Channel, you know, the reputable source, right? History Channel telling me that Moses was led out of the wilderness by a UFO beam.
21:43 And that was the pillar of fire. And in the at nighttime or in the daytime, it was a pillar of cloud, which was the exhaust from these. Ships boy and Ezekiel saw a wheel within a wheel with eyes all around. That was the the lights that are on the brim of this thing. And it just all made sense to me. I was like, OK, well, if if God sends agents like angels to shut the mouths of lions, why wouldn't he send? Hey, hey, aliens, you need to go down there and help these people out of the wilderness. And so for a while, I really, like, believed that way from, like, 2009 until about December 2011. So nine, 10 and 12. About three years, I believe that. And I remember watching a movie, a documentary. I started, you know, I really believe it was God because I was just blinded. I was blinded like everybody else. But God was really opening my eyes about the Illuminati and just these different things.
22:38 New World Order, stuff like that that made Revelation become a reality to me. And I watched a documentary. Somebody sent it to me and they said, you should watch this. And the title was just like. Angel or aliens or demons or something like that, or fallen angels or something like that. And I was like, I've heard that kind of stuff before. It doesn't really make sense. Why would a demon crash a UFO or something like I had a lot of questions, but when I watched it, it blew my mind. And there was definitely clips of you in there talking about people coming out of these experiences. And I had seen the part where you were saying, like, you were a new ager and you were going through these. If I remember correctly, this is years ago, but you were saying you were going through a box of VHSs of testimonies with your friend. You went through the whole box and you were just like asking God, like, I got to know what this is.
23:32 And God was saying, you've already seen it. And you went back through the tapes. You put a tape in and all of a sudden you and your friend are like, how do we miss this? We both miss this. And it was somebody saying they came out of the experience by claiming the name of Jesus. And, you know, that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This just opened up a whole new, it opened my eyes big time because I was totally as a Christian believing that aliens were being used in the Bible and everything and just not understanding how anyone could even believe that aliens were demonic. I'd heard my grandmother say that kind of stuff and I didn't believe it. It didn't even make sense. But now that I understand that, you know, there's a huge deception coming upon the earth and Satan can't come out. As Satan, he's not going to be able to, you know, he's not going to be able to come out with all his angels and say, Hey, I'm Satan and all my demons and we want you to worship us.
24:30 But he's creating this mythology about himself that they're really, he's really just twisted the terminology in such a subtle way that it's not, it's not a cosmic war between good angels and bad angels. It's good aliens and bad aliens. And now you can get atheists on board because they don't believe in supernatural, but they can. Believe in cosmic beings from another world. And so just that subtle little twist is the biggest deception and it will deceive millions of people if they don't hear messages like this that we're talking about. You know, there's two major points you brought out in your story. The one where you couldn't find answers, you know, in the church, they didn't have the answers for you. But I found out that that's why these experiences were gravitating. The new age metaphysical realm, because everybody seemed to have an answer for them.
25:24 You know, here, try this. Let me try this. You know, I got this special healing power that will work with you. You know, they were there to pull them in, you know, with their snake oil to offer them. But the church wasn't giving answers at that time. And I still don't think they're fully giving the answers now. The other part is, is you as a testimony is important because you. You came to the truth by hearing the truth. That's repeatability. And I have case upon case like like yours, where people have contacted me and said, I've read your information or I've seen your information. How can you help me? And that's when I share with them what everybody else had done through a relationship with Jesus Christ. And I said, if you follow this like they have and build that relationship. And accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
26:23 I believe the same thing can help you. And lo and behold, they come back later with a testimony that I can add to the numbers to say this works entirely. Amen. One of the things you mentioned, good, really good points that they bring out was one of the questions that was brought up. And actually leads into a previous discussion that I had with a man named. Courtney Brown of what in a previous episode, Courtney, and I'll get to the question in a moment, but Courtney said that he wanted to bring out two main points. And I think he was kind of platforming when, when he was on the channel, but he wanted to bring out two main points when he was talking. And he said he believed that the dead are not really dead. And he also said that there, there's some kind of a, that you don't necessarily go.
27:19 Anywhere when you die. And he said, number two, he wanted to really push out there that there wasn't a, um, that we should not believe per se, but we should focus on what we perceive. And so obviously Courtney hasn't had a Christian perspective. And I, I think that was absolutely, uh, uh, the points he was trying to make here in a roundabout way, which I wholeheartedly don't believe in. But one to my question. One of the, uh, uh, submitted questions was, um, to you, Joe, he said, has anybody, or has anyone that you've interviewed or, or, uh, as a MUFON, uh, researcher, uh, saw dead people and that they believe are relatives and called upon Jesus's name and had a supposed relative leave or disappear. Uh, and what do you think about that whole scenario? Well, definitely there's record of people that. Have had encounters with dead relatives or not just dead relatives, but personages of, of fame or notice that they encounter during the experiences, supposedly while on a craft, um, the dead relative thing.
28:39 Is, uh, I think is used to try and calm the person. Uh, it's part of the effect, the control factor that these beings are using. Uh, as part of this delusion. Whitley Strieber talks about this in cases that he's come across. And one of the first times I ever heard it was from researcher Barbara Betholick, where she talks about cases where somebody had encountered beings that were showing them dead relatives and they actually met the dead relatives on the craps. That doesn't make any sense at all. If you're talking about an extraterrestrial biological entity, you know, that's coming to visit us. This, this is mixing apples and oranges, big time. That doesn't make sense. That's something that I would call a red flag that I would have to hold in my hand and say, okay, this is a red flag that makes us question what this reality is really about.
