0:00 and his wife says to me you have died and been reincarnated thousands of times i said it's appointed the bible says it's appointed once for man to die and then the judgment and she said joseph my spirit guide said jim burr is strictly of the biblical he would be a hard nut to crack he said we had a meeting last night with your spirit guides you have two spirit guys one was joseph it's joseph of the bible and he wants to meet you tonight uh at my sister-in-law's house uh his sister-in-law was into the occult you know that kind of stuff and so they were there the night before i mean he was on a mission from god i mean you can imagine if you if you have a ghost two ghosts standing in front of you i guess they're ghosts i guess they look like ghosts and he says he calls this guy out by name and he says you have got to go talk to jim burr my name is jim burr and uh i um have a issue with dyslexia and school is very difficult and so i was not able to to go on into education i joke about being a high school dropout uh but that my mind i dropped out a long time before i did i did actually graduate but i think god has given me a gift uh i think he's giving me three gifts okay a mechanical gift because i'm working i've been working as an engineer for dish network since there were three people at dish doing design design work and you know here's a here's one of the biggest telescope we ever built oh wow 40 inch telescopes up in new york right now and here's a telescope that that I spent eight years on, we could not build these fast enough.
1:59 Wow. That was kind of a pricey telescope. And do I need, is that okay where I'm putting it there? I made it full screen. And we had, if you ordered this in the 90s, 1990s, you had to wait 10 weeks. We could build one of these a week. It was a lot on this telescope. And we were 10 weeks behind. And then I did two for NASA to get data from Mars on a laser beam. They're using radio now. You can't really aim radio. The data from Mars on a radio beam would be like one megabyte a second. Footprints like a hundred million miles on a radio beam. You can't really aim it to, like you get a laser. So the laser, the footprints could be about 50 miles.
2:46 Data goes up. Now they're, with radio at the time they bought these, they were getting one megabyte a second. They said laser would go to a hundred megabytes a second. On Mars? Wow. On Mars, yeah. The laser would be on the orbiter. It's actually going around the orbiter. They could actually aim it from Earth. The footprint would be 50 miles. So data comes up to the laser and it's going around Mars. And so that was pretty exciting to, you know, to get a check from NASA. Yeah. You know, when you're not having education, you know, engineering degree. And so I think God has given me a mechanical gift, obviously. I think he's given me a gift to be able to teach. And the other one is persistence.
3:36 I'm on my 88th trip around the sun now. We already have 10 this year. I have 12 bookings are ready for the lectures in January and February before the month is over. I've got invitations all over. Oh, wow. Well, so that's kind of my background. We have three children. I'm married. Married my first wife. I'm still living with my first wife after 58 years. We're in Colorado building a few telescopes. You see some of the background. There's a 10 inch there, a Newtonian telescope. And well, there's parts of another 10 inch and there's a five inch way in the background there. So that's around five. And on this, you can see a solar scope here on the desk. That's for looking at the sun. You can see eruptions and so forth on the sun.
4:25 In fact, if you look up here, there's a picture. Oh, I took of the sun. Oh, wow. Look at the eruptions on the sun there. Yeah. So that's what's your telescope. And not mine. No, I don't build anything for the sun. There's companies that do that. And don't look at the sun unless you've got a special telescope. You go blind, you know? Yeah. So that's kind of my background. I've been lecturing all over the world. We've been, I think, about 4,000, 5,000 lectures. Been over at Russia, 22 cities in Russia, all over the many places of the world in schools and doing week of prayer in our academies. And so people love space and I love doing it. And can't do it forever.
5:19 But I said, if they call, I'm going. If I can go, I'm going, you know? Absolutely. So your background is also in, do you have a Christian background or are you of a particular faith? Yes, I was raised as a Seventh-day Adventist. My grandfather was a Methodist and started reading his Bible and said to Grandma, we need to be Baptists. And they went to join the Baptist church. And he kept studying his Bible and we need to be an Adventist. And it became. It became an Adventist. And I use this story when people come to the door witnessing. And I tell them, you know, Grandpa read the Bible and says, I should, you can not read your Bible and say, wow, I should be a Jehovah's Witness. There's no way on God green earth that you could read your Bible and become a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness.
6:15 Somebody has to say, I know it says this, but it really means something else. And it just can't. It just, it is just not there. Right. So, and then with my dyslexia, I was a little kid sitting in a camp meeting and a guy by the name of Phillip Knox came to camp meeting, did this show on this big space show. And that was his seed. It got planted. And then our county had adult education and I took the adult education and I started building telescopes because I'd been very mechanical, mechanical background. My dad was very mechanical. My uncles were very mechanical. And so I started building that telescope that you saw. And you know, that took me, it took me eight years on this one. And it was a bigger than anything out there. And I cheated. I looked at the Mount Palomar, the manufacturer, the company's building telescopes were in a mindset.
