0:08 We've only seen the public version so far, but here's what we can tell you. Government investigators seem sincerely baffled by what these things are. Today's report analyzed 144 separate sightings of UFOs by the U.S. military. But in only a single case could the government explain what it was. So this is a Pentagon. This is a Department of Defense official saying stop looking at UFOs because they're demonic. Correct. This is a person I respected tremendously. Very, very senior person. He told me, he said, Lou, I want you to stop doing this. I said, OK, sir, I certainly can, but may I ask why? And he says, well, we already know what it is. And I said, OK, sir, so it's ours?
1:07 And he said, no, that's not what I'm saying. He asked me point blank, have you read your Bible lately? And I wasn't quite sure where he was going with that. And I said, well, sir, I think I know. It says what where you're going with this. And he said, well, then you would know that these things are demonic and we should not be pursuing them. And what I've been trying to do is to use the special privilege that I've been given of getting access to a Harvard education and the law school education and with the Jesuits and all the different people in meeting, you know, Baba Muktananda and getting to meet all the spiritual leaders of our people on our planet is to try to develop a really intelligent, sophisticated, spiritually informed but rationally developed a set of policies for our dealing with extraterrestrial civilizations. The showings of the angels or the showings of God always showed up as orbs of light or things like that. And today we see this as we see these as we call them UFOs. Maybe again, the things that we have peopled our religions with in the form of spirits or gods or what have you, are really just these things showing themselves as they appear to be now.
2:40 Religions have made conclusions about the data have become set in their ways. And that is frankly what sets up this potential conflict amongst the religions, because they've all come to a conclusion and they're trying to prove the other one wrong. Yeah, a pillar of fire at night and confuse Russian troops. It has some asking, are Ukrainians receiving heavenly help? There's some miracle happened. It looked like some spaceship, like there was like an attack from the spaceship. There was some kind of a lightnings was starting shooting from the sky and like sparks were going well, like spreading everywhere. And then they on the morning, they discovered that the whole the whole machinery was destroyed. Revelation 16 says these unclean spirits, they go and they perform signs and wonders.
3:39 And Jesus warns in the Gospel of Luke. And it's repeated in the Book of Acts. Chapter. Chapter two, that there will be signs in the heavens, and a lot of people are going to be seeing things in the skies in the last days. The Bible says that in prophecy. So we need to know what the truth is, what to believe and what not to believe, because I think that evil spirits are going to use that to manipulate people in the last days. We're now less than 16 minutes away. The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first, the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, when I met him in 74, they were the enemy, the identified enemy, then terrorists would be identified. And that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third world country crazies. We now call them nations of concern.
4:32 And the next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space based weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is a lie. No, I'm not talking to you about this. What am I going to tell her or him? You know, these little kids, you know, 10, 11 years old. Yeah, that there's a force that exists out there that can control our environment, that can put thoughts in your head, that can lie to you, trick you, deceive you. Say that to a 12-year-old.
5:30 I mean, we're already saying it to a certain extent. 14 minutes, 30 seconds and counting. If you're an alien and you want to get baptized, the Pope is in favor of it. Pope Francis reiterated his view Monday that everyone has the right to be baptized. And apparently that invite extends even to Martians. You know, there were. There were no questions that prepared me for for what I was about to get into. You know, people often say, oh, must have been fun and must be exciting. No, it was. It was pretty sobering. You know, I like in this conversation to like having a conversation with a loved one about maybe cancer. Now, the good news is the diagnosis looks fine. You're going to recover. But it's a serious conversation. This is this is something that we are challenging people to reevaluate their philosophical, psychological, sociological and theological.
6:26 Belief system. Any time you ask humanity to do something like that, it usually takes generations. You can't just pivot because, you know, for example, let's just take culture, for example, of a country. It's like an aircraft carrier. How long does it take to turn an aircraft carrier? Well, it takes quite a bit of time and a lot of bit a lot of effort and and whatnot. Well, this topic is the same way because we're challenging people to reconsider, if you will, reevaluate their understanding of what they've been told about the universe. And more importantly, our place. What do you think that was just a hallucination or to be perfectly honest, a demon? Yeah, that's my understanding of ghosts. Any anything of that kind of story? You don't believe in ghosts? I don't. I was in the kitchen by myself and I felt it come up next to me. And I said out loud, I said, God, whatever this is that's been posing as grandma for the past seven years in Jesus's name, get it away from me and never let it come back.