29:35 Absolutely. And, um, just for our, our Christian crowd, what I have to ask this, obviously I believe exactly what you're saying, but what is it about the dead relatives appearing? That makes you think that they aren't from heaven. Yeah. Um, that's not supposed to happen from my understanding of biblical scripture. Uh, that's not supposed to happen until a future time that we meet our dead relatives. And that is a major, that's why it's a major red flag. So they're going against something that scripture tells us about where the dead reside. Mm-hmm. 100%. Yeah. The Bible strictly forbids necromancy, so yeah, no communication with the dead. That's what happened at King Saul. He wanted to talk to Samuel and he went to a witch and, you know, something happened.
30:35 I believe it was a demonic deception. It says that Elohim came up from the earth and she screeched and all this stuff. Um, and then it says that he perceived it was Samuel, um, but he wasn't supposed to be communicating with the dead and as, and. Mm-hmm. It's not because God wants to keep some kind of power from us or whatever. God knows if you're supposedly communicating with the dead, you're really communicating with demons. God's never trying to hold anything back from us. That's good. You know, uh, playing around with witchcraft, you might think, oh, it's just herbs and all this stuff. But really when you willfully pull out a Ouija board, willfully pull out tarot cards, willfully light sage and all these things, you're giving permission to the spirit. World to demons to have access into your life. You're willfully allowing them.
31:26 It's where this whole vampire story thing comes from that they can't come in unless you open the door. That really is how the demon realm works. We have to give them permission, but we do it in a lot of different ways. If you're putting little idols in your house, because you just think they look cute or whatever, a Buddha statue, you're giving permission. If you're smoking marijuana, you're drinking spirits or you're. Mess. And around with, you know, drugs and things like this, these are all things that are a gateway to, uh, door to letting the enemy in, you know, and it's also this whole concept of the dead relatives during a UFO experience that shows that it's all tied into all of the other types of deceptions that the enemy can throw at us. Look at ghost hunters. That's not supposed to be happening. You're not seeing dead relatives. When you're ghost hunting, you're seeing familiar spirits. They knew your dead relative. They knew your dead relative better than you did. They can mimic them. They can talk like them. They can do whatever it takes to get you to believe what they're trying to show you.
32:32 And then you have the whole idea of, uh, near death experiences where they're meeting dead relatives. I believe that all of this comes together and shows you that this is one force perpetrating many types, many facets of this delusion. Upon. Humanity. I'm just so glad you believe that way too, because I know a lot of Christians that just without question, believe these near death experiences almost like you can't question near death experience. Like I I've made videos and posts and everything about why these things can't be trusted and people just act like, no, I mean, if it happened and it's real, I'm like, well, I've, I've watched a documentary. I think it was when, uh, Netflix, like just came out or something. I remember watching some documentary about near death experiences and most of them were not from Christians. I don't know if any of them were, and there was a woman, she was an atheist psychologist or something.
33:34 And she said, I was floating up to the light of love and it was this amazing feeling. And she said, I remember asking, does everyone get to experience this? And the light said, yes. And she said, even Hitler and the light said, yes. And she came back to her body. And she said, you know what? And from now on, I'll never fear death because it's the greatest experience. We all get the experiences. Now, if that's a, if you can't question near death experiences, we have to accept her experience. We have to experience, we have to, uh, accept every, every experience. They don't always, you know, coexist. They don't, they don't, they're not always, uh, what's the right word I'm thinking. Um, they're not always the same story. Yeah. Yeah. I can insist on that. You know, yes. You know, this is the same problem with the abduction experiencers.
34:25 You know, they, they say that I can't talk about this, their experiences. It comes back to where you hear the same thing from all of them. I know what I saw and that's the delusion. They've been deceived to the point to where they can't tell the reality from non-reality anymore. You know, this whole thing that I talk about. That we found in our research that the abduction experience is not a physical taking of the person, you know, what we found there with, this is a demonic spiritual visionary experience. And then I'm not the only one that said that, you know, there's a lot of the leading researchers back in the nineties that were in eighties, seventies, eighties and nineties that were looking at this, realizing that this doesn't make sense. This, this UFO phenomenon is, is something other than.
35:19 You know, there, there's, there's a paranormal aspect to it and they were seeing this too. They just couldn't put their finger on it. They didn't have the evidence for it. Like the testimonies that I bring forward. But Dr. Carla Turner, the late Dr. Carla Turner, her and her family were experiencers and she had major insight into this phenomenon and she was able to see it from a very deep perspective. And she says the same thing. She believed that what we were, what the. Duck these are experience was a virtual reality type experience. In other words, it wasn't real, but everything that they talked about actually happened to them. They believed to be real to the point that you try to share with them that it could be something else and they really get hot style with you. And that's the same thing that I come across. It's not me that convinces them that what they experience was not what they think it is.
36:18 All I can do is. Plant the red flags of doubt and let that seed of doubt grow. It's the Holy Spirit that works through them, that gives them the truth of what they experience when they come to a relationship with Jesus Christ. That's when they're actually open to being accepting of the truth and that truth. The Holy Spirit will show them. Hundred percent. One of the things that Courtney said in the interview was that he was having an experience with his daughter aboard a craft. And. And what I've seen just just doing my own small research, Joe, I'm sure you have a lot more experience with hearing these stories is that there is some form of procreation that they manipulate into your mind to think that you have this bond with something else in the craft and going along the same lines of seeing dead relatives and things like that. Have you noticed any characteristics that of these dead relatives or of the experience that shows it is a. Demonic entity. Well, the biggest thing that shows what this actually is that they're dealing with.
37:29 Is based on the communication. You have to look at the communication that these entities share with the experiencers, whether it be a ducty or a contactee. It's always about the message. That's the source of what you're what you're you're looking at. And it's always antichrist. Antichrist, anti God, anti creation, anti Bible. So there's a red flag if you think about this. So we have beings coming from vast distances across the universe to proselytize an alien gospel against Christianity. It's only Christian Christianity, they say, is wrong. But excuse me. How many belief systems do we have on this? On this planet? Yeah. But well, technically, I'll give you that answer. There's only two.
