0:09 I connected with a couple in my home church, and when I got there, they were doing what I learned later to be called deliverance ministry. A young lady was sitting in a chair with a bowl, vomiting up something, while one person rubbed her back and shouted, Come out of her. And I was asked to close my eyes and tell this woman what I see. She told me that those were my two daughters. She said this. She told me that. I could have never thought of that. When she told me that, no one else could have known that. That's a little mystical. I realized that she was on to something because she knew my past. Step one is to cut out your family and friends so that you are not distracted. And I start to feeling this arm go out, and then this arm goes out, and then my legs go out from under me, and my body is, I have no control.
1:03 I remember her calling out the spirits. I don't remember anything after that. What you experienced. It's traumatic. She's going back and forth with the spirits. She is talking to the spirit, asking it questions. It's answering her through me. I'm going to get to the bottom of this. She let me know that the Holy Spirit was answering her and telling her something, and that the spirits were answering also. If this is so freeing and good for us, why isn't it connecting us? Are you still experiencing this stuff today? Tell me about your story, Michelle. You have a fascinating story that I think needs to be told. It's more important for this generation to hear what you have to say about this topic than I think any other generation that has come before this, at least after the 1700s, when all this stuff started going underground, it seems.
2:03 Take me back to the very beginning. When did this start happening? What got you curious about it, and how did it come into your life? What happened? I grew up an Adventist Christian. I was raised by wonderful women in my family who lived the Adventist life. You go to church, you keep Sabbath, you open your home to family and friends, but you never share the deep things going on in your life outside of your immediate home. In summer 2017, I was experiencing what we could call a spiritual attack. Just bad news after bad news after bad news to the point where it shook up my personal life. It affected my home. It affected my home, my employment, and my mind, and my rest. And I was looking for help. And the type of person I am is I want to get other Christians to pray for me.
2:58 It's what I'm looking for. An answer, if they know it, and pray for me. The two always will go together. And I connected with a couple in my home church that invited me over to their home. And when I got there, they were doing what I learned later to be called deliverance ministry. And I just took in the scene of calling out spirits, yelling fire. There's prayer involved. But there was this confidence that something was going to be different afterwards for each person who sat in this chair. Did you go into this meeting, this like Vespers, this was a... It was a, what do you call it? When you launch a new book, the woman was... The sister to the elders whose home it was.
3:50 And she had launched a new book. So it was a celebration of her book. But when I got there, they were in the middle of what I learned to be an actual deliverance ceremony, whatever it's called. I don't know the names for this because I'd never seen or heard it before. So she was working on somebody. Yes. There was a, it was another family member. Because again, this is a family event that I was invited to. And a young lady... A young lady was sitting in the chair with a bowl and she was coughing up as if vomiting up something while one person rubbed her back and shouted, come out of her, come out of her. And whatever names were, these spirits were called. And my head deaconess was there with me and we're both just watching this. Eating snacks. Yes, because this was a book party where we're having food and it's a get together.
4:43 But at some point they started this... Deliverance. And deliverance made her throw up in the popcorn bowl then. Apparently, you feel like you are bringing up something. And you heard the retching sounds. I didn't see anything, nor was I looking for anything. And it's just going on in the background. And the other area, there's people yelling fire, fire, as if they're setting something on fire. And so it's a scene. And so we're just taking it all in because we're among friends. So I don't know what's going on, but I don't mind being there either. And I've got someone else with me who doesn't know what's going on, but we're just there. Did you think it was entertainment or did you think it was just... Or was it something that you were like, this is scary, I'm out of here? It was not scary to me because I was with Adventists. So I just figured whatever they're doing, this must be something else that I don't know about.
5:33 I'm new to the South. I'm from New York City. And this is how they do things here. I didn't... Okay. I shouldn't laugh at this, but I'm just like, this is so bizarre to me. But you were with friends. I was among friends. And you were... Church family. Yeah. And I'm also... Something about being a middle child, you just let things go on around you. Yeah. You just keep the calm right where you are while there's fire and all wild things going around you. So it's just... I'm letting it go on. My daughters involve yelling fire. It's a party. Like, what is happening? I don't know, but it's a party. But after a few moments, the woman who wrote the book, the author, who is the sister to the couple who are elders in the church or head deacons at the time, asked me what's going on.
6:23 And I said, wow, I'd really like prayer for what I've got going on at this point. My husband's suing me for custody that he doesn't really want. Not showing up for court. Now, I have to pay for an attorney. And I know he's not going to show up again, but this takes away time from work. My son's school is constantly calling me to pay. I have to pick him up. And then my job is threatening to write me up for all the lates and having to leave work. And so everything's connected. And I'm just doing the best I can. And I just need prayer. So all this going on around me is literally taking my mind off of my problems. So that's why I guess I didn't mind. And so she told me, based on what I said, that I was a good candidate for deliverance. And I said, okay. Huh. What made you think that she thought that?
