0:00 And my neck starts twisting to the right, so I can't look at the minister anymore. And you're not doing this. I'm pulled this way. No way. I was sitting on a couch. I was waiting for something to happen. I didn't expect my body to jerk outward and be pulled in every direction. You know, left arm goes up and out, right arm goes out, left leg stiff, right stiff. I mean, I stayed on the couch. I didn't fall to the floor or anything. And my neck was being pulled the other way. So I'm here with Michelle, and she's got an amazing story about her testimony. Take it away, Michelle. Hi, Brad. My name is Michelle. I was born a Seventh-day Adventist. My family's from the West Indies, and I grew up in New York City. I've been involved in the Seventh-day Adventist church my entire life. And I fell into deliverance ministry when I was looking for help when going through a challenging time five years ago.
1:16 And came out of deliverance ministry three months later, when I learned from Roger Morneau that that was demon games from his book, Beware of Angels. And since I learned that, I still had one foot in the world and one foot in the church. I didn't understand how serious I needed to be about moving forward. And I experienced, just in the last six months, some more demonic attack. And so I want to tell you what happened. Yeah. Please do. Please do. And is deliverance ministry something that's commonly taught in the Seventh-day Adventist church? Not at all. It's part of the offshoots. So deliverance is what we get when we pray and ask Jesus to send his Holy Spirit to intervene for us, to free us from whatever in our life is oppressing us.
2:13 And deliverance is a true thing. Deliverance ministry. Deliverance ministry takes over the power of Jesus into yourself. And now you are casting out spirits and wielding the power of the Holy Spirit as if it's your own. I see. And really leaving God out of it and only using the Bible as a tool instead of our direction on how to live. The Word of God. Fascinating. Sorry, I'm totally taking you off your script, but I had to ask you that question. So go ahead. Okay, so summer 2017, I experienced very challenging and bad news back to back. It was affecting my home life, my children, and my job. And I was looking for support. I'm the type of person that I go to people I trust and respect for advice and for support and prayer. And I did just that. And I went to my church.
3:11 And pretty much anybody that would listen that could give me some guidance. And I didn't find anybody that had this combination of challenges. People were feeling sorry for me and would offer prayer. I was befriended by a beautiful church family that was actually conducting deliverance in their home after church. And I didn't know what I was walking into. And I figured that, well, if it's Adventist and these are people that are professional, respectable, and friends, I can trust it. And so I just wanted to learn. And I wanted the solution to my problems. So it started with a conversation through an acquaintance, which was their family member, someone I didn't know, but who had helped them with some, they were trying to acquire a huge life change, something that they needed for their life that they were very much wanted to have.
4:11 And it worked for them. So they were sold and were teaching. And trying to deliver their other family members. And so I just asked for prayer. I didn't know what was going on in there. I watched everything and they asked me why I was here, that specific person, the deliverance minister of the group. And I told them what was going on. So I poured out my heart with what was happening and they qualified me as eligible for deliverance. Of course. All right. So you're, you're in someone else's house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're in someone else's home and you are, they're qualifying you saying that you have spirits inside of you. Is that what they said? Not the first day. The first step was to fill out a form. Like you would, if you're going to see a therapist and sharing all this information was giving this person a lot of details that they wouldn't know upon meeting me.
5:08 So now they have all the possible reasons I could have a spirit. And from that conversation, there was a moment where they asked me to do something and it worked and that's when I was sold on deliverance. So I can tell you quickly what happened because I didn't expect this. This is what pulled me in. Okay. So, um, I had to close my eyes and I was told I'm going to see something. I need to tell them what I saw and I follow these directions and I closed my eyes. And I saw two images and I told them what they were. And so that was amazing to me because there was no way for me to see anything when I close my eyes, I was talking to a person.
6:02 I hadn't been looking at a screen. Sometimes you close your eyes, you see lights or something. It was very clear image. So I'm just blown away. I'm like, this is real. There's solutions. I got to talk to my mom about this. Why aren't they teaching this at church? I go to my pastor. My mom tells me, Michelle, these are two worlds. You don't want to get involved with what's going on. Why are they doing it at their house? What, what's going on? I'm thinking my mom doesn't understand. Put her to the side, go to my pastor. I never heard of this. I don't know what it is. I'm shocked. Okay. I need to go back to the people who know, because nobody else knows. And so it's now starts this feeling of. You're special and not just a feeling I'm told. Now you are chosen to break the generational curses of your family.
6:52 You need to get yourself delivered, continue deliverance in yourself, deliver your children, help your family, and then go out and help the world. Okay. So now I have to learn everything I can about this. Cause I want to do a good job. I'm that type of person. I want to do my best and everything I do. Plus. I've been chosen like in the movies, right? You're the one. Okay. So I'm the ones from my family. I have to do this step one, cut off family and friends for 30 days. So you can prepare and get yourself in a space where there's no distractions, no other spirits, no confusion, no one talking you out of this. I had to come up with a clever way to do that because my family would think that something's wrong with me and that I'm involved in something strange.
7:43 So I sent out. A nice letter, just saying, I'm just taking a break from social media. The kids are great. Here's our photos. Everything's all right. I'll check in with you guys at the end of the summer, you know, make it really casual so that no one would think anything's going on. Yeah. Step two, clean up your life. You can't have any, any, um, anything that would be an abomination to God because you don't want the enemy to have anything. So you have to keep your feet clean. It's pretty much sweeping the house clean, like in the Bible, the man who swept this house and put it in order and the spirit left. So you're doing that part. And then three is you got to pray and fast and you have to pray at midnight. You have to pray these specific prayers. Maybe you need to get up and pray at 3am. Cause there's a witching hour from midnight to three and you need to pray against all of the challenges in your life.