38:27 There's those that believe that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh. Okay. Born of a virgin died on a cross, rose again on the third day, ascended to father in heaven. And then there's all the others. And they only come here to bash this one and change our thinking of this one. Yeah. Yeah. 100 percent. Yeah. I agree. Go for it. Well, you know, we're talking about these. Well, if I saw it, then it's got to be real and all that kind of stuff. What about when Satan manifested as a serpent in the garden? He's talking to Eve. You know, I know he was a serpent. Right. And then, you know, when Moses was doing these miracles, the pharaohs and stuff, they had the power to make their rods turn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
39:16 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then they made their rods turn to snakes and they did other miracles too, right? They did other, they counterfeited other things. I can't remember what all they did. But I'm thinking about in Revelation 13, 14, it says, and deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles, which they had power to do. So we know that something demonic is coming in the last days in Revelation that can do miracles. Revelation 16, 14 says, for they are the spirits of devils working miracles. They can do anything they want, because they're the servants of the devil. They're the servants of the devil. They can do anything they want, because we know that they've got to be working with other flocks. We know that they're going to be working with the devil. We know that they're going to be working with the devils working miracles, which go forth to the kings of the whole world. So we know that they're going to be working with government, military, higher ups, miracles, demons. These are what the Bible says. And in 1 Timothy 4, 1, it says now the spirit expressly says, or the spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times, which I believe we're living in now, some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of Devils yes so it's that you can't depart from something you never had we're talking about something that is going to be so deceptive that even Christians are going to depart from the faith because of this seducing miracle working spirits that are going to the kings of the earth and the whole world and deceive a number like the sand of the sea towards fighting against Christ you know to say it's a go ahead well I gave this talk in I gave an alien talk in Arizona last weekend and this lady came up to me and she didn't look like she belonged in that church she looked more like she came off the streets and was on drugs and things and she was showing me like pictures on her phone she's like I got pictures of him and she's like I got pictures of him and she's like I got pictures of him and she's like I got pictures of him and she's like I got one of them was really convincing I mean this was like it looked like a big one of them was really convincing I mean this was like it looked like a big like a Star Trek shape you know the Star Trek logo with lights on it and you like a Star Trek shape you know the Star Trek logo with lights on it and you could see the lights were illuminating parts of that ship the rest of them could see the lights were illuminating parts of that ship the rest of them kind of look like just blurry lights but I said well what do you think they are kind of look like just blurry lights but I said well what do you think they are and she said oh they're aliens and I was like well you don't think they could and she said oh they're aliens and I was like well you don't think they could be like a demonic deception you goes no because they weren't trying to hurt me the the if it's satan he's got to be coming to hurt you right and he can't be tricking you along the way but but the snake didn't hurt eve he simply just spoke to her eat this fruit and he and he spoke in truth that's like god not say you could eat of every tree well you left out the last part that's the deceptive part is that 99.9 of truth is not truth and then he said if you eat this fruit your eyes will be open and you'll know good and evil like god you know he was speaking in truth and he didn't hurt her in any way he just talked to her even when satan was tempting jesus he didn't hurt jesus but he did things here's another good point he took jesus physically to a mountaintop or on top of the temple so if it's not crazy to think that we could be taken into some mother ship right or or see going to heaven when you're under the influence of all these pharmaceutical drugs and things right i want to come back to that point but i want to go to you joe if you want to say anything about that that's a really interesting point mikey well looking at the the scriptures that mikey was using from
42:59 revelation it's so those support the ones from second thessalonians where it talks about the strong delusion that god would send and i believe that this is what we're actually seeing all these things that were foretold that were to come it says god will send a strong delusion and the outcome is the same as what you said mikey from other scriptures the outcome would be the same that if it were possible they would be deceived the the thing about the kings the kings being deceived okay the leaders of the world i think that's what we're experiencing right now in in a way that is just so mind-blowing to me they're doing everything they can if you listen to the congressional hearings they're doing everything they can to convince us that we're dealing with a physical being from another system that's here in physical crafts everything about it is physical that we're actually being visited like if they were to walk up and you know next to us and they're right there everything is that they're pointing to is about a physicality with these beings but the leading researchers that have been talking about this and my the research that i've done shows that this is everything but a physical being that we're dealing with we're dealing with a spiritual being that has the ability to become physical and i think that's a major part of the deception the governments are being deceived on a level that's way beyond what we're being deceived that okay we're recognizing this for what it is even the secular researchers in the ufo realm a lot of them are starting to point to this to be Otherdimensional, extra dimensional, interdimensional, ultra dimensional, whatever term they want to use to substitute for the term that we all agree on as being spiritual.
44:52 OK, and they're doing the governments are doing everything they can to keep us from looking at that point of view, because I think the biggest thing that that they're afraid of is if we look at that from that point of view, they can't protect us. OK, and they want us to rely on them. This is why the fear factor comes out that they're sharing about, you know, this could affect our airspace. This could affect our nuclear plants, you know, our nuclear sites, you know, that they're bringing fear into this. We don't need fear because the research that I've shown, it only takes the name and authority of Jesus Christ and a relationship with him to put these beings at bay. And it's not just. Subductions I'm talking about. I've got testimonials where people have been able to have the same effect on a sighting while it's happening from something that is into the paranormal aspect of a UFO or UAP, which is the level that everybody's looking at now.
45:57 OK, so that name and authority is there. It affects everything in the physical realm and the spiritual realm. Whatever is coming at us, that's from that demonic realm. God wants us to know the truth. And he's there to support us when we accept that truth with this delusion. We don't accept that truth with him. You're going to be deceived by this. And the danger is it's an eternal. It's an eternal effect for you falling for this delusion. You get you don't come to the truth on this before it's too late. You're eternally damned. It's very interesting. Because I think. Courtney, like I'm still referring back to that because it was just a fascinating to me. It was a it was a very interesting discussion because he's he was he's convinced that he's having physical communication with these entities.