7:12 I mean, just out of... Pure speculation, if you want. At no point, I didn't know what she believed. But I was just happy to get a different answer than, we'll pray for you. It was a confident of, I know what this is. We're going to handle it. Fill out this form. Let's get started. Oh, she had a legal form for you to fill out. It was a form like you would complete if you're going to see a new doctor or a therapist or psychology. Yeah, that's a no-sue-me form. That's what in the world. I didn't even know so. Because it was name, address, tell me about your childhood, what issues are you having in life. Pretty much everything you would need for someone to say, oh, this is why she came here. Did she say anything about, I agree to anything? I don't remember. It was on my, I just, I was able to do it on my phone, a mobile form. So she said, I'll send you the link. Okay. And I just did it because there was no money involved.
8:05 Wow. And I'm among friends. Everyone I believed was Adventist in the room. And this just seems like a process. Yeah. So let's do it. I'm open to anything that could help because all I'm getting is I'll pray for you and hopefully things go well, but no real solutions. Yeah, yeah. And I just want to make sure everybody knows I'm going to break the fourth wall for a second. I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. You're a Seventh-day Adventist. I don't know if you've been your whole life. Whole life. I went that way. And this is not common in the Adventist church. No. Deliverance and calling out demons is very unusual. Yeah. And to see somebody say that is like a little bizarre, right? Yes. I hadn't heard it before. But I figured, well, good. There's an explanation for why I feel like I am not getting anywhere in life right now and I'm stuck.
8:57 So something is happening. And here's an explanation that sounds plausible. It's new. And so that could work. What do I have to lose? Yeah. Well, you found out. Oh, boy. So tell me more. All right. So this is summer 2017 and I filled out the survey and I was asked to close my eyes and tell this woman who is the minister, the deliverance minister, what I see. And that was the hook. She knew somehow that when you closed your eyes, you would experience something. I would see something because she told me I would see something. And was it a memory or was it brand new? It was a bit of both. It was a memory. It was a memory of something I hadn't thought of. But I knew what that memory, the picture triggered the memory, like a picture tells a thousand words. I knew what that meant. Did she see it, too, in her head? She did not say she saw it. I told her what it was and she explained what it was.
9:58 When I was 18, I got pregnant with twins. Gotcha. And my mom, who told me, always have the child, Michelle, go through it, was like, no, this is going to ruin your college life. You just got to school. You're 18. I can't help you the way you want to. You can't help me the way you want to. I let her know I was going to do the termination and they told me it was twins. And I said, no, I need to talk to my mom. I can't do this. And I told my mom and my mom said, go forward. They did show me the sonogram and it was the two. She told me it was two girls and that I need to name them. There's no way for anyone to have known it was two girls because I was only like eight or nine weeks at the time. Everything looks like a girl until it develops and looks like a boy. And she told me that those were my two. I have two daughters who are in heaven and I need to name them. She said this. She told me that. I could never have thought of that. But it's interesting that she thought the state of the dead was incorrect.
10:52 Yes. And that's immediately what I realized later when I came out of this is that they are they are completely in line with the opposite of the state of the dead. And there's more things later that explain that. So I was told to close my eyes and I would see an image. And what I saw was a sonogram picture of two fetuses, a very early term. And I was told that those were my two daughters that were never born and that I should name them and I will see them in heaven. And this was this was a real occurrence that happened in your life. I don't remember learning of two daughters in my future. But I did have an experience. I did have an experience with a doctor where I saw a sonogram of two fetuses.
11:42 OK. Yes. And so when she told me that no one else could have known that. I don't even think I talked about it with my mother who knew and my best friend. But I was I realized that she was on to something because she knew my past. So. Wow. Well, that's that's a little mystical. So. Yes. Who told her? Yeah. Who told her? Wow. Continue. OK. That is the hook that got me in. OK. So now. I want more. What's next? She said, I need to get her book. Of course. Start reading that. Follow some prayers that are in the book and stay connected with her. And we're going to schedule the deliverance. So I'm getting ready for the deliverance. And there's a few steps. One, I need to cut off my family and friends for 30 days so that there's no distractions.
12:34 So. So tell me, though, let's go back just for a second. The when you saw these. These fetuses, tell me about how she said that they see these things. You name them. They're in heaven. Yes. I told her I saw what looked like two fetuses. Maybe two. I may have said two girls or two faces. I don't remember exactly what I said or what I saw, but kind of like a double a double image of two women, like just the faces, like the heads, a black silhouette is what I believe I saw. But it seemed like also two fetuses. And I explained that I saw that. And I didn't even finish explaining before she finished explaining it for me and to tell me that those are my two daughters and I need to name them. I'll meet them in heaven. Did she say anything about them being in heaven right now?