7:13 They didn't look at Palomar. I did. I did. This is designed after the Palomar. This, this scope sits in a three foot ring here. And it's very stable. The mirror is on the ground and you don't want vibration, but the other companies, their telescopes were up in the air on forks and tripods. And they were driven with a little seven inch gear. I had a 36 inch drive ring that would drive it. And it was stable and it was bigger. Mead had, Celestron only had 12 inch and I had an 18 inch. So it means it gets fantastic pictures because it can gather so much more light. And it went off. It sold all over the world and, uh, it worked, it was beautiful and lots of Chrome on it, but it worked. Yeah. And so that's how we got into this. And, uh, did you have a background in optics or anything like that before?
8:09 Or did you just, uh, you figured it out now and you can hire, you can hire people to do the math. I thought astronomers are into math. Hey, you can hire somebody to do the math. Okay. The rest of it's just a mechanical with this. Um, mechanical background, I have been working for dish, uh, network because I was in television repair and installing these great big 10 foot dishes. And I had designed a satellite system around a dip, buying the dishes and, uh, designing the mount for the, for the, uh, for the system. Well, dish network in 1981, there were three people at dish, uh, the founder, his girlfriend, and, uh, vice president there. And, uh, they said, well, you're buying these dishes from us. What are you, what are you doing with them? And I said, well, I designed them out. I just bought the dish and, and here is an example. If you look at this, I don't know if we're about quite sure where to hold this.
9:13 Okay. This is a 10 foot dish. Uh-huh. Okay. See how much irons on that? Oh yeah. Setting that to zero. Yeah. Setting that thing up. There's 25 piece of angle and you got to bolt together and that's an all day job trying to set this thing up. Absolutely. Well, I designed this system here. If you can see. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. With the crank on the side and everything, huh? See how simple that was. It was so massive, so strong, but so simple. Yeah. And it's dish network ahead of everybody out there. Um, and so, um, I'm getting to the story. Um, this was the front of a dish at the time, uh, they were using, uh, that assembly cost, uh, $85 and you had to drill holes on the dishes and Charlie, uh, founder of dish came to me and said, can you design, can you redesign, uh, a simpler, um, yeah, mount and, uh, okay, here it is.
10:17 You can see, uh, my dish. You could put on it at a bar. Sports bar. You could put it way up in the air. I don't know if you can see that little, uh, button hook there, that little feed. Oh, I can't now. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. That he made $3 million on that because it was $85. He went to $21. So I'm getting this story here because I was, I did design work for, for dish and, but the company that made this stuff gave me a key for their shop. And they said, you know. You do your prototype here. Help yourself. Just come anytime, day or night, take any material you want, help yourself do the prototype here because they were getting the product, the manufacturing, and they gave me a key for it. And for years and years and years, uh, I mean, I've had that key for over 30 years.
11:09 Um, although the company changed hands, but so I knew the guy very well, no, this is a company that didn't work for it. Did it made this satellite? Okay. It was a Ford deal. And, uh, so, you know, I would be in his shop three times a week, at least maybe four times a week because I started doing my telescope thing and doing the satellite thing. So I was doing both out of his shop. So I knew the guy very well. Okay. He was a good friend. But one day I get a call from him and he said, um, we got to talk, can we go to lunch today? And I said, yeah. And he says, it, it has nothing to do with our shop. It has nothing to do with our business. It won't reflect, it won't affect our relationship, but we have got to talk to you. So he and his wife show up in my office and we go to lunch and, uh, we drive into this restaurant and he turns, sets the truck off and looks to me and he says, you've been talking about your religion and it's causing some problems.
12:12 Wait, how did he know that? Well, you'll hear in a minute what I thought is why I haven't been talking to his people. How would he come up with this? But then he tells me, he said, we had a meeting last night with your spirit guides. You have two spirit, you have two spirit guys. One was Joseph and the other guy's name started with M. I didn't, I didn't get that written down. It's Joseph of the Bible. And he wants to meet you tonight, uh, at my sister-in-law's house. Uh, his sister-in-law. His sister-in-law was into the occult, you know, that kind of stuff. And so they were there the night before, I mean, he was on a mission from God. I mean, you can imagine if you, if you have a ghost, two ghosts standing in front of you, I guess they're ghosts.
