🚨Catholic & Protestants discuss UFOs on the NEWS & Hollywood Propaganda

0:03 There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so, you know, I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. There are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet. And keep in mind, there are basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe. I mean, you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there. But you've seen this. You've seen the data. Well, no one knows, but I think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else.

1:04 The mission of InSight. The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles. What, I guess, in the vernacular, you call them UFOs. We call them UAPs. You know how this sounds. It sounds nutty, wacky. Look, Bill, I'm not telling you that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you is real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities? So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official. Saying, stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic? Correct. He told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop doing this. I said, OK, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is. He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately?

1:58 And I said, well, sir, I think I know what it says. Where are you going with this? And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. The showings of the angels or the showings of God, always showed up as orbs of light or things like that. And today we see this as we see these as we call them UFOs. A pillar of fire at night and confuse Russian troops. It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving heavenly help? There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship. There was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightning was starting shooting from the sky. And like sparks were going, were like spreading everywhere.

2:54 And then they on the morning, they discovered that the whole the whole machinery was destroyed. The Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs. And among other things, the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns, paralysis and brain damage. The report also says that some people who saw UFOs experience, quote, perceived time suspension. They also saw ghosts and other spirits. In all, that report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files and over 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases, whatever that means. My name is Matthew Roberts. I was a cryptologic technician in the U.S. Navy for 16 years. I found myself watching the footage over and over again, almost obsessively. I I started to have these follow on experiences.

3:53 I started to have these follow on experiences. I started to have these follow on experiences. But the phenomenon that was like the beginning of seeing non-human entities in my room at night because my job was classified and I had access to classified, I was kind of aware this was not a one off event for the Navy. This these things happen frequently, all the time. They happen all the time. Barbara Bethalick. Whitley. Striever. Both of them, before I came across one, they had interviewed people that part of what they experienced was encountering a former live relative. In other words, they were encountering a dead relative on the craft. These entities have the ability to appear in any form. We're now less than 16 minutes away. I was involved with occult practices.

5:03 For almost a full decade and after my conversion, if you will, I felt I was in the kitchen by myself and I felt it come up next to me and I said out loud, I said, God, whatever this is that's been posing as grandma for the past seven years in Jesus's name, get it away from me and never let it come back. And it hasn't been back since. What do you think that was just a hallucination or a to be perfectly honest, a demon? Yeah, that's my understanding. Of ghosts, any, anything of that kind of sort. You don't believe in ghosts? I don't. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders. And Jesus warns in the gospel of Luke, and it's repeated in the book of Acts chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens. And a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy.

6:05 So we need to know what the. Truth is what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days and define what that acronym is unidentified aerial phenomenon. Okay. And so the government has had, and this has been in the news very recently, have had lots of trouble with this. I, in my own time, was studying this stuff at the same time in California, and so both of us with separately without communicating, we're studying this and going, wow, there is something going on here. Right. This is out. It's in Congress and they're discussing this right now. This isn't conspiracy. Sure. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. What's going on here? Absolutely. Now, I saw that I saw the little documentary you guys put together like that. It's very eye opening. The belief in UFOs is now a new global belief system.

6:56 It's different than a religion, but it's religious like what they're seeing in the sky today is what they believe to be like advanced technology. Whereas a thousand years ago, they would think maybe that's an angel or maybe that's a demon. Today, they look up and they say, well, that's a UFO. When a person has an experience, say they see a UFO, they're different afterwards. I know this sounds really strange, but the relationship to the cosmos changed for these people almost like a religious conversion experience. It changes their worldview. It changes the way they work. It changes their relationships to people. It fundamentally, completely changes them. And it messes with their concept of who we are in relation to the universe. My name is Tom DeLonge.

7:52 Most people know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called Blink 182. I started a company called To The Stars that eventually became To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. We are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma. When people start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon, the term, the occult in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon. And that's part of what makes it more complex than just little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats. And mind you, as we'll talk about this in a little bit, it's not all coming from me. It's coming from other people of the highest places. There is a very, very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions and the UFO phenomenon. And what you have is something that doesn't like man, period. And something that feels either jealous of or has some kind of plan for what man is to be. We've passed the 11 minute mark. Now T minus 10 minutes, 54 seconds on our countdown. But what they're saying to us now, is it's going to affect Christian belief. There is a professor for the Pope's University in Rome. And he is a very highly respected intellectual. His last name is Tanzaniti. And he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon, not right in the beginning, we won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning. But there is a paper that says that in the beginning, the Bible was not a book of scripture. It was a book of Scripture. And we've got a big, big pie in this. That it is information coming from another world. And once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the Pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently, that cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. This is documented evidence. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. Then terrorists would be identified. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies. And the next enemy was asteroids. And the funniest one of all was against what he called alien.

10:52 And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is a lie. Are there other religions, I'm curious, David, that you know of in all the research that you've done that are more open to the idea? Yeah, I would say there are, you know, Hindus and Buddhists, you know, Tibetans or whatnot, the idea of extraterrestrial life and things like that. I think they have no problem with that. And UFOs, particularly in Hindu and Buddhist tradition, they have UFOs. UFOs have been flying around for thousands of years, according to them. They call them Vimanas. They have whole worlds about it. And so that's the other thing, say, with the Vatican, too, is that UFO sightings have been going on for thousands of years. Mormons as well believe in extraterrestrial life. And I mean, they are also a religion that wouldn't have any problems with that. I think a lot of, you know, modern day religions don't have a problem with life on other planets. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth? The truth and nothing but the truth. So help you God. You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S. government is saying publicly, we are not alone.

12:34 We're definitely not alone. Absolutely, the data points empirically that we're not alone. The inspector general made a determination about the credibility of your complaint. They found after interviewing myself, and the subjects, and other subjects that I'm not even cognizant on who they were, they found my complaint urgent and credible for the intelligence committees. Do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials? Something I can't discuss in a public setting. Have human beings been hurt or killed by a non-human intelligence? While I can't get into the specifics, because that would reveal a certain U.S. classified operations, I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that. So let me be very clear about this.

13:33 You're saying that the Catholic Church, the Vatican, they know about the existence of non-human intelligence on this planet? Certainly. I would couch it as non-human intelligence, you know, NHI, like we would like to say in our language. Why do you say that? Why do you say NHI? I don't want to necessarily denote origin. I don't think we have all the data to say, oh, they're coming from a certain location. Who in the government either, what agency, sub-agency, what contractors, who should be called into the next hearing about UAPs, either in a public setting or even in a private setting? And you probably can't name names, but what agencies or organizations, contractors, et cetera, do we need to call in to get these questions answered, whether it's about funding, what programs are happening and what's out there? I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those.

14:29 And how soon can we get that list? I'm happy to provide that to you after the hearing. I think that, I think they are very real, but I think what is your idea of reality? That's the question. You see that the DOD and NASA, even, they're all hiring. They're hiring physicists to work on this UFO issue. And that's not where the truth of this lies. This lies more within the realm of the humanities, within the realm of psychology, philosophy, religious studies. That's where you're going to find the truth of this. But I don't think these are people from another planet. I still think these are what people called angels. I think they're messengers. I'm dying to know what they've got to say.

15:28 We're now passing the four minute, 30 second mark in the countdown. Still go at this time. So in reality, Roger, you were chosen by high powered demon spirits to be a part of their human special privileged group. He says we are the elite. We know the real truth about the master and his angels. And the priest. He told us, could I have a little bit more of your time? I want to tell you something very fascinating. He says the grand plan for harvesting the multitudes of the Earth into his cause just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil. And he said it's going to be done in a unique manner. This grand plan, he says, is going to take people. People are going to eat the stuff because he says spirits, demon spirits will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants on the planet Earth of the impending destruction of the planet, unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it.

16:29 It was a big thing that was coming up. One of the major deceptions of the last days. Welcome. Welcome, everybody. This is going to be a neat episode. We're talking a little bit about what's happening in the news as usual, but lots of stuff is happening in the news and also the news. At least the researchers on the news, they're getting closer and closer. To realizing that this thing really is a religious problem. Stay tuned. We're going to talk all about it coming up very soon. T minus three minutes and counting. T minus three. We are go with all elements of the mission at this time.

18:06 We just passed the two minute mark in the countdown. T minus one minute, 54 seconds and counting. All indications coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are go. Guidance system goes on internal. 17 seconds leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds. T minus 60 seconds and counting. We passed T minus 60. There are mysteries to the universe we were never meant to solve, but who we are and why we are here are not among them. Ignition sequence five, six, five, four, three, two, one.

20:10 Welcome back to Strange Normal. My name is Bradley. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what is going on. And there is a lot going on. So make sure you hit that subscribe button. Hit that bell icon so you notified when things like this happen. Hey, we have a lot happening right now. And not only in the news world, but also in the entertainment world. So something big is on the horizon this year. And I can tell because lots and lots and lots of media is being drawn up about this right now. And we're here to keep you up to date on what is happening from the angle of Scripture, because that's primarily what is truth and what we believe is truth. So check this out. Well, you know, I want to get right into it, but let me introduce our guest first. Nathan, you haven't been on here before. I'm glad to see you. How are you tonight? I'm going to introduce someone else that's not present physically, but how are you?