13:23 I feel like she was alluding to that. They're already there and that I would see them and that they needed names. That's wild. Why? Wow. And I was just so shocked that she had known something of my past. That I didn't even think of the state of the dead message at the time because I was, that is what got my attention is you took me back to my past and now I can't think about anything else now because now I'm in shock with a memory. And I feel like hypnosis does that to you, right? It brings you back, gives you a memory or creates a memory or changes up the memory you have and now you can't move forward because now you're stuck in the past and people end up talking about past lives and things like that. Yeah, because Ecclesiastes 9.5 says you're dead and know nothing. Knowing nothing. And so if you have two fetuses that didn't survive, they wouldn't be in heaven right now. You wouldn't have to name them. They wouldn't need names. You wouldn't need names. They wouldn't need names. Nor did I ever think about naming children I don't know that I didn't have. So this is like directly against the foundations of the Bible, but she's telling you something different.
14:30 That's interesting. Yes. And I think that was the, that had to be the first flag for me if I had known my Bible. But I did not know my Bible. I had not been reading it in any order or following any study. Just like most Christians, we know verses. We may know where to find them. We can finish one when we hear one, but we don't know the context and we haven't done a study to line up an understanding of state of the dead for me to recognize and say, whoa, this doesn't make sense. All I heard was you have two girls. They need names. So what I heard immediately was I'm not doing something I need to do. I need to name them. And that speaks to the part of me that wants to do things right. And I believe the enemy knows that, that I would respond in that way. The one thing that worked. And after that, I go home and the step one is to cut out your family and friends that you are not distracted.
15:25 We're not locked out of this and that you can stay focused. So you're supposed to cut out your friends and family. Doesn't the Bible say that we, there's wisdom? Yes, but these are my new counselors now because we are a community. Only us here know about this deliverance and her other followers and other people who came to get the book. So this is my new family in a way to get through this moment. And we're just going to embrace each other, hold on to each other, stay connected with each other. But now I have to find a way to make sure my family doesn't think anything's going on. So I send them a newsletter saying, you know, hey, the Jerusalem newsletter, everything's going great this summer. We're doing this, this and this. And we're taking a break from social media. So we'll check in with you at the end of the summer. And everyone's like, OK, no worries.
16:18 Otherwise, they'd be checking in every day. And I can't have that because I've got to pray at certain times. I've got to read all this material and I have to clean up my life. Was was so. So, yeah, let's dive into those real quick. So I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you or anything, but I'm very curious about how this works. So. Name those things. Again, let's go through number one. So number one, cut off friends and family so that you're not distracted or talked out of this new idea that they do not understand. OK. All right. And we've kind of gone over that a little bit. What's the next one? Then it was clean up my personal life to make sure that there are nothing that would impede this this process. Yeah. OK. That that seems to make sense.
17:06 But I'm so is this you specifically say anything? Specific or just you just say sin in general or. The book did a breakdown of all the things you should remove, which are on the right track. Worldly distractions, movies, unnecessary artifacts, maybe just things that would distract you. You know what would distract you if you're into video games, if you're into music, if you're into movies. Those are obviously distracting things because they pull your mind in different directions. And you're so focused on this goal of getting spirit. It's out of you that how can you think of anything else? There's nothing I can talk about on the phone. I can't talk about a party coming up or gifts to buy because all I can think about is, is it the spirit inside me talking? I mean, I was told that each one of my issues was a different spirit. So I have at least three spirits plus my own mind.
18:00 This is new, new information. How can you think of anything else? And these spirits are in my home and they're in my children, too. And. Oh, big job. Yeah, big job. And was there was a third thing she wanted you to get rid of. The third was so clean up your life. Cut off family. Oh, heads down, focused on these prayers. So were the prayers kind of a repetitive prayer? Absolutely. The book had examples of prayers based on your issues. So you could pray those specific prayers with specific verses. But they were very fiery prayers that I wouldn't say you would be approaching. The king of kings and lord of lords. The tone was just outright rude, shouting prayers sometimes. And I'm not a shouting type of person.
18:51 But you do have to build up some confidence to say these words so that you can experience whatever it is you want, which is the drawing out or the disruption of this comfortable spirit. That's like, you know, taking a nap in your body. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wake it up. And that's where the shouting and the fire. All of these things come out. And it's all connected. And did she say anything about. And so the thing that comes to my mind is, is and I'm not trying to disprove her or prove her right now. I'm trying to understand where this fits, because I have good Adventist friends that that are on the other side of this issue. And I have other friends that are on the opposite side of this issue. So I'm I'm looking at it from both sides right now. So what what's confusing to me is that. But when I pray, I pray to Jesus, I pray to God and God helps me. And I've heard my other friends that are on this side of of calling out demons and saying that you have.