7:25 And it hasn't been back since. These so-called alien beings are actually not. Manifesting at times as dead relatives during the abduction experience to challenge a person's belief system as Christian theology in the idea that dead relatives can be talked to or even spoken to, or that they're even around to be able to hear what we have to say. No evolutionary or religious belief system shows that this will end well by contacting these things. Evolution says that these things are likely to be superior. And so survival of the fittest will destroy us. Religion says that these things are deceptive and dangerous. And the evidence, if you want to include all the theory and all the stories that of these sincere people, it says they've damaged crops. They have mutilated cattle. They've abducted people beyond their will. They've messed with our highest security protocols.
8:34 They enabled and disabled dangerous warheads, forced pregnancies, forced surgeries. Burned victims, killed pilots, and lied to people. And most experiencers have experienced at least one terrifying alien experience. So to say that these things, they haven't destroyed us yet, so they must be good, is to deny the fact that there might be a universal court saying these earthlings are protected here on earth. And that's what Christianity believes. We've passed the 11 minute mark, now T minus 10 minutes, 54 seconds on our countdown. Both of us, separately, without communicating, we're studying this and going, wow, there is something going on here. Since this is out, it's in Congress, and they're discussing this right now. This isn't conspiracy. Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely. Something weird is going on here. Absolutely. Very eye opening. The Defense Intelligence Agency has just released that program's 2010 report on UFOs.
9:37 And among other things, the document tells us the government can prove that UFO sightings have caused radiation burns, paralysis, and brain damage. The report also says that some people who saw UFOs experienced, quote, perceived time suspension. They also saw ghosts and other spirits. In all, that report lists 42 cases of adverse effects from medical files and another 300 adverse effects from unpublished cases, whatever that means. Mark, T minus 10 minutes and counting, T minus 10. But what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief. There is a professor for the Pope's University in Rome. And he is a very highly respected intellectual. His last name is Tanzaniti. And he has written a paper now in which he is saying that very soon, not right in the beginning, we won't have to deny our Christian faith in the beginning.
10:38 But there is information coming from another world. And once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from God. Thank you. From the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia. I'm saying about the nuclear weapons, the UFOs were turning our weapons on and just so Russia could pick up that we're firing our missiles and fire theirs first. It was a big chess game. So these guys went into complete secrecy to start coming up with a defense system against this phenomenon. I think it's hard to understand. I think it's a long story, but there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory.
11:40 They did not have an easily explainable pattern. So I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. There are some things that have been completely out of the question for us. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet. And keep in mind, there are basically a billion galaxies in an ever-expanding universe. I mean, you can't even get your mind around the sheer number of things that are out there. But you've seen this. You've seen the data. Well, no one knows, but I think that the probability is that there's something you would call life somewhere else. The mission of AATIP was quite simple. It was to collect and analyze information involving anomalous aerial vehicles. What, I guess, in the vernacular, you call them UFOs. We call them UAPs. You know how this sounds. It sounds nutty, wacky. Look, Bill, I'm not telling you that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you, it's real. The question is, what is it? What are its intentions? What are its capabilities? My name is Tom DeLong. Most people don't know what AATIP is. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist.
13:02 I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. I'm a scientist. People know me as the founder of the popular rock and roll band called Blink-182. I started a company called To The Stars that eventually became To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science. We are literally the group that is responsible for why you read about UFOs in the papers today without all the stigma. It's the first time that we had the videos properly declassified, and because of that, then we had information as far as altitude and speed, eyes on target, different radar systems, different, um, sensors that all corroborated what was happening. People start to understand more about the UFO phenomenon. And when they, they, they follow what Seeker Machines is going to teach them. And mind you, as we'll talk about this in a little bit, it's not all coming from me. It's coming from other people of the highest places. The term, the occult in that whole world is much more a part of the UFO phenomenon than, and, and, and that's part of what makes it more complex than just, um, little green men and flying saucers and tinfoil hats. There is a very, very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions, um, and the UFO phenomenon. And what you have is something that doesn't like man, period. And something that feels, um, either jealous of or, um, has some kind of plan for what man, uh, is to become.
