0:00 One of the most amazing things you can watch in life is the Holy Spirit working on someone's heart, and that's exactly what happened to Joe Jordan as he was an atheist that became Christian because he saw something supernatural that was happening and realized that the Bible had a better answer on it. I had a chance to interview Joe Jordan on stage inside the Roswell Seventh-day Adventist Church just a few weekends ago, and I encourage you to watch it. It's really phenomenal, his transformation as he grew in Christ, and how he discovered this is truly phenomenal. Take a look. Joe, I want to talk to you a little bit about your background first, because I think it's one of the most interesting things, and we'll get to your testimony as well, but for people that don't know you and don't know even know what MUFON is, what is it, and how did you get into it? How did you get into it? How did you get into it? How did you get into it? How did you get into it? How did you get into it? How did you get into it? How did you get into it? Good question. Good way to start a roundation. Just so you know, professionally, I'm a safety professional. I work at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. I work for Jeff Bezos' rocket company, Blue Origin. Love my job. I've been blessed with it, my dream job. For the second time, I worked for a shuttle program until all the shuttles left to go to the museums, and then made enough contracting for the U.S.
1:58 military as a safety professional in South Korea for 11 years. I've been back four years. Blue Origin, the opportunity to work here is what brought me back to my home, which is there at the Kennedy Space Center, a little town called Beltsidesville. But as far as this phenomenon that we're talking about today, I'm a member, a 32-year member of the Mutual UFO Network. The acronym is MUFON. The Mutual UFO Network is the largest secular grassroots, not-for-profit, research and investigative organization in the United States. And this is exactly what we're doing in the world, and to the subject matter of UFOs. A challenge because it's so hard to just figure it out. And I'll give you a little bit more of the details. And I started out back in 92. The way I even got into movement is unique. I was on a vacation trip with my son and my mom headed to Anchorage, Alaska to visit my brother who was in the Air Force. He was stationed up there. I hadn't seen him in years, and I had some vacation time, and I said, let's go visit, let's go visit my brother. And he had a couple kids. I had a son. I had a son. I had a son. I had a son. He was a little kid. I had a son. I had a son. son and they hadn't seen each other in years either, so it was a good time for them to get together. I had nine days on my vacation time. My mom and my son ended up staying for a month and then visited because there was no hurry. It was summertime. Well, we left out of Orlando International Airport. Orlando to Anchorage, Alaska is like 10 and a half hours flight time.
3:26 Back then, we had no phones. We had no iPads. We didn't have movies on the plane just for international flights. Not like we have today when you have all sorts of social media to keep you busy on a plane. So, I figured I better go and get something to read on the plane past the time. So, I went to the little kiosk there. I'm looking for something to read. I was an avid science fiction reader when I was younger, so I specifically figured I'd go maybe pick up a sci-fi book and read it past the time. I looked at the magazines first, didn't find anything that would catch my interest in them. So, I moved over to the paperback section. I'm looking through the books. It's, of course, the fiction section, science fiction is fiction. And I come across one particular book, but it wasn't in the science fiction section, but it caught my attention. It looked to be science fiction. The title of the book was UFO Crash and Roswell. I had no idea what they were talking about. It made no sense to me, except that it said UFO Crash. I knew nothing about UFO Crash. I knew nothing about Roswell. I had no background in the UFO phenomenon at all. I did not pay attention to flying saucer subject matter. I wasn't into all of that. I was a sci-fi guy. And that, to me, was not reality. That's what caught my attention. It's not that the subject matter caught my attention. It's the book itself caught my attention. The idea that they're telling me this book is a scientific investigation.