19:53 God gave us the authority, which is the part of the Great Commission. I agree. That's part of what Jesus says. You will, you know, cast out demons. You will do greater things than these. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to speak directly to them. I don't. I don't know if that's the case. I need to go back into my Bible. This is me being transparent and really understand this, because I think this type of this that you experienced is going to happen much, much more in the time. And we as Christians need to know how to deal with it. I agree with you. Part of the goal that I was sold on was that I am the new person in my family that's going to take on this job. I'm going to free myself. I'm going to free myself. I'm going to free my children, free my friends and family, and then I can go out and help the world.
20:43 So I'm special. I'm chosen. So now I'm already feeling special about this entire opportunity. So, of course, I want to do a good job. I really want to get this right because no one else will understand. No one else has heard of this before. I've got to do it and I've got to do a good job. And I feel like this is like every Hollywood movie. You know, you're chosen. So now you have to train. You have to get good. And you got to go complete this mission. And that is how I felt. It's not like I was linking it with the feeling of a movie. It literally made me feel like I had a job and I had to do a good job, which is my personality, is do a good job, get it right. And that's exactly how I felt. So in order for me to do a good job, I have to follow the instructions. And I was told that my son's autism, that's a spirit. Which, if you've seen some meltdowns of children, it looks similar to the same behavior of what's described in the story in Matthew with Jesus helping the demoniac.
21:53 It's the same behaviors, cursing, yelling, throwing yourself on the floor. When the family, the mother and father come to him and say, our child throws himself in the water, he throws himself on the fire. Help him. These are what. Families with autistic children are experiencing. And I'm part of that community. So I'm thinking, I can help them. And they're not even taking their kids to church because their kids are unpredictable, as was mine. And so I'm thinking, all right, I got answers now, which is what I was looking for. Yes. So that's the plan is do these prayers. Make sure you get up at midnight. At midnight. At midnight. Because that's the beginning of the witching hour, 12 to 3. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why does she have you contact demons in the middle? Wait, wait. Are you speaking to demons or are you speaking to God?
22:44 I'm praying. Okay. But these prayers are so direct. It doesn't seem like a communication, a kind communication with our Savior. It's like orders. So you're ordering God? I'm ordering God to take care of these things because I have the right. Because this is some of the quotes where this is my portion. I'm going to take back seven times. Seven times what the devil has stolen from me. These are things I've heard in some gospel songs. So maybe they're in the Bible somewhere. But this right of I can get prosperous because the enemy has stolen from me and I can take it back. So I'm saying all of these things in the prayers. I'm commanding. And if you think about it, now that I'm saying some of these prayers back to you, I'm literally directing God to go handle this for me and then give me my reward, which he already said. He will bring when he comes.
23:36 But I'm asking for it now because I have a right. And that is the focus of these prayers. Deal with these things now. I have the right. And then bring me my rewards. And I remember that in every prayer. Wow. Okay. So you're at the point where you are. I'm preparing for my deliverance. Okay. So you're going through that month process. Yes. Cutting people off. Yes. So now I'm getting calls from exes or people, friends from the past that aren't any good for me. And I'm like, ah, there they are. They're trying to get in. And then you can't hear. He can't see. He's locked out. So he's trying to get in. So I have to block that. And I am making sure that I get up at 12. I'm making sure I do the prayers at the set times I'm supposed to do them.
24:26 Also, I have to fast, which I had never thought about such intense fasting. But there's some intense fasting going on. Sometimes 24 hours, 72 hours, water fast, 40 days. People are doing all kinds of things because they believe it will give them more power. And I also had to stay connected with this same church family, of course, because they're the only one to know. There is some merit to fasting. I believe Jesus said that when the disciples went to take out the demons, they couldn't do it. They said, how do I do this, Lord? He says, these don't come up at prayer and fasting. They don't come up at prayer and fasting. And then in Acts, there was the sons of Zeba, Zebeth. I can't remember them, but they tried to do. Yes, they tried to do. And they got beat up because they didn't have. They thought it was a power that they could just go and just copy what Paul and the others were doing. And they tried it. And the spirit said, I know, Paul, who are you?
25:24 Yeah, I know Jesus. I know, Paul, but who are you? And they were beaten. Their clothes were taken off. They were sent out naked, running and screaming for their lives. Which proves that. Demons can attack. Yeah, yeah. Even through other people. And if they can't attack, or let's say it this way. If they decide that for whatever reason, we don't know the rules of engagement, perhaps, as well as we should. And perhaps it's leading a holy life. Perhaps it's prayer and fasting. Perhaps it's all the above. They can decide, hey, you know what? I don't think there's enough. There's not enough good power behind you to. And I'm not saying there's power in us, but certainly we have guardian angels. And we know that through what Jesus said, that some of them require a little bit more power than others, right? So if they think they can overtake or just not do it, they might just lash out at us. Or I think maybe in this age, they might play a little game and pretend that they're coming out.