13:07 I guess they look like ghosts. And he says, he calls this guy out by name and he says, you have got to go talk to Jim Burr. Oh my. He mentioned my name. He's not listening to his spirit guys. He's got two spirit guys and obviously they knew about spirit guys because they've been following this stuff. He's got two spirit guides and he's not listening to his spirit guides. And we want to meet with him tonight. And of course I, I'm not going to meet with these guys that, you know, I know what was going on. I said, well, um, how do you know these are true spirits? Yeah. You know? And he said, well, we asked him. And they told us they were true and he said, you know, uh, you have died, you've been died and been reincarnated as thousands of times and you're a spirit, you know, we know you're going to heaven.
14:09 Don't worry about that. But he says, if you'll take one more step, you can bypass this step of death and reincarnation. And, uh, he said, I know, you know, that, uh, you're a spirit. You've seen me drink and, you know, and swear and stuff like this. But actually he said in a previous life, I was very religious. So, uh, they kept telling me I've died and been reincarnated and now, I mean, they got into the blue light that's orbiting the earth and they got to talk about abduction, abductions when there's earthquakes like they had the big, it was one in Russia about the time and people were killed. Why? A lot of these. Well, the earth cakes are taken up in to circle the earth in the blue life. They're abducted to a spacecraft going around. Michael's in charge of that and, uh, they're, uh, they're being trained.
15:05 He and his wife are being trained for the gathering when, when this whole thing comes to, uh, we, I don't remember him explaining it. This is what the spirits were telling him though. The spirits were telling him that this is what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so I did, I documented it all. I have been reluctant to talk about it in my lectures. I never talk about it, but now we've got a little different format here and I thought, well, you might enjoy that hearing that. So, uh, the next week, you know, I mean, they just come in his wife and walk in and sit down in my office and we need to talk, you know, your, your spirit guides, they, they want to meet with you, but I mean, he was on a mission from God because he'd seen a miracle, right? And, and, uh, you know, it won't affect our relationship, but boy, uh, so I, it was six different times that they, uh, got together, wanted to talk with me, go to lunch, this type of thing. And, um, uh, we had all kinds of predictions.
16:07 Don't travel in the J months, you know, and, uh, the, the, um, be sure to park your car indoors because there's going to be hail, I guess, a J months, maybe don't travel. Um, and so anyhow, he was predicting stuff to happen. And one of them had to do with hail and, uh, on his car and, uh, he ended up getting hailed on his car. He was telling me how to protect my car, but then he got hailed on and I said, I said, you know, you told me that, uh, that, uh, about this hail thing and, and, and, but you got hailed on. How do you explain that? Well, they're on a different timeline. He said. Um, uh. And so, uh, these different meetings are obviously I'm not going there. I, that first time I tell you, I cried, I said, Lord, I had just gotten back from Russia lecturing in Russia when this happened.
17:04 And I said, Lord, I'll go where you want me to go. I'll say what you want me to say. It was like raise a hair on the back of your neck when a demon says your name. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And so the last time we went, it was six times and I didn't get my notes out, but you get the idea. I guess, um, the last time it happened, we're at a restaurant and his wife says to me, you have died and been reincarnated thousands of times, maybe a million, I don't know, millions of times. Anyway. I said, it's appointed. The Bible says it's appointed once for man to die and then the judgment. Amen. And she said, Joseph, my spirit guide said, Jim Burr would be. Jim Burr is strictly of the biblical. He would be a hard nut to crack strictly of the biblical.
17:57 And I grabbed a napkin. I said, can I write that down? I don't want to forget. I don't want to forget those words because it's not the biblical. It's not words. I might forget that because I thought it was interesting just how she said that Jim Burr is strictly of the biblical. He'll be a hard nut to crack. Don't take it. You know, they weren't trying to make me cry. They weren't trying to crack me. Just take one more step. Originally, just one more step, one more step. But now it's a hard nut to crack. They want to crack me. So that was. Did those people ever say what the one more step they wanted that these spirits wanted you to do was? Well, come and hear the spirits, you know, and take another step so that I could bypass. I would bypass death and reincarnation. I'll tell you. You know, he said, you know. You know, I know.
18:49 I know you're religious. He said, I can see it in your family. I can see it in your work. I can see it, you know, and I haven't lived very good, but I was religious in a previous life. Oh, boy. They'll try everything. And I'm just amazed that they tried to get to you because I believe that God is protecting us from them coming straight to us and talking. I mean, either way. Yeah. And they just talks about that. And more. No more. No. Had to say, OK, what do you guys want? And finally, I said, finally, the spirits, his spirit guide or his demonic guide said, finally, I can talk to you. And so that tells me that these things can't just open up a conversation with this day. We have to permit them to do that. And that's what they were looking for with you.
19:37 Yeah. Well, I have, you know, I've done presentations on UFOs and and probably maybe that's something you'd like to talk about. Yeah. I'll let me let me pull up my PowerPoint here. You know, the possibility of alien invasion has become more and more evident in recent years, with the House committee's hearing about the matter and increased sightings of UFO from citizens. About half the new cases cannot be explained. And they appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics, performance and capabilities and require further analysis. The initial Pentagon said if aliens showed up today, multitudes would freak out. So people need to be desensitized.
