0:07 I was a high priest of a Druid grove. I didn't know what the character of God was like, so I wanted to explore, you know, so I became a prodigal son. I wanted to explore. Come back from Iraq, I had some trouble and had some post-traumatic stress disorder from that. Some of the things that they did to treat the post-traumatic stress disorder was pushing me more toward the occult side of things. They taught a lot of the Eastern meditational practices as well. The breathing techniques, the meditation that was actually, you know, bringing some feelings of peace. Yeah. I reached out to the Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids, which is the largest organization of Druidry in the world.
1:00 Did you experience any communication with these entities? Yes, I did. At first, they would start as an orb. Did you actually physically see anything other than just hear things in your head when you're talking? I saw with my eyes, totally sober, and I could see details. I could see her hair, her arms, her legs. It was very detailed. On this channel, we talk a lot about orbs and UFOs. The entire campground would be nothing but these orbs floating everywhere. The entities, the different entities that we were communicating with, they didn't agree. And all the time, at war with each other. Wow. I just dug a little deeper, and I learned about this deity named Lilith. At the same time, I'm seeing a push in the pagan communities from the entities from everywhere.
1:57 They were pushing toward this unity. The great reason that love, free-run, because that's what they're doing. That's what they were doing in my circles. It was the great reset. And we both got up, and we just took and just the stuff on our altars, and we're talking a lot of money, but we were like right in the trash and right out the door we went, and we're like getting done. Dumped it in the Ohio River. And it's nothing that we've done. It's all about him. Yeah. His robes of righteousness. Right. Thank you guys for coming. I think it's very interesting, your background and how you came to Christianity, how you came into the church. Thank you guys for being here too, because, thank you guys so much for the conversation. And nice to have us. So first, Jeff, John, what do you guys do as far as evangelistic work? Well, it's not much, and we're nobody important, but what we do is, we do have a website, and the website, we have nothing of ourselves really, except for a small testimony.
3:02 And it just guides people to other places that might be of interest. You can find where you can have some free Bible studies, you'll find Strange Normal on there, and some other documentaries, some free online literature. And if you need prayer, you know, you can request prayer on there. But our ministry is basically to distribute literature. We try to come up with enough money. Most of it comes up out of our own pocket. And we order as many Great Controversies or whatever book we're going to go and go distribute and we go door-to-door and distribute literature. And also we have, she does most of it. I take the pictures a lot of times. We live out in the forest and I like to, I like photography. So I'll take pictures of nice pretty flowers or something and, and she'll put a memory verse to it or a scripture to it.
4:04 I get those. I didn't know that. So yes. Yeah. Most of them, unless it says something else, it's him. And we've been told they go all through Africa and everywhere around the world. So, and we do have a YouTube, but it's, we, we don't do a whole lot right now. Like I'm reading through the desire of ages, but we do do little things like some scripture things and little things like that too. But our ministry is be to jesus.net and people can donate to you guys to get literature and stuff like that. Yeah, we do have a patron and there's a link to that on the website. Awesome. Perfect. Yeah. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having us. Yes. It's been a blessing being here. Yes. Tell us, go back. Let's go back to the close to the beginning. Where were you?
4:53 How did you get to where you are now? But let's begin at the beginning. You were a Christian. Yes. That was a seventh day having as Christian and you fell away. And yes, when I became of age, um, old enough to make, make my own decisions. I've right away. I wasn't interested in staying. And, um, you know, I, um, the same day of his church, um, is, is a church of with people in it. And so when you're looking at people, you're going to see, um, faults. And that's what I was doing. I was seeing faults. And no matter where you go, no matter what church you're in, there's going to be people. They're humans, humans being humans. And so, uh, you gotta be careful, you know, where you're looking when you're looking at the right church, you, you know, they may have the truth, but, um, if you're looking for Jesus, you need to look to Jesus.
5:53 But, uh, I hadn't no desire to stay because I didn't know what the character of, of God was like. Um, I hadn't seen it. I, I heard, you know, the commandments and that sort of thing, but I really didn't see it in the world. And, um, I didn't want to be like revolting or anything like that. I just didn't see that the truth was there. And, uh, so I wanted to explore, you know, so I became a prodigal son. I, I wanted to explore. I took my, uh, my funds and, and I went into the world and slept with the pigs, so to speak. So, but, uh, anyway, um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, um, I got into, uh, Druidry after I had spent some time in the military. And, um, I became, um, a war veteran when I was in Iraq. Uh, come back from Iraq, I had some trouble and had some, uh, post-traumatic stress disorder from that. And I still struggle from it a little bit, but, um, not anything like what I did before.
7:07 But, um, one of the things that they did to, uh, treat the post-traumatic stress disorder was pushing me more toward the occult side of things. Uh, well, for starters, they, uh, pushed me more. It, it, it's, it's just a customary thing. It's just by default, as a human, we're selfish. And they, they, they teach you to be more selfish, more self-centered, and to focus on you and your, and your recovery and, uh, and, and handling because there's, there's not really any cure for post-traumatic stress disorder. So they, they want to teach you how to deal with it on a daily basis. And, um, being self-centered is, is how they want you to do it. And also, um, they taught a lot of the, uh, Eastern meditational practices as well.
8:06 And, and it's true. It gave me some, some feelings of peace, you know, and, uh, learning that stuff, uh, I, I became open to some of the things that I was, you know, I had a lot of friends and I talk about leaving the Adventist church and, and, uh, it doesn't have to be an Adventist church. There's a lot of churches out there that have the people in there that are just so judgmental, you know, and, and, uh, with the, uh, the community of pagans, everyone is just so family friendly oriented. They don't care the past that you're coming from anything like that. They're just so open arms and, and they make you feel like you're a part of something, you know, key. Key is the feeling. Yes. Feel like you are part of something.
9:01 As you are, just the way that you are. No changing, nothing that, that has to be, um, become a better character. Right. It's just that, um, as you are in, you are, you are loved essentially. Yes. How do you define it? Fascinating. Uh, you mentioned that this happened in the military and I've just recently, as in the past five years or so, heard that it seems like there's a resurgence of paganism in the military. Like a lot of military guys worship Thor and stuff like that. Is that, did you see that? Like that, that this kind of Norse gods and stuff coming back into the military? Well, one of the things that the military does is it, it pushes pride on you. Yeah. And, um, you know, when you're going out to a war zone, um, when I first boots on the ground, I thought I was, you know, legit something, somebody, and especially with the, the, the weapons loaded and ready to go.
10:02 Um, you know, I thought it was invincible because of how they program you to be that way. And so, uh, it's, it's just, um, it's just, um, automatic for someone like that to be attracted to gods of war, goddesses of war and those sort of things. So yes, that's definitely a thing. Kind of piggyback on that because just real quickly, John Todd, if you've heard his story, he was an ex Illuminati member, I believe in club of 300 and a warlock of some sort himself. Um, he says that being that high up, they always in each branch of the government of the military and every recruiting center, they have one that works there because they want it to be an overwhelming theme of witchcraft, but they're really teaching.
11:01 Is that true from your standpoint? Really? They pushed Christianity. When I was in there, they pushed a lot of Christianity in there, but of course the, um, the main Christian denomination that, that they were promoting was, was Catholicism. Okay. Yeah. Which is Christianity. Okay. Don't even follow the Bible, but don't get me started, but the chaplains are, are, they're pretty much forced to be open. Yes. To any denomination or any belief outside of Christianity as well. Right. And they have to, um, you know, accommodate for whatever the soldier's belief is. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. There's many factions of the government. I imagine that there's, I'm even what I've noticed is the air force is much different in the Marines, right?
11:56 So, so I had a lot of friends when I was out, uh, I was in a very transient state where a lot of people were coming in and out cause there's many bases out there. Um, and, um, just thinking about all the friends I had out there, the, the, the friends that I had that were in different, different areas had different, I could tell it different sections had different personalities. And I get it. And so, um, it might be, yeah, yeah. Different. Maybe the, yeah, the Marines are always more hardcore and like what's a Marine always Marine. I always hear that the air force has kind of made fun of for being kind of laid back and all that kind of stuff. I've never asked that question before to someone who was in Druidry and was in the military to see if they knew, but I have asked other people if they just saw any kind of patterns. Most of them didn't know it when they were in. So I'm wondering if it, it is in there. So I do think John Todd was telling the truth, but I just don't think people realize it. It's, it is under the guise of Christianity. I will say this. Um, it may have been just a coincidence, but from what I'm seeing, it probably was not.