8:43 So now. I'm exhausted, but I'm doing this. I'm fasting. I'm praying. I've cut off my support system that I need. And I'm now throwing myself into the world of deliverance ministry. And if you've seen anything on YouTube, it's quite dramatic. That was not the people that I was with. It was not dramatic. It was not a scene of a room full of people. It was not public, and it wasn't loud. So I just want people to know that that is not the way deliverance always looks. This was a very controlled environment. There were times when there were groups of people, but it was all the same family, the family of the deliverance minister whenever we get together, and it was organized. So after church, on Sabbath, go to the home. Do some deliverance. Okay. So I now learn from this minister that it's time for me to get delivered. She scheduled a date. She's traveling in because she doesn't live in this area, and she's traveling to do this for me. So you said minister. Is this your current pastor that you were at at the church? No. This is a family member of the church members that befriended me and that I got close to. So I'm going to do some deliverance. I'm going to do some deliverance.
10:06 This is a family member of the church members that befriended me and that I got close to that is teaching this family deliverance and doing deliverance for the family, and they had seen success. So now I've been pulled in, and I am now the new subject, one of the new subjects. I'm the local one. So they're coming to your town now, right? So this person traveled in to deliver me, and it wasn't any cost to me, but this is not free. I do believe there are charges for people. I've seen a price list, and I believe other deliverance ministers do charge because they have to travel to these locations. So there was no money involved here. Okay. So it's a room, just her and I. I was sitting on the couch. She was sitting on another chair, and it was a very stiff conversation. I'm very bubbly, and I smile a lot, and I'm friendly, and that was not the case. And I thought that maybe this would be a friendship. It never turned into anything warm. It always felt cold to me. So I just figured this is business. Let me just get on with it and follow the directions. Not everybody is this way. But to me, I think there's some arrogance there. I'm this powerful person. I know, and we need to be serious about this.
11:30 Okay. So I'm sitting on the couch, and we start with prayer. After prayer, I was told that the Holy Spirit, which I believe this person believes is talking to them, but I truly believe now they're acting as a medium. So the Holy Spirit is telling them that I treat God like a robot. So I'm surprised. So basically, oh, I've really been messing this up because I don't even have a relationship with God. If I treat him like a robot, that means that there's no gentle exchange, right? Because a robot is not a robot. It's not a relationship. A robot is pretty much like ATM. You put in your order, and you get what you asked for. And so I immediately felt ashamed. So now there's a change in my mood. I believe that accepting that information is allowing, I'm rejecting God in a way. I'm rejecting him as my savior in this conversation because I'm not standing up for myself and saying, no, that's not true. I took it in, and I was like, oh, you know? And so now my mood's down. And there was some repeating after her. I don't remember what I said because in deliverance, there are specific prayers, and there's a lot of the blood of Christ and fiery prayers. That's a very clear part of deliverance. It's always a violent, fiery prayer. There's a lot of power from the Holy Spirit, but it's as if they wield the power of the Holy Spirit as their own.
13:02 Interesting. Okay. So, I repeat whatever I'm supposed to repeat, and I'm waiting for something to happen because I want to be free. I don't want these spirits in me. I was told that I have the spirit of rejection in my life. I have the spirit of Jezebel, which has caused all relationships to fail, including my marriage. I believe they told me that the spirit came in through my divorce. And also the spirit of autism because my child was diagnosed with special needs, and I need to get these out. That was the minimum. Okay. These spirits have names, and I do remember the spirit calling out Leviathan, which is in Job chapter 41, is the only time I've ever heard about Leviathan. And I was told that it's a real difficult spirit. It looks like the Loch Ness Monster, actually, if you look it up, because there's books and artwork that line up with deliverance. So, you need to know what these look like. And I'm thinking, how did I get here that these things live inside of me? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just felt like a failure as a Christian. And it broke me off from my family and the church and my relationship with Jesus changed because I felt like such a loser. How do you not get anywhere being a Christian for so many years? You should, I mean, I'm a deaconess. I am a Sabbath school superintendent. I'm teaching Financial Peace University. Like, none of these things mean that I have an understanding of their Christian faith.
14:35 Okay, fine. So, these are the thoughts in my mind. So, it's just breaking me down inside. And then I start to feel something because I've been waiting to feel something because I want this out today. I don't want this to be hours and days long. And so, I feel my hands being pulled out and stretched to either side of me. And I feel my feet stiffening up. Yeah. And my neck starts twisting to the right. So, I can't look at the minister anymore. And you're not doing this. No way. I was sitting on a couch. I was waiting for something to happen. I didn't expect my body to jerk outward and be pulled in every direction. You know, left arm goes up and out, right arm goes out, left leg stiff, right stiff. I mean, I stayed on the couch. I didn't fall to the floor or anything. And my neck was being pulled the other way. That was the last thing I remembered before the end. Where I heard her calling out Leviathan, saying, come out Leviathan. I don't know what was said after that. So, that's interesting because on this channel, we talk a little bit about how when spiritualism becomes a part of you, if you submit yourself to a hypnotist or to something else that is a spiritual way of doing things, new age, often people say before they start clucking like a chicken or hopping around as the hypnotist tells them to do, they say they don't remember a thing. They completely go blank and they don't have any memories of it. I think that's an interesting indicative of spiritual manifestations that are not necessarily good. I think Marneau even talks about that when he said he saw it during his, and for those that don't know, Marneau was a former occultist that saw some amazing things before his co-worker brought him out of the occultism that he was worshiping. And he says during one of their services that these men would allow themselves to be inhabited by spirits and talk through them to the point where they would be able to say what the spirits are saying. And when they came out of it, they said, how long was I out? In other words, I couldn't remember a thing. So I think that's really interesting that you couldn't remember a thing that happened. Go on. Sorry, I had to insert that.