20:27 You know, spokesman for NASA are saying that they're going to materialize in twenty twenty seven. You know, and so I had another experience here. I'll talk about. Here's there's a picture of the binocular telescope that we designed. And OK, let's see. OK, here it's on the PowerPoint. There it is. OK. You see how we look down into these binocular telescopes. And so we had there's a monthly newsletter that comes out on UFOs and I get mailed a copy.
21:18 I'm in the telescope business and I guess they just decided I needed a copy of their magazines. But this magazine would come and I'm working in Denver and I discover that the editor is in Denver, North Denver. And I got a hold of the guy, called him up and I said, I've got something I think you'd be interested in. Could I come by and show you our binocular telescope? And he said, sure. So I drove up there and took a binocular telescope up. And now so you've got a telescope for each eye and it's got handlebars on it. And so I wanted to look at the jets. So what we do, we just with the handlebars, you just go up and down to find the contrail. Then you follow the contrail till you get to the jet. The gas just boiling out of these. It's just it really is something to see if you can see it at sunset.
22:16 The sun hitting that it just will blow you away. And we've been able to follow them for 100 miles. And I got a friend who claims he can see people inside the windows, you know. But I mean, you clearly see the jet and you know who it is and all this kind of stuff. And so what I told the guy said, look, we could take an ad out in your magazine and sell your people the binocular telescope. We'll give them a camera. So you got two eyepieces. We'll put a camera here. And now with the other eyepiece, you can follow the UFO. You could get these fantastic videos of the UFOs. And so he thought, well, he actually got to try it on the jets. And he was kind of really impressed with that and said, you know, we're having a convention every year. We have a convention near Vegas. It's on the river at Laughlin, Nevada.
23:07 And we meet at the Flamingo Hotel every year. And if you'd like to come out there, we'll give you 15 minutes opening evening. You can be on stage with your show us your binocular telescope. But Kabir, I want you to see something. So we go downstairs to a room just filled with videos, UFO videos. And then he pulls out a picture. And he said, I took this picture of a UFO last year at our convention. And I'm at the window. I'm out of the window of the Flamingo Hotel in Laughlin, Nevada. Here's the picture I got of a UFO right outside the window. Now, are these conventional what Hollywood sees as ships? Or are they actually the ground glowing balls of fire that the Navy and stuff is seeing right now? Well, I can show you the picture.
24:01 I don't have the exact picture, but I have a similar one here. You'll get a copy of it. And let's see. OK, something like that. Is what he. Actually photograph looks like a UFO. Yes. And it was outside the window. But what he said then blew me away. He said, you know, we go this every year. It's as if the UFOs know we're coming. Or is it as if Satan knows we're coming? Yeah. And when the evening meeting is over, they go out in the desert looking for UFOs, hunting for UFOs at their national convention. Flamingo Hotel, Laughlin, Nevada. Oh, my goodness. So I don't really care who I sell my telescopes to.
24:48 You know, I mean, I'm in business building telescope. That's absolutely true. So they took your telescope and hopefully they got some of what they wanted out of it. But that's that's interesting. They were they were down to buy your your multi your buy telescope. What do you call it? Binocular. Binocular telescope. Yeah. Yeah. So. So, you know, the way my program to come up here when I do, you know, these presentations, I point out some stuff about UFOs. You know, some of the sightings can be secret military. Some of it are obviously weather balloons. I know that for sure. Some could be holograms. You know, some could be just misidentified. Many are a hoax or just a hoax.
25:47 But like the highway patrol who is driving in the mountains of Virginia and Venus is really bright. And as he's driving in the curves, Venus just all over the sky. And he's just sure he discovered a UFO. But it was just the planet Venus. But there's definitely objects that defy all the laws of physics, you know, that we don't see any method of propulsion. We don't see propellers. Any gas. No heat. They're able to turn corners at a thousand, you know, a thousand miles an hour. So there's definitely stuff going on that that we can't explain. And I think it's demonic activity. I think it's preparing for a false coming. And Satan wants to come and deceive the world. You know, so, you know, people need to beware. Yeah. Yeah.
26:40 And let me just go on here. Yeah. They break the sound barrier. There's no sonic boom. There's no heat trail. They change direction a thousand miles an hour. And we have graves. This F-18 pilot said his squadron reported encounters, encountering the mysterious area objects that have no wings, gave no infrared radiation. They had no obvious means of propulsion. And they have nothing that can stop them. Midair. We do. At least that way. We know about, you know. And it's interesting. God made two types of beings. You know, he made physical beings like us that are subject to the laws of physics. But then he also made spirit beings like angels that are not subject to the law of physics. The aliens seem to be able to materialize and dematerialize. Jesus, you know, appeared in front of this. You know.