13:00 Um, but the coincidence is that my, uh, commander just happened to be a Freemason. Okay. There you go. And I think from what I see that that's a pretty common thing. Yeah. And before the, the higher ups to be a part of that, he introduced Druidry to you. No, no, it wasn't until actually after I was out of the military, I was, uh, medically dis, I had just re-upped for another eight more years. Oh. And, uh, I was at Fort Knox and, and I was training soldiers to go over to, uh, war zones and still being in that environment, you know, having to mock up that environment for, for the training.
13:49 It was, you know, troublesome to me. And so, uh, eventually I ended up having to be, um, medically discharged out of the military. And I got, um, honorary, honorary, uh, discharge. But, uh, Oh, there the, how did you get into Druidry? I mean, how, how did that happen? How did you, are you still going there or, or? Yeah, that's where I was headed with it. Sorry. I was, I was out of the military and I was going through the, um, the dealing with the PTSD at that point. Okay. And, uh, so that opened me up to, into a whole new world because the, the whole new world, because they had to, they had to diminish the, I'm invincible, you know, and I can't talk about things. And, you know, the, the manly man in me, they had to tear that stuff down before they could, um, try to help me with the post-traumatic stress disorder. And, you know, you have to talk about things and you don't, as a soldier, you just, you don't want to talk about those things.
14:55 And, um, I was introduced to a whole new different world at that point. And that was probably, you know, some good things in that. But, uh, at the same time, you know, the, the, the breathing techniques, the, the, the meditation that was actually, you know, bringing some feelings of peace. Yeah. And, um, and so that opened me up to when I had those friends that were in these, um, other places, witchcraft and, and, and, uh, Wicca and Druidry and all these different things. Um, I even had a, a, a soldier friend that was from New Zealand. So, he would do the, uh, the, the, the dances, the warlike dances. My kids would love watching him do that. Um, but, you know, that was basically summoning the, the, the spirits of his ancestors.
15:50 But, um, it opened me up to, you know, I want to know more about this stuff. And so I just started studying myself and, and diving in there. Eventually it led me to, I reached out because I was, uh, raised up. I loved camping. I loved the outdoors and Druidry was more into, I know, uh, a lot of, you know, witchcraft is about nature, but Druidry especially was okay. Uh, witches have covens, but Druids have graves. Uh, and, um, the, the definition of a grove is where you have three or more trees together, and you're in the midst of those trees. So basically that's where you have your, your magic circle in a grove. And so eventually it's what you were called was you're called a grove.
16:40 Instead of a coven, your little group is a grove. Okay. And so, um, I actually, you know, thought I was talking to trees. And, and, and, and, uh, but I reached out to, uh, the Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids, which is the, our, the largest organization of Druidry in the world. Can you say that one more time? The Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids. Bards, B-A-R-D-S? Yes. Uh-huh. Okay. And that's based out of, uh, England. And, um, I took a course through them, through the mail, and I learned all that they had to teach us about, which is interesting because there's not a lot of written records about this stuff. It had all been either destroyed or they just didn't, they didn't have the, the, the Galio, Gaelic languages. They just didn't write things down. They, they, they did like ogums in the trees or, or on, on wood.
17:45 But, um, there were, really wasn't much written records of stuff. Wow. And, uh, of course, you know, now we know that, uh, Rome came in and, and took over everything. And then they had their side of the story. And in a lot of things, you know, like Pliny was a Roman, um, poet. And you get a lot of history out of Pliny. And that's where they get a lot of today's Druidry they get from Pliny. So we really don't know exactly what they did back then. Or what they didn't do back then, unless you have some communication of some entity that was alive during that time, which I believe that we can do. We can have communication with entities because we know that there are, are angels, fallen angels.
18:37 And, um, they were there alive during that time. Did you experience any communication with these entities? Yes, I did. And, uh, one of the reasons why I got into Druidry, I picked Druidry out of all the different avenues is because I was studying my, um, my background, my lineage, and my Scottish heritage led me into Druidry. And one of the things that we do is we connect with our ancestors, you know, so, um, you know, the rituals that we have sometimes is, is calling them forth because they can give you wisdom. And, and also, uh, because we're really big on King Arthur and, and the Knights, um, we would connect with them. And, um, it would get deeper than that. There were actually times when, um, I would help people that were, they were experiencing problems with paranormal activities and they were being harassed by certain entities.
19:47 And I had this belief where I could take certain crystals and I could go into a place and I could use the crystals to, to control them and then use other crystals to entrap them. And then I could take them out into nature and I can release them and they would become good entities mingled in with nature. They would become the flowers and the trees and things. The fairies. Yes, the fairies. And this, oh, go ahead. No, no, I was just commenting on that. It's so interesting, but I, I find very interesting occult themes in this where you said that you are, you are obtaining this knowledge through talking to your ancestors, who we know is necromancing the Bible. Yes. That's, uh, that's not, it's talking to demons basically.
20:39 Right. But they pretend to be your dead relative and for the purpose of hidden knowledge. Mm. Knowledge that you would not normally know. Knowledge at a tree. Yes. Yeah. Thinking like Ronald Eden right there. That was the hierarchy of spirits was the trees for us druids. That's where the most knowledgeable of spirits were in the tree. That's right. Cause the oracles and so on. And so a tree hugger. Yeah. Yeah. That's so, you know, we were, we were all like crystals. You think a new age and hippies and, but also druids and witches. It's like, it's all linked together. Yeah. That's why Satan has like a flavor for everybody. Like you were into the druids. Somebody else might be into the new age, but they're all doing the crystals. They're all talking to, uh, ascended masters or. Entities. Ancestors, entities, whatever. Yeah.
21:30 It's amazing. Hmm. But there's an end game and, and I'll save that for later after we both share our testimony a little more. But, um, yeah, that is an end game. And, and I'll save that for later after we both share our testimony a little more. But, um, yeah, that is interesting that, that they all have their own avenues of approach because everyone has their, you know, where Satan is so smart. He knows what everyone's into, what their weaknesses are and, um, what's going to attract them. But he pulls on heartstrings. Yeah. I see that all the time. Like, uh, Oprah Winfrey shows or something, or even Steve, uh, Steve Harvey, like they'll have these channelers come on. These are people who proclaim to be a Christian, like Oprah doesn't anymore, but Steve Harvey does. And Kelly Clarkson, they have channelers come on their show and say like, Oh, your grandma, she's telling me something about a necklace she gave you. And the people in the audience just weeping like, Oh, you know, yeah, he's just pulling on the heartstrings, man.
22:37 Now, did you guys have any channeling or mediums going on? I mean, you were talking to trees, I guess, or these entities, but did you guys use mediums, any other kind? And if I can add to that, when you were talking to, or when you had these mediums or without the mediums, did you actually physically see anything other than just hear things in your head when you're talking? Hmm. Well, it's interesting that, um, on this channel, we talk a lot about orbs, the UFOs. And at one point, they would start as an or, and especially the fair spring. When we would, uh, talk with the fairies, they would start off. It would be interesting. We would be out camping and we would have a, a ritual. And, um, they would get very active. The entire campgrounds would be nothing but these orbs floating everywhere. It would be all over the place. Not just this one, but all over the place. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, uh, not just this one or two or whatever it did.