17:12 Sure. As far as I am concerned from my memory, I remember being there and I remember starting an end. I didn't realize there was a middle until I found the recording that was posted. And so I shared that with you. Yeah. And for those that are sensitive to this, we're going to look at just a few, seconds of this. It's rather long, but you have seen her personality and how bubbly she is right now. It's not the same person, it sounds like. Check this out. Come out of that body now in the name of Jesus. Unravel yourself now and let her go. Yes. The power of the Holy Ghost. The power of the Holy Ghost. Angels are the most high, God, to the right, to the left, in front and behind. Pierce that demon now. Pierce that demon now. Come out of that body. Come out. You shut your demonic mouth and get out of that body now. Disconnect from the inner child now. That's fine. Just disconnect from her.
18:37 Come on out in the name of Jesus. Yes. Go to a dry and desolate place. Go. Yes. Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. Oh, I hear you, Holy Spirit. Anxiety. Spirit of anxiety. Every spirit, causing her to become anxious. Leave that body now. She has the peace of God. She has the joy of God that surpasses all understanding. Come out now. Leave anxiety. Oh, yes. Okay. So you haven't seen this video because it it creeps you out right it doesn't even sound like you from what you've told me right so embarrasses me actually yeah i i was the one that watched the scary movies when i was young and was always into the aliens and the the different shows that used to come on like unsolved mysteries so i was interested but i was so embarrassed to be involved in this that i found the video was posted several months later after i'd already learned the truth so there's no part of me that could could bring myself to watch it they po they posted it without telling you they were gonna post it did they add your name to it well i know that she posts them no she my name is not there and if you'll see the video doesn't have all of me but i know that's the video because i was there um i didn't know when she was going to post it i know that she does post them but it was posted four months after this happened so i had already learned the truth and came out of this by then when i came across the video because part of me getting out of this was purging all my connections so i didn't expect to see the video wow wow wow so so you're at the point where you are uh they're at least pulling on your limbs and legs or something's happening right um and that is over what happens next okay so the session ends and i was directed to continue doing what i've been doing and to continue doing the work to get jezebel out because that was the difficult spirit that she couldn't get out i i believe she does talk to jezebel the jezebel spirit at some point of the video close to the end and so i need to go off and work this out of me so i need to continue the work which is what we do with christianity you get baptized and then you continue the work you read pray study share so i go all in i'm going to make sure that my life stays clean and perfect i'm all perky and i'm like i'm a new person these half of these spirits are gone and we're going to be a new start now i'm also warned get ready because there's going to be attacks just like we teach people who go through baptism like the enemy's going to attack you after sometimes right before the service so be strong have courage have faith in god so everything that happens now i think that's the attack he's trying to get me he's not gonna get me so paranoia number one i'm talking about everything from getting phone calls from people from the past and i'm like oh it's a trap trying to get back into my life you also learn that the enemy spies on you through animals so deer come to my window and stares at me what and i believe that because what i'm taught is that they do things like this animals the spirits can go through the animals and so there's they're staring at me
22:39 well if your neighbors are feeding them deer corn they probably think any human that they see is just gonna feed them but the deer did come up to my window and then i found a white a dead white bird in my backyard and i was told that someone was playing witchcraft on me so now i'm wondering who's the person that could be playing witchcraft on me so now i'm going to even more paranoid and i'm constantly praying and i'm constantly asking god to rid this because there's a little part of me that doesn't a hundred percent agree so as much as i'm following deliverance ministry there's this part of me that's still asking god even mentally you know sometimes you do prayers in your mind just make this clear set this right like my i was going off script from the prayers a bit because there was just some doubt that i couldn't get rid of something's not right or i'm not great at it you know i was just saying that i'm just thinking of what would someone come up to me and say you know you're right there's like one thing and i'm like something's not right or you're really trying to think about what would it be or what would it be like to right and when i'm doing these prayers i feel this black hovering darkness really i'm having these dark evil dreams yes so i would pray even more with my head down because i don't want to turn around and i don't want to see anything in the dark it just destroyed my peace in my home and one of my prayers was always for peace so i didn't have peace what i had was harassment i now have dreams vivid violent dreams that are lining up with the dream interpretations in these these books because they're spiritual warfare books that tell you how to interpret dreams so now i'm getting involved in that oh and then i'd look up the dream and it would be exactly the way the book would tell you what this particular thing means in your dream and so i would tell my mom i have my my spirit of discernment and i have the gift of dreams and so my mom is trying to reach me and i'm not hearing anything because i was also told that my mother is a black witch which means she's operating as an agent of satan without knowing it so my mom not agreeing with me and us not getting along on some things it's just her being an agent of satan so you see you end up cutting out the people you love all right so these dreams are non-stop i mean i'm not getting any sleep i'm tired then there's spiritual paralysis day and night there's whispering in my ear that sounds like garbled jarbled nonsense that i'm trying to ruffle papers i'm sleeping with my bible under the pillow i'm calling out to jesus i'm doing anything for them to go away and it would work but it happened every day it was just torture and this was during the the point where you were praying these prayers of deliverance ministry or this was after you had had that experience this is after i had deliverance and so i need to work to get jezebel out because i was told that's the last one that is being difficult and is stubborn so this is me working harder to get it out so you see there's a focus on works here okay so also i have to deal now with the spirit of autism because as much as i'm working on myself i need to help my son because this was part of the challenges that i was having why i