27:37 In front of the disciples. So if, what are the chances of, first of all, we know there's not aliens out there because we'd be giving them government aid if they were, right? But so let's just talk a little bit about how long would it take if you were going to try to get a spacecraft to go to the nearest star, Alpha Centauri, the Centauri system. The fastest thing we've ever built is the Parker. Parker Solar rocket. That thing is traveling a half a million miles an hour. How long would it take you, our fastest rocket that we have done now, to get to the nearest star? Well, if you started when Adam was created, you would not be there yet. You still have to have over 600 years to get there. It would take you about 6,600 years in the Parker Solar rocket to get there. Wow. So you're going to have to make a lot of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches if you're going to try to do a space travel.
28:42 So you see the problems, you know, with trying to do space travel because of the distance to the stars. And we see, you know, all kinds of attempts, people claiming to be the messiah, you know, all around the world. But what is really interesting. But what is really interesting now, if you Google the top rabbi, number one rabbi in Jerusalem, you will discover he says he is holding meetings with the messiah. I don't know if you've heard that or not. Google that out. The oldest, most respected rabbi. Oh, I did hear that. Yeah. He claims he's now holding meetings with the messiah. And there are other rabbis don't want to leave Jerusalem because they're afraid they're going to miss the messiah.
29:44 It is him. His coming is imminent. It's right around the corner. And he says, if you read about this, that very soon the name will be revealed of the messiah. His name will be revealed very soon. Well, what did the Bible say? The angel said his name will be called Jesus. He's been here. He's gone. Who do you think they're holding meetings with? Oh, yeah. I think they're holding meetings with Satan. Yeah. Getting ready for the false coming. You know, he's going to come as an angel of light and pretend to be Christ. And so this is, you know, very, very interesting. But, yeah, look that up. It's really interesting. It's just this is they're saying this is so urgent.
30:31 More than ever before. People need to get ready. The messiah is coming. We're talking to him. He's going to be announced his name shortly. And this is all a deception. I believe that was on the Jerusalem Post or something like that. It was a very official news organization. And it was written not in English. So it was very difficult. But I remember seeing that. And I got to say, pardon me. My puppy is trying to play with me while I'm listening. I'm fully focused on you, though. It's just that he's knocking me around. Because he's a big dog. Well, in one of my programs, I asked the question, you know, what if one day there's an alarm on your iPad? You know, that annoying beep that you get when there's some emergency thing.
31:19 Oh, yeah. Amber Alert. Yeah. Yeah. Amber Alert. So you get a news flash. It says urgent. Urgent. The most outrageously spectacular thing anyone has ever seen. The Hubble Telescope has a warning. The Hubble Telescope has just discovered Christ is coming in space. He has just passed Andromeda Galaxy. He's traveling at warp speed, getting closer to Earth. Oh, my goodness. Check it out. Check it out. You can see him. He's already on Facebook, CNN, and YouTube. What are you going to do? You're going to go, how many people, how many people are going to fall for that? Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know? Curiosity. Curiosity killed the cat. Yeah. I think it's probably going to happen, and we need to be ready for it. Absolutely.
32:05 And the Bible tells us in Matthew 24, 24, for there shall arise false Christ, false prophets, shall show great signs and wonders insomuch that if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Mm-hmm. And in 25, verse 25, it said, behold, I have told you before, wherever, if they say unto you, behold, he is in the desert, do not go not forth. Behold, he is in a secret chamber. Believe it not. If they say he is in on CNN or Facebook, don't look, for as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even to the west, so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet. They think it's going to be secret. That doesn't sound secret to me, the great sound of a trumpet. Mm-hmm. And he will gather together his elect from the four winds and from one end of heaven to the other. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
33:11 And Satan decides himself as an angel of light, 2 Corinthians 11 and 12. And it says, and he performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven. And he said to the earth, in the full view of the people, because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beef, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth, Revelation 13, 13. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass with a great noise, the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth and all the works that are therein shall be burned up. It sure doesn't sound secret, does it? Secret rapture. Not at all. Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierce him. So that's preparation for what's coming. But I also get into the Lucifer telescope.