46:55 Obviously, they're demonic. I understand that. But and obviously, I do believe there's some kind of augmented reality that's going on here. But but we're absolutely absolutely. There can be some physical apps. But sometimes that, like you said, they can become physical, just as in Jesus is a time that Satan took him to the tops of mountains and things like this. I think it's fascinating. Going back to what you said, Mikey, but actually, this flows right into it. Bowling man, a friend of mine inside the discord asked this question. He said, I was just listening to your interview with George Jordan from a couple of years ago. He mentioned that some of these doomsday. Prophecy alien messages, he said that some of them, some of these aliens were telling people that certain percentage of people were going to be taken into spacecrafts before the destruction of the world. In other words, there were two possible ideas.
47:52 And he goes into some ideas here. But the first one he talks about, he says there seems to be almost a satanic secret rapture that is it seems that Satan is playing into the idea of. Saying that there's going to be a time where he's going to take away his people. Now, obviously, he's deceptive and anything can happen. But I think it's an interesting scenario to think that if people just start disappearing and their clothes are gone, are left on the on the ground, what are people going to think? What do you think about that question? That's an interesting piece of. That's an interesting piece of. Discussion there. I can tell you what I think about it. The rapture of the church is something that's talked about amongst a lot of Christians.
48:51 And the the question that they that gets involved in the rapture of the church is there's three possibilities that they talk about a pre-trib rapture, a mid-trib rapture and a post-trib rapture. And. They're not. Working together on these things. The one thing that that is interesting. You have to consider is the enemy knows scripture. OK, probably better than we could ever know it because the enemy's been around since the time it was written and been studying it and looking at it and trying to manipulate a way to make it not become fulfilled. OK, that's their soul. Purpose is to not lose in the end, yet they know what the scripture says they lose in the end, OK, but they think that they can beat this and if they know scripture that well, what is they telling us with this message, OK, could it be that they're actually saying something that is a reality, but they're trying to take credit for it and not have people fall for it.
50:08 Dr David Allen Lewis was one of my mentors in the very beginning of my research, and he believed he was one of them to believe this this idea that the taking away the rapture of the church was going to be explained away by the aliens as people that had to be removed that couldn't ascend to a higher spiritual reality. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's the way the Bible says it was going to be explained. OK, this is the same thing that was being told by Project World Evacuation, a channeled information coming from these entities. OK, so the question is, could it be that what we're being told is actually a truth, you know, that the enemy knows about and is trying to counterfeit it and take credit for it. so i don't know for sure we'll see it's interesting interesting what do you think mikey you were saying you had some ideas i it was some of those i was kind of confused a little bit on what you were saying i know you started out saying there's three different lines of thought i believe that and i do believe that satan is trying to bring things um it's like all these false doctrines a lot of them that i i grew up believing a lot of false doctrines and i believe that satan is trying to make some of those things manifest like i don't believe there's really going to be a beast rising out of the sea or something you know but maybe satan will actually try to do something like that maybe he'll try to create some biological hybrid beast i don't know and so when i look at the timing of the rapture i see that it happens at the last trumpet it says um at the last trump we shall be changed and when you look at revelation there's seven trumpets being blown each trumpet is being blown as a plague is being poured upon the earth so the rapture happens after the plagues because one trumpet plague one trumpet plague one trumpet plague seven times and then at the last trump then we shall be changed and be caught up to meet the lord in the air there's so many different like i've never seen a pre-trib rapture bible verse ever even when you look back as far as job he's talking about when man lies down where is he and he's talking about all these things he's really talking about how he's going to stay in the grave until his change comes and when you parallel that with when does the change come it parallels with what paul said his change comes at the last trump but the nail in the coffin is when job is describing it he says hide me and hide me in my grave until you're completely exiled of the man that you have loved and you're extremely much overwhelmed by the beans and the answered the prayer he's in the grave until the change comes and until god's wrath is passed what is god's wrath when you look at revelation his wrath is being poured out of the bowls of the plagues so if he's going to remain in the grave until his change comes and until god's wrath has passed then there's no doubt at all that the rapture and the resurrection of the righteous because we're going to be caught up together happens after the after the all the plagues are poured on the earth the last trumpet after the after the all the plagues are poured on the earth uh the last trumpet All of that. So I really challenge anyone to give me a verse that shows that there's some kind of rapture before the last trumpet or before the plagues are poured out.
53:49 And this and I go for it. I've studied all three in depth because I'd like to know the answer to that. They're all three valid. But when you talk about the preacher rapture, it gets into a lot of the idea of you have to go back to a lot of the Hebrew custom at the time where they talk about the first fruits, the feasts and festivals, because Jesus fulfilled that in a. This is what the preacher is one of the ideas that they talk about is after the resurrection, you know, he freed a lot of captives from the grave when he arose. And that's talking about bringing his first fruits before God, before he ascended. And that's supposedly the thinking there is that's a idea or rendition of the same thing that the rapture is talking about. And there's a lot of really good back and forth on post pre and mid trip. And I don't know the answer for that myself yet.
54:54 I will. I hope to be able to continue the work I'm doing, you know, all the way to the end. Whether I'm taken out at the end prior to I don't know. But my focus is not on all of that. My focus is on being able to try and save as many souls as possible. And yeah, I think it's a very theological discussion. My concern, my only concern, actually, my top wasn't to discuss whether or not we are pre-trost or mid-trib, because I know that's a big theological debate. But my focus was it's fascinating to think that. And have you heard, Joe, any any. Yeah. Testimony from these things that have said what they plan, you know, these things can't know for sure, but or testimony from a person that has had experience about this stuff, saying that there there is going to be some sort of planned evacuation.