5:01 And to an event that happened in a little town called Roswell, New Mexico, right here where we're talking at, back in 1947, I said, no way. That didn't happen. It's got to be sci-fi. That's what caused me to buy the book. The idea that this author was able to, in my mind, take that solid black line that we all know is there between reality and fiction. To me, reading a sci-fi book was escapism. I knew what that was. I knew that you could all, from a busy day, grab a fictional book, end up in a completely different world, whether it's about cowboys and Indians, whether it's fantasy, or whether it's sci-fi, or just a good love novel, you know? It's escapism. You got time to get away from the routine of life for a few minutes, and then put it away and go back to life. But I knew there was that solid black line that separated reality from fiction. This book was bordering that line to me. That's what got me into this. That's what caused me to buy the book. Once I read that book, I had a thousand questions, because they weren't answering them, but caused me to have all these questions that I needed answers for. Always been an inquisitive type of guy, so I needed to get to understand what this, what they were talking about here. When I got back from the trip, I saw a news clip on our local news station, and they, once a week, they would advertise new businesses in the Orlando area. One of the businesses that I happened to catch them talking about was a couple that had just opened a UFO museum in Orlando, Florida. Right there amongst Disney, Universal Studios, that whole area right there where all the tourists go. You know, Mary, about business, if you don't hear about business, it's all about location, location, location. Well, they had paid for the right location. Well, I saw this and I bet they got answers to what I'm looking for here. So I made a number of trips over to talk to this couple. Went to their museum and made friends with them, and every time I went over, I had more questions than they would try to answer for me. Plus, I went through their museums, a lot of information, a lot of education, kind of like the one you have downtown here. Gives you a history of UFO phenomena. As he saw my interest broke in this, he finally opened up to me and said, you know, there's other places you could go to for answers. And I said, yeah, like what? He said, well, there's a group out there called the Mutual UFO Network. He says, I'm a member. I'm a state section director for that organization for Orange County. And he said, if you're interested, you can come in as a MUFON member. You'll get a monthly journal for your subscription that you pay for, your membership dues. And if you're interested, you can work your way up as a field investigator to look into the research that comes in, follow up the reports, do the investigation, you know, which is what MUFON's all about. They're all about gathering the data which is coming in from sighted reports. They get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds a month, okay, that come in. He said, investigators like myself have to go out to follow up on. I thought, ah, this sounds great, you know. I want to be part of that. So I became a MUFON member. I spent the first year under him being trained up as a field investigator because all the training was coming from MUFON that they have available. And then he says, you know, you live in Brevard County, right? And I said, yes. He says, you know, there's no MUFON chapter in Brevard County. Why don't you consider taking over and opening up a chapter in your county?
8:47 And I said, well, that sounds great, too. So we got in contact with the leadership of MUFON, which is, you know, supporting me. They accepted me to take the position of state section director, which I held for about 10 years. There in Brevard County, which is where the Space Center is located. That's where I live. Part of having that position, state section director, you're required to hold monthly meetings open to the public. And we never charge for the meetings. And I found a place that I could have a meeting room, no charge to me, as long as I didn't charge anybody that was coming there. That's the public library. You know, they give you that opportunity. You got global meetings or something, you need a place to go. You can go to the public library. You can go to the public library. Talk to the library. As long as you're not charging people, they don't charge you to use the room. And they even give you the audiovisual equipment. So that's how I started into this. But I also, just so you know, I started into this as an agnostic humans. I didn't believe in God. I was a guy that went to public school, got all the indoctrination about, you know, what do you call it?
9:56 Eros? Eros. Eros. That was my bag. So possibility that. There's other out there. Yes. Possibility we could have been seeded by aliens. It's possible. That was my thinking as I came into this. And you, so you were atheists as you came in? Yes, absolutely. Fascinating. So as you were going into this, and this is the perfect view, you said going exactly where I wanted to go with this. How did you decide what you were investigating these days? How many were you doing? And what was the point where you were deciding what you were going to do? And whether or not people were crazy, medicated, or they actually had a knowledge? How did you do that? Well, they gave us guidance on, MUFON gave us guidance on how to weed out what you're dealing with there when reports come in. Because you got a possibility of dealing with hoaxers that want attention. You got people that might just have medical issues, you know, that just want to get, also get attention. And then you had the people that were actually experiencing something. So we had a process.