14:36 Is to be over the next 10 years. I have now worked with over 400 cases of people that have been able to stop the abduction experience in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. This is documented evidence. But, but what they're saying to us now is it's going to affect Christian belief very soon. Not, not right in the beginning. We won't. We don't have to, um, deny our Christian faith in the beginning, but there is information coming from another world, and once it is confirmed, it is going to require a rereading of the gospel as we know it. And that's the kind of information that we are receiving from the highest levels of Vatican intelligentsia.
15:35 We're now passing the 4 minute, 30 second mark in the countdown. Still go at this time. And the priest, uh, told us, Could I have a bit more of your time? I want to do something very fast. Fascinating. He says the grain plain, the master's grain plain for harvesting the nations, uh, for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause just before the close of the Greek controversy between the forces of good and evil. So we continued, you know, after we express ourselves that we're deeply interested to know more about the activities of spirits. And he said, it's going to be done in a unique manner. This, this grain plain is going to take people. People are going to eat the stuff because it says spirits. Demon spirits will declare themselves to be inhabitants of far distant planets in the galaxies that are coming to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of the planet unless something seriously proper is done to avoid it.
16:34 All right, guys, this is an amazing show tonight. We got so much lined up. Thank you for coming. Please tell me where in the chat are you from? Or I guess where are you from in the chat? I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. This hearing from you and also click that like button. It really does help. See you soon. T minus three minutes and counting T minus three. We are go with all elements of the mission at this time.
18:06 We just passed the two minute mark in the countdown T minus one minute, 54 seconds and counting. All indications coming in to the control center at this time indicate we are go. Guidance system goes on internal. It's 17 seconds. Leading up to the ignition sequence at 8.9 seconds. T minus 60 seconds and counting. We passed T minus 60. Our mysteries to the universe we were never meant to solve. But who we are and why we are here are not among them.
19:54 Ignition sequence five, six, five, four, three, two, one. Good evening. I don't know why I don't have video, but that's fantastic. There's always something new happening here on Strange Normal. I'm going to figure this out tonight and you're going to have video back. Let's just go right into our guest because I know that one's working at least. All right. We are back. And I don't know what was going on. Every other show has been fantastic, but apparently didn't want me to do my normal introduction. So I'm going to do it with you guys tonight. Welcome to Strange Normal. My name is Brad. We talk about the stranger things that happen in your normal life to give you a biblical understanding of what's going on.
20:54 And, man, has there been a lot going on. We have two guests with us tonight, Matthew and John. Matthew, say hello. Hello. I hope my connection is good. It sounds good to me. John, you are new on this program. I appreciate you coming. And you're all the way from, I'll let you say it if you don't want to say it. New York City. New York City. New York City. All right. I would just, yeah, in case you wanted to say you were from somewhere over there on the east, that's fine, too. But, yeah, no, this is going to be a fun night because we got quite a lineup tonight. I'm going to tell the audience exactly what we got, kind of a synopsis of what's going on tonight. William Shatner doesn't believe the NHI narrative. NHI stands for non-human intelligence.
21:41 Pastors explain away UAPs, that's unidentified aerial phenomenon, as here for the rapture. And mainstream media does a full expose on the Vatican and their UFO archives. That was a shocker this week. And, of course, more on the hearing of David Gruch. So we've got quite a lineup tonight because all these things, that was just a short, that's not even, I don't have four clips. I have probably ten different clips. So you're going to get more than those little juicy tidbits tonight. But before we get right into it. . How are you? How are you guys? And are you, what's with the big eyes, Matthew? The number of clips was overwhelming. Ten clips tonight.