34:10 I don't know how much of you have done with the Lucifer telescope, but we have statements I'd like to share with you from Jesuit astronomers there at the Lucifer telescope. I would love to hear. Now, Lucifer is an actor. I would love to hear. It's an acronym for the instrument. And they really wanted, this thing had to be called Lucifer. Wait till you see the gymnastics they had to go through to get Lucifer out of this thing. Okay, it is a large, okay, it is the large binocular telescope near infrared spectroscope utility cameras. integral field unit for extra-glossic research the Lucifer tell so they take the large say L from large binocular telescope it's the near-infrared spectroscope then do you till they get the U from utility and the C from camera and the I for integral the F for field unit and R for research and that's how what they had to do to get Lucifer out of this NASA says and this is in the 15 July 2014 aliens a new habitable earth will be ours in 20 years ET and habitable planets will soon pop up with in our new scopes NASA appointed the UFO czar the and NASA has all the also unless of the help of 24 theologians as part of its effort to determine how different religions around the world would react to contact with aliens and fearful sights from the great controversy 625 fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens the shadow triumphs rings upon the air crisis come crisis um no it's Satan the glory that surrounds him is answer , by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld and looks like I okay I'm looking for statements here by okay guys this is a Jesuit astronomer guy calm so long ago I can't pronounce it it's seal and Sol MAGNO the leading astronomers in the whole world in this program and I'm talking about the Hall here's another statement by Gillespie tenzilli there is information comes from another world and what's it is confirmed if the solution to this is to the multiple alien species that is going to be coming back what does it mean that the�? is going to be coming back, will you do that if we take it out of that, we're not going to be able to reveal what's going to happen to us. we're not going to reveal what's going to happen in our life, It will require a re-reading of the gospel as we know it, said Father Gillespie Tanzelli, professor from the Vatican University. If you do not believe in it, you are a heretic because that limits the creativity of God.
37:37 Dr. Christopher Grobelli, the vice director for the Vatican Observatory Research Group on Mount Graham, believes our image of God will have to change if disclosure of an alien life is soon revealed by scientists. So that's kind of my presentation on UFOs and aliens. Very interesting. Yeah, it's fascinating what's going on here. I even found some quotes from the Great Controversy that say that this is how the Hebrews, in the Hebrews' day, this is how they were fooled by the whole thing and how it's going to happen here in the future as well. I believe that's around page 552 and 556 of the Great Controversy, if I have the right book or page number. Well, the reference I made is Great Controversy 624. It's really interesting. Fearful sights of a supernatural nature will soon be revealed in the heavens.
38:44 Fearful sights. Fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the sky, in the heavens, through our telescopes. And, boy, it's happening fast. I think the Lord's coming soon. It really is. We don't want to be deceived if they say, hey, he's on Facebook. He just came. He's on YouTube. He's traveling at warp speed and he's in a spacecraft. You've got to go here and look there. The Bible says don't go, don't look, because every eye will see it. Every eye will see it. Absolutely. Absolutely. You're not deceived. You're not deceived. Wow. Wow. So that's an incredible, incredible presentation. And I think what's even more incredible about it is that it proves Christ is coming soon. I mean, you even said you found talking about how they want this. I've heard it from 2025, 2026, and 2027.
39:33 They talk about this stuff as if something is going to happen very soon. Not that we're putting set and dates on anything like that, and that's not the point of that. But the truth is that there is... Satan wants to be like God. And so he wants to be able to predict his own appearance and stuff. And so I'm sure... Yeah. I have seen several statements from UFO people saying that they're going to materialize in 2027. And that if it came today, people would freak out. Remember War of the Worlds and what happened. And so what they're saying, they need to be desensitized. We talk about it all the time. And then... When it happens, it won't be such a disaster. But it's just really interesting to me because there have been a number of theologians that have looked at, you know, the 6,000, 7,000 year thing.
40:33 And they come up to the cross, Christ on the cross, and 4,000 years. And we're 2,000 years past AD 27. You add 2,000 years to that, and we're 2027. It's interesting that the Pope has declared 2027 Jubilee Sabbath of 2027. Several things have been predicted for 2027. And I find it very interesting. We, of course, don't know, you know, your kid. The exact date. Yeah. But it is interesting that everything is culminating around this period. Yeah. Which is 2025 now. That's not far away. That's not far away. Absolutely. Yeah. There's a lot happened, I believe, in this, especially in this time period that we're in right now.
41:23 And we'll keep watching. And I think the Bible says, when you see these things come upon the earth, look to the heavens because your salvation draws nigh. Yes, that's right. That's right. You know, the Lord, we live in this world, this great controversy is going on. There was war in heaven. And I don't know. God had a problem. If you think everything was holy and perfect and free, and all the angels were free to choose to worship God, Satan decided that he could do a better job. And he went around and talked to all the angels. We know he talked to all the angels because he convinced a third that I could do a better job than God. And what's God going to do? God is, his hands are tied here.