23:44 But they would just be everywhere. And we believe that, you know, we were in a a fairy city. You know, that's where they lived that. And they were coming and going quite frequently there. And then eventually there would be some of them that would manifest into more, uh, human-like forms. Really? Yes. Amazing to me that when people think of demon, automatically in their mind, they're thinking horns, horns teeth evil but fairies i mean we're talking about tinkerbell you know stuff that is in kids movies frangoli tinkerbell all about fairies and you think oh that's cute you know and no parent really has a red flag about putting their kid in front of a fairy movie um but these are another form of demon mermaids too and stuff like that if you even look at the history behind fairies and in america it's been very romanticized but the stories are very horrifying where they would you know they would steal your your babies and all kinds of stuff yeah but of course you know they want to be your friends and so they'll make you think that you know if if you follow into a certain guideline or path or whatever that um you know you can you can be one with them yeah you did you have to be on any type of drugs or anything to i realize this is a silly question maybe but a lot of time we've heard the ayahuasca dmt are big players in this uh communication with demonic entities and druidry was it encouraged to be on a type of substance in order to communicate with these orbs or what well if you ask druids it depends on on what crowd um it's not necessary um there are some druids you know you know they're into naturistic things so um they'll they'll use the the mushrooms the mushrooms will be used in some in some uh instances for us we didn't have to have it but it just so happened that uh going through the post-traumatic stresses order i actually had doctors that were uh recommending me to be on the the marijuana and um and so you know we we were using marijuana at times and when we did use the marijuana it would amplify the experience yeah it would right and i believe that too i don't want that to discredit anything he's saying because i think i this is my personal thought process on this that um when you suppress the frontal lobe then you allow the demonic entities where you access because you can't stop it you don't have the ability to say i know i don't want that in me right now right and i know there's going to be people are going to say well see he was on drugs no no the reason why this this this clicks is because it happens the exact same way in many different instances you got yeah dead relatives you got these weird flirting orb things you got this communication that you wouldn't normally say to yourself and so these are these are entities out there that are talking to you and god is against them but in druidry you don't have that that uh understanding you have to give them uh a door i think using drugs is is a door and just for anybody out there who's never tried marijuana you don't usually see things i've never seen a fairy and all that marijuana i've never smoked so it doesn't take away i was the reasons what go ahead sorry i was totally sober before we had gotten together and jeff sent me a video of a fairy that was at his house around a candle and you saw i saw with my eyes totally sober she was about this big and she was dancing around his candle and i could see details i could see her hair her arms her legs it was very detailed and i seen a scene of that in a movie or something that's from peter pan they have a lot of that actually and i say the drugs is not necessary and and i wasn't on drugs all the time but when i wasn't on drugs i was doing something that was exact same effect right as using drugs and that's the meditation though it does the same thing as the drugs yes
28:09 wow and so so so let me get this straight you weren't on drugs but you had meditated and that's when you start started seeing these things just like for instance stephen greer is big into the right and so he he has come out he put on facebook just recently saying look i can teach you how to photograph extraterrestrials they put on on facebook these very dark figures that look like they're in hoods you can't really see their face but it's obviously a picture of some very dark and so you're saying you were able to photograph these things but how do they get those things to show up meditation yeah yeah it's crazy ce5 ce5 which is meditation and it's easter meditation meaning yeah you know because the bible talks about meditation there's good meditations right because i had a hard time learning when i was taught meditation and i was taught uh what they call meditation and i was taught uh what they call a white box technique and i'm not going to get into it deeply but i'm just going to say that the process was basically emptying everything every single thought in my mind emptying it out and putting it into this box and getting rid of it so that my mind is completely empty biblical meditation is when you're taking all your thoughts and you're recollecting it and you're praying to god about it at the same time taking his word and you know you're you're you're actually putting thought into it and you're actually putting thought into it and you're not emptying your thoughts out and making you know a void space open for anything to come in that's right yeah now i have to ask based on what i've spoken on before i hope i'm not getting don't go for it yeah were there blood rituals sacrifices and sexual rituals as well um i were i was friends with a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who some people who used blood rituals and um it could be anything from sneaking into someone's bathroom and and and robbing a hair follicle you know to to perform a ritual on that um the sexual they weren't a necessity to doing the rituals but um what i was into the the sexual enhancements would be from a result from what you were doing like you can improve your love life by you know doing these rituals and that but it didn't require i've i've i've heard and seen some things from what you're talking about but what i was into was not okay jewelry itself is not into that but i guess there are different sex that sets that will get into that sort of thing but i wasn't in that myself because i've heard some people are actually they take on the form of different goddesses or gods and they'll actually do that act together to become one with that entity further sometimes um which is not good either but it's a different reason i guess than what you were talking about yeah sin loves to pervert everything that god's made so meditation is a different reason i guess and more of such with like the doing the adjustable FPGA even if it was just happening to the very beginning and hey Feels like we're constantly talking but yeah usually alongside you have these different definitions of a certain type ofủheba есть their personality their characteristics okay and they try to push that upon you but what we were in specifically didn't require some kind of um you know like satanists will have the altar where they actually get yeah on the altar and that's how they're pretty much baptized in or whatever it wasn't anything like that no okay and i want to get into um you were into witchcraft um and then i wonder i want to know after we talk about witchcraft a little bit how in the world does a druid and a witch together and how did you become christian so we're going to get there too but um i want to kind of go there unless you get into that so i was thinking tell me about your uh your experience as a witch um so i came into witchcraft because it was several years after um my first marriage had failed i had a um really bad nervous breakdown um and mentally unstable when i was in and out of the hospital i had several diagnoses and
33:18 very unhappy very hopeless um and i had even forgot to mention at that time um i was into cutting um because i literally couldn't feel anything i had no feelings left and i see how the demons got in that way so it was very easy to um look at a friend of mine who was so happy it appeared and um i was like what what's your happiness like had a horrible life we did we my home wasn't really um we didn't get a church a lot matter of fact my parents didn't go at all the neighbors took us so i knew like a wee little bit about jesus from this little church out the road from us and and i enjoyed going as a little girl i really enjoyed it as a teenager really not so more so i just quit going um so um i don't like saying this a whole lot but um our family life wasn't very good um i think dad did the best that he could but there was some abuse and my dad was also a free mason and i remember little like comments and i i asked my mom a little bit about it and he was he was like 32nd degree and all of a sudden my dad stopped going and there was like no rhyme no reason no explanation like that so i really didn't understand but he did um kind of force when i was going to college that i had to join the female the eastern star and i knew absolutely nothing about what i was doing but he said that i had to do it it was required because there would come a point in time that i would need probably some money from them and they would help me with scholarships and for the first four years it was totally paid for i had a full you know through scholarships and things stuff at a gentleman i went to a jesuit college but i dropped out my third year but um do you mind me asking what that college name was um yes it was called wheeling jesuit college but now it's wheeling jesuit university it's in wheeling west virginia okay and it was a very tiny um school because i was going into um first i had thought about um psychology then i got more into like as i went i i was doing a double major psychology and criminal justice together so i had went from wanting to do one thing to do another but i really wanted to get into the criminal mind part of it um so i had gotten pregnant my third year out of college decided i wanted to be a mom and kind of jumped into a rushed marriage with my first husband you know you're you're just two kids and you're you're young and you're trying to do what's right so we get married and we were married a long time but um some difficult things happened and some very bad things and um i had a nervous breakdown were you into any type of religion um yes actually we had went um to a couple of places and i was like i'm gonna go to a couple different churches we went to um a baptist church to begin with and then a pentecostal church um what happened with the order of the eastern star you're still a part of it no when we dropped out um i had told the lady and this was actually funny because cheyenne was a baby and the lady worked at the hardware store and i went in one day and she said your your dues are due i said excuse me what are you talking about she said your your dues are due a matter of fact you haven't paid you since you joined eastern star i said i did not want to join that that was my i had no choice i did not i don't even know anything about your group i don't want to be a part of your group i've never went to a meeting matter of fact just take me off the list or whatever you gotta do i don't want any part of it and she was like shocked and she was like so you're not gonna pay i'm like no i'm not i don't want to be a part of this i was like i was forced i wasn't given a choice he didn't like hold me down and i was like i'm not gonna be a part of this i was like i was forced you know he just said you're gonna do it and you're gonna do it so when dad would say stuff like that like you just did what you were told so but no i didn't i'm not a member i mean i don't know if they had me on the books but i denounced it i'm i didn't want to be a part of that and that was before even knowing what a little bit i know now but i just knew that i didn't want to be