22:30 I don't know, 11 or 10. Strap yourselves in. I hope you all have a refreshing beverage on hand and a snack to enjoy. We've got some strangeness to crack into. There you go. He's got the nice Canada dry there. Classic. Lemon. Bradley. Yes. So let's get right into it. I think we should open with William Shatner because he's always been a funny guy. And I always thought that he would be the first one to accept this, the whole alien thing. But he, boy, he had a news thing the other day. And he was just like, nope, not taking it. But let's talk about why I think that's happening because there's always a reason behind it. Let's jump right into it, guys. Here we go.
23:15 We have a lot to discuss with you, including your latest venture. We have a lot to talk about. The edge of space bothers me right away. That bothers me. I was in space. That could be the edge. Okay, let's send you. You were there. You were absolutely there. And, in fact, you wrote an essay. I was in space. You wrote an essay about your experiences there that really, really struck me. And I'm going to get to that in a second. But first, I just want to ask you, because we just had these historic hearings last week on Capitol Hill, what did you make of those hearings and the fact that UAPs, as they're now called, are being discussed by witnesses under oath in Congress? It's just, in my mind, it's ridiculous. You mean some highly intelligent being goes 10,000 light years with advanced technology, arrives here, and hides.
24:16 It doesn't make any sense. If something could reach the earth, they would make a big to-do about, my gosh, there's life in other places. And there is life in other places. Mathematically, there has to be. In this universe, there has to be multiple places that are filled with life, life that's like on our planet, burgeoning. And demanding attention and demanding to be alive. But if they're going to make that journey all the way here, it just beggars the imagination that they would hide and make it peekaboo. I'm here. No, I'm not. It doesn't make any sense. You were part of a documentary called A Tear in the Sky that looked to find evidence of UFOs and UAPs.
25:05 What did you learn in that? That the evidence is filled with imagination. People's desire. I mean, what could we want more than to realize that there are other intelligent, and we're maybe not quite that intelligent human beings, other life forms in the universe that have the same yearnings? What's the universe about? What's after death? I mean, the monumental questions would abound. And they would be asking the same questions. But they're not here. Because if they were here, they would make their presence known. This was shocking to me to actually hear him say this. And I kind of reflect what Arthur says in the chat here. He says, why are they interviewing a Star Trek actor to comment on real life?
26:04 Good point. I think what's funny about it is that... But he's right. So he's playing the side of all the people that are like, come on. Really? We're talking about this on the news? And what's going to happen here, I personally believe, what I think the Bible reflects, if you've watched Starfall, starfallmovie.com, it shows that this is going to become a bigger deception. And when that does happen, all these naysayers are going to go, oh, yeah, well, I guess it was aliens after all. When it wasn't. It was a deception. I didn't do a good introduction for you, John. I apologize for that. John, you are terrible, isn't it? John is part of our Discord chat.
26:54 He has been instrumental in finding information and so has Matthew. But since you haven't been on here yet, John, I want to thank you for everything you do in the chat and being there in the Discord helping us. Because without all you guys... All you guys, we couldn't do it. And it's fantastic to have you on as a voice because we're going to get into something that's a little... I might not know as well. So we'll identify that maybe later. But it's good to have you. And as always, it's good to have you, Matthew. What do you think about that clip, Matthew? William Shatner is hilarious. He's like Bill Murray, isn't he? Because Bill Murray has that same type of an attitude where... They've kind of run their course of their career.
27:44 So anytime they're in front of a camera, they just ham it up. And they love to make the interviewers uncomfortable, their personalities. It was ironic, though, that he said they would show up to hide. Because it makes me think, hey, well, have you seen your own show in Star Trek? What happens is... That's a good point. The Galactic Federation goes to the underdeveloped worlds who haven't researched warp technology. So they can't travel faster than the speed of light. And they'll just observe them. And in some of the episodes, there's one in Next Generation I can think of. They have a little outpost. And it's hidden. And it looks like it's part of a rock face. And they actually are made to look like the home species, too.
28:33 So there's some precedent for it. It's funny how he dismisses it out of hand. But William Shatner, like I said, I think he's had his fun. And he's still having fun in some regards. But he really is just, you know... He's coasting at this point. But one of the questions that he did ask was the big questions of this world. He said, life after death. Time and time again, we see people who are thinking about alien life. It goes right alongside spiritual questions. And it's a weird thing. Because you would think that they'd be so mutually exclusive. But no matter who the audience is, there's always this tie. There's always this connection.