26:26 That's my concern. I think it's both. You're right on, Brad. You're right on, Brad. Because the preparation was so that I had to. I had this holy life that would be worthy to be freed from these spirits. And you're supposed to clean up your life. You can't just go in there and start calling out demons. And you yourself are a mess. So it's both. You have to have that holy life. And the demons can play around here because they see an opportunity for some entertainment themselves. I keep cutting you off because I keep trying to figure this out. I should just let you speak. It's a lot. Yeah. Good. Because it helps me remember other parts. So where were we? All right. So I'm preparing for the deliverance. We've got a date. A date will be scheduled. And I'm cleaning up life as best as I can.
27:16 I'm also devouring as much information on deliverance as I can. And there's a lot on YouTube. So I'm playing this at night. But now I'm not getting any sleep. So this is actually, this process is tiring me out because I have to read and I have to write down all the dreams. And the dreams match the definitions. And I have the dreams in the book. So the back of the book tells you what certain dreams mean. And I'm having these dreams. Then I look up in the book. So now it's telling me what prayers I need to pray against these dreams and what these spirits are. So now I have to pray about the spirits. And then I have a dream. And it leads me to the book. And I'm exhausted. Just telling you I can feel it. I was tired. And I was having one night I counted. Not one night. But I had 11 dreams in 18 days. It was that many.
28:04 And it was like I would just lay down and take a nap and have another dream. And these aren't just your average dream where you wake up and you forget it. These were violent dreams that were so vivid that I could find the exact version or similar version in the book. So I could get a description. I know these had to be connected now. But then I'm like, man, this stuff is real. And look, someone knew about it. They wrote about it. Because this book is obviously written before she met me. So I'm like, this is happening around the world. No one's talking about it. So I asked my pastor about it. And he goes, I don't know anything about deliverance. I don't know anything about that. And I'm like, ugh. He doesn't know. I go talk to my mom. And I'm like, mom, did you know that we can pray these prayers and these spirits will come out? And then we'll get riches. And we'll be well off.
28:52 Why aren't we doing this? And she's like, do not get involved in whatever that is. She's like, they're doing that where? So you broke your month process to go and talk to your parents? Well, yes. Because, well, this is all happening around the same time. So I had told my mom the excitement of things probably right after I met her. But the directions to cut things out happened over the time I'm talking and I'm reading the book. Gotcha, gotcha. So it wasn't an immediate cutoff that night. I think that would have been too abrupt, too, if you cut people off right away. So the book said, or you alluded to, that these things would give you gifts of some kind and help you out with riches if you would do something? It's in the book. It's described and taught this way by other deliverers. That the enemy has stolen riches that we can't see, spiritual gifts that God would have delivered to us if the enemy wasn't blocking it, if our behaviors weren't blocking it.
29:46 As if it's in a place like a vault with our name on it and they're stolen and we need to get them back. Well, it's very enticing, but I don't know if that's biblical at all. That's really interesting because I... There's somewhere else this was discussed by Abintas in the book, Beware of Angels. Tell me about it. The family that got involved with deliverance ministry that started with Bible study in Oregon. They were told that there were spiritual gifts from them by the angels that visited and talked to them and brought them gifts on different days. And they would describe these gifts to them and they were spiritual gifts so they couldn't see them. But I hadn't heard this. It's anywhere else but there. And in some gospel songs talk about it.
30:38 And in the book talks about it. So pretty much we need to be asking for everything we want because they're all there gift wrapped and ready for us and we're not getting them because we haven't asked. And I've read this in other Christian books too or at least Christian inspired books. Someone recommended a book to me and I read it and it was the same thing. That there's all these cures for diseases and cancers and bikes we've never asked for. Houses we've never asked for. Just waiting for us that we've never prayed for. And so this is spread all over the world in different ways but it's all the same thing. You need to pray for it. The devil has stolen it from you. You have a right to it. So you got to get the devil out so that God can bring these things to you. You can have a better life. So that's interesting you should say it that way because I think the Bible says it the other way.
31:30 It says that you should call in the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit will get out the demonic presence inside you. It's kind of like that lady that that the parable about the woman who swept the house clean. Yes. And she swept the house clean and the demons came back in. Whereas we're supposed to fill. Yeah. God comes to us even in our sinful lives and cleans us up. Yeah. Because the house represents your body. Yeah. Your mind. It's not a physical place that's empty and waiting for furniture that God's going to furnish from heaven. So. I'm starting to think there's so much here. Not only is there are there cures for hardship in life, but there's all this prosperity awaiting. And I was so distracted by the cares of the world. Right.