21:07 I'm well. I'm well, thank you. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be here. With my second, who is Matthew. Matthew, can you hear us? Yes, yes, I'm here. I guess you are physical. I like your new intro. Not I'm not visible, but I like your new intro for me because it's always like it's a mystery. Like I've got somebody here, somebody. You just can't see him. Let's find out who it is. Yeah, it's me. It's just me, everyone. But I'm happy to be here tonight. So everyone's been asking, and I've physically, I guess I can say it literally now. I had people come up to me and ask me, where is Matthew? Why can't he show his face?

21:55 Is he in the witness protection program? What's going on? Can you tell us a little bit about what's going on? Or is that still a secret? No, it's just a camera thing and waiting to get the nice camera. And my wife bought me and we don't need to buy another one. We don't need to do anything. Crazy. I do have like a cheap one that's in a box somewhere. And I kind of looked around. I, you know, I really I could get down and really dig and I might be able to find it. And we could have a nice pixelated version of me. The original version for all of us longtime viewers. The camera I had at the very beginning. It's like a $20 Logitech webcam. I could maybe find that one and we can have a good time with it. But yeah, no, just just waiting on it.

22:44 My nice camera. That's all. Okay. Very good. Very good. And Nathan, this is your first time here. Can you tell us a little bit about you? And like, where are you from? What do you do? Little bit about your background. So we know that how you're answering questions. I don't know. Just anything you want to say. Sure. So I'm currently in Rome, New York. When I first got the assignment some part of the military, you know, it's always like, oh, hey, when everyone hears about it, they say you're going to Rome and I say, yeah, not not Rome, Italy. But I've been enjoying it here. You know, they call it the they call it the upstate of New York. And I'm originally from Pennsylvania. Raised in the coal region, which is where there's not a whole lot of high expectations. Everyone choose tobacco.

23:34 Everyone works in the coal mines and you know, they hope for the best for the next generation. But apart from that, I've been in the military for. About 14 years or so. And because of that, I have to I have to use my my typical disclaimers. Any opinion that I share is not the opinion of the Air Force, nor is it the opinion of the Department of Defense. And because of my work specifically, I have to say that none of my opinions are also a part of the intelligence community at large either. There is no understood. I completely understand that. And we won't take it as that. And but it is. It is very good to have you on the program as another voice. Another opinion on what is happening here. And maybe we can get some more factual information from the Bible as well.

24:26 As we continue on and review some of the stuff that's happened this week. As we always try to try to do that very good. So I have both of you on here Matthew and Nathan and we're going to jump right into it. First thing I want to do is I want to get into something that has come out of the woodwork. This. This week recently. A lot of people have been posting different. Different celebrities that have come out about this UFO thing. One of them really surprised me. It was part. It was a musician. That was a part of my generation growing up. Fred Durst of Limp Bizkit. He has said something very fascinating, but I'm going to go through several people. He's going to be first on the list. Fred Durst Robbie Williams, who is a 90 through 95.

25:14 Winner of many or 18 British Awards. He's been saying that they've they've come to him. They meaning demonic entities extraterrestrials. He's calling them have have have said that they want him to be their spokesperson. Apparently today at least in our generation. This is the time when all these things come out and they say hey by the way, we want you and we want you we want you we want you somebody tell us about us and tell everyone about us. Because that's what we've been seeing all these celebrities have recently been saying on top of that. Nick Joe Joe s Demi Lovato. We already know about Nicole. This is those 10 years. You try to say Nick Jonas Jonas Jonas. Yeah, the Jonas Brothers. Oh, I don't know and I've been a pretty popular music musical act.

26:06 Some of them have been pretty just clearing it up for yeah, you know, I don't know half these people so I've just heard of them and I jumped into it. I know Fred Durst and Demi Lovato maybe some others. There's a anyway, I'll just play the clip. This is just a collage of different things that people have said recently that I found the internet and that people are passing around right now right this week and then we'll get into the intro about the meat of the program watch this. Let me see if I can pull up my my b-roll here. Here we go. And play I don't have it. Meanwhile, I had all my b-roll that I should have done before the show. Do you have any comments Matthew? I'm going to toss it to you just for a moment just before the show. We were chatting a little bit about the just some Eclipse talk just me and how things are kind of crazy over here.

27:04 I don't know anybody else if you're in the path of totality or not. I am and I've noticed some branding and some signage that's popped up and various businesses. Just promoting the Eclipse. I thought it was kind of weird anybody who was in that that one several years back on the West Coast. It was there was there like that type of advertising. I wonder you got to let me know in the live chat or in a comment below because now it's just it's it's weird. It is it's a weird thing. It is it is all this Airbnb is all stacked up right now and everyone's claiming it's going to be even I think Dairy Queen. I saw a meme just the other day. I'm not sure. If it was real or not, but it said it said it's the it's the Eclipse not the apocalypse. That that was pretty clever. But anyways, I think it's very interesting.

27:58 We actually did a whole show about the Eclipse. And so I think it's it's fascinating to to dig into that more if you want to watch that go for it. But here's the b-roll. I have it have it now and I'm going to roll straight into that watch this. It's super important that you do not believe all this bullshit. They're feeding us. Okay, that's all this fear-mongering bullshit. It's up to us to seek the truth, man. It's going to happen soon. There's going to be a revolution. Better believe it. What? Imagine a world where pop stars are chosen as extraterrestrial ambassadors. British pop star Robbie Williams has recently stirred the public's curiosity with his.

28:55 Names of extraterrestrial encounters asserting that aliens are selecting him as their messenger. All right. Now here's the actual clip of that. I've seen a few strange things. I've seen it. I've experienced phenomena that I can't explain. Seriously. Yeah. Here in America. Yeah, a few things here in America and a few things back at home and it's intriguing and it's powerful. So you believe in the concept of UFOs. I mean in the mysteriousness. I mean in the. Mysteriousness, whatever they are. I don't know, but I've seen one, you know, I've seen one right above me. And if I got up, if I got a tennis ball out, I could have hit it with a tennis ball. And then hang on. Let's just for the record. We'll get this on tape.

29:42 No substance was involved. No substance was involved. No, no substance was involved at all. You sure it wasn't somebody from take that trying to beam you up. Tell you what that Howard's got some incredible technology if he has. Williams recounted one encounter stating that he once saw a UFO so close that it seemed he could have hit it with a tennis ball. Another eerie incident occurred while he was writing the song Arizona, which delves into themes of alien contact. A gold ball of light appeared in the studio adding an otherworldly element to the creative process. Williams speculated. I sometimes think am I supposed to see this so I can talk about it. Hmm. What if Robbie is indeed? The chosen one and if so, what message is he meant to deliver? Only time will reveal the answers. Demi Lovato. You are friends with Demi Lovato. You work with Demi Lovato. She she's been on the show.

30:37 She's absolutely lovely. She has some ideas about thing aliens very much believes in that. Yeah, we've she and I have talked about this a lot and do now when you talk do you try to disabuse her of these ideas? Are you totally on board? I am on board. You are on when I was 14. Maybe I was in my backyard playing basketball with some friends and looked up in the sky and there was three flying saucers. Really? This is Hollywood and everyone's like it's a movie movie set. I was convinced it was real and I looked up online and there was three identical sightings in other states and so I'm a firm believer in aliens. Do you think aliens are real? I know that they're real. Gotcha. This isn't a thing. No, this isn't a thing. How how self-centered would we be as humans to believe that we are the only living people things in the universe? All right. So that's that's it. That's really interesting.

31:27 Well, I'm going to go back. I see some of the comments in the in the chat saying who are these people again? This is interesting. This is the first one was Fred Durst. He said something is coming and he's sure of it. You know, I get to get it if you're going to make a statement like that. You got to you got to wonder where they getting that from if they just making it up. Did they have a dream that did something come to them? You know, what is happening here? Robbie Williams from take that in some old 90s to 95. A band. I think that's what I'm read online. And he's a British artist and he's he's he said he's had glowing orbs appear to him and stuff. And this is a very common thing that we've seen in the occult. The bloodsos had this happen to them. We've gone over a whole whole episode in the bloodsos thing that happened to them.

32:14 Very interesting tale and Nick Jones or Jonas. I was a young guy Nick and I K Demi Lovato. Obviously. She's had a lot of this stuff. And Nicole from an old show called Jersey Shore. She's done a couple other things too, but that was about 10 years ago. But and there's more there's more than just this but people are pulling those out and saying look at all these people. They've all had some strange things that have happened to them. What's up with that? And I find it fascinating because Roger Morneau talks about that. He says that the at the end a lot of people will have these things come to them and they'll because they'll be prominent figures. They'll be wanting to push this message. Out. So it adds more credibility to what Roger Morneau was saying as well. And anyway, that's what I thought before we get into the meat of the program.

33:05 You guys have any any thoughts on this? I'll go to I'll go to Nathan first. If you have anything you can go ahead and share it. Don't feel like you have to but any thoughts? Sure. Yeah, I noticed that he had a he had a lightning bolt necklace that has a it was capped with a crescent moon. Huh? And you know, I'm a big believer that that symbols are their own language. And I think I'm not the only one who said like after the Tower of Babel, you know, they had there had to be a universal language established so that people who are, you know, away from God would recognize each other and symbols was symbols became the thing, you know, but that's just that's just some speculation for my own studies into the into the occult. But also the concept of ideas. Where do the ideas come from? Who's the inspirational source behind the ideas? There are books written about ideas not belonging to us, but our ideas are something in themselves trying to manifest through a person.