42:13 So let's say he calls a meeting to illustrate this issue. He calls a meeting, and all the angels are here. And he, look, everybody's here. You all, you know that there's a coup going on. You know my character's been, my law's been questioned. My character, my ability to manage this has been all questioned, is all questioned. Did you miss him? I just vaporized this guy. Anybody else have questions? Any questions around here? You see, the problem, if God had just vaporized the devil, God's all powerful. He could have done it. But he's got a problem. And so I believe that this earth is a courtroom. God is on trial here. And because, you see, Satan has to display, I mean, he causes all the hell he can cause on earth because God gets blamed.
43:10 Starving children, where's God? You know, people say, you know. I was on an airplane coming out of Detroit, and a guy said, you know, I had my three cousins and my aunt all were dead in within about three years. I was so close to them. Where's God? Where's God? When bad things happen. And so I believe this earth is a courtroom. God's on trial here. God shows us the wonderful, the blessings he's given us. He's given us 20,000 herbs and spices. He wouldn't have to do that. You know, he could be eating dandelion grass, right? He has made all the wonderful things, the beautiful things, the children, the mountain, the hills, the trees, the animals. He's done all of this. He's given us abundance of food. And Satan's causing all the hell, the destruction, the misery, the suffering, the death, the cancer.
43:58 So we see in a courtroom. We see the good and the evil. Satan had to be permitted to display his color. So the universe, the Bible says we're a spectacle for the universe to men and the angels. And so we see the results of misery and sin and suffering. And we see the goodness of God. And the angels are watching us. We're a spectacle of the angels. So what I see in a courtroom, if God solves every cancer, heals every, solves every problem, fixes every starving child in a courtroom, you're tampering with the evidence and you have a mistrial. God is not going to tamper with the evidence just to make Satan look good. I think that it's all going to be decided as we watch. And, you know, we're on this subject. People, it's very interesting because much of the Christian world will tell you there's no other life out there that Jesus would have had to die.
45:01 If there's other planets, Jesus would have had to die for these planets. And so it can't be. There can't be. I mean, this is universal in Christendom. But if you look, Nahum 1.9 says, Iniquity shall not be. Iniquity shall not rise a second time. This is the only place that there's sin. And it's never going to rise again. It has never happened again. But what does the Bible say? It's amazing if you look at Scripture that there's life out there, I believe. If you look at Hebrews, we'll start at, well, Hebrews 11, verse 1 and 2, it talks about the creator Jesus made the world, plurals. If you look at Hebrews 1, verse 2, again, he made the world, plural. If you look at. Revelation 12, 12. Rejoice, ye heavens. Rejoice, ye heavens and ye that dwell in them. Who's the ye that dwell in them? I hadn't heard that one before.
45:53 That's interesting. Woe to the earth. Woe to the earth. Yes. Rejoice, ye heavens and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the earth. Then look at Mark 13. At the very end of time, Jesus sends his angels at the very end to gather his elect from where? His elect from earth, the uttermost part of earth, to the uttermost part. Matthew 24, again, at the very end of time, he sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds of earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Look at Nehemiah 9, 6. He made the heavens with all their hosts, and the hosts of heaven worship him. Look at Isaiah 45, 18. He made the earth to be inhabited. He did not create it in vain. He created it to be inhabited. What about all the planets that Kepler has discovered?
46:42 Were they made? Were they made to be in vain, or were they made to be inhabited? What about, the Bible says, were a spectacle to the universe, to men, and to angels. What about Job 1? It was a day when it was a big meeting. It's a space meeting. All the sons of God came. Yes, that's true. All the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord. The Lord looks down and looks like, well, everybody's here. Well, wait a minute. Identify yourself. Who are you? I'm Luke. Where are you from? Well, I'm from earth. I'm going to and fro on earth. He came as a son of God to this convention because the son, I believe, the atoms from other planets had come to this meeting in space. They're called the sons of God. You see, we can become the sons of God, the Bible tells us, but there's a sense in which Adam is the son of God different than you and I. If you look at the genealogies of Christ, it goes back through all the genealogy, way back to Adam, which was the son of God.
47:44 So there's a sense in which Adam is the son of God. I believe when you look at scripture and put it all together, it was the day when the sons of God, the atoms from these other planets came from this big and Satan represented earth because Adam and Eve sold out to him. So when you look at all these scriptures, you know, it tells me that there's, you know, planets habitable out there, but there's only one place there's sin. This is it will not rise. This is second time. This is the first, the only time here on earth. You know, I'm going to make a short clip out of this right here because that's fantastic. And what you displayed here was I haven't put all that evidence together just for, you know, evidence that there is other planets, righteous beings, righteous planets in outer space itself. But, you know, there's one de facto, I think, that really resonated with me when I heard it was, was when Jesus talks about. Leaving the 99. He says, he says he left the 99 and came down to, to, to find the one sheep and he calls those at the very, yeah, the one, the 99.