32:19 Desires of the heart that God talks about Mark four. And I'm missing out. So I got to do this so I can get to that. Not realizing that I'm chasing worldly treasures by works. But more that this is this belongs to me and I didn't know about it and it's been hidden from me. So this is a lot. Right. So now I've got to work on myself. I'm going to work on my kids. I have to call out spirits. I have to get my life in perfect order. Then I have to start asking for all of these gifts and things that I need and I'll get them. And then I have to meet people in life and sell them on this whole thing. This is now a full time job. Wouldn't it be? Wait, is this a pyramid scheme now? If there was money involved. But for me, there was no money involved. You have to sell her book, basically. No, she recommended the book to me.
33:13 And of course, if I needed step by step directions from the person who was going to do this for me, I wanted to know that she knew. So getting the book made sense. I think it was eleven dollars. Sure. Sure. Or something. I didn't have to push anything. But naturally, you're going to. Because how can you not share this? And other people weren't. Biting. But it's okay. Because I have enough to do. I don't have time to convince you. You'll see later. So I'm doing everything she says. And then one day she calls me. She goes, we're going to do your deliverance tomorrow. I'm coming in from Alabama. And I said, okay, well, I'm trying to think. All right, what am I going to do with my son? My daughter. Did you put out a schedule? Right. I didn't expect it. Okay. But did you set a schedule beforehand? No, it was coming. I just didn't know when. Oh, okay.
34:02 But I was preparing for it. And so she called me. And she said, we're going to do it tomorrow. Okay. Which is great. Because I've been going through this. I need to. Let's get this done. Yeah. Let's move on to the gifts. The rewards for all the work. Because I'm tired. And I've been writing and journaling and keeping notes. I've got prayers on the wall. Not talking to family and waking up and writing. Yeah. And you are, in a way, harassed. Because you keep having the need to pray for more things. Because there's no peace in your life. Because the enemy is trying to get in. Every way he can. And you're just trying to block him out. So you're having to fight more. In prayer. Fighting in prayer. Okay. So the day's the day. I have to make an arrangement. Because my kids are very small at the time. And we go back to that same friend's house.
34:49 Where I first saw all of this happening. And she had a room all the way up. And so we're going to go in that room at the top floor. Close the door. And we're going to do a prayer first. And she usually records these. So that she was recording. The prayer, I believe I had to repeat after her. So sentence by sentence, I'm repeating. And it's not a strange prayer. Because it's similar to what I've already been praying. And I'm sitting on the couch like this. She's sitting there like that. And she starts to call out the spirits. And if you remember, I showed you. I showed you that recording. After the prayer. After the prayer. She starts to talk and call out spirits. And I remember. I remember that. And what's interesting is. I remember her talking to me. Or talking to something.
35:42 And I start to. I'm waiting for something. Because I'm thinking. Am I going to start barfing like that girl I saw. And I am feeling this arm go out. And this arm goes out. And then my legs go out from under me. And my body is. I have no control. I remember that. I remember her calling out the spirits. I don't remember anything after that. Until the end. So you blacked out. There's no memory. Wow. And so I found that recording that I shared with you. Do you remember. In Roger Morneau's. Maybe I'll splice that in here. Where he went to experience possession. And where a liar needed some things to be said. And when they came out of their trance.
36:32 Trance. They said how long have I been out. As if they don't remember anything of what happened. Yes. It's true. Because the whole event was about 45 minutes. And I only remember the two minutes of it. The prayer. My arms jerking around. My neck twisting around. It really hurt the next day. So I know it was real. But I don't remember anything else. Until I listened to the recording. And I knew it was real. Because that's her voice. Those are the spirits that she had told me about. Specifically. Connected to me. I knew. But that voice is not my voice. Huh. And so you have the recording. Yes. I'm going to have this. Is it okay if I splice some of that in here? Absolutely. Okay. For the audience. If you don't want to hear this. Turn it down now.
37:19 And I'll show a different picture on the screen. So you know when it's over. But I want to actually have. And understand what you were experiencing. When you weren't cognitive. Coherent. Of what was happening. Come out of that body now. In the name of Jesus. Unravel yourself now. And let her go. The power of the Holy Ghost. The power of the Holy Ghost. Angels of the most high God. To the right. To the left. In front and behind. Pierce that demon now. Pierce that demon now. Come out of that body. Come out. You shut your demonic mouth.
38:09 And get out of that body now. Disconnect from the inner child now. Uh-huh. That's fine. Just disconnect from her. Come on out. In the name of Jesus. Yes. Go to a triumvirate place. Go. Yes. Uh-huh. Oh, I hear you Holy Spirit. Anxiety. Spirit of anxiety. Every spirit. Causing her to become anxious. Leave that body now. She has the peace of God. She has the joy. She has the joy of God that surpasses all understanding.