34:11 Namely a book called a big magic where the author said she didn't want to produce a novel. And so she she worked on something else and then a few years later someone else produced the same novel that she was going to produce. And then that that led to speculation like, okay, maybe there's something to this idea bit. Maybe the source of inspiration is one source and it's willing to work through multiple people. Hmm. I see where that's going. That is interesting. Wow. And so the obviously I'm going to bring this back and talk a little bit about the spirituality behind it because there are entities. That we can't see that are controlling things. They it's a friend of mine from a long time ago when I've been living back in California. He he and I used to go to a Bible study together and he always said, you know, we he was the pawn in God's kingdom.

35:14 And so it was always this idea of a chess game being played and we are essentially the the pieces on the board. We think and I truly do believe. We have full power of choice. We can decide our life's destiny, but ultimately there's a lot of control that God is preventing Satan from having over us because just as you can see by manipulating the media itself, it manipulates masses of people and imagine if he could force himself upon you and God wasn't saying no, no, they have to be. They have to be able to choose right and wrong amazing because you're exactly right. They can say good both good and evil can say hey good. We want to present this message. If you don't present it, we're going to go to someone else and that's happened before and then the you also is Herod were evil has come up to people and said we have a message to push and if you're not going to push this we're going to go somewhere else and find someone who does. I think it even happened to more. No, he said we want to make you, you know, very wealthy. We want to make you all the head have all these things. All you have to do is come and be one of our ponds.

36:39 Basically you will come worship us and come devote your life to us. It's all about worship. They all want worship. And so and then they they work through you. There's a funny lyrics to a song. It goes goes in my head from a long time ago. It says you think that you're in control. Ha ha ha bless your soul. And every every song that's written nowadays. I wonder if if it's necessarily written by the artist themselves or something they've dreamt or it came into their head. Then it goes on and says I think you're crazy. I think you're crazy possibly sure someone else knows that song too, but but it's it makes me wonder. Wow. We think we are in control. We do have a power choice, but there's a lot of influence that happens outside of our reality.

37:33 And I think that's that's fascinating. You made me go on a rabbit trail. That's that's a fascinating topic though for sure. Yeah, sorry about that. No, no, no, that's that's fascinating. Matthew. What do you think? Do you have any any comments on it? Yeah, the song you're thinking of is crazy by Gnarls Barkley. Just in case. In case anybody wants to know that's a little bit of a throwback 2006. I believe look at you was a very popular back in the back in the day. I think that these people who are the celebrity icons that come out and again for the camera. Yes, they're ultimately being used to promote this agenda and it's because of the position there and because of the influence they hold the you never know. If you can get the physicists talking about it, you know people value their opinion and they say oh yeah, definitely more to this question and you know, there's something there if you can get the investigative journalists to come out and say, you know, it's not like what we're being told but then if you can get these celebrity icons, you know, there's just so many different people who value the opinions of different people and Satan understands that his minions understand that so they have to get the message out and disseminate.

38:54 Made it through as many different channels as they possibly can. That being said the relationship with celebrities and UFOs that goes back quite a bit. I know that Elvis Presley there's a story about him where one of his very close friends had a little testimony about how they were outside and there was a light that came and it was really low to the ground and Elvis was like, yeah, they're here for me and he looked around and Elvis had disappeared and then Elvis reappeared and he was just like, yeah, everything's all right. Don't worry. I was just their friends of mine or whatever. It was really weird. What? I have never heard this before. Oh, yeah, for sure. You could you can look it up. Actually, it's funny. I saw it on I think it was Good Fight Ministries. They you know, they do their whole they sold their souls for rock and roll really great. Well researched documentary on just all of these different music icons who have occult affiliations. And that's like one of the stories about Elvis that just kind of slips in. To which they did. So obviously they're coming at it from an angle of this is a foul spirit.

40:00 That's coming to visit Elvis. But modern-day, I mean people would look at that and they just say, yeah, that was a UFO and these special non-human intelligences that are beyond our realm. You know, they're like multi-dimensional beings came and visited Elvis because why not? You know, everybody wants to rub elbows with these these very popular people, but that's essentially what it is. You know that Satan wants to achieve these goals and they are very useful as you're saying pawns to get it done. The difference between God and Satan is that God is he wants the permission. He wants you to actually pray and reach out to him and say Lord use me to advance your goals. I want to serve your will and Satan doesn't care. You know, he doesn't totally in the dark. And all you're going to do is retort.

40:53 Tweet the latest thing that one of these celebrities saw he doesn't he doesn't care. It's not about your consent. It's about his will dominating you and subjecting you which is funny because his will falls so short of God's will which is absolute. God has already said in the Bible that when he says something his word stands and that's it. You know, we've talked about on this channel how he can't lie and it's it's beyond even. Yes, it's not in God's nature to be deceitful. But when he says something it is he is the creative force. So if he said, you know, the sky is purple that sky is turning purple. It's not a matter of whether it is or isn't it. It will be and it will stand fast. So that's the good news for us as Christians as we have this relationship with God and we have a community of believers.

41:46 We can all get together collectively ask that is will be done but individually to in our own walks, you know be a friend to. God we have friend of Jesus and ask. Hey, whatever it is today that you want me to do. I would like to be the servant to do that thing for you. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, we've got we've got an interesting program. I don't want to spend any more time. I guess people have already joined that wanted to join. So I'm going to run right into it, but I want to remind everyone to hit that like button because there is a correlation between how many people actually start and get in here live if you've actually hit that like button on the YouTube player itself. That little thumbs up like button. Something does happen. It's it's not magical. It's very logical that more people interact more people that touch that thing. The more this is sent out to people that wouldn't actually see it. So if we're at about 117 right now, or I'm sorry, that's how many viewers and we only have a 38 likes.

42:42 So if we could get that to go up a little bit and that would be fantastic. But let's get into the meat of the program here. This is a this is the interesting part. But I want to show us one more thing here. We haven't done this for a while. There we go. That's what I wanted to show you. This is the the map. This is kind of fun. If you go to the live chat right now, there's a pin comment that has this link in it. You can add yourself if you're a viewer. This is the viewer map subscriber map. So you can kind of see who's around here. This is really neat to me because it kind of shows that this is a global a global broadcast. We are going all the way across the look. Someone's over here in Vietnam in the Malaysia over here in down under in American Samoa, Hawaii. This is really neat really neat stuff.

43:38 So if you don't see your spot here, or if you you can put yourself out on here as anonymous if you want and he doesn't matter, but kind of neat to add yourself and just to see if there's anybody in your area that is also watching at a church. Nearby or maybe they're not near one and maybe you can go say hi. Anyway, kind of neat something to do and to visualize or who all is watching and this is only this is less than 10% of the people that are watching a video right now. So I'll put this in the comments. It's already in the the live chat comments and you can check it. Check it out. Check out my melody. What don't know what's that was all about? You're in a musical mood tonight. These are all those musicians as they got to you man. It's Fred Durst. I don't know. I maybe I listen to the too much that in high school, but all right, let's let's see here.

44:34 Let me open up the b-roll for tonight. We're gonna get into this first one. This is going to introduce us Ross Colhart who is we've talked about before. I try to get him on the program. He doesn't want to have anything to do with talking about this from a biblical perspective, I guess. Unless he can control the narrative. This is interesting because we have reached out to John the Ross Colhart and we've reached out as a cult as a collective subscriber base out to Burchett who was one of the the oh help me. What is it? What is it with his his is a congressman congressman? Yes, what I was looking for. And so he he answers some questions here with a priest or a scholar in the Catholic Church about UFOs and Ross Colhart is the one guiding the conversation fascinating that they're all reading the Bible and this is on the news.

45:34 This is worthy of talking about and in fact, I a lot of this I agreed with you. I want to invite everyone anyone to go watch the full 45 minutes. I'll put it in the show notes and in the comment but because what's fascinating about this is although a lot of its agreeable, the one thing that's really pressed hard in several of the answers is talking about the idea of an immortal soul. So I truly in this I've said this over and over again. We're going to see that this thing is presented from both sides. Yeah, this thing is good. Yeah, this thing is bad and everyone's going to be arguing about these two tribal ideas when the real problem will be they want worship. They will present themselves as fallen as beings that have well, not beings they will present themselves as your dead mother or something like that your dead father your dead uncle and come to you and tell you to do some terrible.

46:38 So anyway, let's get into what he's saying. Let's first look at the intro about these guys and see who they are. I've kind of introduced them already. But let's let me show you what's going on here. Watch this this week. We're looking at the possible connection between religious beliefs Christianity and other religions and the notion of an extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence and joining us this week. I'm very honored to have congressman Tim Burchett who's from Knoxville, Tennessee and he serves on the house oversight and accountability committee. I've had the pleasure of getting to know Tim before and he's one of the more prominent members of what's becoming loosely called the UAP caucus a group of mainly lower house members who are pushing for greater transparency and openness from the US government defense and intelligence community on the subject of non-human intelligence. And I've also got with me today. Dr. Paul Thigpen who's from Savannah, Georgia. He's a retired professor of religious history and historical theology a prolific best-selling author. What is it Paul 58 books or something ridiculous.