29:19 So fundamentally, I think it has to be there. Fascinating. John, do you have any comments? You don't have to. No, no. Of course. Actually, the interesting thing is I know the name of the episode you're talking about. Those Who Watch The Watchers. Wow. That's the name of the episode. Mind blown. I should know this thing. I know. It's a good episode, actually. A very good episode. Anyway, completely off topic on there. But yes, William Shatner. Very interesting concept. Because you're right. Throughout most of Star Trek, their whole goal is to stay away from these planets. The prime directive. So it begs the question, there would be two options, in my opinion, if I were William Shatner. Either A, they do fly away here to hide, and we never see them ever. No matter what. Or B, why would they fly here and hide? You're right.
30:07 Because they would show themselves like every other alien movie besides Star Trek. 100%. I think it's also interesting that they said at the end there, she tries to get them back on course and say, oh, by the way, you were just in a recent documentary called Terror in the Sky. Which, by the way, the author or director of that documentary, the writer, did a very, very diligent job to try to prove that these things were here and actually spent a lot of money and a lot of volunteers to try to get and picture these things that were in the air and triangulate where they were. I mean, just to make this documentary. And she asked him, you know, tell me more about Terror in the Sky and what you believe about that. And he's like, it's filled with imagination. What are you talking about? Man. William Shatner's having a bad day. But I think- They should have had a tighter contract, obviously. You know, like, you have to only give us good press. You can't get on and just discredit the whole documentary. What are you doing? I mean, it's like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I think he's playing, I mean, I don't think he knows it, but I think he's playing the center that most people, most Americans, most universe, universe, most worldlings think about and they think this can't be true.
31:22 And so they're having someone to identify with and that he will flip in a moment, I believe. he sees something and once most people see something that they think uh is physical evidence and that's my friend is called seeing is believing and um i think relying on the bible go for it yeah sure um what i think is it's very interesting because he is the generation that is most likely not to believe that's true my parents generation my parents my parents are like i don't know about that you know so i mean i think that generation is the least likely to believe in what's going on in congress they're probably just rolling their eyes about it right now fascinating but you know what the other the other the other group that thinks uh it knows exactly what's going on is the vatican so it was interesting that um grutch in his uh under oath talkings in in congress he said that um the vatican knows about this stuff and he gave some evidence for that and so the news particularly news nation who has been heading up and received a lot of a lot of new fuckers um separates from vatican in actuality that means the road of the russians in major followers because of this. They are saying, this is true. We have to follow this. What is going on here? Let's take a look at some of those clips. This is fascinating. David, thanks for being with us. First of all, I'm curious what you make of the Vatican not commenting on this now, because in our research, we found that in the past, they have talked about the possibility of UAPs and something like, you know, everybody's God's children sort of thing. But this time, they really seem to be backing off on making any kind of statement. What do you make of it? Yeah, Brian, it's good to be on your show. I'm not surprised that the Vatican doesn't want to comment on this. This is a can of worms that isn't something they want to talk about. You know, you can kind of understand that, too, that it's when you're talking about religion and churches and all those kind of things, the idea of discussing extraterrestrial lives, is something they would probably rather not do.