55:47 And I think that's that's that would be interesting just because Satan, as far as what I've studied, likes to counterfeit everything. So regardless of what we believe. Whether you believe or what I believe doesn't matter at this point, what I think would be really interesting is if these things are saying we're going to counterfeit what we know is in the Bible and they have something that counterfeits it before the end. It would be absolutely terrifying. I don't think it would be, but I don't think they can do that. They can't take us. I don't believe that's possible. We're not seeing that in the abduction scenario. We're not doing. Even though that people believe. They're being taken, but I don't believe they have that ability. Remember, they're limited on what they can do. They can do counterfeits, but they can't do absolute miracles unless God allows that to happen. Keep in mind why I feel that this is something that is part of this strong delusion where that God has sent and allowed them to perpetrate this delusion.
56:51 Okay, because they're bound by certain rules just as they were bound with Job. Okay, Satan was bound with Job. He could not kill Job. He could not kill Job. He could destroy everything else and get him, you know, and bring on sickness on him and everything. And that's things we see in the UFO phenomenon. That's not any different, but they're not killing people on purpose. They're not doing that. They're not allowed to do that. They're only about allowed to test their belief. And that's exactly what we see in this UFO phenomenon. Anybody that comes and becomes involved in this. It takes their mind away from the one true God. It takes their focus away from the one true God. That's the purpose of the phenomenon. That's the same purpose that Satan was trying to do with Job.
57:40 To get him to disavow God. Yeah, yeah, 100%. My concern, I guess, is the telekinesis, or telekinesis, what's it called? Telekinetic, where you see something moving. We know this happens in the demonic realm, playing with Ouija boards and all kinds of other stuff. Even though we know these things are spiritual, I think they have a major effect on what's physical. And so if we see something moving around, I would be very concerned that people would start to think that it's the rapture happening when it's not the rapture of the Christians. Yeah, and that's a possibility. You know, sometimes people get confused when I say that this is a spiritual experience only. The thing is, it's both. This delusion is twofold. Yeah. They're giving lying signs and wonders in the sky for us to be deceived and to be attracted to and be seduced by.
58:32 But it's twofold. The UFOs are part of it, but the abduction experience is a different part of it. They can actually manifest into the physical, and that's what scientists are looking at. That's what the UAPs have got these people in an uproar about, the paranormal aspect. The ability to defy physics as we know it. And how can that possibly be? Well, we know it because we know that angels can defy physics as we know it. That's a natural ability of them, not a technology. It's so fascinating to listen to these scientists try to explain what they're experiencing in this phenomenon. Jack Sofardi, he described it in a talk that I listened to with him. He says, What we're seeing is like a skin, okay?
59:26 Whatever that visionary experience we're seeing in the sky is a skin. And inside the skin is consciousness. Excuse me? He's describing a spiritual manifestation. These beings can manifest into the physical. This is why I'm doing my talk in Roswell. With the title, UFOs and the Resurrection of Christ. Because what I'm taking is all the different passages, the books of the story of the resurrection of Christ. And looking at the abilities that he had in the resurrected body, okay? That's the spiritual body. He was no longer in the physical body. It was transformed to a spiritual body.
1:00:16 His ability to appear. And they didn't even recognize him until he allowed them to recognize him. Sound familiar in the UFO realm? Heck yeah, we've experienced things like that in the UFO realm. And the abduction realm. To be able to appear inside a room without an entry into the room. Just appear in their midst. And then to leave the same way. Excuse me? We're seeing exactly the same thing. So what we're seeing here is description. Description after description after description. Of an ability of someone in the spiritual body. Jesus Christ was in that form. And it's the same thing that we're seeing in the UFO and abduction experience.
1:01:02 And what I think is fascinating about that, along those same principles, is that... And I've told people this. I said, we need to make sure we define what spiritual life is. Because it definitely has a physical form. For instance, Jesus ate with them. Right after that. Even though he was in his spiritual body. We have in the Old Testament talked about how there was angels that ate with people. But they are spiritual beings. So there's obviously some physical form to these things. Well, let me bring that... Why did they eat with them? You have to look at the custom of the time. I think that's where this plays in. The reason that they eat with them. I have no doubt that a person may eat with them. I have no doubt that a person may eat with them. I think there's a question in the Bible. But I have no doubt that a person, or a being, manifested into a physical body.
1:01:50 Temporarily. An angelic being. There's nothing that says it can't put something in its mouth and it disappear. I have no problem understanding that. I do not believe that they're here, manifested all the way deep as a human being. That's not what they're doing. That's a creation. A manifestation is a manipulation. They're able to take what's already here. And come and make that firm. and make that form. The reason they eat with them is because that's the custom of the time, okay? You sup with them. That's a major part of the custom. There's a reason for doing that, and that's why it's talked about. Yeah, yeah, I guess we're dealing with stuff we aren't for sure about, but it is interesting because the Bible doesn't explicitly say, and the angels had stomachs. But keep in mind, maybe or maybe not. The same thing is with craft. These crafts, we've got case history after case history where people have encountered a craft at close proximity that actually landed on the ground, left imprints, left marks on the ground. It showed that it had weight, but it has no weight. It only can give the effect that's needed to perpetrate the delusion, okay? These crafts, they can do what they need to do to perpetrate the delusion.
1:03:19 Remember, this is a strong delusion. Whatever it takes, whatever it takes to make you believe it. Interesting. I have another question coming in, but Mikey, if you wanted to have anything to say, and you don't have to say anything, but I wanted to make sure I was recognizing you. Interesting about that. The Bible does say, and two men in white apparel asked, why are you gazing? The Bible talks about be careful how you treat strangers because you might be entertaining angels unaware and things like that. I think maybe they do have organs or something. I don't know, because we eat. There's fruit in heaven. There's the fruit that bears all these different, like 12 fruits, and there's the tree of life. And we're going to eat when we get there. There's going to be a big, long supper of the lamb and all that. So God created us to eat and enjoy and all that. But it is interesting that even in those new bodies, they can do like what you're saying. They can look different. They can teleport at the speed of light and walk through walls and things like that. And I've heard so many stories of people saying that they were abducted from right out of their bed, out of the roof. I don't really believe that this person was going to be able to do that. I don't really believe that this person was going through the roof. But I do believe that they're having implants, you know, some kind of imagination, some kind of vision implanted into their mind, just like people who astral project and all these occult type phenomenons where they're supposedly coming out of their body and going through walls and stuff. That's an illusion. And when you mess with drugs, hallucinogenics, mess with the occult, things like that, you're allowing the enemy to put those thoughts in your mind. Absolutely. 100%. DMT and all that stuff. I think it's interesting, specifically specific drugs have a greater effect I've seen on the spirituality. I'm not exactly sure why. I think we'll know about that someday soon. But the next question that came in is that it says from Marta, they say, is there a connection between Virgin Mary apparitions and the UAPs or aliens? And I want to also answer that too.