even got to the situation and i got a call saying i had a dream and you need to put your child on medicine and now my family which is very much in the medical industry in different areas we know that some of these drugs are not the solution the side effects are brutal but i trust this person so i said i gotta try well that made things worse really really you think that that you had that your child had the um the spirit i guess i should say the spirit of autism that they could heal him at that time i believed yes at that time i believed it because there were specific prayers for the spirit of autism and i wanted to experience healing for him i wanted to have a life i wanted to have a life like his sister who isn't special needs who has to accommodate everything like it'd be wonderful for things to change even if it was gradual because of course they don't promise you any overnight success just like i need to keep working on the spirit to get it out of me i have to keep doing these prayers and so it's this yelling holy ghost fire see if y'all fire and this holy ghost fire is going to burn up this spirit i mean it's just nonsense is it like a repetitive prayer if they keep saying those words
27:15 over and over again you have to keep yelling fire so you keep yelling fire and so we keep doing that and so he's just like confused and yelling back at us but we think that this is what we have to do so we're doing this all right so all right that's not working so i gotta keep going so now these dreams are actually looking like i've let something in because now these dreams sound and look like exactly what i'm reading about in spiritual warfare because in deliverance ministry you're taught that when you sleep your soul is acting in the spiritual realm it's interacting in the spiritual realm so when i sleep and i'm having these violent dreams of being chased or shot or hidden from the road and no one's gonna save me which actually match what's happening in my life right because i'm being attacked but these are brutal violent attacks this is me operating in my spiritual realm so when you go to sleep your soul is in the spiritual realm interacting with the spirits in your sleep that's what they teach so there's spiritual warfare going on and you've got to fight so now i'm praying more prayers about how to fight in these dreams well that's that's fascinating because because that kind of goes against what um the biblical understanding is as their spirit and the body don't exist separately as a separate entity that can go and float around somewhere and come back to your body as a what they call that uh out of body experience as the new age and ufology talks about huh right and so you are now following spiritualism in a way right because we know a soul is a person not separate from the person okay so i did not know my bible well i had not read and understand to the depths where i had would have realized that i'm being deceived here i'm just taking it in i didn't believe that anyone from the adventist church or anyone that is um in my community could steer me wrong i mean unless you were of another faith i'm not gonna i'm gonna listen to you unless you're from another faith and i know there's things they don't know so i'm taking everything in and believing it to be true i'm going to my mom and i'm talking to her about things and we just cannot agree well now i bring whatever i've got with me to my mom's house because the same night that i go over there and i'm doing these special prayers she has a sleep paralysis experience and she goes oh wow what have you done and i said no mom they're just trying to attack you too they want to get us oh wow okay so i'll move on and tell you where things end okay because i'm not getting any sleep i'm exhausted my mom goes away but she's praying for me she hasn't stopped praying for me she continues to pray for me because she's the only one who knows this i have a cousin who i'm praying for her too and she tells me that her son had a dream that something was attacking him when he woke up the marks were on him and i was like it's happening there too i gotta pray so i said let me pray with you so i'm doing these prayers and again it's always praying the blood of christ and it's just it doesn't sound like a genuine heartfelt conversation with our savior it's such a bossy arrogant praying style and it didn't feel right but now i've been doing it so long it's natural got all these prayers on the wall like war room in the movie worm she's shouting to the spirit i didn't think we should talk to it but okay all right so i'm on a game called word with friends because i can't go out it's not safe out there spirits everywhere and people i've cut off my family and friends i'm playing words with friends i'm home and my children were either with their father or with me but i'm i think um at this time they were
32:03 my son was with his father my daughter was with my mom away and i'm playing words with friends and people can get flirty on words with friends so unless you're playing with another female uh if ever a man starts to play with you it tends to go left and the man that i had been playing with was an adventist because i was telling him how i was feeling because i can tell him he doesn't know me he's not gonna never gonna probably talk to him ever in real life and so this is all messaging because you can message between the game board and i told him about what i'm experiencing and he goes that sounds like what roger moreno talks about and i'm like i know this name because my mom has these books so i run over to my mom's house and i look for books she has from roger moreno i could not find anything except the incredible answers to prayer and more incredible hits to prayer and when you need incredible answer to prayer but i know what this man is talking about is related because my mom told me that roger moreno was experiencing um with the bible being ripped out of his hand so i was like this is some someone who's an adventist who also believes in demons because events aren't talking about this yeah i can't find anything on it so i found the movie that chris lane did on uh amazon i think and i watched it and i was like this is it i ordered the book let's plug that first let's plug that movie what was the name of that movie beware of angels beware of angels yes that was a good one and on the first page of the book beware of angels because i'm watching everything i can on roger more now but if you do have the book or can get a chance to look at the sample on the very first page of chapter one it tells about the family and grants pass that they were involved in a deliverance ministry but i didn't have the book yet wow i didn't know until i got the book later yes so i didn't know anything about the book i'm just watching the movie waiting for something okay so i watched the movie and i i'm hearing these experiences and i'm like okay this is close but still not what i am experiencing but i'm on the right track so i watch every interview that roger more now ever did and those movies those interviews are old they're dated and they're long they're about three hours he does an interview with doug bachelor he does an interview with a couple and the couple asked him directly about deliverance ministry and