47:53 How many have you written? 60 60. I mean that's just an overachiever, but you're now a journalist with a PhD in historical theology and you were once an atheist then you became a Protestant pastor. Then you went into the Catholic Church and you've actually served at quite a high level on the National Advisory Committee for US Catholic bishops. But most interestingly, you've been the author about two years ago of a book with a very provocative title extraterrestrial intelligence and the Catholic faith. Okay. Let's stop it right there just for a second and bring it back this that's the intro to both these guys that they're going to be discussing this today. So essentially this whole program is Roscoe Hart going through the Bible. He's the piece of the leader the presenter of this thing having these two guys as guests and he's not.

48:49 A Christian and he's trying to figure out at least he doesn't profess to be reading the Bible and stuff. That's how I'm taking it and he goes through and tries to say well, look this was what it says in the Bible. What do you guys think about this? This is what it says in the Bible. What do you guys think about this? And it's good to know some of these things because this is a lot of the arguments that people are going to have about this being a legitimate thing from the biblical text. And if you watch Starfall Starfall movie.com, you, you know that this this is has a lot to do with religion, but it's not the way it's being presented in the media. So let's go into one of these questions that we're going to talk a little bit about that. I enjoyed listening to it's going to talk about the hitchhiker effect. The Air Force thinking they're demonic and CE5 and then we'll open it up for discussion. Watch this.

49:41 Congressman Bouchette. I know that people like for example, Lou Elizondo who's obviously worked inside. The Pentagon and an investigated UAPs UFOs lose spoken publicly about the fact that there is a view among some people in the military, particularly in the US Air Force. Apparently a very strong evangelical position from evangelical Christians in the US Air Force. That is very hostile to the idea of engaging with the subject of UAPs not because it's not real, but because there's a genuine concern that it's demonic that it's evil. Where do you stand on that? Do you agree with Lou? I don't disagree with Lou. He's a friend but I don't I would probably modify that just a little bit. You know, I I think that there is a movement in the UFO community that people are opening themselves to demonic suggestion.

50:40 I know people are doing seances and things to bring these craft down or in or something like that. And to me it it reeks of a of a demonic suggestion. You open yourself up to that. My dad used to say if you open yourself up to that, that's that's when it happens and not not within the UFO movement, but I worry about that because there is a growing community that that's what they do. And they packed and it's a they talk about their spiritualism and things like that. And and you know, it has all the the essence of a classic seance. And I worry about that. I really do. You know, I'm so you're talking there about things like CE5, where there are groups that do meditation and they draw the phenomenon.

51:33 They claim to be engaging with a non-human intelligence. Is that what's concerning you that those kind of so-called CE5 events, which are allegedly attracting the phenomenon engaging with a non-human intelligence, the risk you see as a Christian is that that might be demonic. I do. I do. It's just the power of suggestion. I have a friend and that that does some of this and and I've seen them just gradually drawn in to this type of belief. And I and to me that that's very disturbing. That's very disturbing. And I I hear more. I hear members of Congress talk about the demonic suggestion of this type of activity. So I you know, I try to stay afar. I don't you know, as I've stated many times, my main concern is what are we spending tens of millions of dollars on if they tell me this thing, if it doesn't exist, why don't we keep spending money?

52:29 And then why won't I won't they issue the reports to member of Congress? You know, that's been my major concern with this. And as I've delved into it, I've I've found out about this community and it is a growing community. Now Tim, I just want to pin you down a little bit. So you think it is likely that there are people in the military who are reluctant to engage with the UAP subject because they're genuinely fearful as committed Christians, that this might be engaging in some way with demonic forces. I don't know about in the military. I haven't spoken by specifically in the military that believes that, but I do believe that that is an ongoing phenomena in the UFO community and that they are in fact doing those type of things that I would think would invoke some sort of demonic activity and that's to me is kind of troubling. Okay, let's stop it right there for a second. So Tim Burchett obviously is very concerned about this and I'd like to think that we as a community here on strange normal had some kind of influence on that because we did reach out to him a lot of us and said hey, you got to check out some of the material that we've been producing here for the purpose of educating the rest of the group the world about this topic.

53:49 I don't know. I don't. I don't think we'll know on this side of eternity if we made a difference, but I do know that we are making a difference and I appreciate every single person that helped out to reach out to Tim Burchett to get the information to him and there's much more than than than that and we're going to go over that in just a moment. But do you guys and you don't have to have any any comments or suggestions or opinions on this, but if you have anything to say I'm going to go to you Nathan first. Do you have any any thoughts? Yeah, so it's it's unlikely that I'll ever be without words just because I'm so first first on the subject, but it doesn't surprise me that the Air Force is being brought up just because the Air Force is responsible for Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and and there's been books written about it as being like the the true area 51 and the actual area 51 is sort of just a test a test field. And so when it's when it's also brought up that, uh, congressmen are, you know, they're pushing for disclosure. It's funny because there was a book called after this after disclosure that was written in 2014, which was during a time when when all the you know, the UFO UAP stuff was meant to be kept secret and you weren't really able to ask for it, but the book speculated that there would be a future where people of Congress would be pushed by their constituents to ask for disclosure.

55:23 They would be that I should be begging for it. And so for this book to be like semi-prophetic, which you probably recognize the name Richard M. Dolan. Oh, he was one of the authors on the the book after disclosure. He actually has runs a podcast and I've been perusing his podcast every now and then he he wrote the book. So he and his co-author is a Bryce Zabel. I'm not familiar with the name. I am familiar with the Bryce Zabel runs the podcast with Ross Colhart. So he's the co-host. There we go. Yeah, which is this guy that we're discussing right now. That's leading the discussion. Wow. Full circle. Yeah. Well, then it's very convenient that they predicted that there'd be a future where disclosure would happen and they kind of painted this scenario where this is how the world would maybe react to it.

56:19 I know that they've said many times, even, um, um, who is that guy that the documentarist, but he said this is a group and we're all guiding this the close disclosure process because we know how to make it happen. And so I wouldn't be surprised if they're all in this this group might even be the some similar group that Marnot was involved in in Montreal, Canada something a little more nefarious than we realize we don't know but it it is a it is interesting to dig into that. My chair keeps falling down. I decide no, but I keep raising it up there. I'm back up again. Oh, there we go. Matthew, you have any thoughts on this? Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Natty. Oh, I was just going to say that, uh, you know, at the the end of Dr.

57:08 Greer's some of his books, he actually encourages people to engage in meditation. Yeah. And to experience, you know, close encounter level, you know, fives themselves because he said that's basically, you know, our way of sticking it to the people want to keep it a secret is by us, basically having experiences ourselves and then it'll ultimately drive this revolution. So he finishes his books like that. Greer. Wow. So that so Greer is a doctor, a former doctor that became a ufologist and that he had now has a business that is run by bringing people and doing the CE5, which is a kind of dance where he reaches out and the CE5 basically is like prayer. It's prayer for the demonic realm. And so you reaching out to these demonic spirits and having them appear so people can win all over them and gawk at them. And this is essentially he's hated by the UFO community for making it a business and profiting off of it.

58:14 And I very much dislike them because he is pushing this agenda of communicating with demonic entities. Essentially, he, I don't know if he knows it, but fascinating guy. That's that's for sure. And we talk a little bit more about Matthew. Are you there? Do you have any any thoughts on? Yeah, I'm here. I've got thoughts. Yeah, I well, yeah, as far as Greer goes guy is definitely pushing the false agenda right along. He is not very humble about it. I don't think he would be a guest. You would ever want to have your podcast just based off of. The conduct that he has on other people's where they're like really hospitable and friendly and like they they kind of want him to talk about their thing. Yeah, if he was ever on here and make it would just devolve so quickly.

59:03 It would be a hilarious like three-minute intro. We have Dr. Stephen Greer and then it would just completely fall apart and then we've got a show planned anyway, so we'll just start that but anyway, the Bryce Zabel guy they are talking about who co-authored. The book with Richard Dolan. He's the guy for everyone who has been watching again veterans of the channel. There was the producer of that series Dark Skies, which was centered around aliens. That's him. That's Bryce Zabel. He's the guy who had the person wander up to him on his property and give him the little note about how what were the three things on the note Brad? Yeah. There's a book. He said that. They're presenting demonic.

59:53 They're presenting this form of possession that he had in the film incorrectly said no. Are you doing it wrong? Are you doing wrong? As if this person assuming it was a person knew exactly what real possession was and and then and then he wanted to tell him more about how the yeah, what the three things that you were saying it was like sound. No, no, it was it was vibration vibration and frequency and frequency. Yeah, something like that. I think and that was so when Dark Skies was premiering that was back in the mid 90s, right? So fast for the book that he covered with Richard Dolan that was released in 2012. So as far as Bryce Zabel goes and Richard Dolan by extension, you can see how it builds up. There's a you're working on these projects where oh, it's just a fiction.

1:00:50 Where we're talking about alien life and UFOs and that type of a thing, but you're getting your head in the space where you're creating this world where that's the reality and I've got to write plot space around it. And how would they do this? And how would they interact with that? And then you go and within, you know, two decades suddenly you're co-authoring a very serious book about what disclosure is going to look like. You can see how it escalates and how people do. It's like timber. Chet said there with the power of suggestion, and I don't think he was talking about how believing that the phenomenon is demonic is through the power of suggestion, but the people get wrapped up in the phenomenon and getting spiritual. That's the power of suggestion and you can see it in these UFOlogists their lives where they have these little events that happen to them and it snowballs to a point where suddenly their subject matter experts and they are pushing the message.