38:10 a part of it i didn't know why i just didn't want to be a part of it um so i had a little bit of the nervous breakdown and um i was in a very dark place and so i got into you know just some craziness with drinking and smoking marijuana and stuff and um i met my second husband and he was um very abusive every single type of abuse um it took longer to get out than get in and he was younger than me so it really um boosted my self-esteem because there's this young handsome man and he's taking this interest and oh you know when did the witchcraft enter your your life that's where i was going with so i was um i had left him is what happened we divorced and i left him and i was living on my own and i was really still in that dark place and i reached out to my friend who had been part of both weddings as a matter of fact um and so i was like you're happy all the time like what's the secret to your happiness and she's like why just make it happen i'm like what do you mean is it that simple like how you gonna make that happen you know and she's like well you know you just um i just do these spells and you know you just manifest what you want i'm like what are you talking about and she was into witchcraft and so like i just started looking up and studying about it and like i didn't want to be and he's i i think i was rebelling so hard against everything that i didn't want to be um i didn't want to be wicca i didn't want to be i didn't want somebody to tell me what to do so i became what they call a solitary eclectic witch which means i could pick and choose whatever deity i wanted i could have several deities i could do whatever i wanted to attain whatever i wanted and in the beginning whenever really wasn't sure where to go um actually it was some norse gods um freya and actually um odin had came to me in a dream one time and um it was really strange but so i took um and then i took what was bridget from she was oh that's a celtic celtic okay so i took on my name my witch name became brya bridget and freya those were my two in the beginning now i've heard that every witch has a witch name versus a real name yes brya and brya okay it was my chosen witch name i did have one question you said that you you had two marriages and the first one you were kind of going to church was the second one where did you go from i go to church sometimes to hmm interested in witchcraft and was there any red flags like thank you for asking that um so i had a couple of really bad experiences with church the first one was the baptist church that we went to um and they used to do home visits and they came and i was i was avidly studying my bible on my own i mean i would study like all day long and the kids would play and god showed me the sabbath and i was like wait a minute the seventh day is a saturday why are we going to church on sunday so when they came out for the visit i was kind of knew why they were there and questioning like where this was going to go but also i was kind of happy like here's the pastor i'm gonna i'm gonna present this question and he'll have time other than the church to talk to me so i said how can how did we get from um sabbath being saturday to people go to church on sunday i don't see i've read all through i cannot figure it out i've really been searching can you tell me like how do how do we get here was there a like a commandment or something or what happened it did the switch and he said well that's just the way it's always been you're not to question i'm like i'm not to question and he was like no and he just did not like and i persisted with my questioning because i'm like no i really want to like i'm sincere i really want to know and basically he just got really upset and like i was damned to hell for believing don't come back to the church and i was like man yeah what i'm being sincere like i want to my bible says stop it and then so um we had went to a pentecostal church
42:56 and different pentecostal churches and i really enjoyed i like the music that's what got me attracted the most was the music and um just the feeling and all that and then the one right before the end we were going to a it was a pentecostal but it was a church of god and um i know jeff and i had talked before about um you know people laying on hands and things like that and i had saw people what they call being slain in the spirit and they would just fall for no reason and one day the pastor was doing an altar call and called us forward and i was like you know what and and i i said it out loud i never should have said out loud i was like i'm not gonna believe in this kind of stuff unless it happens to me so as he walked across the stage preaching and he didn't even touch me he didn't do anything i fell out and i got scared and if it's god you should not be scared and i was screaming let me off this floor and nothing was coming out of my mouth and eventually i got up and i was scared i was terrified i didn't feel love i didn't feel any security i felt terror and horror and so that was we were in when my first husband had um all these things happen he went let me let me ask you a question there because that that's really interesting i'm i'm yeah going over some of this delivering stuff a little bit so now we're actually gonna bring some people out to actually talk a little bit more about a very similar event that happened to you uh recording this weekend with someone that that said that happened to them they said that they blacked out and a bunch of stuff happened to them as well um can you elaborate on that experience and tell us a little bit about that experience a little bit do you believe that even saying this sounds i don't want to i don't know how to word the question do you think that either you were possessed or do you or do you think it was a demonic spirit that inhabited you or do you think you they had some kind of effect on you that hypnotic or hypnotic i don't know i just remember like feeling a force knock me down and being held to the ground and i was like i'm like thinking i'm screaming out loud but i guess it was mentally like let me up let me up let me up right now that sounds like sleep paralysis types yeah yeah isn't it i used to experience sleep but that kind of stuff the sleep terrors and stuff as a kid and a lot a lot were on your chest um even into adulthood after my second husband after i left him i would have night terrors like super super bad where i couldn't get up and i thought it was because he was a bad person this was before i even got into witchcraft um but i was delving into some other stuff that i shouldn't have been opening doorways into and um i think that was allowing access to that like bdsm and and things like that sure yeah sure i imagine that can definitely have an effect on things um and so that was the second marriage or the first that was first marriage the second marriage was the second marriage is yeah after that is when i get into that and then and then that's when you kind of had already left the christianity yeah and then you went forward more yeah because i was kind of just like i never like i remember my second husband like trying to get him to get a church and we went to like one time or something to a church in nazarene and it was just some church like in the town we went to and not really even knowing it i don't even not really know anything about it about them to um but he really wasn't too much into he wasn't too much into that stuff you know what i mean so um i just needed something to fill the emptiness and so and she did a card reading and like i kind of got like kind of wrapped up into that kind of stuff too and um she's like well you know you don't have there's no rules there's no rules in witchcraft like you can make your own rules research it you need to research pick what you want pick what you want this is tempting to me pick what i want so i was like okay um this is what i'm choosing and and i just did very little um you know some candle things uh some healing for friends and oh it seemed to work my one friend had um what is it after you eat the chicken pox and then you're an adult um shingles shingles he had shingles really really bad and all he could do is call me on the phone i lit a candle and i really went into a deep almost trance like meditative state of sending
47:55 this energy and it literally drains you like i literally felt like i sent everything to him and within an hour he called and said um thank you i'm totally healed it's all the way gone and i'm thinking wow but satan can't heal people can he see that's a deception for the christians yeah he's a snake he can't do anything that's feels good or is healing but i bring this up all the time talk to a new ager they're doing crystal healing reiki all this stuff and that's not of god no i've heard though that i think roger monroe talks about this and granted roger he's not a prophet but he's had a lot of experience in the occult and he talks about how the healing that is done by demonic entities is more of a an oppression of the like let's say you have back problem your impact really hurts he's causing your back to hurt so that you go to a healer and the healer says ask this i'm gonna help you and takes that pain away but the demon can't wear it back in unless the guy comes into you first yeah and so it's it's kind of a fake healing yeah because we know that satan can put ailments on you because joe busted out boils everywhere because of satan had the power to do that right and satan can remove that of course and look like oh i healed you exactly so you basically said this like prayer i mean it's amazing to hear the what's the word i'm thinking of like just the passion or the discipline that witches have new ages have they'll meditate for hours and a christian is like oh i'm gonna read my devotion this morning that's so sad you know and i'm i'm guilty of it too sometimes yeah but you hear about witches and new ages and they're like oh i'm gonna read my devotion this morning and they're like oh i'm gonna they'll do hours long sessions not only that very um adamant about i know we were very adamant about in the beginning all of our um full moon activities remember very adamant when is the full moon yeah we have to do our circle um we have to or get out yeah get out of the get out of the house get to the wilderness or solar and the s bots were were uh lunar interesting and they all had the same thing and they all had the same thing and they all had the same thing and their importance and what is that yeah the sabbats for solar that says holidays the sabbats which is very close to sabbath yeah yeah and and in fact you know a lot of them would just call them sabbath yeah and then the uh the lunar were called s bots the minor holidays right yeah yeah yeah okay so i wanted to touch on just for me my own curiosity as well and for others who have questions i've heard them say laying on of hands satan doesn't have like the bible talks about it and i know that they want you to bless people or ordain them and so on or pray over them did you have that in witchcraft as well that there was laying on of hands of any kind um yeah the kind you like especially in the heat like when i would do healing things sometimes um well the one um man i was in a relationship with him before jeff he would get really bad migraines and i remember doing healing things and like putting my hands and like saying things and i had the candles around sometimes i put him in like we'd be in a circle and you know doing things like that but i believed in um like crystals yes and not only that the power flowing from me through my hands like recce into yeah but i never studied anything like that and i was like oh my god i'm like that i could just like i would visualize it yeah that's a better word yeah or um people at a distance like when i said about the distance healing i would visualize all of my white this is what i visualize my white energy my white healing and it would just like travel to that person and okay for some reason um i was actually praying to entities for this because they had us believing that they had the power yeah that's right right you are your own god yeah yes they're just helping you along the way okay so my next question just personally with my own medical uh problems that i faced even as a kid and into adulthood i was taken to a lot of nature paths ones who want you to hold your hand out and they're gonna put like some toxin like mold or something on you little