so i knew i hit gold because roger more now says that their answer is these are demon games so i sent you that clip yeah let's watch that real quick right now so in reality what you're saying is that these these supposed deliverance ministries that are that are dealing directly with the occult and casting demons out of people are not dangerous yeah and dangerous in matthew the seventh chapter the lord says many shall say unto me in that day lord lord have we not prophesied in your name and you didn't name have cast out devils and you named them many wonderful works or miracles and i will preface unto them i never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity and this is this is a strong message that he's giving to somebody some preacher well it's a it's a tremendous destruction of christianity that these mysteries are doing they're doing a great disservice to christ what specifically is the problem with a deliverance ministry a person that is involved in this type of ministry why they communicate with the spirits with them they talk with the spirits and names yeah they have lost that completely on christ the blood of the atonement has washed away from them they think they're doing the work of christ and they're doing the work of the devil because they're tearing people's faith down in pride in christ once they've been told by a preacher if they were told by the the gross rave uh manager down the supermarket that he would demon possess because they have such an affliction it wouldn't it wouldn't destroy the faith in christ but when when a man that says i'm a minister of the gospel stands in a pulpit and he says if you have these certain fears or whatever it is you are undoubtedly possessed by a demon now the person that hits the mind is that what kind of a savior do i have that couldn't keep me from becoming demon possessed the power of suggestion we are told is the greatest force on earth known to maine
36:54 alexander the great that conquered the world he used the power of suggestion he didn't want to use his armies he said i used the armies as the last resort i used the power of suggestion he says so he had his they would tend themselves around the city and they would have speakers that would go and speak every morning and evening to the people that were in the city telling them to to to give up you're not going to come out of this alive and by tearing down the mind to the fact to the possibility that they will survive then negative thoughts come in and the people said let's give in he's going to have us anyway and he history tells us that he won the world not by the sword but by the words that he spake or that his people speak for him so the power of suggestion is the greatest force on earth known to man that's been established by well knowledgeable people and when a minister of the gospel stands up in the pulpit and he says to the people that even though you're a christian you can be demon possessed and you undoubtedly are he destroys faith in the merits of the blood of christ completely when that fate goes down to zero figure you know what can take place then demon spirit can come right in and uh they the preacher will get there and they're going to start praying over this person he's been possessed and talk with the demon and find out the name of the demon and find out where the demon has been doing for centuries and they give all kinds of really interesting insights on the supernatural the spiritists love it what should they do when uh let me bring something to your attention when jesus a number of times in the bible we read that jesus tested out demon spirit other people in this one instance for instance the spirits wanted to decide to talk that he was a son of god and jesus forbid them to talk because they are lying spirits they'll say uh three or four words of truth and ten of lies and you put it all together and people feel you know he's talking about the lord jesus so nicely it's got to be of the lord you see and it's not so in the world of uh spiritual conflict if a person is in a situation where demonic power is evident they are not to even command that spirit to leave in the name of jesus christ what how are they to get rid of them do they kneel down and pray to let the holy spirit do it what do they do you do it you do it by the power of the spirit of god now jesus told the jews that he tested out demons through the power of the holy spirit spirit informed them on that so the holy spirit the power of the holy spirit is what does the cleansing and the getting rid of demons you don't even have to mention get out in the name of jesus and that is a it's a fallacy here to see why it's dangerous that's what it is because the spirit will reply to you and most of the time you get involved with them and you're you're a loser because you become tainted so immediately then if you are confronted with a demonic power the thing you would do is pray and ask the power of the holy spirit to remove that demonic force that's the correct procedure okay i've dealt with people that were demon possessed no question about it in my business of yellow page advertising certain persons that nobody wanted to handle the account this guy's weird one guy says i think he's given possessed he was a baptist so i think this guy's didn't possess well i never handled his account again yeah i go in there and the guy's he's blaspheming and hitting the desk with his fist and he's talking somebody over the phone telling them to go somewhere in a real big hurry and i just start praying for the holy spirit of god through the medicine blood of christ on calvary to do the work which he said he would do and by asking for the blood of christ to be appropriated this man see and that is since we forgive him he probably hasn't done this since 20 years he has no desire to but he's entitled to the freedom and the deliverance that christ gives to us through his selling this precious blood you mentioned two points what's your third point go ahead and review the first two first throw away all literature and all matter of materials that has been related to these either uh deliverance ministries or if you're involved with occultism some form of other don't speak to the spirits ignore them completely and you just ask for the lord by the power of his holy spirit in the medicine of the lord of christ to drive away the spirits now you say where do you get this thing well i have a lot of verses from the bible