1:05:44 If you guys have any comments on it, what they've been saying, even in the last interview I had with Courtney, he mentioned that there are this common thing that have seen, which are female being presented and saying that they are specific things. Sometimes they say, sometimes they don't. There was a, I think, South African thing to some school boys, school girls that happened. And they, the, I think, it was the Catholic Church, actually, that said, oh, that's Mary. And it didn't present itself as Mary. They just said, well, they don't want to make the people fear this thing. There was some interesting information about that I won't reveal, but if that book comes out, has come out, Joe Jordan, I would love to know, we've talked about this previously, I would love to reveal that. But I don't know anything about that. So can you talk a little bit about this Mary apparition thing and how it's, so prevalent? I think it's another control factor from the enemy. The biggest one they want to bring up is the one at Fatima. Okay. And Mary wasn't seen. Okay. The thing is, it's described as every type of UFO that people talk about, the standard UFO sighting. But it was the messages that they got, the children got, that they shared later. That's where the key, remember, I tell you, it takes you back to the messages.
1:07:17 Okay? The watering system. But that wasn't really an issue, that was just a little wonky here. I think that it is a Mayhem. Yeah. It is. The problem is where you get this problem in the messages? Yes. What are the messages telling you? Okay, if it goes against what scripture is telling us, then you got a problem here. This is not of God. And we have problems in the messages coming from the Fatima experience. It's not of God. It's a mess. It's not of God. It's a mess. I think that people are looking for signs and wonders. The enemy knows this, instead of a relationship. People want to experience the supernatural. They don't realize that that supernatural experience can be found from the supernatural. Yes. That's right. instead of relationship they want to people want to experience the supernatural they don't realize that that supernatural experience can be from a relationship themselves with jesus christ that is the supernatural to be able to have a personal experience with the creator of the universe how much supernatural can you get than that but they're looking for these tricks signs and wonders something to pacify them you know instead of taking the time to build a relationship to to understand that they can give everything to him everything that they've ever done everything that they ever will do can be given to him and they can be set free from the bondage of it and that's what they're missing they're afraid to make that connection people think that and i guess it comes from a lot of misteaching and religion over the years is that we have to do something before we can come to you yeah that's not true he will take you as you are this is uh something that brings me back to when i was baptized uh in my parents church in 90s 96 after i came to the lord i didn't know where to go so i i figured i best place would probably be is to go to my parents church so they could see me publicly do this you know because they probably thought i was you know the lost sheep sure and when i went to the church i was baptized and i was baptized and i was baptized and i was baptized and i was baptized and i was baptized and i was baptized and i was baptized and i went there the morning that i was to get baptized there were five of us to get baptized that morning and the pastor brought us together before the service in the back room and he said there's only one word i have to share with all of you there's nothing you have to do to be saved to come to the lord it's nothing you have to change he takes you freely as you are but he says a word that i will leave with you all is you will want to do something before you come to the lord and i do something different you will want to change but it's because of your relationship with him not because you have to you will do it because you want to now that's the difference yeah that's what i was always taught my whole life that's that's such a important thing to say because we get caught up with the reverse of things and i've said it over and over again it's like what you want to do with your your significant other you want to bring her flowers well the person at the cashier register when you're checking out they can perceive either you're doing it by works maybe you don't love them this guy doesn't love his wife he's just trying to buy her love or maybe you do really love her and you want to buy her flowers and so no one specifically can say you're doing things by works because they don't know it's a mindset and so it's uh but it's a mindset you have to have between you and god and if you're doing something then it has to be because you're changed not because you want to change it's it's a very important i guess the best example the best example is right here with our testimony mikey you and i both we were deceived our lives were in major deception before we came to the lord we're not doing what we're doing we're not taking the truth out there and sharing it at conferences or churches because we have to we're doing it because we came to the lord to the truth through jesus christ and we want others to experience that truth that peace that love everything that we're experiencing through that relationship we want others to to understand and have that so that's because we've felt the truth we understood the truth and we want it for others also yep i'm not a pastor i don't get it i don't have any agenda to fill pews and get
1:11:33 eyes or whatever no i'm just out here sharing with how god changed my life about the fatima i don't know how to say i always say fatima fatima fatima um yeah i use that i use some slides in that in my presentation because it's interesting nobody like you said nobody describes seeing mary there was 70 000 people i think it was in this field and they say they saw the sun dance it was a a glowing dance it was a glowing dance it was a glowing dance it was a glowing dance it was a glowing dance is what they saw and they said it looked like a a wheel of fire so they're literally describing what everyone else would call a ufo but just like you said joe like you you looked at this thing through the lens of an agnostic the lens of a new ager and now the lens of a christian that's how i made the documentary i made called disclosed i take you through and when i give presentations i'm showing you look it could be this you know it could be military craft because we got photographic evidence that they were building those things but that doesn't line up with the ancient etchings we have of them so this is way before military crafts also 90 of the sightings aren't saying that we saw metallic nuts and bolts they're saying glowing orbs and things like that then i then i take you into like well new agers call them star people but again it defies physics when they talk about um these things can't be seen in the sun um these things can enter into an existing human body you know you can't no physical being from another planet can walk into an existing human body and and why do they appear just because you're meditating and because you're basically praying to see one that doesn't that doesn't make sense either on a physical ass on a physical aspect like beings on another world are somehow seeing you in a field and say well let's fly by because they want to see us um and then i bring up the other thing that i think is really interesting about the science of the universe is that we're not the only ones who are seeing things like these these people didn't think that they were they didn't explain it as seeing a ufo or an alien what they saw they described as spiritual so how come every time people nowadays see something strange