52:41 tiny bottle they're gonna push down on that hand and they're gonna tell you if it goes down at all you have to do something about it and they're gonna tell you if it goes down at all you have to do something about it and they're gonna tell you if it goes down at all you have to do something a problem with that mold or i guess you're deficient in some kind of vitamin or whatever it was that they're going to tell you that seemed very weird to me but they will also tell you i had this one lady she was a friend of the family and i just remember having some really bad stomach issues the time and she would tell me you call me anytime this happens to you and from anywhere in the world i can do this to do this thing with her hands it was just like a mudra or something i'm not gonna do it because it just seems quite evil because it was basically like like you're gonna do the horns or goat head with your hands and then just push down or push forward into the air and she would just be like there i've corrected it for you inside of your soul and i would hear her say these things and there were so many other christians sitting around me and these were adventists as well and they'd be like wow that's amazing and my head started going crazy like i was is this a witch i'm dealing with here because she said all i need is your permission one time and i can do it from anywhere in the world all i do this for all my patients and i was like i do not give consent i was like no you told her that yeah i was like no um no eric wilson talks about that yeah hey talked about the the hand thing but she doesn't even she doesn't claim to be a witch she doesn't know in fact she's um of the hebrew roots movement but she's a naturopath doctor naturopathic so more leaning towards cabalism yeah but she keeps all the feasts she prays in hebrew she journals in hebrew she speaks straight from the bible she keeps a sabbath everything like to a t but then she does this and i've heard from other people she does this and i've heard from other people that's what they call a green witch and i'm like i have heard of that where the plants apparently they go on to nature and nature talks to them about what oils to make out of certain plants to even cure people and everything and so i don't know if you know about that i know that's kind of going on a i don't know i've never heard about that with the hand thing that's like yeah i just thought it's very similar to drudgery though see that and that's where the green witch stuff kind of ties in but it's very interesting because satan is all about trying to create um a counterfeit of truth and so a lot of times there'll be a lot of stuff that may be legit things and you know god created a lot of these things and and yet i know that we can put our faith into created things rather than god right himself but there are some god created um oils and herbs yes plants and things that that could help us you know there's there's a proper diet yeah and those those types of things too of course but you don't put your belief totally in that the herbs because we do i mean i do a lot of like i make my own salves and we do i've been learning more herbalism things but god has been very clear like i am the healer these are to assist well you don't need to do that you don't need to do that you don't need to do that you don't need them i am the healer but if you eat properly and these things can help but that is not what heals see and that's where i found my healing was i actually god seemed i was praying really hard because i was having problems getting out of bed even as a young teen and so i'm like you know god's gotta have answers i started reading herb books that had no leaning towards spiritual anything it just talked about these properties have anti-aging this one has anti-inflammatory whatever and i started putting together a list of things to take i had my mom go to the store and get the herbs in good quality and i started taking them for a month and i was good so i do believe god's medicine is this natural stuff like you're saying it is the way but it's being used improperly and believing in it as the source of power because even during witchcraft like i was getting into that so that's why i told jeff i have to be very careful because i've separated from that yeah and then realized that god is the only healer so if he doesn't want me using these things you know and then there's also like well well and i've been guilty of not doing it every time but i should be each time i'm
57:28 preparing especially because i have psoriasis i make my own salves which it is healing slowly i didn't get here overnight right it's a lot of bad diet um just different things but he could heal me like that if he chose to there's a learning process i think that he's teaching me because of my diet that it's diet it's exercise it's the herbs but don't trust that's right that's the most in one thing that's the most dangerous part of a cult or pagan witchcraft whatever you're into is that you're putting your faith into something or some place or some ritual and anything yeah but not god yes right so i started um researching and what what did i want to do and i started with you know the first um couple but uh the bright uh bridget and freya because there was bridget had some healing things and i can't quite remember i think freya was some healing stuff there too she's even been canonized yes saint bridget yeah that's right so yeah then um i i wanted i wanted to make myself happy i mean i was so i just dug a little deeper and i learned about this um deity named lilith and i thought oh okay like she i identify with her a lot more um i was hyper sexualized at that time um just a lot of her qualities i was like that's that's me and i think this is the route i need to go but as i got into that it was a very dark side and and i actually believe lilith her so it she is just satan in a female form is what i very strongly believe and um so she was actually um when we would do when i would do my monthly um things or whatever i would do it was um i remember pricking my fingers and doing a blood offering because that was a requirement like you want to work with me i want an offering i want to work with you i want to work with you i want to work with you i want your blood you wanted it every month yeah or anytime i did anything with her anytime i worked with her and he's does revolve around the moon doing your rituals around the moon activity yes activity i guess the the full moon it was the strongest because full moon and new moon there was some some some strong activity that was born with transformation was more the new moon was was uh about rebirth that sort of thing yeah and if you are like wanting to complete like things or to make things finalize like things that was your full moon ritual things okay and um but you could do little things like in between the months say somebody needed healing or something but it's like um kind of give and take you want some help but i need something here so sorry i hope i didn't cut you off that's okay but um my question was how do you know what an entity wants do they all require some kind of blood i don't think that they i mean i don't think they do and it was just um i didn't hear an audible voice it was kind of like you know the voice in your head and you're kind of like back and forth like trying to is this me is this this deity i'll be like well it's not me because i don't want to prick my finger like it hurts when you do that and i would be like why do you why do you need my blood and the only thing i could get from it was like it was the there was power in the blood isn't that funny now that just clicked in my head yeah that just clicked there's power in the blood so in other words it uses blood my blood the goddess yeah and it's that false it's that counterfeit the counterfeit of that just clicked the whole sacrificial system to you god knew and blood to cleanse you of sin wow so satan's continuing to do that even though that system is done jesus blood covered us all yeah satan's like i still want blood to cleanse yeah and i'm sure if you would have stayed with it long enough it'd be like you know what that's not enough blood i know you are might have been more than the fingerprint and um so then we had this small period of time where um i don't even know what had got us to do it like we stopped and we tried to get a church for a while and it just seemed like there was too many like demanding rules and things and it just seemed like instead of uplifting i kind of felt like we were
1:02:17 we weren't married yeah we weren't married we had to separate but we're we're skipping over where he wanted to talk about how we got together yeah how did you get together because you've been through uh two husbands and then uh you were getting into which witchcraft and somewhere between there you got you got and it was during the time of of that i was working with lilith so we had met in um in a group facebook facebook group and um at the time we were both single what kind of group yeah it was it was a pagan group okay it was a pagan dating group i think wasn't it a pagan dating group and i was very much into um the whole like oh if you want something you go after it like you envision it you see it you go after it and i was like here's the picture of what i want and my partner and i posted this picture of this male witch and he had his people i'm like his um it's not his real what is it yeah his cloak and i said are there any male witches out there it was like this and he posted a picture and i was like that's him he's mine and i thought that's the one but we didn't get together no we didn't and um so it was actually a relationship for me a relationship for him later before we ever got together but um we were we were constantly being led down um unhealthy relationships it was just a part of that loves that lifestyle and um you know we had both just gotten out of one and we swore we wasn't getting into a relationship we weren't really going to be friends so why don't we just um because i had this post-maestress disorder i had a hard time uh maintaining with life and all that and and she had problems going on and i said well we just get together and support each other yeah i've got two bedrooms we can just pay the bills together and we'll just be friends let's just leave the relationship out and i thought at first i was like oh man that's gonna be hard because i had interest in him before but then i thought no i can i can do that i can