11:01 Take them through it and question, doing the questioning to try and weed that part out. It's important. Otherwise, it skews the research information. So they gave us techniques to be able to go and ask the right questions, to be able to try and determine what we were dealing with there. If we were dealing with something that we felt that somebody actually had an experience that they received something, then we were good to go. And we followed through with the investigation. Wow. So did you actually, have reports on people that had these issues or was it mostly, what mostly did you come across? Mostly at the beginning, because we were field investigators investigating UFO reports. Our focus was actually on people that were seeing things. I didn't expect to see, to have anything coming in. They really caught me off guard. I work in, you know, my, I live in the county where the Kennedy Space Center is located. This was during the shuttle program. Like I said, early nineties, I first got in there. They were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were launching week after week after week. You know, it was a busy area, but keep in mind, a lot of the, a lot of the payloads, a lot of the missions that the shuttle went on had to do with secret government stuff. So the airspace over the Kennedy Space Center is one of the most guarded airspaces in the country, if not the world. Okay. Because they can't risk losing a shuttle because somebody is in their airspace. I've been to many launches there. And the launches were delayed or canceled. I've been to many launches there and the launches were delayed or canceled. Because right at the launch time, some little plane enters their airspace. Well, I thought the same problem was going to happen if we had UFOs in there. So, but I didn't think it was going to happen because of that restricted airspace. I thought that's not going to happen. Little did I realize that yes, they were happening. And I had reports coming in, in our county. I did not expect it, but yes, we were, we were having people report things. What's interesting is some of those people that were reporting them actually worked at the Kennedy Space Center. They were seeing objects over the center. Of course, NASA wasn't talking about that, but privately they do like, they could talk to me and they, if they asked for anonymity, I would give it to them. But yes, there were stories coming in and that really surprised me. So we were busy. So how does this relate to Christianity?
13:24 I know there's three things that you talk about that are the most fascinating to me. Were any of the four major characteristics present in your reports? Um, not until I got into looking at alien abduction experiences. I wasn't seeing it with the UFO, uh, sighting, you know, investigations, but that's where it started to come out. And when I started looking at the phenol and I called alien abduction. Now that's where we had to separate our research because at that time, MUFON was only focused on sighting reports. They weren't structured to investigate alien abduction experience, I had people coming to the Mimini that claimed that they had had N-towers through the alien abduction experience or the contactee experience. That's another part of the phenomenon. And as I started looking at that part of the phenomenon, it hit me that logically thinking, here we were chasing lights in the sky after the fact. It's almost like, I hate to say it as an investigator, but it's like chasing your tail. You never catch a dog chasing their tail. They just go around and around. You never get it. But when I got to the abduction experiencers, here I'm sitting in front of somebody who's close, and they're telling me their story about being in the presence of the entities that are probably in the crowd.
14:46 Well, logically thinking, excuse me, but that's rough line. These are closer to the source than the people seeing lights in the sky. So as a rational person, an inquisitive person, and an investigator, I thought, you know, we should focus our work here. We're going to actually get answers. And as we did, yes, that's where we started getting better answers and getting closer to the truth. What were those, do you think? Well, one thing we found that kind of caught us off guard was, and this came a little later in the research, but we came across experiencers who were talking about, during the experience, supposedly being taken to a flying saucer run by extraterrestrials so they believe, where during the experience they recall seeing dead relatives. Does that make any sense if we're dealing with an extraterrestrial? Not at all. Why would dead relatives be on a craft while you're there? It didn't make any sense. And it wasn't just me getting reports like that. The leading secular researchers, would be, Kay Striever, Barbara Betholick, they themselves had come across these same type of reports.
16:06 Excuse me, I call that a red flag. Red flag meaning something that makes absolutely no sense to what we're looking at here. So there are later found many red flags, but this was the first one. The second one was, we came across abduction experiencers who said that they had been able to stop their experience. Well, that was unheard of at the time in the UFO research community. The secular UFO researchers dealing with abductions, they said, every time they talk, these abductions cannot be stopped. Okay, but yet I had come across cases in my personal research investigations, where people said they had been able to stop the experience. What was very interesting, not only was it going against, the grain with these other researchers, but it was the way they stopped it. They said that they stopped it by calling on the name and authority of Jesus Christ.
17:10 And instantly the experience would stop. They would wake up in their bed, like they had never been anywhere. Still had the memory of the experience, but they was instantly stopped. That doesn't make any sense either. That's another red flag. Those are the two big red flags. Those are the two big red flags. Those are the two big red flags. The one thing we found also, in the further research, is that the idea of dead people showing up in the paranormal, wasn't just with the abduction experience. wasn't just with the abduction experience. Some of you know that it goes through the other parts of the paranormal. Some of you know that it goes through the other parts of the paranormal. When you're dealing with psychics, who do they say they're not that quick? Your dead relatives. If you're ghost hunting, what do they think they're chasing? Dead relatives called ghosts. And then you have spiritism, people that are involved in spiritism.