41:53 that i could prove it to you from now part four uh part three is early in the morning read about the christian of christ it takes four minutes without having to rush through it matthew's 27th chapter read verses 24-54 it'll take you from pi judgment the pilots judgment hall and bring you to golgotha and there you will see the the son of god expired on the cross and that the earthquake took place and even the roman pagan says truly this was the son of god see and as you read that you visualize it and you're actually there each morning yeah definitely okay and it'll change your life one man phoned me up he says i've been to golgotha every morning now he said from palace judgment hall to golgotha every morning that you told me last year my life has changed i'm not the same person praise the lord he says i got a different view and understanding of the conflict between the force of good and evil i understand more exactly what jesus did for me and he couldn't stop telling how what it had done for his life okay so there you go so roger says this is demon games roger no longer um he's deceased now but he has some amazing amazing testimonies about um what's going on absolutely today we talk about that all all all the time on this channel so yeah thank you for sending me that clip that's the clip that set me free i was in my kitchen i dropped to my knees and i just thank god for the truth because i'm exhausted and i'm not getting anywhere and life isn't getting better but to know that this was a deception it set me free i'm not even upset with the people i'm so ready to get my life in order with jesus right now and to learn his truth that i throw myself into doing what is right which is not far from what i'd already learned from what is right but here's where you can still go down multiple rabbit holes that lead to the same trap so coming out of deliverance and learning that it is a fraud still led me down the path to new age to prophetic words through what we know as false prophets seven mountain mandate and all the media um imagery that is linked to occult behavior so the black and white patterns the oscars so i'm just the information overload that happens to me and universe and universes i don't care seriously if you don't pay attention to me because i think i'm probably the point here all the presents that i have received employees that have helped me through information this this podcast asおお oh my algorythm of how we talk in our own ways has me now in a different um paranoia because now all the magazines are not safe the perfume isn't safe the clothes um i need to get this stuff out of the house but then i felt like that was too extreme over the while after a while because i'm still going to church and the music in church is i faded away from my serious very focused study and got lax over the years so 2022 summer 2022 i get this intense desire to go to vegas because vegas is so exciting i don't gamble i don't drink i've never smoked i don't do any drugs i never have but the entertainment i love entertainment dancing and shows and vegas is so much of that i'm from new york city with broadway shows so this is exciting and i can afford it and i don't need a car you can walk up and down so i'm so excited i'm going to vegas but i'm going to be well behaved because i'm adventist i'm not going to be out at sabbath i'm not going to travel during sabbath hours i'm going to have worship in my room every morning and i get this intense pressure to keep spending money now these shows are hundreds of dollars yeah and i just kept feeling a very strong and intense pressure to go to more shows like i'm booking shows on the way to a show so i'm like i'm gonna have a show every night it is a seven day trip this is expensive yeah and i'm so excited but i know stuff now i know this isn't great i know what this music means but i had put it to the side as i was being extreme wait so how did you get how did you get to to go to vegas well it all started with my first experience to go to vegas when i was 20 years old i won a trip on the radio and i won twice
46:57 and that's what set off this desire to go to vegas and it never changed it was very strong it was the place i wanted to go whenever i got a chance to go on vacation huh and so when you won this um can you talk a little bit about that you told me a little bit about it before it was a fascinating story okay there was a radio channel named z100 that was played top 40 music and i had been listening to that for years and i would hear people call in and win and i just thought it was nonsense because i never thought it was going to happen and i just thought it was nonsense because whenever you call you get a busy signal back when phones people had home phones they made a busy signal so coming back from church one afternoon it was evening hours so we're on our way home we're driving to the store but it was close to sunset or by sunset and they were doing the call for call-in now and you can win to go to get tickets win two tickets to the rock the mic concert and that was 2003 summer 2003 that was a huge win for me and it was a huge win for me and it was a huge win for me and it was a huge event because jay-z who is well known and famous was going to do a co-headline with 50 cent who had just came out and i know of the music everybody knew a couple of 50 cent songs and you knew some of jay-z's songs but i didn't have any of the music and i sure wasn't asking my mom for permission to go to this concert and so i dialed and i was like well how many people are going to be attending it i'm like let's just do it let's dance and say hey let's do this and i was like why are you doing this and i was like well i'm just saying to my family this is such nonsense because listen and it starts touring because i've got my phone on speaker and it's ringing and i'm like this is such nonsense and then they're like congratulations you won what's your name and so i go along i go through it and i'm like oh my gosh this is exciting so my cousin and i go to the concert but these seats are far in the back so far in the back you can't see we got missy elliott genuine were top 40 hip-hop stars. But just being there is exciting. Well, now everyone who wins the two tickets for this Jones Beats concert is now put in a drawing for the grand prize. And if you remember back when you had a regular phone, you knew the beeps. I knew the beeps for my phone. I knew the sound. The DTMF, dual tone modulation frequency. Yes. Okay. So I knew the sound, the pattern. And so I'm listening in the morning because I don't think I'm going to win, but it's exciting to listen. And I hear them dialing my phone number.
49:47 And I answer the phone dancing and singing because that's the type of person I am saying, my phone is ringing. And they're laughing at me and making fun of me because that's what they do on the radio. And they're like, that's how you answer the phone? And I was like, yes, because you dialed my number and I won. And they said, you win the grand prize to go to Vegas to see the concert and you get to bring three friends and you get front row-ish tickets and stay in the hotel for two nights, I think it was, three days, all expenses paid. What happened? Nobody wins. That was the joke that I started when I said, look, this isn't going to work. And not only does it work, but I win twice. So do you think that there was some spiritualism and involved in having you win twice in this? Absolutely. Because I would have never bought this music and they sent me the DVDs, the posters, and all of this paraphernalia. So that you could learn it. Pushing it. I think so because I told my mom and my friends about this and they're all like, we want to come, we want to come. And each one of them backed out one at a time because they're like, my friends aren't letting me go to Vegas. I'm 20 years old. And I'm thinking about that episode on Full House when they're in the casino and the little kid pulls on the stop machine and wins and then they lose all the winnings because they were underage. And I'm like, I'm 20 years old. I don't think I should be in Vegas.