respect what she was going to get on the bus and i was going to meet her in louisville kentucky and i had a service dog i had my service dog and my little truck and we went to louisville and uh she didn't show up and they put me on the wrong bus she she contacted me she says i'm i'm in uh where was it pittsburgh i got on a bus in wheeling west virginia early in the morning they don't have a bus station you buy your tickets the day before and you wait at the corner and they used to have a bus station but they didn't anymore so when the bus came i thought this bus is early according to my ticket so i went to the driver and i said excuse me is this the correct bus because i think you're early and he looked at me and he said i'm in louisville kentucky and i said excuse me i'm in louisville and he said yeah so when i get on he's heading to pittsburgh and i knew i was supposed to be going to ohio i said where are you headed and he said pittsburgh i said i'm on the wrong bus you need to stop he's like ma'am i can't stop so i get to pittsburgh and i asked for a refund they would not refund my money i didn't have enough money for another ticket and so send her back to they did they would give me a ride back to the original location for him making a mistake so they took me back to pittsburgh wheeling and jeff's like i'm coming to get you stuck there no nowhere to go i didn't love it i lived in ohio so the motel i was very introverted at this time and thank goodness i have my service dog i said i'm just gonna go over there and get her but it was a big ordeal that that long trip was was uh very challenging and by the time i got there i'm just like forget about this friendship we've been through so much already but but once again uh and i mentioned this to you before uh we started recording but i think that satan had designed for us to be together and uh at the same time i'm thinking he's okay i'm gonna hook you up with this witch and it's gonna be the worst ever and with her i'm gonna hook her up with this deranged druid and their lives are just gonna be horrible ptsd and they always stay inside yes but at the same time i think god was saying oh he thinks he's got something planned but he doesn't know what i know what i had planned was satan means for evil god means for good and we did go through a lot of challenges we did and uh you know we deepened our
1:07:14 our involvement in the in the in the occult as well uh but it got so bad that you know just like all the other unhealthy relationships this was turning into an unhealthy relationship for both of us as well uh neither one of us were were were good for each other we were both selfish yes so selfish you've got to accept me for who i am well you've got to accept me for who i am yeah nobody wanted neither of us we would not give way to the other one just and so eventually we were separated and for several months like six months and she was down in florida with her mom living with her mom during covid when covid first started yeah okay and um i eventually went down there to to get her well i went down there to visit her and when i got down there she decided she was coming home with me the funny thing was though um as before he had come and at the time i was working with the deity um hecate and i wanted to break all bonds with jeff because it was it was very um it was more than emotional like i literally felt like i was being ripped apart because i i really had these intense emotions for jeff like i really felt like i loved him and i couldn't be with him and i felt like i was being ripped apart and almost like i kept making references to my mom like you ever see a snake shed but i think it's very painful i feel like my skin is being ripped like he's my skin and and it's being ripped from me it's like a soul tie yeah so i did this spell to break that exactly is what i did and i did this spell and it was full moon and it's at her trailer park and i'm out back with this little cauldron doing this spell and it's like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like neighbors can see she's like my neighbors are gonna ask questions i'm like i don't care i have to break this i have to end this because i am a wreck we can't do this anymore and i thought it was over and done and so the last part of it was to send that person a message thanking them for what they've been in your life but goodbye and that's what i said to him and his response was am i still welcome in florida and i don't know why and i said yes you are and next thing i know here he's coming to florida and i was like and that was a trying experience he ran out of gas on the turnpike we had to go rescue him take him some gas and so when we got to my mom's he fell to his knees and he said i need you to marry me and you can stay here forever i don't care but i i cannot be separate like we cannot be separated we have to be married and you can live here and i don't care and i don't care and i don't care and i don't care we can live apart but we have to be together in some way i had we need this and i was like what i'm like no i'm going home with you that spell backfired yeah and this being the time of covid it was it was having everybody rethinking you know uh life and and its purpose and all that stuff and uh we were no different you know being in that that in that world that environment uh and ellen g white talks about this too she talks about how the demons even can't agree and they're arguing all the time and i i was seeing that the entities the different entities that that uh we were communicating with they they didn't agree and all the time at war with each other and wow it was just uh amazing some of the stuff that we were seeing how did you guys come to christianity how did you become get back in the church for you yeah well when i was being a druid i thought i was doing good things um like she mentioned you know doing healing things like that and um you know i was doing these rituals um which is kind of like a what they call an out-of-body experience um we were we we called it astral projection yeah and um i would i would do these astral projections uh rituals where i would go all over the world and i was spreading this this energy of peace and love and uh i really i just wanted to see no more wars no more hate no more crime in that you
1:12:10 know and i'm not innocent of any event i just seen where humans in general were just horrible people you know and uh it scared me if i ever had you know uh annihilate the world button in front of me there were probably times that i would have pushed it you know and uh you know took myself out too with it and which is why it's it's uh i'm thankful that you know i'm not the judge that god is the judge but um at the same time i'm seeing a push in the pagan community um from the entities um from everywhere they were pushing toward this um unity the great reason that's love because that's what they were doing in my circles it was the great reset it was for me that's when it helped that i had the history that i had uh as a child and the church and what i remembered and about prophecy in that that uh like all all roads lead to rome yeah and uh that's where i was pushing because um at the same time uh the vatican is being more open to accepting all of these different religions and coexist thing yes we can all get along and um so i was seeing a lot of that happening and the holy spirit you know just was with me and and i remember at one point um because i knew that the entities that i had been spending some time with that i thought that i was close to friends with uh at one with bonded with they didn't love me they didn't care about me at all and you could sense that or yes was there something physical that you noticed about that a lot of things that that led up to to that conclusion um you know i had uh actually attempted uh suicide a couple of times i i shoved scissors in my neck in my throat and a knife in my chest another time both times the doctor said i was just millimeters away from hitting what would have ended me and um you know i was a trained killer in the military i knew exactly where to go and so it's just a miracle that uh you know i'm i'm here right now and um you know it was just a little bit at a time i was being shown i was being shown the characteristics of who i was hanging around with the entities i was hanging around with and a little bit more about how much god really loves us and how much patience he has and he's not this tyrant that i was made out to believe him to be all this time yeah and what i believe too because even in the little bit of christianity that i had been i saw him as this vindictive like ready to zap any little mistake that i made i didn't see a loving god at all not until you know we got into i get into the avenish church and and it's daily i'm learning more about his love and it just amazes me and tell me how that happened how did you guys all of a sudden decide so one day we were um we just had got up and jeff had his back to me and he's like i've got to tell you something and i'm just going to say it and and if you don't agree that's fine you just do what you got to do and i'm like thinking oh great you know you're thinking the worst like what is he about to tell me and we hadn't been married very long so i'm thinking our marriage is over or you know anything it was just going through my mind craziness and um he's like god's been working dealing with my heart and i had busted out laughing because little did he know that for probably a month or more that still small voice had been coming to me every night about you know if you die tonight where will you go do you really believe what you believe and it made me reevaluate what do i what do i believe because i didn't know what i believe do i go to summerlands like a lot of witches do i go somewhere else like where am i going to go i didn't like denounce jesus and i knew he had a place but where was his place in my world like i didn't know where he was and i didn't know where he was and i didn't know where he was and like i didn't know like what did i really believe so he just kept dealing with me a little