17:59 Who are they listening to? Dead relatives. So there's a common thread that runs through all of the paranormal. So there's a common thread that runs through all of the paranormal. And it's the dead. That doesn't make any sense if we're dealing with an extraterrestrial race That doesn't make any sense if we're dealing with an extraterrestrial race that's visiting Earth. Makes no sense. That's the most huge red flag. And I want to say, too, that that's exactly what the Bible says, too. Ecclesiastes 9-5, the dead know not anything. That's in your Bible. And it's actually been the lie And it's actually been the lie from the beginning. Genesis 3, he said, you will not surely die. You will become a spirit. You can explode around. You don't worry about death. Don't worry about all that. That whole thing in trying to reach these things is what we call necromancy with the Bible. And I think that that's interesting because they say that individuals, and this is a really scary thing, because when Eve went to the tree, how did sin enter this world?
18:56 It started communication, right? Communication with the devil, essentially. Right now, most of these researchers, not yourself, but are saying, you, too, can't reach out to these things yourself through something called CE5. Can you tell us what CE5 is? Well, first let me tell you what CE4 is. The organization that we formed because we couldn't work with MUFON would be abductions. So we set up a separate unit, myself and my field investigators, working with me in our group. We decided to focus on abductions. We thought we could get closer to the understanding of what this phenomena is about by getting closest to the source. We knew that we couldn't do that under the auspices of MUFON because MUFON had no structure at the time to investigate alien abduction.
19:46 They were only focused on sightings. So we set up our own group and the idea was to make sure that all of our research was available for peer review and public review. We weren't going to hide anything. We wanted to get the information out there because we knew it was already being suppressed by the secondary researchers. So we formed a group called CE4 Research Group. Why 4? The CE4 is one of the classification numbers that Jack Vallee and researchers early in the research 40 years ago put this terminology together. They needed to classify the different types of experience. CE1 that is lights in the sky. CE2 is movement and it's for movement too. Close encounters of the third kind CE3 a lot of us are familiar with that Spielberg put the movie out Close Encounters of the Third Kind That's contact with an entity.
20:48 CE4 is alien abduction. So we termed it CE4 made it simple so everybody could understand what we're about. Now you move into CE5. It's pushed very heavily in this phenomenon right now. People are being brought into it unexpectedly not knowing what they're dealing with. CE5 talks about communication that you can have with these entities. It's done through meditation mostly transcendental meditation Near Eastern crazy stuff. Actually the guy that's pushing it is what's his name? I'm trying to remember too. Steven Greer. Steven Greer is also a primary person involved in the Disclosure Project trying to get the government to release all the files. But he got caught up in this CE5 stuff. He's promoting it.
21:46 He's actually developed an app that you can put on your phone. Young people can put on their phone because they love to do that. They love to have all these apps. This app uses tones, sound tones that will put you in that state of mind like you were meditating and it opens you up to communicate with these entities. How dangerous is that? And even more than that you mentioned transcendental meditation. Transcendental meditation is different than Biblical meditation where you ponder what happened. We're taught that you should ponder even on what the last hour of Christ's life was. That's true meditation. But what is reverse? I'm just going to go into this real quick because I think it's super important. Because you're going to have to teach somebody this stuff soon. You guys all might understand transcendental meditation is very bad. But why?