48:57 He says, those are the ones that are not fallen, that need no repentance of sin. What kind of, what kind of person needs no repentance of sin? We've all fallen. We all have, have sin in our lives. So how can, how can he leave 99 for one? One person. I think he was talking about planets of people or societies that he left to, to save our one planet or, or society, I guess you could say is a better word. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I brought up another subject and all of a sudden it just disappeared into thin air. I do need to make that clip, that clip of, of all this, because all this evidence together really, really proves it. And you're absolutely right. I've run across it. In fact, there's, there's one. There's one Christian non-Avonis, Christian guy that does this stuff and talks about this stuff and he has a documentary about ufology and everything and I tried to get him on the program and I got down to the day that he was supposed to come on and I said, let's, let's downplay the whole idea and not really discuss the idea of death.
50:06 I just, I just left it there. And he said, are you a Seventh-day Adventist? And he said, because of that, I'm not coming on your program. Are you kidding? So I, I forget his name, but he made, he made a, a, a huge documentary about it. He's probably one of the most well-known Christians that talk about this topic, but what can you do? You know, I believe I have the truth in this and I know I have the truth in understanding death and I'm, I'm, I think it's going to play a pivotal role at the end of time on this stuff. Absolutely. Absolutely. I just remembered. I just remembered what that thought was. Oh, you go for it. Ephesians 317. It talks about the length, the depth, the breadth, and the height. That's four dimensions. You know, we have, my room is long and high and wide, but what's this, you know, Ephesians 317 and it talks about the love of Christ is in that last dimension.
51:10 Yeah. But it's interesting because along this line. As I have said, you know, we have physical beings, which subject the law of physics. There are beings which are not subject to the law of, of, of, uh, physics, you know, and that would be good angels and bad angels. And, uh, it's kind of interesting because I think if you look throughout the Bible, uh, over and over again, it says their eyes were open. Jesus appeared in the room, came right through the wall and didn't recognize him, but their eyes were opened. I think they saw the. The next dimension, uh, Balaam was riding on his donkey and the angel was in front of me. He didn't see the angel till his eyes were opened. Adam and Eve's eyes were open all over scripture. Many places you'll see their eyes were open.
51:59 I think they were able to see to the next dimension, which is where the spirit beings are and the good angels and the bad angels. So, um, it's just kind of an interesting, uh, interesting. The veil was lifted from. Their eyes. The Bible talks about, yeah, yeah, very interesting. It's coming, it's coming down the pipe pretty fast too. Cause we've had over and over again, these have been in Congress. This has been talked about and, uh, they call them whistleblowers have come out about this stuff saying that the government is involved with this stuff. And I've never been into ufology. I've never been into this stuff, but when it's tying to scripture, when it's tying to the Bible, that's when my ears perked up and I go, Hey, wait a second here. There's, there's about to be a war about this. And we need to understand it as Christianity as Christians. So discussion has to be made.
52:52 Yeah. Very good. Well, I won't keep you any longer. We've done an hour and, uh, I really do appreciate you coming on the show and I know it's getting late, probably even where you are too. Well, it's court eight later for you a little bit, a little bit. I guess you're not Eastern. You're you're you're central time. No, no, I'm, I'm Eastern. Tennessee's divided. Yeah. Yeah, I know I was just there with John Bradshaw. We did it. Oh, that's right. Did a program. I wish I would've known you were in town. I I'm in the same place. I'm just down the road. So that I, I should've, I didn't realize it until someone had sent me your, your clip and he said, Hey, you gotta, you gotta talk to this guy. Can you close us with prayer? Yes. Father in heaven, we know father, we can trust your word.
53:43 And it's one of the only things we can trust in this. This world, and we're thankful, Lord, you have warned us and you have told us of what is ahead and we long for your coming father. And we're not fearful about it. We depend upon you to provide for our needs. It's exciting Lord to see that this earth is winding down, just like we've been told Lord, and that the final movements are going to be rapid ones. And we see how rapid they are. Lord, we just pray that people can, uh, uh, watching our program. Can be touched and, uh, can be blessed and can turn their hearts to you and follow you, uh, pray that they can pray to you and that they can read your word and learn and prepare for your coming because it's coming very soon. And it's going to be a stressful time for those people who are not saved.
54:36 Lord. We, there is a, according to Daniel 12 verse one, there's a tribulation. This world has never, ever, ever, ever seen. But the good news is that anyone whose name is written in the lamb's book of life will be saved and, uh, the people on the outside are going to be the ones that are going to be suffering the worst. So father, we just pray that many will find you and search you with all their hearts so we can be ready when you come in Jesus name. Amen.