1:16:59 bit at a time a little bit time so when jeff said that i bust out laughing he's like oh i think it's so funny and i'm like no god's been dealing with me too he's like okay then it's it's it's over and said and done we're going to church i'm like yep and he's like yep and we both got up and we just took and just the stuff on our altars and we're talking a lot of money but we were like right in the trash and right out the door we went and we're like it's done dumped it in the ohio river right that yeah that quick that quick we were like we're not playing if this is if this is real we're not playing and that very day we started watching 3abn before we even we're like we got to do something right now we got to fill because that's what jeff's like we got to fill it with something else so he's like 3abn amazing facts um we started doing the bible studies they're amazing facts we did one set together and then i branched off and did another one so i did both of them like i was hungry and we were in there we like we threw the stuff out we went to the bookshelves to find the bibles we were like bringing them back in the room it was that quick and god just like he just like started like opening things up and like that whole understanding like stuff was starting to click and i'm like another thing that led us led me to to that conclusion was studying cross cultures of the beliefs and and the pagan oh yeah uh traditions from egyptian you know the the greek the the roman norse all of these stories were almost like the identical storied with different names to entities yep and uh i come to the conclusion that that's that's satan's side of the story of what life is all about or and and where we come from and where he came from and who god is and um i just like the story of the bible better it's i mean the bible has because it shares testimonies from where people come from in a sinful world it has a lot of ugliness in the bible too but it's got a good end and the other stories don't have good endings and what i like about the bible and what i like about what god's showing me specifically because i've been reading through patriarchs and prophets with a couple of other people and i've been reading through ladies he is such a god of love that through all every time israel turned from so many times and we are just like that we turn from him and we uh you know we just run away and we turn away but he's like right there like come back to me if you would just come back to me like i just want you to come back like i love you with an everlasting love like i didn't know that and when and now it's like every day he's showing me that love and he's showing me that love and he's showing me that love and i'm like it overwhelms me sometimes where i'm just like i'll be in the bedroom praying and crying he'll come in honey are you okay i'm like i'm just praying i'm just praying because i'm so thankful that like the literal verse about how he pulls you out of the murk in the mire like that was god pulling me up out of all of this mess and the prodigal son and even though we don't feel like we deserve the best robe here we are getting the best robe it's just amazes me and it's nothing that we've done it's all about him yeah his robes of righteousness right i wish i could see the the story like i guess one day in heaven we'll get to see like from the angels like what was it like what what were you guys orchestrating to impress on both them at the same time to where they're like we're going to church you know yeah like it's amazing that or can you imagine in heaven like when you made that decision where were they up there going finally yeah they're they're watching they don't have the knowledge of the beginning and end like christ he knows everything he's the beginning and the end but the angels they're having to watch all this play out and they're on the edge of their seat like are they gonna receive that witness are they gonna receive that bible study and it's like oh they didn't or oh they did and they rejoice yeah such a cool thought i feel so very blessed too because there's so many that i see and i'm like oh my god i'm so blessed i'm so blessed i'm so blessed i'm so blessed i'm so that when they come to god it's not the same time as their spouse and they really struggle we even got baptized together the same day in the same water he was first and then he helped get me in the water because during that time i have sciatic arthritis too and and i think that was an attack i had a really bad time where i actually got hospitalized for three days and two
1:21:46 weeks in a nursing home i couldn't even walk i had to use a walker then a cane and i i was still settled and i'm still getting better and i'm still getting better and i'm still getting better and i'm baptized on this day we have said it and he helped get me in the water and it was a wonderful experience at first it might have seemed like a pentecostal baptism but that was just because the water was really cold but it sounded like you guys got out and you you got out of druidum you got out of witchcraft and you're back in the church and how are you now spiritually what what we talk about on the show it it rings a bell but some of the things that we talk about on the show things that we were involved in that's the spiritualism and uh you know we we'd even i'd even seen ufos you know and um we didn't even get to talk about any of that but um you know i know the danger that is there and where it leads you into this where you think is a utopia that is far from uh a paradise um you know you look at the the norse their version of like heaven is is basically your war all the time yeah it's it's not paradise um and someone who has post-traumatic stress disorder from being in war you know i i don't find war attractive whatsoever at all you know it's it's not beautiful right in any way and um unfortunately that's that's what satan wants he wants war yeah and he wants to get his army ready and i don't want to be on his side because we know that his side is the losing side what's amazing is you know we all need fellowship we're told not to forsake the assembling and we're not supposed to do this alone and you guys said you don't even have a church within an hour of you so you got to have this discord you get to bring so much to that group because of your past god is using your testimony your past experiences to be able to contribute so much because yeah there might be somebody that says no i saw this chris blitzo guy he said that the ufo was angels or whatever and he said well i was a druid and i experienced it you know so we get the wrong idea when we say when we talk about witnessing uh today we think that witnessing is is about pushing our beliefs on people and witnessing is exactly you're you're being a witness think of it in a court setting and we're being a witness for the character of christ and and what he's done in our lives you know we witnessed what he has done and we should be a witness for what he does every day he should he should have an we should have a new testimony every single day that we can share with people i like that example i never thought that was an example of what we should be doing but i thought about that a witness in court you know if anybody knew the old jeff they can look at you and say this is not the same guy clearly something has changed his life and he says jesus i believe it he's a living witness it's awesome yeah not very long ago was the general conference session and you know with the post-traumatic stress disorder and all that um i wouldn't have left the house there for a long time for anything yeah and uh we didn't go once we went twice two different days there's probably many times that people would have went to the emergency room but i wouldn't go and thankfully i'm still here but um there i was at the general conference session which was probably the biggest thing we've done all kinds of things but that was probably the biggest thing you know i've ever done since then but not just those types of things but my my my character my personality which is not perfect at all it's lacking in so many ways uh god has shown me every day where you know i need to improve in that area and uh so you know i'm a i'm a reborn child i'm a child right now that's who i am you asked who i am now and that's who i am i'm a child and i'm learning yeah that was awesome well with that i wish you guys have any more questions
1:26:32 you have like three and then i'm just i'm sorry so i was going to lead into the question i had before and that is with you guys in druidry and witchcraft how you kind of mentioned this a little bit but what is the hierarchy there does is there a hierarchy and how does that work in druidry um it goes by mainly it goes by um the the local individual uh groves and it's amongst yourselves how you vote in basically to be your leader um and then you know there's there's orders that are completely different and um similar to freemasonry there kind of with orders or just the name is in common i have some suspect suspect about the connection there but uh i don't know for sure okay i can't say that for sure and where were you when i was not a freemason well right but where were you in the lineup of the druid order or so on well i was the main uh druid in charge at our grove okay um i had to submit um an application and right in my backyard in evansville became the first and only official registered grove um associated with the order of bards ovates and druids okay and then that got put on google searches and people started coming and uh uh with the voting system um you basically had your own pagan church yes basically you were like a high priest no there was times when i was learning that i was parts of a coven that you know accepted whatever this was before me so i didn't by the time i came into the picture that was not going on anymore yeah i i associated a lot with some wiccans and even when i had the um the the grove there were a lot of witches and wiccans that came and not so many druids were probably outnumbered by the wiccans and and witches right but um there really wasn't it was just like a vote but who who you wanted to be your leader and a lot of times people just didn't want to put the time and effort into what was involved into hosting and that sort of thing so okay there's there's nothing special about being a leader or anything you don't find yourself to be anybody special above you're all equal you know um kind of like king arthur's round table right and you know we we we form in a circle we cast our our magic circle and it's all equality right okay but you were the host yeah yes so that was that was the i guess the the duty for being the would you call it the high priest of druidry yes uh-huh was that what's called really yeah yeah and you would host the monthly sabbats yeah um okay at least once a month there was a full moon oh yeah and then once a month at least there was a new moon but then there were all the major uh the solar like the equinoxes yeah all right and for you and witchcraft as you decided to be um on your own and self-researching you called it a certain name i know solitary eclectic that means solitary i did not belong to a coven so there was no hierarchy it was just me um eclectic means that you can pick and choose i had no set like i wasn't wicca i had no set um of form of what i did i did choose not to do anything to harm anyone but i did not take that vow okay and there was a couple of times and sadly i will say that i did some things that weren't so nice because people did things not so nice to me and i did allow um a friend to come this was way before joe and um i didn't know how to do it's because i'm not that type of person had to do something like evil back that he kind of did it for me um but he actually called demons when we did the circle