22:42 Well, this is why. When someone is taught to meditate in this way in the Eastern meditation they're taught to empty their mind first and then allow what it is to come into their life. That's the exact opposite of prayer. Prayer teaches us we reach out to Christ, let the Holy Spirit come into your life and have an MPS of the sin and bad things that are in our life. So that's a reverse prayer. What did it say in the Bible that happened to the lady that swept her house clean of all demons? Seven more came in. Is that what we want to do? We want to love Jesus into our life and that's what true prayer is. So that brings us into the third one you were asking about. The third one was one of our most important findings. Not the most important was that we terminated through calling on the name and authority of Jesus Christ and terminated it as a life pattern which most of the experiencers have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
23:40 The third thing that we found right there most important is why does this happen to these people? What separates these people from having the experience from other people who don't? What we found through the research dealing with hundreds and hundreds of cases the commonality we found and the secular realm tells you they don't know why certain people have this experience. They look at all sorts of crazy things are you RH negative blood? I know you could be one of these people but it's nothing to do with genetics it's nothing to do with blood type what we found for our answer looking at it from a Christian perspective which I later came to Christian we'll talk about that later but what we found was we found three answers you either meet the first answer or a combination of the three first answer why does it happen to certain people they ask for it and you're thinking why would somebody ask for that excuse me because they're curious I was one of those people be careful what you ask for who are we supposed to be asking what does Jeremiah 33 3 say call unto me and I will show you great and wondrous things we're supposed to talk to him not social media not people spinning all sorts of tails out there we're supposed to talk to God that's our channel that's our social media connection right there and it's in God's word so that's the first one now the second one which I think is the largest group we found that people had opened themselves up to the experience because they were doing things they were dabbling in areas that the Bible tells us don't mess with that okay they were opening the door unknowingly they were looking at things in the occult in the paranormal even the UFO phenomenon itself you start getting curious and you're not aware of what can happen to you you'll end up with these experiences the third one took some time to figure out because I had adults coming to me after I published these two ways that you could be one of these experiencers the third one was I had adults coming to me saying I don't fit those two I said well what do you mean you don't fit one of those two they said that we've had these experiences since we remember being children okay four, five, six years old they got memories of experiences being taken seeing strange creatures you know that show up at bedtime and I got to thinking well wow that's different there must be an answer here I didn't have it so I went back to God's word what does God's word say God tells us about how he set the human family structure up the structure of the human family is the father head of the household is responsible for the spiritual covering over his bank listen fathers I'm not giving that spiritual covering protection over the family they children are susceptible as well as you are so I went back and I looked at these testimonies and I said I need to talk to you guys the ones in particular that said they had these children I said I want to talk about your experience I want to talk about what you remember in your family life from back in that time every single time the doors were with the parents and it's carried on to the children because they were susceptible so that's our third answer that we found to why does this happen to certain people so you said that you you went back to scripture to find it but you weren't Christian yet so this was after can you tell us more about how that happened my testimony I told you I started out in MUFON as an agnostic humanist when I started work
27:58 I was a guy from Missouri you gotta show me something and I wasn't seeing it I wasn't getting answers that I was looking for as an agnostic humanist they still don't have answers out there today all of this stuff that they're sharing with you on the media, on the news the government giving us all these files you know what the evidence they really have it's called zero absolutely nothing but us at CE4 we have all sorts of answers they don't like the answers because you have to come to Jesus they don't want that but that's their problem not ours so as I started studying the abduction experiences we started interviewing them I started overhearing conversations that they were having about so and so is helping me try to stop these experiences and I'm thinking well who are you talking about here because at the time there was nobody helping these abduction experiences the best you could get was possibly a psychologist or even a group of people and all you're going to do is cry on each other's shoulders because you've all had the same experience the only thing you get out of that is you know you're not alone but it doesn't stop the experience nobody had that ability but there were people that were trying to sell the idea that they had the ability who were those people the new age metaphysical realm snake oil salesmen but they were there trying to help these people so I thought I need to look and see what's going on here are they really helping are they not helping as I got involved looking into the new age metaphysical realm I got sucked right in I didn't realize that something was missing here in me as an agnostic human but something was as I came in closer involvement with the new age metaphysical trying to find the answers for these abductees see what they were offering I realized that this new age metaphysical realm was offering a spirituality and I thought well it feels comfortable with me the comfortable part is the seduction of the new age metaphysical realm because they offer a spirituality without accountability that's the seduction that pulls people in there I spent four years as a metaphysical practitioner I was winning Christians to the metaphysical realm why was I able to do that because they did not know God's word they were professing Christians but I have to tell you we found a separation in type of Christian we found this is one of our findings by the way we found that Christians we call them the walk the walk the ones that had a relationship with Jesus focused on