1:01:49 I would say just based off of that clip my my opinions of timber chat have gone up gone up his stocks are on the rise. Anyone who is willing to get out in front of it and say yeah, this thing is looking demonic. I don't like that. I don't like when things look demonic and this is like a seance and it's creepy and it's weird and this is something dark is happening here. And even when he was pressed on it to he didn't bound he was holding his ground. I have hope for that. I really do. There's a part of me that I can get very cynical and I can look and say anybody who's holding a position of power. They're bought and sold tonight. That's the enemy is in control of them, but I really don't know. I don't the heart right like I recorded the Bible.

1:02:36 Like I don't even know my own heart right God knows my heart better than I know my own heart. So God knows their hearts as well and he could be working with them and doing something. It's like you said this side of eternity. We don't know. But after all this concludes, I can't wait to look and see and just say, okay, who was in what position and who were the true believers who was just kind of going along with it. And then most importantly, where were those soldiers of Christ that were stationed by God his hand moving us on the battlefield and really waging war against Satan. And I just that was very encouraging for me to hear from a congressman to actually say that. This could be demonic and I do maybe, you know, maybe strange normal did play a role in that certainly. Thank you to everyone who reached out. We had a we were calling his offices and leaving messages with the secretary and I know we were sending it an emails and everything. So that type of a push maybe had an impact, but that was really cool.

1:03:38 I'm looking forward to you got more of this interview. I'm hoping now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the next thing we got going on here is see we're going to talk a little bit about the. The. Hitchhiker effect phenomenon that is also a demonic manifestation. So we're going to hear the other side. They're going to talk to the the the Catholic scholar now and ask him some similar question. Watch this or what do you say to that? No, I it's that that notion that concern that it's all demonic. So in the evangelical community, but also in some of the Catholic community and. My great concern. Is that the reasons they'll folks who think that will say it. First of all, they believe that it's contrary to Catholic faith that such a thing could exist.

1:04:30 I think if they read my book, they might change their minds. It's plenty of room in the Catholic Catholic Christian faith to accommodate that notion. But also there are examples of incidents in which people have encounters that sure fit the classic diabolical profile. I'll just mention one that I was listening to a podcast won't mention his name, but someone well-known in the community who had been involved with skinwalker ranch and these things and talking about the so-called hitchhiker phenomenon. And he says that at one point if I'm not misrepresenting him that the thing kind of inside was invisible seized him. And he began to speak through his his mouth with a voice that wasn't his that's kind of a classical profile. Christian thinking that would be diabolical demonic possession. I'm not saying he was possessed, but I am saying things like that.

1:05:27 Give people reason to you know concerns the abduction phenomena in certain ways can seem like diabolical possession. My point is this. I think probably there is some overlap. We've got a lot of things going on here with regard to UAP. And I think there is some overlap that there are some things that probably are diabolical and I've never denied that but that to go from that to. To take a few some some incidents and then jump to the conclusion that it's all demonic when the great majority of UAP does not fit any kind of diabolical profiles as we've understood it. I think that's just a leap. You can't make to make the absolute statement. It's all demonic. It's it's not a it's a leap of logic. You can't take all right. I'll pause it right there just for a second. So I want to go into a little further. Why would he say that this isn't all demonic?

1:06:19 I think it's it is. It is interesting because the evidence that they have so far doesn't show and I want to be careful about experiences because you can't just rely on experiences to prove anything. Even though I a lot of the court system even in the US is based on experiences as holding the highest evidence. I think we need to we need to really dig into what does the Bible say? And this is not talking about the court system anymore. It's talking about this specific. In nature. What does the Bible say about this and and what does the other stuff say about this? For instance, I have a clip that's going to talk a little about this. This is just some stuff. I've dug up over the years and this first one. I don't think I've played on this video on this on this before. Watch this J.

1:07:16 Allen Heineck a legendary UFO researcher and close collaborator of Jacques Vallee once said that if you want. To understand the UFO phenomenon, you should read Rudolf Steiner's book Theosophy. And I think he said that because Steiner provides us with a framework for understanding the spiritual realms that UFOs and their occupants may be coming from in a lecture. He gave in 1921, which I've linked in the description below Steiner made some comments that seem to speak to this subject. He said this since the end of the 70s of last century other beings not of the human order. Have been descending to the earth for the purposes of their further development from cosmic realms beyond the earth. They come down to the earth and enter into a definite relationship with human beings. My name is all right. I'm going to pause it right there just for a second before we go into this next clip, which I desperately want to go into.

1:08:12 Theosophy is any number of philosophies maintaining that a knowledge of God may be achieved through spiritual ecstasy. Direct intuition or spiritual individual relations specifically the movement founded in 1875 the Theosophical Society by Blavatsky. Yes, Helena Blavatsky that this is not anything about God. This is about demonology and that's been in the occult. That's essentially what that's saying for anybody. I want to make that perfectly clear. I'm sure we're going to have some some commentary. So hold the commentary just for a second. We're going to play one more clip. This is a part of the intro, but it's relevant here because he says there we don't really have any evidence. Well, we do watch this Matthew Roberts. I was a cryptologic technician in the US Navy for 16 years.

1:09:08 I found myself watching the footage over and over again almost obsessively. I I started to have these follow-on experiences with the phenomenon. Okay. That was like the beginning of seeing non-human entities in my room at night because my job was classified and I had access to classified. I was kind of aware. This was not a one-off event. For the Navy this these things happen frequently all the time. They happen all the time. Okay, so military personnel.

1:09:54 And he's saying yeah, I had access to this this clearance for this stuff. This was a big deal because when I started obsessing over this and watching this figure on the screen, I started having this, you know, follow-on experience where weird strange occult like phenomenon would start happening to me and it would happen all the time. And so this he said is a very common thing and we've had multiple people say this is a common thing when this. These they see these UFOs these glowing orbs these things in the sky oftentimes that they would be accompanied by shadow figures or things that would push you or antagonize you. That's a common thing and that's recognized and well known to be a part of the demonic representation. One more here we go. The Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs and among other things the document tells us. And among other things the document tells us. And among other things the document tells us.

1:10:54 The government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns paralysis and brain damage report. Also says that some people who saw UFOs experience quote perceived time suspension. They also saw ghosts and other spirit in all that report list 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files and other 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases, whatever that means. So I want to I want to make it obvious here. This is evidence showing that absolutely. This thing. Has a demonic ties to it. This isn't I don't want to want to leave no shadow any doubt in people's head when you hear someone say well, yeah UAPs we don't have any evidence that they're related to aliens or demonic entities. We just are seeing these round glowing orbs in the sky. No, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes and there is facts and evidence that show that these two things are interconnected and they're also connected to specifics. That's Christianity identifies as demonic representations.

1:12:00 Theosophy and it's the Theosophy. That's Blabatsky and we know what she was. So I'm going to leave it there. I'm going to pass it to you Nathan any thoughts on this? Sure. Yeah. So the first clip I thought it was interesting and I don't want to say that I have I have any sort of like beef against Catholics specifically, but they have a lot of strange beliefs that I find unbiblical to include Guardian Angels. The idea that everyone is sort of born and and sort of assigned a Guardian Angel. It sounds a lot to me like the Islam belief in the jinn. And the jinn could be good or they could be bad and you you have one for life.

1:12:51 And the that concept I think sort of drives that idea like oh, can we say, that that it's all demonic? Well, if they heal, if they do something special for you, if they make you wealthy, that doesn't seem like a demon. Maybe that seems like, you know, some sort of benevolent being. So I think that's where he comes where the Catholic comes off and saying they don't all have to be bad. Do they not when they benefit us? And then and then moving into the the other clip where I was talking about like the military guy, a lot of military folks are on shift work. And a lot of a lot of people work overnight and they believe it or not. There's there's this weird sort of scheduling where you work two days, two swing shifts and two night shifts six days in a row and then you get two days off.

1:13:46 And I don't know anyone who's been on that shift who hasn't said that their sleep has been terrible because of it. And sleep deprivation. In my mind, really opens you up to sort of like being half awake half asleep all the time. So while I'm not willing to say that everything is imagined that these people experience, I think that we are in a more vulnerable mental state for suggestions to be put there by, you know, demonic forces. And then it was brought up the, you know, the curiosity. Oh, the curiosity. I saw this and I got and I got obsessed with it. That's the same thing. Egyptologist say about Egypt, you know, the pyramids are mysterious for a reason. It sparks curiosity. And then the more you look into it, the more you get obsessed with it, and the more you get obsessed with it.

1:14:39 Now you love in Egypt and maybe even you getting into like some of the weird stuff like how they're how maybe their their pyramids are like power plants. Yeah. I have heard of that. That's a that's a common conspiracy theory about how they've never seen a dead mummy. Inside of a pyramid, but they have they're built over some kind of rich. What is it? Hot spring or something? I don't know. I don't I don't know. We'll probably never know. At least they say it has to do with like the latitude and longitude, how it lines up with stars. I don't want to get into ley lines and stuff like that. How there's certain points on the earth that tap into electromagnetic field more than others. But there have been people who have hopped into like the the coffin, in the king's chamber and said like, oh, hey, it resonates at a at a certain frequency and then they research and they're like, oh, this frequency happens to be like the healing frequency.