39:12 Come out now. Leave anxiety. Oh, yes. Yes. I remember some of it. I remember my neck being pulled and twisted. So much that I would feel like, you know, a doll. If you twisted a doll, like, is it going to come right off? And my arms being stretched and my legs moving. I remember a roaring that was not mine coming from my throat. I do not remember anything after that. I don't remember. I don't remember her voice or all that went on until I listened to the recording. I was like, oh, that's what was going on. Because when I was done, she let me know that spirit of Jezebel would not come out, that that's a difficult spirit and I need to keep working on it. So I'm like, man, I thought this would be done. 45 minutes. And so when you were out, you finally out of it. That's when she started. She told me what happened.
40:02 Okay. Okay. Wow. Wow. What a. And she's going back and forth with the spirits. She is talking. She's talking to the spirit, asking it questions. It's answering her through me. I know because my throat hurt and my neck hurt really bad the next morning. So there is a physical effects happening. So now I, of course, I'm going to believe there's spirit in me, but now I'm really mortified because now they're not all gone. And this process isn't over. And that's common with deliverance that you have to keep working. It's not all done. Spirits are difficult. You can't always get them all out. So I'm, I'm, I'm, my mind is going in a few different directions on this. And I want to keep this focused just on your testimony, but we've had other ministries that have come in that are deliverance based and they have done deliverance. And I'm wondering how different they are.
40:55 I don't want to discuss that in this one, but I think we're going to do another one. I want to get Wendy in here. Wendy has some interesting insight. She talks a little bit about it too. And, and we'll discuss more about that. But I, if it's okay with you, once we're, this is finished, recording, I'm going to send this testimony, your testimony to them as well. So they can see if it's similar to what they do as deliverance. Because the truth is, if this is so necessary to understand the truth might be in the middle somewhere and we might have some experience, very, very bad things and very wrong way to do things on one side and the very right thing to do it on the other side, like speaking to God and having him tackle this whole situation for us. That's might be true deliverance. I'm going to get to the bottom of this. This is very fascinating stuff. And what you experienced is traumatic. And there's something else that happened before the minister starts speaking to the spirits.
41:55 She let me know that the Holy spirit was answering her and telling her something and that the spirits were answering also. And that they told her either the Holy spirit or this or the spirits. I'm not sure at the moment told her that I treat God like a real man. A real robot. And I believe in that moment when I took that information in and I had such deep conviction of that, I don't have a relationship with God. I actually just place orders and expect delivery. I felt like, well, then I did deserve what I'm getting because I don't know him at all. And she told me, they told her that, that the Holy spirit, the demons, like they all agree that they have a right to be here. Cause this is what I do. And I never, I never heard anything like that before. I didn't know how to take it, but I'm believing everything I hear at this point. Cause I don't even know who I am anymore.
42:47 I got spirits in me. My life is a mess. So anything anyone tells me right now, I'm broken down enough that I'm, I'm receiving it. And I think that was another way that the enemy got right into my life. I don't know if I had spirits in and among me before, but after that deliverance, my life was upside down. What is your belief that this is? What do you think happened? I believe that when I engaged with this woman, followed her process, repeating certain words and believing that what she said was true over what Jesus said was true, which is I am his, that he is not forsaken me, that I gave the enemy a right to, into attack my life. Sleepless nights, hearing buzzing sounds at my ears and voices, which sound like what we know to be maybe light language. All of that. I've heard it. I didn't know what that was till now, but seeing an orb, seeing a dark figure, feeling a very tall, dark figure behind me when I'm praying, making me want to cower and pray more.
43:56 These are ways that I'm laying the enemy know that I'm afraid and I'm praying, but do I really believe? And that gave him access. And I think God allowed it so that I would come to him because that's what happened. I didn't really believe that all this was right deep inside, but I searched and I kept talking about it and I learned about Roger Morneau, who literally said these are demon games. What happened next? All right. So a person, a person, another dentist mentioned Roger Morneau, which I was familiar with because my mom loves his books on occurrent answers to prayer, but we didn't have Beware of Angels. And he said the person told me that book was the one that sounded just like my story. I found Chris Lang's documentary on it because the Beware of Angels book was out of print at the time. I couldn't find it on Amazon. I was going to take a week or two east to get to me. So I watched Beware of Angels, but it still wasn't about deliverance. It was really about people's stories who got caught up with the enemy and came to Christ.