God's word living the way God tells us to they are not being affected by this phenomenon it was the other group we called them the talk believers they talk the talk but they don't walk the walk those people still had one hand dabbling over here on the side still playing the lottery still getting their horoscopes done those are open doors those are the unknowingly opening the door ok and that's why they were having experiences so that was a real unique finding that we found there very good Mark I'm enamored by what you're finding so when you found those things it caused you to think hmm maybe there's something else to this Christianity maybe what I found was and this was November of 1996 I wasn't married at the time I did have a son from previous marriage that I was trying to raise I ended up finding a girlfriend that I was attracted to what was interesting is that relationship she was a professing Christian she was working with us in our investigations which was important for us I was a crystal rolling New Ager I carried my little food with crystals in my pocket for protection you know what I learned at the New Age she sat me down one Saturday when I was visiting at her place she says you know I'm concerned about you and I said why she says you're exhausted you know between work doing investigations with my son I was running myself ragged and she says also
32:34 some of these cases you're working on I'm concerned because they seem to be very dark in nature and I think you need some protection so I reached it in my pocket pulled my gemstones out this one covers this she goes put those away she says you need real protection I said what are you talking about and she hands me a bible I said wait a minute this relationship is based on the fact that we're not going to talk about religion or politics and we get along great she says no it's in here I said no we're not going there I don't think that book has anything to do with this phenomena she said I believe it does and then she called me she said you know you tell everybody you're the most open minded objective investigator out there yeah I just been had I better listen to her show me what you got she opened that bible shared the gospel message with me took about 20 minutes at the most and the blinders came off the earplugs came out and I said to her I want that protection and in November 1996 I became a believer in Jesus Christ so here's looking at this as a package I came into this as an agnostic humanist I was able to view the UFO phenomenon through the lenses of an agnostic humanist how many answers did I get zero I spent four years as a new age practitioner looking for those same answers from a different perspective I want a new age metaphysical perspective what answers did I find zero when I became a Christian and started looking at this from a biblical world view all the answers started falling in place thank you God for allowing me to be a believer thank you for giving me these answers that I've been looking for so that I could help these people that's what was driving me all along was the want to help these people whose lives had been devastated and turned upside down somebody needed to help them and then we finally came across our first case where that gentleman called out in the name and authority of Jesus Christ that you now had a way to help these people and I went on to start collecting those testimonies I knew they were out there because the secular guys admitted that they had come across them too they just didn't know what to do with them so I said I'm going to take those cases now that I know there's more of them I'm going to find them I'm going to make myself known out there that that's what I'm looking for and believe me there's a difference in dealing with experiencers coming to you whether they're mentally ill or they're trying to trick you and pull a hoax I don't have that with the research I do now when I'm looking for a person that's going to bring me their testimony that they've been saved from this through Jesus Christ nobody's going to come and hoax that nobody's going to come and say that at all unless they're absolutely serious so I didn't have to do all that buffering like I did when I'm feeling it from a secular realm very good and once you became Christian you had a whole new look on how this was happening can you tell us more about what that showed as far as physical nature of this or a spiritual nature of this and I may say it this way there may be statistically people here that have had that experience and maybe be wondering well it seems as if I had a little alien coming to my room how do you talk to those people well just so you know people that have had this experience feel as you and I sitting here right now looking at each other and experiencing each other through conversation they believe it's a real event that actually happens like let's say tell me about your last birthday you're going to tell me what you remember from your last birthday it's only going to be about two minutes because you're only going to tell me the important things in front of your mind but you lived your whole day did you not?
36:58 what do you have in here? you prioritize it when you tell people about it but it's all recorded that's a real life event when I started investigating these testimonies of the experience that these people were having it wasn't like that there were gaps in the memory there were things that they just couldn't go and fill in because it wasn't there what I realized was happening here these people were not actually being documented anywhere it wasn't a real life experience like living your birthday what we found the abduction experience actually is and this is another red flag if you're looking at it as an extraterrestrial what we found is the experience of the abduction experience is a demonic spiritual visionary experience does that happen? we used to have a biblical record of it God giving these people visionary experiences angels giving them visionary experiences okay? this is an enemy that's counterfeiting the ability of God and the good agents we believe this is of the demonic realm and the purpose is to deceive the purpose is to take your eyes off the one God, the true God and look over here that's the purpose of the entire phenomena why come in the in the guise of aliens because that's what we would fall for modern technology advanced races that's where we're at in our history that's the only thing that would deceive us these are the same entities that have been here since the beginning of time with humanity on earth they've appeared through history as leprechauns, fairies, elves we're not going to fall for that in this day and age but we will fall for something of high technology and that's what we're seeing that's the guise they come in that's what they're seducing us with they're trying to give us special knowledge oh wait a minute where have we heard that before?