1:15:38 Isn't that incredible? There's all kinds of stuff out there. But Matthew, what are your thoughts on this? The sleep deprivation thing. I can relate to being a veteran myself. I remember I was a sonar technician. And there was like a friend of a friend who was another sonar technician. They were asked by like an airman like, oh, hey, like, how is it going? And it's like, it's terrible. I'm convinced that sonar technicians, it's just a front and they want to like, they want to examine sleep deprivation on the human brain. Because we were doing those watch shifts where we would just be on and off. And then if you're not standing watch, you're doing maintenance. And if you're not doing maintenance, you're doing something for the ship. So it is a common thing. Yeah. Everybody gets sleep deprivation. Sleep deprived. And it's acknowledged that even in basic training before you go through your final tests, they'll keep you up for 48 hours and then they'll drill you and they'll run you.

1:16:38 And at that point you are, you're vulnerable. Everyone is vulnerable. I mean, I saw some big dudes like six, five guys with muscle and they're crying because they're just struggling on the ropes and they got someone screaming in their face and you wouldn't expect that. But it's like this guy has been running around for two days straight. Hasn't slept. He's like out of his mind, but that's where they want you because that's where you're malleable. That's where you can be molded and it's suggestible. So for the human beings to acknowledge this and know that it's a tactic, the fallen angels know it a thousand times better and they know how to take advantage of that state better than better than any of us do. So the mentioning of theosophy and Madame Blavatsky was interesting because theosophy has this saying, and you can look it up, but they have a little logo and then around the logo is there is no religion higher than truth.

1:17:38 And I just think stuff like that is funny because it's truth. By what definition? And if you go by the Bible, you actually have some really nice definitions of truth. So just pulling from I'm going to pull from John in the very first chapter of we have John 1 9. That was the true light, which lighteth, every man that cometh into the world talking about Jesus Christ of and John 1 14 and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth and Jesus himself identified in John 15. He said I am the true vine and my father is the husbandman. He is equating truth with himself and even in as so far on 18 being questioned by pilot and in John 18 37 and 38, but therefore said unto him that now a king then Jesus answered.

1:18:44 Thou sayest that I am a king to this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth. Heareth my voice. And sadly after Jesus says this a pilot pilots sayeth unto him. What is truth said this he went on to the Jews and sayeth unto them. I find in him no fault at all meaning that Jesus is just telling it as it is and this that little line from pilot where he says what is truth. It's almost like a throwaway line, you know, like if you were talking to somebody just ah, what is truth anyway, I've had a rough day, you know, they woke me up early in the morning to try you when we're here sitting talking about the truth at what is truth and he walks away, but it's like if you were in Jesus you would hear his voice and the truth would be known to you.

1:19:42 It's not a question that you would have and you also wouldn't have this false definition that people who are invested in the whole religion of Theosophy. They get mixed up in this truth and they believe that there's an overarching truth from all the different religions and Blavatsky wrote about it in her books The Secret Doctrine, for example, where you know, all these different belief systems can actually coexist and and there's some undercurrent that if you can tap into of a spiritual guide can can get you there and all of a sudden you're going to be enlightened and you're going to be aware of the stuff that other people just don't see when the truth can just be plain as day Jesus Christ is who he said he was he came into the world. World for the purpose that he said he came into the world. It's a beautiful thing. God is wonderful. Yeah, one of the things that I love all the way back in Exodus when Moses says, well, what should I tell the children of Israel? Why what God you know, he's he's lived in Egypt. He knows there's a whole plethora of gods and they all have distinct names and backgrounds and personality traits and they dominate this aspect or that aspect of Egypt. Well, what do I say to you? It's just that I am. I am and I and it's just wonderful because Jesus echoes that same thing before Abraham was I am not as capable of making that definitive statement of I am and it's just so all-encompassing and wonderful.

1:21:14 So praises to him for really being so unique and so powerful and so good so uniquely good that when you enter into a relationship with the one true God, you know, it cannot be any other Jesus is the way the truth in the life. Nobody comes to the Father except through him. I love that John 14 6 fascinating fascinating. And so I think it's it's it's really interesting to say that this thing has zero that it doesn't all bear the markings of demonology. I think that's fascinating because that leaves. The door open for what is happening. What we see has been happening particularly in the Catholic Church where they're willing to baptize a demon excuse me, baptize what they think is an alien and and and allow this I'm going to call it a threefold Union to come together.

1:22:14 We're spiritualism Catholicism and apostate Protestantism. I'm going to call it pasta Protestantism come together to form this threefold Union. Eventually here very soon. That's what I believe is happening. This spiritualism is ufology. It is this idea that spirits from a long ways away are coming to Earth to tell us of the impending destruction of the Earth through this global warming and the Pope is already on that this is it's going to go just hand and fist in this whole thing and it's going to be very very easy on what's happening. You wait you watch. This is what I believe is happening here. Pope the Pope. Speaking of the Pope the Pope is being mentored by ufologists. At least one of them in the past who has predicted the Pope's future. This is news. I hadn't heard this before watch this.

1:23:07 So one of the things I've been one of the things I've been doing in my research is I've been looking at the current Pope Francis and of course his name before he became Pope was your J Mario Bergoglio. And it's interesting. There's some research. That's appeared in the South American press where it turns out that the current Pope was a very close friend of one of Argentina's most prominent ufologists a guy called Benito Segundo Reina who was an Argentine Jesuit priest and astronomer who died in 1982. And apparently he was the most famous religious UAP enthusiast of the time in Argentina and very very influential. And apparently he was the mentor. Of your J Mario Bergoglio Pope Francis. Is this acknowledged inside the Vatican at all Paul that the current Pope has been very much a close friend and indeed mentored by a person who was very avowedly a ufologist and who apparently also there are other people who are well-known Argentine ufologists who claimed to receive messages from extraterrestrials that could be prophetic and one of those prophecies.

1:24:24 Told the current Pope Pope Francis Bergoglio that he was going to become Pope. Have you ever heard this before? I heard it from you in a private conversation that last part and to be honest, I haven't heard it otherwise, but but I will also be very clear. I am do not have connections in the Vatican. I don't you know don't have kind of sources there that or in Argentina that you would have. So I'm not really any of that out. I'm just saying that I'm not aware of it. Personally. No, I'm just one thing. I do want to acknowledge is look. I have to be honest as a journalist. I've given the Catholic Church a pretty hard time over the years for you know, horrible instances of failure to properly investigate sexual abuse, for example, but one of the things I do admire is the Catholic Church's preparedness to discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence or non-human intelligence.

1:25:22 It's been quite progressive in this regard. What does the current Pope say? And what have previous Pope said about the possibility of a non-human intelligence? Nothing I know of with Pope Francis that he said perhaps in a private audience. He has but I'm not aware of it. It is interesting though that with Pope Saint John Paul the second probably most popular, you know Pope of our times that he wants was speaking at a parish receiving questions from the audience. And a young girl asked him Holy Father. What about the aliens? And this is so important to me that if if he knew that that was contrary to the Catholic faith, I'm sure he would have said because he would have had to say to her.

1:26:11 Well, you know young when that's that's contrary to our faith or he could have said, well, we'll have to wait and see if science shows us that because a lot of things but what he actually said was always remember. They are. God's children too. And that's my talk at the soul symposium. It was took that as its name and that's important because some of the folks who are claiming that it's all demonic or Catholic insist that the Catholic Catechism has passages that rule it out. And I think it's very clear that those passages don't but if there was anyone who would know what the Catechism is proper interpretation was it was John Paul the second who commissioned it knew it. Well, and if he didn't think if he thought that they're God's children, too and didn't think it was against the faith that I'm sure that's not the intent of the cat. Hmm. I don't have very much very much. What is it called?

1:27:06 I'm not well versed in the Catechism, but I know I know that we did a show recently where we dug into the Catechism. Matthew did because Matthew your former Catholic, if I understand right and I'm going to I'm going to swing it to you first if you have anything to say on this, the that he's doubling down as far as I could tell on saying hey, this thing is not demonic not all of it. Anyway, and I am fairly certain we have instances in the Catechism that show it's not demonic. What what in the world and I don't want to beat a dead horse because I think we've already talked about this a little bit. But can you speak to any of that? Do you have any thoughts of at being part of the Catechism? Hmm. Um, if being in the Catechism, I'm not sure I should I can do that though be pretty interesting. I was in the Catechism recently digging around and it's actually something we have planned for for a future episode.

1:28:10 I think you and I were talking about it. I don't know if it's been on air if we went over any of those points, but it'll be a good one have some stuff to do to talk about the Pope. So I get locked in for that. But, uh, I should look into I don't know if it directly addresses like extraterrestrial life. I'm sure that's what they would have referred to it at the time of writing it. Now, if it was updated, it would be a non-human intelligences because that's that's the new term for the day. But that's something that a lot of Catholics have talked about the theologians and saying that it's not contradictory to have these alien beings and life beyond Earth and then for it to even interact. Well, that's going to have to be part of it. We have apparitions of Mary that have shown up and people she's dead or is coming down from heaven and is interacting with various people and giving messages and showing signs and all sorts of things there.

1:29:16 There has to be an answer for these that's going to satisfy and Catholic Church is going to be out in front with a lot of hidden. Knowledge that will be revealed and they'll be able to be the religious body that contextualizes it for the rest of the world. I think that upon this revelation when the entire world finally realizes that we're not alone because I agree we are not alone. Absolutely, you know, I'll tell you that right now, but when everybody is that you and they believe that these are friendly non-human intelligences, and maybe there are some. Some bad ones right because the phenomenon. Oh, it's not all godly. Yes, some of its demonic, but there's some really good godly stuff with it too. We'll just roll it all together. I think that the Vatican will come out with a lot of evidences quote-unquote from hundreds of years, perhaps thousands of years more than a thousand years old and it will just back up whatever they're saying and it will unite the world under a new spiritual belief.