44:56 But on that very first page of Beware of Angels, Roger Morneau calls deliverance ministry demon games. He also calls it demon games in an interview he did with an Adventist couple, a very old interview. And he literally explained, explain not to get involved, pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to appropriate the blood of Christ on your life. Apply the merits of Christ's work to your life and the Holy Spirit will handle it. And of course, read Matthew 27. Yeah, there's been warning. There's power in Jesus name. Amen. And that was the solution. And I kept doing that. I didn't experience relief right away. I feel like the enemy still tries to see if he can get other ways in. I still experienced dreams, less dreams, but dreams. And I experienced harassment in ways that I was warned I would experience in deliverance ministry, which I think was to make me keep believing that they were right.
45:55 And silly things like animals spy on you. Wait, what? A deer would come to my window and just stare at me. And you're taught in deliverance that the enemy can become anything. And they try to listen. They try to get close. They try to hear what's going on. They try to bother you. I experienced like a hit and run where the cops came to my house and said that I was the one that hit the car. And, you know, I would pray because I'm like, okay, Lord, this is it. The enemy's still coming after me. I'm praying. And then that would go away and the cop would say, okay, and just leave. And it's like, oh, stuff still works. But I'm not done because I believe God is setting me free. But I have just spent three months filling my brain with, all the ways that the enemy tries to attack you.
46:43 So you got to watch out for the Illuminati black and white pattern. Perfumes are, you know, really prayed over by witches. And there's just, there's so much out there. And so I go down this hole and I learned so much. It leads to new age. It leads to the seven mountain mandate. It leads to prophetic word. And this is happening all day, every day on social media. I would have never found it. So what about the people who follow this every day? They have no peace in their life. They probably don't have any fun in their life. So what got me out was just praying to God all day, every day to handle it through the Holy spirit. And that gave me peace. And I wasn't so tired anymore. And also study the Bible to know for myself.
47:31 So when someone gives me a piece of a verse or a quote that I don't run with it. And also to look out for, or the way God is speaking to me, you know, when he's telling me, just don't go any further or something's off. You know, that minister, she had a cold attitude and I'm really a warm person. And I just thought, you know, when you meet each other, Oh my goodness, we're going to help each other. Everything's good. And I believe there was a lot of arrogance. Um, and that she knew more than me. She had power and control. And I have to do what she says. And I didn't feel that should have been my first time. I didn't feel like this was a person that I needed in my life. And I, I still pray for the people who got involved because I wasn't the only one. There are other Adventist friends and we're not even friends anymore. And you know, there's a woman, she won't even talk to me.
48:21 And I said, you remember what that thing we got involved into? I learned the truth. And she said, I don't want to talk. I don't want anything to do with this. I don't know how is, if this is so freeing and good for us, why isn't it connecting us? Yeah. No. So that was my experience. Is that pastor or that ministry, I guess I should say, is she still doing? I did look her up again on Facebook when I was looking for that clip again, so I could download it. And I saw things that did not look like a person that was living a Christian based lifestyle. I saw a lot of posts that seemed angry and calling out people on personal attributes, which is not, which is always unkind and sub tweeting, which to me is just the worst way to communicate. Just talk to the person you want to talk to or say what you want to say.
49:10 Directly. I didn't see anything that would let me know that this was a person I should even follow. Oh, so I was glad that that relationship faded out. Yeah. This was the, the one that called those things. Yes. Whatever it was. The person that operated as the deliverance minister who taught the family that the Adventist family that I knew about this way for them to achieve their goals. And they had a really huge goal they're trying to achieve and that's how they got it. And that's why I believe that I should listen. Because they experienced success and it was one of those gifts. Are you still experiencing this stuff today? I do occasionally experience dreams, dark presences in the room and even I would say disturbances in my life that feel like an attack and I do the same. I get up, I pray immediately and I let it go and I let God handle it and I don't give it any attention. It's interesting. You should say that too, because I think, Roger Morneau said he still experienced stuff and it's still going to continue through his life. Yeah. I think the enemy is looking for another way in and Roger Morneau says that they have the right to keep testing you.
50:21 And I think that's the whole be faithful to the end. We're not just going to be free from this forever. There's always going to be a test. There's always going to be opportunities for us to slip and fall back into whatever we were in and we have to be aware. And the way we're aware is, is keep reading every day, sharing every day and praying every day. And that's the best. That's the putting on the full armor of God. Amen. Amen. You'd like to close us out with prayer? Oh yes, please. Okay. Dear heavenly father, you are our hero, our savior, and our very best friend. Forgive us of our sins and where we've gotten involved in things that you don't want us to have anything to do with. Thank you for hearing our prayer and forgiving us of our sins. We pray and live, lift up to you every person in the body of Christ who's experiencing harassment from the enemy.
51:13 We ask that you will tell them, tell these winds and waves to stop troubling your sons and daughters and intervene for us. We thank you. And we know you will, you will do this because you promise if we call on your name, that you will answer in Jesus name. We pray. Amen. Amen.