1:31:31 and he began he called specific name demon i remember and i thought what am i getting into because he just called demons to our circle that's like the lesser keys of solomon yeah so i mean and i gave permission yeah i mean so i'm i was guilty of when you say he you mean joe no it was a friend of mine's um boyfriend fiance at the time and he was very deep into the left-handed path which is the darker side and i was leaning toward that i thought i was on this side but the more i got into stuff then i i called myself kind of a gray witch in between but but basically the they say the right hand path is like a white witch but there's no difference witchcraft is witchcraft yeah the left hand path is like a white witch um i don't care if i hurt somebody it's fair game if you hurt me i'm gonna hurt you it's not bad cop okay so when they do a order to the way that they're structured like in a coven or so on do you know how you would explain that very quickly i'm not really even sure because i wasn't okay then i have no clue she liked the lawlessness no i was rebellious i mean i wanted what i want i was very selfish i just wanted my way okay and we had spoken before we got on here about how cloaks or certain things were worn during certain rituals is cosplay and different costumes involved in any of the rituals highly well jewelry was was really big into nature okay so yes um i think we probably still have some pictures even where we got married we even had because we were still in that when we got married we were hand fasted actually that's right hand fasting without that that's their marriage that's the kind of marriage that they call it just holding hands basically you're back yeah and it was a high priestess i guess that she was a witch that married us well the the hand fasting itself is not necessarily pagan um the hand fasting is connected to where there was lack of clergy what you did was you promised yourself to someone and then a year later um you actually had the the wedding ceremony but it's been because it was mostly in in the celtic um areas of the world and places like that that um it was it was adapted by drudgery and and uh wicca and uh so that's the type of but today's hand fastings are usually um the the pagan deities are brought in and they're brought in and they're brought in and they're brought in and they're brought into it so and we picked our own and we just asked her if she would do what we picked and actually i picked it because i didn't want any set i wanted something realistic and i remember part of it was are you going to hurt him i might but are you going to do it intentionally no are you going to try to make things right if you hurt him yes i will those type of vows is what we made to each other knowing speaking forth that we know we're not perfect people and we made vows to because we're imperfect that we would do the best that we would to love each other if we harm each other or say something to hurt each other we would try to make amends as quickly as possible and then of course hand fasting where they were she was wrapping the the ribbons around both of us as she was saying asking us to promise these things i actually have have plans to get remarried and have a in the church yeah christian ceremony where we're actually in ceremony actually promising to god yes yeah that'd be interesting um i'm gonna sneak one last book yeah did you guys ever do any sky clad ceremonies yes okay that's naked ceremonies for anyone that's wondering are you doing rick yes you're only i was very reluctant jeff jeff the closest to nature yes you're only closed by this guy yeah yes and jeff was very i'm more open and it took a while but i'm doing yes man bathing is kind of like uh baptism sort of like for uh drew drew where you're absorbing my goodness do you know a lot about this i know i read too much but then in reality because god made the moon and so there
1:36:11 is some very healthy aspects to the sun and the moon and we have a neighbor lives near us who is a sun worshiper okay and we agree so much even though we're so far apart because he likes to get out there and stocked in the sun it's very it's very healthy yeah and we have a health message that has a lot similar things to talk about that yes so my very last question what does trillith mean to you as a druid specifically trillic trillith trillith it's trillith kind of like lilith but trillith yeah this is like a trick question i want to know what i've never heard this i'm not sure what it's like but i'm not sure what it's that's all i need though okay no um what is that wait no no what does that mean it's usually like stonehenge it's three different sculptures put together as an altar didn't we watch something about that not too long ago because i was like what is that no you did that we covered it recently i was gonna say i've watched something about that yeah that was you yeah because i was like what is that about i've never heard that word before i do think it's interesting you're talking about like this stuff so close because satan just hijacks everything he's a counterfeiter of everything and so sometimes i wonder if we're i don't want to say the wrong thing because it's like if we're too hesitant of things like oh no i can't touch that herb that's that's witchcraft and it's like you're missing out on what god has right right i don't want to lay out in the sun that's what sun worshipers do you know yeah um i think we just have to have discernment yeah discernment and temperance and yeah there's health benefits of walking around barefoot yeah and who you give the glory to unless that's what happened with nebuchadnezzar of course thankfully i think nebuchadnezzar will essentially be in heaven because eventually he stood upright again but what got him on all fours like an animal was standing up on top of the building and saying look what i did right man and not giving the glory to god and no matter if we're taking the credit or we're giving credit to to the sun or some tree or you know some herb or whatever right or even an individual a person yeah yeah because i've wondered about crystals even i'm like god created crystals they look beautiful yeah and that's something that i struggle with because i'm like i like i would like to have a crystal on the shelf because it looks beautiful that's it but that looks totally like the new age or something but it's like really did create this stone you know it's like i don't know you'd be on geode hunting yeah i've heard of it i never do i did that by by a child all the time i always wanted one that it opened perfectly and sealed yeah we had a lot of those we had a lot of that on our altar but you know we had our beliefs and that they did things and and the well the one i don't think we did throw he spent a lot of money on our rose quartz and i think it's a piece of art now like out in the yard somewhere because god like you said we were like god created this like this is a beautiful thing but i don't put any belief into it for any type of thing that can do yeah it was a it was a rough crystal we had several that were carved into certain uh objects or something or a deity or something you know right and you know i connected with the native americans a lot too because um well they're big into nature but also what they called um odoms yeah or spirit guides and i thought that i had a wolf that um followed me everywhere that i went spirit animal yes i heard about those then one point i was gonna make too you said something about this on the skyclad thing or whatever i think satan is trying to see how far how far dedicated are you yeah so it's like oh they're pricking their finger or whatever and they're pricking their finger or whatever and they're i'll give her a little taste of my power whatever but i think the more you give the more you're showing your allegiance to satan and and the watching angels everybody you know the whole heavenly hosts are watching and the more you give the more he can trust you because a cult means secret right you got to keep it all secret you're not allowed to expose everything even like if you get into the illuminati all this stuff or masons and things they have dirt on you you you don't talk we're gonna you know we have blackmail or whatever um because if you don't give a lot then what's going to prevent you from turning to christ and leaving leaving the occult or whatever so i think you know satan's like okay um will you sacrifice
1:41:13 an animal will you go outside naked or whatever you know the more you do you the more he can give you the and and and and presenting things to you because that's one thing i forgot to mention that we had talked about earlier was in the meditative state that i had went to the underworld and spoke with the kate and she had offered like i can give you all this power do you want to make your decision you need to make a decision why did i need to make a decision and gave me time but then that's when jeff had come back and then i found myself where i couldn't do things so i think that was god working in a way to keep me from at least give me time time because he is it's free will we have free will to choose your life doesn't get like just roses no like promised and you look at the stars you know they talk about going to the crossroads and next thing you know um they can play the guitar you know or whatever's in a certain way and it changes their life yeah they become famous yeah they make get lots of money yeah but like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know how many of them are just miserable and i'm very thankful i didn't take that yeah i'm very thankful that like i was questioning still in my mind well it comes with bond bonds bindings and covenants usually that you have to make to the entities that they take parts of you and they will destroy you if you go back on it when you make a deal with the devil like that i think how easy it would be you're allowing them to possess you so i think how easy it is to make your fingers glazed if it's hard you know something just takes over me and i'm like i don't know i don't know i'm managed yeah i don't really say this stuff like black sabbath said there was a fifth member of our band like this spiritual being and we would just come together they said we never had a rehearsal or whatever we'd come together and the song would play wow we'd all okay we're gonna play the song what song here it is and the song would come out wow and they said that their fifth member they always gave credit to this fifth spiritual member that would give them that power yeah i think satan can make something sound like the scariest thing you've ever heard and he can also make something sound very beautiful beautiful yeah most of his stuff though i will say is garbed in pleasure yes and all good things yes that's where the deceit comes in yes i'm done i'm so sorry it took that long you're fantastic no i i got so many good things out of that and there's things i wouldn't have even known to ask so i'm so glad you guys came by the way promote your own channel uh you are from so i'm mikey and my wife aubrey and we have a channel called candid truth and we like to talk about she digs deep into the pagan origins of things you can tell yeah from holidays to olympics to anything and we we really just kind of look at current events that are going on and how it's tying in with bible prophecy we talk about ufos and hollywood and that's why we get to cross on this our channels a lot because we have a lot of similar interest check out candid truth yeah on youtube and thank you guys for coming i do appreciate it man it has been amazing knowing you and in the discord and actually knowing you first and that's who we shared a pizza together yeah we're forever friends later at yeah and and i will say it is true he is super tall and uh even his doors of the house he's had to have super tall doors put in the house yeah it's my father's fault yeah well if you would close us out with prayer uh we'll go in there all right dear heavenly father we just want to thank you so much for this opportunity to get together and we don't want to dwell on the past but we we definitely want to remember how you led us out of there amen yes and we also want to warn people of of the dangers of going to the places we've been yes and lord we just want to thank you so much for being the complete definition of love and patience and being so patient with us when we've given you such a difficult time and uh lord we just want to thank you for the lessons that you've taught us and we thank you for the lessons you continue you continue to teach us on a daily basis and uh lord we just want to ask that you get us ready because we know that a time is coming when we're going to be together and i look forward to that time uh time that we can spend with you time that we can spend with each other with
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