51:22 But they said I won, that I only have to be 18 and I just have to have an adult with me. I don't even think I had to be 18. I just, someone needed to be 18 in the group. so i'm going to share i'm going to share a little testimony here and i want to get right back to your story because i want to hear the rest of it but um when i was learning about i work at a company called little light studios which is separate from strange normal strange normal is my passion passion project this is the channel that we're on right now but um when i heard their message from scotty mayor he was a former he worked in hollywood on a lot of the bigger shows and he he's exposing them now for what is really going on in hollywood it's some amazing wicked stuff and he said he said um i said i have to bring this back to my parents i have to show this to my mom and dad what's really going on in in this thing and how we get to stay away from from the messages that are presented and so during that period of time i had prayed to god i said this is true uh give me time with my parents and over time i was supposed to go and do some bible work in washington and that didn't work out and suddenly i was back at my parents house for about five months and i was distraught i didn't know what i was doing i was like i can't believe i'm back here but then i remembered i had asked god to be back here so i could show my parents something well about the time that happened it just blows my mind about the time that happened just before i got to my house just before i was going to share these dvds i had gotten from scotty my dad calls me and says hey we just won not one but two flat screen televisions what i mean now we can have one in the kitchen and the living room and this is this is not during a time period where flat screen televisions are are normal part of household stuff it was it was a big deal we had a brand new uh television it was enormous my mom's like well you know now that we have a big tv we're gonna have to get that expensive cable so that we can have quality shows on there and they can be high quality and you know you can see all this stuff and i'm going what is going on here there is something spiritual happening not one he doesn't just win one television but two i mean it really makes you wonder it really makes you wonder if um spiritualism can manipulate random drawings and and we know that at least um the spiritualism in general can can kind of manipulate that because in the bible they would ask uh god to help uh decide which disciple would replace judas right and that was they would ask the the good angels ask god himself to hey make sure that when we cast lots that we decide who's going to be the disciple and they would ask the good angels to ask god himself to who's going to be the the one that replaced judas and so spirit the spiritual realm good and bad angels can absolutely manipulate random drawings and so i think that's interesting that you you won both those tickets to vegas anyway i don't want to take out too far away from that rabbit trail continue with your story well i want to add to that that when i was younger and when we lived in new york my mom and my family we didn't play lotto but my mom would get them winning numbers in her mind or it would show up when she was doing something the numbers would show up and she would tell others go play that number go see because people would be doing that and they would win and they'd come back to her and they were like you're so good and it would happen it was happening so much but she ignored it and roger more not talked about that's him choosing the gift where they asked him what gift do you want and he said i want to win money at the race course that's right and he was winning so much that they were like you need to get out of here right yeah they pulled a gun on him that it didn't yes as you see how the enemy works on both sides gives you the gift but then encourages someone to chase you off because you're messing with their business and their money and she ignored it because she knew this is not a good thing she's not gambling herself but it kept happening and roger marno talks about he still had the gift for a little while after he left that world and so i think that the enemy keeps on using something to see if you'll ever bite yeah and if you don't bite it's like all right let it go but yes i agree and so that used to happen and so with me it put a feeling in me to want to go
56:19 back to vegas again because i didn't get the trip i wanted my friends back down i end up having to go with my family i want to go in vegas don't want to be in chathanville he wants to go in green they're in the same place i'm not going nowhere i want to go and they don't care where he is i'm going right here but he thinks he's being free to go right from there guys it's then he comes back you want to go where he is it's best to lose what you've got to do and that's it what happened my family members backed out so we didn't even use all four winning tickets and i'm under 20 so there's a ton of things i can't do and i have to just follow my mom and do what she says and i was like man if i had at least had one other person we could go off and do some of these fun events because i had a list of things i want to do so it's like i got to do this trip over and in 2018 i got the opportunity to go to vegas again to do the trip over and it was fantastic so then again 2022 i get an opportunity and that's where i want to go and it's just it's so as i'm talking to you i remember the feeling it was like as if in the room it was like this um idea that was signaled straight to me and i was agreeing with i was like yeah that sounds good so i do believe that if you let that presence in still listening to music still talking and doing those things it causes a breach and god has had your protection for you and the enemy is probably like what's going on over there i see the angels scattering must mean that i can come in and then they come in and let me tell you that's what changed my life i i went to vegas last summer and i got so sick with c19 that i thought this is it i'm going to die here in this beautiful hotel room in the luxor which is a pyramid because that was this hotel it's like 22 a night wow um and beautiful beautiful and nice and everything is good but and nice people but i'm like this is it this is how i'm gonna go and it was such a brutal case because i had it before i was shocked because i'm like i've been vaccinated how is it this and it hurt so bad that i was constantly praying to god for the energy to get out of here i don't want this to be what happens to you but i do think the enemy attacked me there because i was on his ground and i had been keeping sabbath and having worship in the room and doing everything i thought was right but i didn't belong there i don't know if there are any other adventists out there and when it was time to go it was hard to leave but god gave me the strength to even help me to move my ticket up to leave and my mom had been praying the whole time because i i didn't want her to know because i said she's gonna blame me and say where you weren't wearing a mask or what were you doing and i didn't want to have that conversation so i didn't tell her but she had been praying for me to leave and to not want to go back and if anything i was i was actually feeling intense pressure to not just um come back but plan another trip right then so while i was there i was getting this intense pressure on top of buying more tickets for these shows but to also book another trip and it was so bossy and bullying and i was like what is wrong with me i was talking to myself like michelle you're still here you have three more days and you're going to come back you know so i wanted to do something different and i wanted to walk back home and to stay at home do something special but really i wanted to break that world her morning really was um very different it was nothing like i can't work and have to do anywhere so that maybe because we were sick we couldn't believe what we were saying and you know you know what that means