1:30:22 I think you'll see the Catholic system. As it stands right now. It will grew a drastic Reformation. That's the best word I have for it. They're going to they're going to reconstruct how they do things even probably down to the masses that they conducted everything. I think that the the whore of Babylon, which is this conglomeration of all the pagan practices really that are embodied in the Catholic Church. And I know I'm speaking a little bit more probably. Harshly to some people who think if but as a former Catholic I came out of it and I identified that yes that a lot of these practices. They're not biblical and even worse. They go against the things that the Bible says. Hey, don't do this and they go ahead and they do it. Well, I think that the Catholic Church does embody all of this pagan ideology and religious practices, but eventually that whore of Babylon is devout or by the Beast, right? That's got to happen at some point.

1:31:24 And I thought is is this system that is service so well for so long will need to be updated. It'll need to be shaken up and it'll ultimately need to be discarded in favor of the new religion the new standard and that will be where the dragon himself is sitting on his own little throne. That's what I think is going to eventually happen. So just keep an eye out really for anything, especially Vatican related to the topic because even this guy admits he's like I don't have Vatican connections, but I know about this. I know about that because I looked into his some of the books. He's written and he's written about Catholic mystics, which is a whole different topic. But essentially they incorporate a lot of they were doing New Age things before the new was a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's on. Yeah, I would say just keep an eye out just keep an eye out for the information.

1:32:23 They're going to put. Out not that it's going to like change the way you view the world, but it unfortunately it's going to shake up how others view the world and we need to be ready and be able to stand firm in our faith. Absolutely. Absolutely. What are your any thoughts on this Nathan? And we're otherwise we're going to actually go to a more Catholicism here and we're going to dig further into what David Grouch said because we're going to talk about that next. Sure. Yeah, I'll be super brief. So while I'm not a former Catholic, there are some Catholics in my life and you know, before the show we were talking about how I tried to minister to Mormon missionaries. Same thing applies to Catholics. I try to be a minister. I try to dig into the materials, you know, I haven't really made it past the die-dash and some of some books they would find highly controversial like the two Babylon's by his slipper. I think that the book is called the two Babylon's but it's really, just a breakdown of their doctrine and how it applies to other religions other cultures and not necessarily to Christianity.

1:33:33 And I think Pope Francis is an interesting character because as far as I know he's the first Jesuit Pope of all time. He's also named after Francis of Assisi who was most definitely a mystic. He even dared to call the elements brother and sister and he would he would write poems about it and everything else and he would actually, make that a form of worship because he would say well, I honor the elements because God created the elements. So I could I could say brother son sister moon and I could say brother fire sister water because it's even worse than that. I'm sorry to interject but because you're talking about the critical of the creatures, but that's like one of Francis's as big works and even the Pope he began Laudato's by quoting that, which is funny. Some people thought oh, this is like his original words. It's like no, no, no, this is over 500 years. This is Catholic theology. He's quoting direct. He goes as far as to say our sister bodily death from whom no living thing can escape and we know that death is an anathema right?

1:34:43 Like death is a curse. It's not a sister of mine. I have no fellowship with death. It's something that is born out of sin. It is the wages. Of sin. Yeah, we we are to have no fellowship with darkness and that's certainly death is a product act product of disobedience to God. Hey, thank you for that addition. Yeah, I've been into Francis and Augustine probably in the recent past. Wow, that's all. That's all I have to share on the matter. Yeah, very good. It is interesting and speaking of. That the Catholic faith we're going to dig. We're going to bring something out of this has kind of been a review show not intentionally, but because of some of the things that have been presented here as Ross cohort tries to figure out what in the world's going here and with religion because obviously there is some tie to it.

1:35:43 He's asking a lot of really good questions. And one of the things he's going to talk about is the David grudge testimony talking about the Pope giving over. Apparently this is this is under oath. This is what he said that the papacy did have some kind of craft. They give to the USA. I'm going to play that clip now and then we'll see what they say about it. 1833 was the first recovery in Europe in Magenta Italy. They recovered a partially intact vehicle. It's long been known that the regime of dictator Benito Mussolini documented numerous UAP during this time. This internal. Memo from the Italian Secret Services includes crude drawings of the UAPs.

1:36:36 It's true. It's real. Yeah, that actually happened. Italian government moved it to a secure air base in Italy for the rest of kind of the fascist regime until 1944 1945. And you know the Pope Pius XII back channeled that so the Vatican was involved. Yeah, and told the Americans what the Italians had and we ended up scooping it. So let me be very clear about this. You're saying. That the Catholic Church, the Vatican, they know about the existence of non-human intelligence on this planet. Certainly. Okay, I'm going to pause it right there because they're going to go into talking about little further on stuff. But this is what they're they're saying now. Listen to this. So Congressman Birchhead, Tim Birchhead, I know that you've met with David Grush that your oversight committee has heard evidence from David Grush. I think also in private.

1:37:28 Hearings and one of the allegations that former intelligence officer with the NRO NGIA David Grush makes is that the Vatican was involved during the Mussolini regime in assisting the transfer of alleged non-human technology a craft of some kind that was allegedly recovered at Magenta in Italy in 1933 and that that technology was transferred on to the Vatican. To the to the US government secretly at the end of World War Two. What do you think about that allegation? Do you find it plausible that the Vatican a religious organization would be involved in such a transfer? I think it's anything's plausible. I you know, we've had multiple incidences when the CIA has now come forward and said and it's been reported actually that they have a. Recovery unit, you know, what the heck are they recovering?

1:38:33 I think that that says more about it. I you know, the Catholic Church. There's a lot of mysteries there. I'm not I'm not a Catholic. I've got a lot of friends that are Catholic and my best friend is matter of fact. So I don't I don't doubt any of this. I think it's very plausible. I've looked into that a little more than I'm telling you and I've talked to people that are in the know that actually think that is legitimate. But again, until somebody produces the saucer or the body, it doesn't exist. And that's you know, we're going to have to we're going to have to get it out there. You know, and everybody loves the mystique of the Catholic Church and in the Vatican and and all the things that they claim people non-Catholics like myself claim they have. So I'll leave that up to my Catholic friend if he thinks it's plausible.

1:39:24 But I just I'm I'm a little. Skeptical, but I'm not I'm not totally in denial that, you know, I don't totally deny it. And Paul, Paul Thigpen, obviously you do have knowledge of at least Catholic theology and history. Do you find it plausible that the Vatican might have been involved in assisting the United States in the retrieval of an alien spacecraft that was recovered from Magenta, Italy in 1933? I certainly think it's it's possible. You know, the only. There are folks I know have studied it and said that the information that was put out several decades ago about it, that I don't hear him saying it was a hoax, but just that it wasn't sufficient really to be convincing. But my conversations with you convinced me that Dave Grush probably has evidence that wasn't part of that.

1:40:20 And so that that and he seems to be convinced that it happened. So all I'm saying is that I think it's possible simply for this. Think about the situation by 1944 Michelle has been executed by his own people. The government's fallen apart things are very unstable. You still got the Germans hanging in there and they were known I'm sure that it would have known to be looking into this kind of stuff. The Russians were doing their own advances. If I were the Pope, and I'm just speculating if I were the Pope and I knew that this was it happened and was there and that there was a chance that such a thing could get into the hands of the Pope. Well, what if I? Yes. of the Russians or the Germans or even the mafia to sell to the highest bidder.

1:41:07 I might conclude that the safest, most moral thing to do would be to find some way to help the United States get it. They would be the one actor that I would trust the most, I think. That's just my own thinking about it. So I think it is possible. Well, gentlemen, I think we'll have to leave it there. But, Paul, your answer does leave open the intriguing possibility that for 80, 90 years, the Vatican, one of the greatest religious institutions on the planet, may well have known about the existence of real evidence, hard evidence of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet. I guess time will tell. But, look, I have to thank both of you for joining us on Reality Check. And I hope you have a happy Easter break and look forward to seeing you on the other side. Thank you both, gentlemen. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Congressman. Thank you, guys.

1:42:02 Pleasure. Now I'm going to go read my Bible. Thank you, Paul. So I found that conversation very intriguing. It really does raise the possibility that the Vatican knows a lot more than it's letting on. And I can only hope that as Congressman Tim Burchett is intimating in a lot of his public comments, we may soon see more public hearings and more revelations from whistleblowers. This sure is stacking up to be very interesting on the religious side of things as well as the physical side of things. What is happening here is 100%. We have evidence that there is a huge deception coming. And I'm going to bring it right back to you guys because I think it's interesting that there's so much connection with the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church is a church. I think it's going to bring this whole revelation that we all know about this all the time.

1:43:05 We're the mother church. You guys should all come back to us because we know the most about this. When all the other churches are not talking about this, we should be talking about this because it is very important and imperative that we understand this whole thing from a biblical perspective, which is what this channel does and what we're trying to do with this thing. The Catholic Church doesn't have the right answers on this thing. I want to make that absolutely clear. This is an important topic. And I think that if you want to help us to continue doing this, please join us on patreon.com because it is only through your efforts that we get to push this agenda forward to try to help spread this message. That said, there is some dissension in the chat talking about how there is something else going on here. That there could be other things. There could be... Righteous entities trying to come out and reach out to us.