in the sky we automatically resort to it must be an alien flying a ship because of all the propaganda all the sci-fi books all the radio shows all the star trek star wars men in black we've been programmed to think about it that way not not just that it's also that the enemy fits it to the culture that they're trying to deceive okay oh yeah at the time of that fatima experience the reason it came out to thinking that this was mary sharing messages with them that was a predominantly catholic environment okay that's what they would expect to believe so the enemy counterfeits what's going on from their belief system the thing is you look at it from the culture that's being deceived that we live in something that i found you know in my research over when i'm in korea that i had the opportunity to figure out is before i went to korea to live over there i believed what the leading researchers were telling me when they said that this is a worldwide phenomenon and when you think worldwide phenomenon you think that it's just as busy everywhere else in other countries as it is here in our country that's the first thing you think it's like if i told you i was college educated you wouldn't question me you would think i have a four-year degree well i don't i got a two-year degree but i can still say i'm college educated it's the same type of play on words when i got to korea and i found out that these people were not involved in this phenomenon it wasn't part of their culture they were well aware of it from reading about it and learning about it in their school system but they had no time for this and they weren't allowing it to happen and the same with a lot of countries so i had to look at what was happening here and what i realized is this ufo phenomenon this delusion that we're seeing with the with the super you know high technology type delusion it's primarily a modernized westernized christianized nation phenomenon it fits that to the t and on top of that i hate to get into it and bring it up but it's also primarily a white people's phenomenon so to me that's a major red flag that you have to put in that hand with the other red flags that makes you go this doesn't make any sense why is it like that you know why are these certain people being taken for hybrid programs and not others you know if they're so-called hybrid program on these are some racist people trying to come up with some hybrid you know dm's
1:16:27 and a because they're not picking everybody they're only picking certain people primarily white people from modernized westernized countries so something's going on here that don't make sense you know when you put all this together these are major seeds of doubt that makes you have to stop and look at this for what it really is and that's when i only found those answers for that from scripture yeah i remember when aaron was talking about that on this channel uh aaron um uh he comes on here every once in a while and he was he was he was i forget his last name but um yeah he's miller yeah we gotta bring him back on it was very interesting that he was he was presenting that from his culture and saying hey this isn't a this isn't a thing in my culture um and and then at the same time he was presenting that there was a a movie that came out called nope and it was a and i thought this is so weird how is it that aaron is presenting this and all of a sudden we have a primarily uh culturally driven movie coming out about ufos what is going on here very interesting they need to be pulled in to make this delusion effective they're going to eventually have to be pulled into this to this phenomenon and the biggest way it's going to happen is through hollywood or through the music program that that is part of the black culture that's going to seduce them into this when they can make it a norm there then they're going to be pulled in and deceived just like everybody else what was interesting was when i was all when i was in high school i was all gothic and had like a voodoo doll hanging from my backpack and stuff black people were afraid of me and they were like man i don't mess around with that witchcraft stuff you know i never dreamed i would see rap culture getting involved in the occult like i do now because during that time no matter how many people you killed in a rap song how much drugs you did how many women you fornicated with there was still some kind of like belief in god and um you don't mess around with the occult or the paranormal like that's just something you stay away from but like you're saying the whole world has to be sucked into this so now the propaganda machine is pushing out people like lil nas x like yeah satanism is cool um little oozy vert and all these people pushing the agenda of satanic things are cool even in the hip-hop culture and in the pop culture because like you're saying these people aren't having these experiences maybe because they're not as uh immersed in the occult realm but want the more people that open up to that you know the more black people who enter into witchcraft or the new age because i don't think there's as many black people dabbling in the new age and stuff but it's growing yeah and the more people that get involved in that then more people are going to have this experience there's another question that came in joe it says um when is your book two coming out and uh also they want to know more about uh uh this whole telepathic idea because that was presented quite a bit in the last interview of of how they i let him talk about this and uh i thought it was a little interesting he says the rest of the universe doesn't speak audibly it it it's telepathic i don't think that's 100 true but i i think it's it is interesting that um that we even we see in the bible that they are presenting the information through dreams and visions through uh what we hear and say so i i don't know i think that's interesting but uh what what do you think what when's your book two coming out and tell us about telepathy um soon as i could give a little more time uh we've been pretty busy uh at the rocket factory trying to get this thing up uh here coming soon and uh working a lot of overtime i've got most of the uh interviews completed for the second book and it's just going to have to take time to sit down and transcribe everything uh to get it into printed form so i'm i'm wishing it was already done because i know it's a lot of work that's that i'm going to have to do to make it come to fruition the the third one though um i'm already looking at and i don't know if it's it it might jump ahead of the second one but i'm going to have to do it to make it come to fruition we'll see but this talk that i'm doing in roswell uh showing that trying to show that what the spiritual body is and you know so that people can understand better of what they're seeing