because it's true um in our thoughts we have nothing in common it's just how different we are and if that research ends up affecting or transforming what we know it might flower into him and i said well i'm just excited to see what you're gonna do because i'm still i'm keeping sabbath now i'm living my life right but i'm still listening to music because in vegas the music is blasting everywhere but i'm not feeling comfortable there and i want this trip to be great but it's just not that great so that's why i'm always going to go back i'm like i'll just go back it'll be better the next time like i have to keep going back so i asked god for this before i left and everything was going wrong but my dog that i had to last minute put in a um kennel they were like well they need to get this shot and this shot and i had to hurry scary to do the shot did the shot they call me like two days in the trip and say sick it's a mess i'm like i can't get back i mean why is everything going wrong we're trying to enjoy our vacation i'm sick i have to go to to urgent care in vegas and i had some really kind uber drivers and good experiences but then i saw what vegas looks like when you leave vegas you're going to have to do something else you're going to have to do something else you're going to have to do something else you're going to have to do something the strip it's scary oh yeah it's scary and it was worse than my memory of living in new york so i don't want to be out there and i was like this is not really going well and it's costing me a lot
1:01:02 and so i get diagnosed at c19 i have to stay quarantined right and then i have to get home and so i god gave me energy to get through it and help me get my flight changed and that was good because i got out of there and as soon as i got home the same night is when i saw scotty meyer's interview on just be blessed with alex and my daughter didn't tell me this until the next morning but she watched the little light studio presentation on the joker which is a movie we saw uh one of the last things we saw before the head of him c19 thing and we couldn't go so you see we're still good to movies things like that that i knew my mom said she doesn't do that we shouldn't do it but i didn't have a reason so if i don't have a reason i'm going to keep doing what i think until i have a reason and immediate conviction we're throwing out things get and i still was holding on to like transformers and i heard you mention about transformers so i was like i'm gonna watch transformers but now i'm gonna watch it knowing what it's telling me and i couldn't i couldn't even get past like five minutes and i got rid of everything and then the spiritual attack started happening yeah yeah funny how that works though i know and the the enemy attacks immediately and and but as you're watching that stuff after you know what's going on you're like i can't even watch this anymore i know like oh i can't believe what they're trying to teach me here this is ridiculous it's almost um anyway i'm taking away from your story but don't get me started on that it's hard to watch them well i'm binge watching little light because i need to know everything i can now because i i don't want the enemy in i don't want um any of this and my daughter is preparing to get baptized so we definitely want to clean up our life we had again one foot in the world one foot in church now the church we're attending at this time is very um reverent so there's none of the music that i had heard in my other church so now i don't feel right about keeping this music so that was easy to get rid of so i immediately got rid of the music i immediately got rid of the movies the video games i didn't even know what fortnite was i didn't even know what fortnite was i didn't even know what fortnite was was until i watched the light studios video and i said to myself i was like you've been playing this this is so violent and wrong like we're getting rid of all of it and so i got rid of my things i let her get rid of her things but there was attacks happening and i didn't know what was left in the home so that's when i reached out on the patreon and contacting everyone i could i talked to keith i talked to um i messaged chris I had his email because I remember when he was working on a future movie and I was had been watching to see when he was going to come out with another movie on Roger Morneau so I emailed him I contact Eric Wilson like this is my behavior right get help from people I trust and so this is the community that understands what's happening so I message everyone and someone messages me back on Patreon because I said what else could I need could I do I need to get rid of and they said we're praying for you because I told them I'm having sleep paralysis I'm being attacked and so my community now is growing in a safe community of people who understand and and then I find strange normal because you mentioned it on one of your channels and I was like now I have a safe place because I had been the one that had been watching Unsolved Mysteries and everything about things that bump in the night and so I felt I didn't even know about Discord it took me a while to get to use it but once I got there I just was bursting to be a part of the group so thank you for engaging me there and praise God it's it's been wonderful okay so something's still attacking me though and this again is affecting my sleep so it's not dream there's some dreams but now it's my sleep and I'm talking about something pushing my face down into the pillow oh a dark figure in my room I don't want to turn around so I'm praying and I'm I learn that the naja mourneau and Eric Wilson gave me some guidance through Ellen White some articles that we need to ask the Holy Spirit to deal with this and we need to sing hymns if we can't talk because you know sometimes your mouth is clinched so I would hum and I wasn't afraid but I was absolutely bothered it was affecting my sleep and it turned out someone had shipped me something from Africa which is where some deliverance ministries come from someone had shipped me something from Ghana and it had a symbol on it and when I'd look at the symbol it would talk
1:05:45 God but there was nothing clear and I'm like no we don't need symbols to describe God so this is probably not it and it's being used in the Catholic Church so threw that in the trash but now there's something at the foot of my bed in the night and I said well I guess this is just how it's gonna have to be because I don't know why Jesus hasn't taken care of this yet so this is what I need to stay in line and so be it and my mom's like no not so no we're gonna keep praying about this and my daughter comes in the room and she goes oh I was throwing out stuff and I didn't realize one of my anime pins was still here and she picks it up from the same spot on my dresser where I saw this thing in my dark in the room so I want you to know that all of these things are connected to me learning and leaving this worldly life of thinking I could live one foot in the church and one foot out you have to go all-in go all-in spend your life you have to go all-in go all-in spend your life getting so close to God that you and him are of a friendship and he will do amazing things for you so that was my whole story there's always more things that happen but I just wanted to connect the deliverance days to the recent attack which is how I came to meet you and your team at Little Light Studios and strange normal research group and just be blessed and Stephanie because I just I dove right into the community very good Wow what a story I mean that adds pretty much sums up so about ten years you'd say no it was only summer 2017 that I got involved so it was just five it was actually five years ago to the time that this happened so there were just six months post me leaving that whole situation for good because our home is free from all of that nonsense there's so many good good testimonies and and uh good tidbits of information that you you talked about in there I think there's there's lots we can learn thank you so much Michelle I appreciate it