1:44:06 I want to make this clear. Everyone believes there are righteous entities out there. Those are called angels. And those are called unfallen angels. What we are talking about on this channel, and every Christian believes there are other entities out there that are righteous. What we are talking about on this channel is that we don't believe those righteous entities are going to come out. They are going to come to earth and say, oh, by the way, you have to do something against the Bible in order to save your earth. And this is the deception that is coming around. This is the big problem that is happening. And this is why the Bible doesn't go out and say, hey, any entities that come to you, you can declare them to be demonic. What does it say? It says, test the spirits. That is what the Bible says. And so, the Bible is very clear about what to do when you...

1:45:01 You are physically presented with something that is coming to earth to talk to you. Or coming to earth to present a message. Or like Demi Lovato, or these other... Or Fred Durst, and all these people that have said, even in the government, I am sure it has happened, where they have come and said, look, there is going to be something big happening right now. Something has come to me, and they want me to be their spokesperson. This is going to happen more and more, not just according to Revelation 6, not just to the leaders of the world. I am going to say leaders as in not just leaders of the kings of the planet, but also leaders of the influence. So, Hollywood, music, all these big leaders that really push a lot of people are going to start receiving these amazing things that happen to them to try to gain a crowd and eventually worship of these entities. That is why it is important to...

1:46:01 to present that message. Yes, there are righteous entities out there. Absolutely. We can't disagree with that. But we are focusing right now on the deception. So, do not be deceived. Do not know your Bible, and that is the only way you are going to survive this conflict that is coming. It is not through understanding that there is... there are demon entities, or there are righteous entities. That is not the question here. Have I beat this horse to death? I just want to make sure everyone understands. The main problem here is that there will be a verbal, physical, and emotional deception coming. And we have to know our Bibles in order to know if it is truth or if it is error. Any thoughts? I am going to go to you, Nathan. Yeah, I got a few. So, firstly, I like the Catholicism, and I like the Catholic speaker because he sounds a lot like a military guy.

1:47:10 When you get a question, you don't confirm or deny. Instead, you share your personal opinion. So, he said, oh, yeah, it is possible. Let me talk to you about if I was the Pope. Like, that is probably my favorite response to a question. That is like what I say in the military. I will say, oh, let me respond that by role-playing the Secretary of the Air Force. But, I did enjoy that portion, and then, also, like the concept of the whistleblower. I probably brought this up in the Discord, but there is no such thing as a whistleblower technically. So, everyone who comes forward is authorized to come forward because there is a process. So, if I, myself, were to blow a whistle on something, I would have to go to an office, and I would have to say, hey, this is the stuff that I want to blow the whistle on, and I would have to say, I have to actually get approval to blow the whistle.

1:48:10 So, the people who blow a whistle without getting approval, if the stuff that they are trying to share is actually trying to be protected, those people stop existing. Like, they do not make it into the media. They do not get on any shows. Instead, you see the story in the newspaper, like, oh, he killed himself and his family, or his house burned down, or he was in a car accident. So, those are the real whistleblowers with the real information. The people that we see nowadays, under the guise of whistleblowing, they have all been vetted, because there is a process, especially in the intelligence community, where if you want to shine a light on something you think is unethical, which you are allowed to do, then there is a process, and they will look at the information and ultimately decide whether or not it needs to be protected to the point where you can blow the whistle. Same thing applies to all classified information. Like, after X amount of time, it is not automatically declassified. It goes, oh, I am not going to blow the whistle. It goes to someone's desk, and then they say, should this be protected for another X amount of years or not? So, that is why we are seeing stuff from the 70s nowadays, and we will not see stuff today until maybe 50 years later.

1:49:24 So, the military community and the intelligence community is definitely a wild west. You should automatically assume that everything you are receiving, you are receiving by design. Like, I will just give a brief example. So, say I work public affairs, which is an office in the military, and I want information to come out, but I do not want it to come out through official channels. I want it to seem like it came out by accident. But the thing is, I really want it to come out, so I am going to say, oh, hey, it was leaked, and here is the person who did it. Like, oh, shame on you, but that person was selected to be the leaker of that information. And sometimes that leaker does not even have a name. Like, nothing is attached to them. The information comes out. They say, hey, it is a leak. We are investigating. And then for some reason or another, the investigation never yields anything, and they never figured out who it was.

1:50:22 It was the Pink Panther, you know. So, that is the kind of thing that we should be discerning. And that is kind of like an under-the-hood look at the military messaging and things like that. But that is what we are dealing with nowadays. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Huh, that is interesting. So, you believe David Grutch, he is going through all the normal process, but he is still considered to be the leak, or not the leak, I guess you could call him the leak, the whistleblower. It is authorized disclosure. That is the term we are looking for. He is just, he is in this information and he has been allowed to disclose it. And he has even said in congressional hearings, he was like, oh, well, I would have to clear that with my inspector general before I brought any of that forward.

1:51:17 So, yeah, Nathan is absolutely right. Everything that you are hearing has gone through a process and it has filtered very heavily. It has vetted and it is not getting it raw from the tap. Unless, like Nathan was saying, something bad happened to a whistleblower. Then you know, oh, that was, that was not part of the plan. The most recent one was a man named John Barnett. He was involved in a whistleblower lawsuit against Boeing. And guess what happened to him? He died a month ago. A self-inflicted... Oh, that is crazy. Despite the fact that he made it known to his friends and family that he had no desire to do any such thing and that if something like that happened to him, don't believe it and that there was foul play involved. Really? He didn't have his relatives. Yes, you have his relatives.

1:52:10 His wife has been on air and has said, I do not believe that he took his own life. That's not what he would do. John was ready. He was fighting and they silenced him. And that's exactly what happens. I mean, it happens over and over. It's a nasty thing. People don't like to look at and talk about, but they play dirty. And you got to wonder how many people have tried to make it into the public sphere to legitimately blow the whistle and they don't. And they fall short because of some really treacherous acts. I bet they have in place people who are designed to catch whistleblowers like spiders waiting in a web where they come through a certain avenue and they say, hey, yeah, that's crazy. Come, come. We're going to get the information out for you. And they go and they meet him in a hotel or out somewhere in a parking garage and they're just never heard from again.

1:53:08 So David Grush is definitely all that. Not to say David Grush who's going around appearing on podcasts and people are coming to his home and everything. It's all good. Yeah, no, he's not like rocking the boat even slightly. They're steady on their court. Interesting. Yeah. Well, that's all I had tonight. And so I don't want to belabor the point, but it's interesting to see what has happened this week. And I'm going to dig into this Boeing thing. That's really, really fascinating. It looks like other people in the chat already know about it too. And I had heard things here and there about it, but wow. If we're still having the issues, Boeing is a big company, but I think they're capable of doing something like that.

1:53:56 It really makes me wonder. Folks, we live in a wild, wild world and Matthew has an amazing show already lined up. We're going to talk about that. We're going to pre-record it for this next week because we're both going to be out of town. I'm going to be out of town in Atlanta. And I think Matthew has something going on as well. I won't speak to what he's doing. I don't remember totally, but Matthew, I think you're gone too, aren't you? My father surprised us. He's flying into town on Thursday. So I'm busy spending time with him and my kids are really looking forward to granddad there. They're so excited. Very good. Little itinerary planned. So yeah, I can't wait for them to get to spend time with my dad like that. It's going to be awesome.

1:54:45 Very good. And Nathan, thank you so much for joining us tonight. If you have any final thoughts, maybe you can pray us out. Yeah, sure. The only thing that I had was the final thought was actually based on that last clip. The last clip where they said, oh, how could it be that the Vatican would ever work with Mussolini? He was such a bad dude, right? And you know, the history of the Catholic Church is very fascinating because, you know, they don't sell the bottom line up front where, you know, they don't necessarily believe all publicity is good publicity. But they did receive ties from the Nazi party during, you know, World War II and that's its own thing. So of course, they wouldn't want to come forward quickly and say, oh, yeah, yeah, we were rolling with Mussolini as well. So we kind of had that whole, what's that called, rogues theater going.

1:55:42 But yeah, I'd be more than happy to pray. Okay. And thank you. Thank you for having me on. I hope my ears weren't too much of a distraction. No, very good. I enjoyed the Tron headphones. Loved it. Very good. And I appreciate you coming on and being a guest today. You have very interesting things to say. So we hope you come and do more with us. And good to finally meet you because I've only chatted with you in the Discord. And so it's very, very neat to actually meet you. Face to face. All right. Well, let us bow our heads and close this out. Heavenly Father, we do thank you for this time that we've had to come together and discuss the current events so that we could be a benefit to our family members, our friends and our neighbors in clearing away any sort of preconceived notions we might have about the reality of things.

1:56:42 We ask that you please remove the fog from our minds and let us see clearly what's happening and let us be bold in speaking to others about the deceptions and about the things to come. And let us also be courageous in sharing the gospel with everyone to an increased volume than ever before because we know the time is short and the workers for the harvest are few. So we do ask that your spirit be with us in all of our endeavors. And that you do shape us day by day into the likeness of your son, our Lord Jesus. And it's in his name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much, guys. Stick around. Let's do a little post-recording. Folks, thank you so much for joining us tonight. It's been very fascinating to see exactly what's happening even in these last couple weeks. What is going on around the crazy world we live in. And watch this deception ramp up as we know it already is.

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