39:08 yeah the hidden knowledge and I want to say there's two more things I want to go over with you I want to go over the deception of what Christians can do now that they know the truth about this and what we're currently doing but before I do I wish I was able to give you a couple more talks that I have on Friday night at 2 o'clock but I want to have Joe because Joe is special and we have him here in I want to say Roseville all the time but that's where I used to live Roswell but what's the thing, just real quick that I think is super important is that I want you guys to be prepared because even though this stuff is absolutely spiritual absolutely spiritual the devil has a card behind his back just as he did during the time of Egypt in case something does physically happen like for instance biologics, the government is talking a lot about biologics right now what is biologics? well supposedly there's some alien body somewhere, we've heard about that because we're in Roswell but has this been in scripture? it has if you go into the Egyptian times when Moses went before Pharaoh he gave him an alien what he gave him was a snake Aaron put his sap on the ground and what did the demonic Egyptians do?
40:40 gave them biologics right? it appeared to be that there was a snake on the ground so believable that the snake that Aaron had ate the Egyptian snakes can Satan do stuff that puppets real life? yeah and it's going to confuse everybody and so if that happens I'm not saying it's going to but I want everyone to be prepared for something that might be physical, do you agree? agreed, this is the narrative that the government is pushing right now they're saying that they have biologics they have retrieved crashes and parts of crap is that possible that they have physical items? the bible tells us that is possible Satan can create these things to make that available are they been shown yet? no, will they be shown? I don't really believe they have it because if you really listen to what the government is saying it's always a whistle blower that's saying I know a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy and this is what they said and I believe that's not evidence, I'm sorry but that's what they're giving they want us to decide what this is just so you understand this whole disclosure that the government is pushing on us they will never ever, and I'll bet my job career on this that they will say exactly what this is what they're doing is they're playing a PSYOP game which all these whistle blowers are part of PSYOP they've all been part of CPRI the intelligence stuff they've been deceiving us for decades and now we're supposed to trust that for the answer? now I know, what they're doing and what they're going to do is they're going to push enough information out there where they allow you to make a decision on what this is as Christians we're going to know what this is from a biblical standpoint, this is demonic I'm sorry to say but a good portion of the country almost half of it is going to believe the other side and they're going to say, oh yes this is extraterrestrial it's going to put a division in this country that is going to divide this country down a middle they're not trying keep in mind the communication we hear from these experiences is always anti-Christ anti-God, Jesus is just another avatar that we created to move you through evolution of your spirit we're your creators by a mark of a bat that's what everybody else is going to fall for they're going to put such a division between Christians and the secular realm it's going to be almost a civil war good possibility it's going to be they're trying not to destroy Christianity, just so you understand that they're trying to change Christianity from within so that they come on board for the one world religion oh where have we heard that?