33:32 There is reporting that the head of the Vatican Observatory, which is interesting, we got into this last night. I don't think a lot of people realize that they do have these observatories and are interested in studying space. His name is Jesuit brother Guy Consomagno, says that Catholic intellectual tradition would have no problem with the idea of intelligent life. He said that in the past, again, like, why keep it a secret? I mean, do you think that people, really, wouldn't be able to sort of mend the two together? Yeah, I think it is a problem that just people's religious beliefs, what they think is, you know, their salvation, and how extraterrestrials would fit into that. I mean, the Catholic Church has said, you know, that they have no problems with life on other planets, that God is, you know, great. And, you know, I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. life on all kinds of planets, and not just on Earth. So, you know, the Catholics have said, yeah, we have no problem with extraterrestrial life. But for them to come and say that, yeah, we've got information on a crashed UFO and, you know, UFOs, extraterrestrials and things like that. It's just not a statement they're going to make. The, you know, the American military is not going to make a statement about that either. And they probably know a lot more about, you know, uh ufos and extraterrestrials than the vatican does boy the vatican was in the news all week this week it was really interesting and we've got many more clips like that up but uh what do you guys think about that do you think the vatican uh is gonna come out and they're gonna talk a little bit more about it this is kind of a setup question what do you think matthew i guess john okay sorry um i guess my opinion is it's really interesting because um they're playing their part well you know they i think they have more knowledge about this than they let on i think we're going to do further in than the uh the night here but um also interesting that he mentions that they have an observatory and the name of that observatory is very interesting too and i let people look that up themselves um or maybe we'll bring it up later um but i'll say it say it what what is it what is it it's an acronym but it's lucifer lucifer light bearer huh the light bringer bringer okay and yeah uh you might be correct um but what's interesting is the leader of that is a jesuit which if you look into your jesuit history there's lots of books on it um i actually sent my dad one recently so um but yeah there's definitely a lot of books and you can find out what they believe and why they believe it and why they were even created um matthew i think i said a while back that no matter what was in the vatican archives it doesn't change anything and i don't care and i stand by that position that hasn't changed at all i know that there's stuff that the vatican has i know that there's information about supposed extraterrestrial life and it will come to light they're they're just waiting for the proper time to make it known it's just a big show it's such a joke but the fact that they are putting it in people's minds just to begin with even if the vatican says absolutely nothing they take zero stance people are still looking at the vatican and saying oh well what are you thinking about and and it's the vatican too it's not the dalai lama it's not like the dalai lama is sitting on some some texts about extraterrestrial life that everyone's interested in you know there's no grand imam of uh islam that people are trying to get on the phone and get his take on it it's just a joke it's just a joke it's just a joke it's just a joke no we want to we want the vatican we want these jesuits to to tell us what to think and what they know because they're they're just the holders of such amazing intellect and knowledge it's a what a joke i i think it's fascinating that um everyone goes to the catholic church first
37:48 and i think the reason why they did that is because grutch brought it up and because they had archives about this stuff so well it makes them look like the authority of it if they already know about it and they already had uh data on it and that's just not the case if you have data on something doesn't mean that you are the authority on it just means that you have miles of archives in the secret vaults of the vatican we're actually gonna i'm getting ahead of myself here but um this guy that we just watched also goes into what other religions believe about this as the uh the news anchor wants to know that was even more fascinating watch this are there other religions i'm curious david um that you know of and all the the research that you've done that are more open to the idea yeah i would say there are uh you know hindus uh and buddhists uh you know tibetans or whatnot the idea of uh extraterrestrial life and things like that i think is they have no problem with that and ufos uh particularly in hindu and buddhist tradition there they have ufos ufos have been flying around for thousands of years according to them they call them vimanas they have whole texts about it and so that's the other thing say with the vatican too is that ufo sightings have been going on for thousands of years uh in in the middle ages in italy too there were many uh ufo reports and even even painters painted flying saucers into their paintings and things like that and you know the vatican would probably have some of those paintings uh in their you know vast archives and stuff like that that that have ufos in them so the idea that you know ufos have been around there and that the vatican the catholic church the the hindus the buddhists uh mormons as well believe in extraterrestrial life and uh i mean they are also a religion that that wouldn't have any problems with that i think a lot of you know modern day religions don't have a problem with life on other planets and the idea that we're not alone in the universe is you know a pretty standard idea now yeah but it's still not something i think that major religions and particularly the catholic church wants to address um you know you go when you go back to the 20s and 30s with the inventor nikola tesla uh he constantly talked about electric spacecraft death rays uh ray guns and things like that uh we were watching uh buck rogers and flash