1:21:12 you know from a christian perspective it's something that we already know about from scripture it's it's something that i can show evidence of testimony of going back you know over two thousand years from the written scripture and i want to be able to make it so they better understand what we're talking about when we say spiritual and so that third book you know ufos and same as the talk i'm doing ufos and the resurrection of christ i think it'll get people's attention you know i'm careful not to use the word jesus christ that turns people off but you can even attract a new age and other non-believers using the word christ you know not be specific on who we know he really is so i'm hoping that one uh will jump ahead uh we've got a friend of mine i'm going to be working on that one with we're going to do it together and uh we'll see how it goes with the talk at roswell i'll be doing two talks of that back-to-back thursday and friday and uh it came together pretty good in the presentation only an hour and you know 30 minute form but uh i know i can go a whole lot deeper because there's a lot of examples that i can use to get people to see that there's stories in scripture that show exactly what we're talking about and i'm going to be working on that one with the church and i'm going to be working on that one with the church and i'm going to be working on that one with the church seeing today and i think it'll be a lot more convincing but the second book is uh unholy communion casualties of a cosmic war and it's going to be some powerful testimonies in there it's not going to be a large book like the first one with lots and lots and lots of testimonies they're going to be very specific testimonies and what i'm showing with this one is the the uh the scale of this cosmic war it's not just dealing with the ufo abduction phenomenon it reaches into areas of the paranormal that people are dabbling in and i can i'm trying to show its interconnection you know between all of those pieces so people understand this cosmic war is all done by the same force coming at us with different you know different battles different battlegrounds you know to try and defeat humanity it'll also have i've got a pastor that's coming on board it's going to do um he's going to cover god's plan so people do get the message on what god's plan was from the beginning to the end but i'm also going to have somebody in there that's coming in um that was part of uh the masonic realm and he infiltrated the masonic realm and it was able to get their understanding of what their world game plan is and i'll be sharing that too so you'll see that it kind of mirrors each other but there's a lot of people that are going to be able to get their understanding of what god's plan is and it's a lot of counterfeit going on between them you know so it's going to be the concept i think is going to be good i think it's going to be a good read and uh the the artist that did the cover for my first book uh up where is it where is it at up here behind me um he's going to be bobby marcy he's already agreed to do this cover for the second one so cool i'll be looking forward to uh seeing what the concept he comes up with very good very very good and if you want to turn this into a documentary oh i'm i'm all for it whenever you're ready um also the uh just so people know my book's been available the first book piercing the cosmic veil has been available uh on amazon in uh both uh kindle and we get there within uh in kindle and in paperback and it's now available in audio and it's like 14 it's like 14 and a half hours so plenty of listening time it sounds good i listen to it it must be an ai format that they're doing but uh i played the sample section and i was like oh this is good you know and it didn't cost me anything they just offered it to me oh wow that's good wow i love listening to books and especially since the voice of the ai voice has become uh have been getting so much better recently and uh and and so that's that's really exciting i'll be uh i'll be passing that on very very good i i um there's so much more to talk about and i wasn't able to get to all the questions tonight but i think i got all of them in the discord uh of people talking here and uh i wanted to uh what are your final thoughts um joe and i'm going to go to the next one and i'm going to go to the next one and i'm going to go to the next one you too mikey on this whole thing and then i'll help you close mike my final thoughts are
1:26:04 we're not going to get disclosure from the government i think they can drag this out for a long long time um but we as believers as christians we have disclosure we don't need to wait on it what we need to do is take what we know as the disclosure and share it with those who are looking for the truth you know i would love to be able to speak in more churches they need to hear the story i'd love to be able to speak at more conferences you know people need the truth so that that's my big thing and i and i'm just praying that i can i can be here long enough on this earth to be able to reach as many people as i can reach what are your thoughts mikey i agree a hundred percent you know we we've talked about how the church isn't talking enough not giving answers and what hap what happens what happened to me church didn't give me the answers i went towards the occult same thing is happening now when the military is openly talking on the news like ufos are real we've been talking to non-human intelligences since the 30s it's time for the church to start talking on this because now you you can't just ignore it the the world can't ignore that the world can't ignore well the military is talking about talking to non-human intelligences but the church is talking about talking to non-human intelligences i'm just going to ignore that no they got questions and they're going to be asking the church so we need to be speaking up we need to be giving the truth we have the truth right we are the people with the truth and um i just love that i'm i'm seeing joe get to go to churches that brad has a channel like this that's been gone ongoing for a couple years now and more of us need to speak out if you want to invite me to your church i have presentations that i give i'm going to bolivia wednesday over the weekend and i will be giving the alien talk there and it'll be translated in the last time i went it was translated in nine different languages so i'm thankful for these types of opportunities but i think the three of us need to go somewhere absolutely gonna be sure absolutely let's talk let's talk after the show i'll might post this stuff in uh patreon content and uh we'll discuss because uh i'd love to do something more now that i'm a little more established with my my uh my income stream here and everything like that so i fascinating fascinating pray you want to pray us out joe and uh and uh we'll uh talk after the stream and uh we'll go from here sure be glad to and uh before i start it with all the questions you still have left mikey it looks like we got another show coming all right let's do it all right heavenly father we thank you for this opportunity to come together three brothers in christ we know you're in the midst wherever we come together with two or more thank you for this opportunity to allow us to share the truth with others thank you for the opportunity to get this message out there that you freely gave to us and we freely give back to those that need the answers and need the truth heavenly father we know that what's coming we know that the times are going to be in horror for a lot of people we want to be able to share the truth with you and we want to be able to share the truth with you and we want to be able to give them that protection your saving grace and we want to be able to reach as many as we can lord help us lord help us stay healthy lord help us live as long as we can to be able to reach that loss we pray for this station this this channel we pray for bradley that he can keep this message going and keep this attractive and attention getting and knowledge filled so that people know where to go to hear the truth and that's what's we thank you father for everything that you've been able to do for us here today and we ask that you make it available that we can continue to do this again and thank you father for everything in jesus holy name amen amen all right hang on for just a second guys and uh we'll we'll talk after the show folks thank you so much for tuning in as you know this is a broadcast is only put on through your contributions so if you're interested in helping out helping joe you can buy his book on amazon piercing the cosmic veil he'll have a new one coming out also if you want to help the channel continuing to push this message out you can reach out uh go to patreon.com slash strange normal and you can uh you can join our discord community our private community that is on there talking about this stuff 24 7 not just
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