43:40 what can a Christian do to help this process or what can they do now so that they are not deceived stay grounded in the word let us teach you what we found ok this is a spiritual warfare going on between God's chosen people and the enemy their tool is deception what's the counter to deception education truth you've got to be grounded in that truth we are here to help uncover the deception and educate you and empower you to be able to take this information out and answer the questions of these people that are deceived it could be your own family members it could be your co-workers at some point they're going to say hey I know you're a Christian what do you think of all of this you need to have an answer or you're going to lose that person we're here to help educate you and give you those answers so you're empowered to be able to go out and address this attack that's on Christianity that's what we're here for this is why we do these talks this is why we come to other towns to share the information in other churches who's the army that's going to be fighting the enemy in this war it's the church it's the congregation people we're here to help educate you so that you can take a stand in this battle if you don't take a stand and fight against it it's going to over rise so we're trying to help you understand and be able to give the correct answers books that we've published and you can have as tools we've got all sorts of videos we're filming right now we're going to make this reporting available to you so you can share with somebody that might be caught up in this show them the red flags because that's how I've been able to reach through and break through to these people to help them how do you do that these people are under a demonic stronghold that have opened themselves up to get involved in this if you don't share the word with God you might as well be banging your head on the wall because that's what it's going to feel like they are under demonic oppression that they cannot hear God's word I'm telling you as a testament I was there you could not share God's word with me when I was under that oppression it had to break through the only way is chipping at that stronghold that they're under how do you do that this is what we're here to train you to do you start chipping away the red flags of this phenomenon show them all of the things that don't make sense that troubles them when you do that I just produced my and published my second book The Red Flags of Ufality I've got over 40 pages of red flags things that don't make sense but when you look at the whole book together of all those things that don't make sense you actually get a better picture of what this phenomenon is than the government what they're telling because they don't have a clue they still have zero so this is how you reach those people once you start planting that seed of doubt in them when you're talking to them showing them the red flags you know what's going to happen they're going to give you this look wow I never thought about that that's the open door to be able to share God's word you have to get to that point to where they're open to listening you can hit them at that point I see you're troubled by this I see you're troubled by these things that don't make sense let me share with you something that does make sense that's your opportunity what do you correctly do let's pop a little bit at this last section what are we doing now what do we do coming to this thing and what have you been doing the last 30 years the last 30 years sharing the truth the last 30 years coming to Roswell, New Mexico this is the mecca of this phenomenon if you live here you're part of it you're either for it or you're absolutely against it and if you're absolutely against it
48:16 the only way to be absolutely against it is to be vocal we've been chipping away at the stronghold here that's got Roswell as the myth leader of this phenomenon for 30 years and we've got a partner here he brought the ministry that God gave him to expose this phenomenon back in 1999 he came from Nashville he's been a resident here for 30 years now he actually ran for mayor just a few years ago he still is doing this mission that God gave him 30 years ago just like I'm still doing it from me giving it 30 years ago this year we made a breakthrough after 30 years of coming here we made a phenomenal breakthrough we held on Thursday the second christian symposium on UFOs and alien abduction the first one was in 2009 we finally decided to do a second one we did not do talks like this what we did was strictly questions and answers with the pastor of the clergy of Roswell because the churches here have been turning a blind eye to this phenomenon why? money there are people in the churches in Roswell who are business owners making money and infill off of this phenomenon believe it or not there are I know beacons and I know pastors in this city for the past 30 years that have done this to take their income off this myth that this Roswell event produces we are calling them out this year we called them especially this year because this is the year that the government is going to be saying we are giving you this closure we are calling them out on it we called these pastors we had a petition put together stating that you stand by the idea and theology that we believe this phenomenon to be demonic and we put the petition together we invited them to the symposium and we had to put their signature publicly on a document so that we could share it with the world you guys this is where it's all started but this is also the town where it's going to finish we had 8 clergy pastors and clergy from Roswell that signed a petition Thursday but the petition stays there to be signed by any more that want to come on board and take a stand for their city and say we no longer support this we know what this is and I'm taking a public stand that's what we're looking for this was the first time in 30 years we've been able to do that most of the churches that we were trying to reach in this city over the years they disappeared during the festival that's why they hold their camps and all their things for the youth that are gone they're not here witnessing and trying to help these people I'm starting to see it more and more though this is how you beat this strong mold from this town you know this town being here, coming here 30 years I see so much that this town could be recognized for the west, the American west there's so much that people would love to see if you were sharing it there's so many other things there's lots of arts a lot of art stuff here this place could be a mecca for artists and musicians they would come here it doesn't have to be this UFO phenomenon there are other ways to get visitors here to help income for this city and that's what we're trying to do we're trying to expose that very good so I want to kind of open it up to Q&A now question and answer but before I do let's have a little prayer and say thank you to God for allowing us to talk about this this is a huge issue Father God thank you so much for allowing us
52:40 to come to Roswell and talk about this in New Mexico what a beautiful state this is and I have really enjoyed just traveling the road and looking at the beautiful scenery especially the sunsets here I ask that you guide these people you give it us and help us to have a safe trip and a healthy trip as we go to our next destination in Jesus name Amen