gordon uh you know those kind of things they're electric spacecraft that are running around they're not rockets they're not jets they're like ufos so in the 20s and 30s the idea that flying saucers and things like that existed spacecraft extraterrestrials that was already a popular idea yeah it's interesting how you can trace all that during sorry it's interesting though i was just thinking how you how you're saying you know you can trace it all the way back uh to these these times you know with the buddhists and the hindus uh just fascinating uh we're out of time david childress though thank you so much so that was fascinating because they say that all these different religions are already prepped to accept these nhi non-human intelligence as the congress or whatever uh david grutch calls them the pentagon and uh they they're already prepped to to to accept these things now i i i want to preface this and i i'll get you guys's opinion on this too but uh i am not opposed to the idea that there might be some righteous beings in the universe that god has also created the bible doesn't talk much about this it does have a couple clues in there but i i this is my personal opinion but um i don't believe that any of them none of them are coming down here to our quarantine planet of sin and gonna be saying hey i'm gonna go tease these guys let me go scare them let me go uh make it look like i'm uh um you know cutting up their cattle or or whatever i think these are absolutely demonic events what do you think about that uh that clip i'm gonna go with uh matthew first he mentioned the other religions so it's interesting again that we're not seeing the microphones being shoved in the faces of uh the heads of those religions don't necessarily i don't know maybe if you're in the chat if you're watching this uh recorded comments let me know
42:26 has the dalai lama said anything about ufos i know he was in the news a couple months back for some very creepy behavior but that's the last i've heard of the dalai lama and it's it sounds like he this is perfect timing for really anyone to just step in and let their opinion be known yeah on one hand so on one hand you have this guy saying that christians and he by extension he puts the catholic church in too aren't ready to expose uh the existence of extraterrestrial life when we just watched uh recently i was watching a movie called the catholic church recently on our other broadcast ross colhart says that the vatican and the catholic church has done the best job of preparing their people for the arrival of extraterrestrials so obviously we see this difference of opinion where one part of uh the population is going to look at the catholic church and say oh no they're too stuffy they're they're too conservatively minded and they'll never admit to this but then the other part says no they're open to the idea they've even prepared the people for this idea and i think that it's going to be the latter i think you'll see that they'll be at the forefront to embrace this idea and to welcome them and not only that but i do think that these uh the the demons who are posing as aliens are going to be patting the pope on the back with the rest of the jesuit army saying you guys got it right these are the most moral men here on earth and and we really should be listening to them uh more often wow wow what do you think john um well i was i mean i'll go off what he was saying first but another part of that caught my i caught my attention um but uh i think he's right i think that they're gonna be patting the pope on the back you know they're gonna be here and all they're they're gonna be preparing the world for the millennium which of course we know is not here but most religions believe is here on earth you know obviously we believe the millennium is in heaven but um anyway but the part that really caught me about that video is he brought up nikola tesla yeah and and he spoke about technologies that were mentioned by tesla were mentioned you know even up into the 20s and 30s is what he meant you know i would have to research that myself but you know going off of what he said um it seems like there was a concept of having a different line of technological thought a different line of thought and a different line of thought of thinking of electromagnetism and electricity and the way it worked um is it possible that he's onto something is it possible that there is and that there and maybe some of what we are seeing are government craft that use this other line of thought i mean that's just part of that struck me i don't know just kind of popped out at me yeah there's actually uh i was watching we have something i didn't include in here because i didn't want to i don't know if there was a rabbit trail or not but uh we have a a whole article in the discord that talks about uh tesla and how his involvement with ufos and stuff i haven't finished reading it yet but i think that would be interesting to to get into and if you're interested uh in that that's also in the discord you can find how to get a part of that by going to patreon.com slash strange normal uh by the way uh news nation didn't just do these couple clips on the vatican they got so into the vatican they did a they actually went to the vatican live and did a whole excerpt on it um which i can't show on this channel because of copyright issues but if you are a member of the patreon you can watch that here's a clip from it check this out so let me be very clear about this you're saying that the catholic church the vatican they know about the existence of non-human intelligence on this planet certainly so we have been digging into so many of the allegations that david gresh has made and joining me live today steps from the vatican right now is news nation executive producer suzanna pinto um what have you been able to learn from vatican officials about what david gresh had claimed to us in that interview i gotta stop it right there because i can't play it it will cut me yeah i cut the video right off we won't have a live and we won't have a video but again um if you want to be a part of learning about this stuff then join us partner with us go to patreon.com slash strange normal and don't forget to give us a little like on the youtube video and before i forget thank you francis for the super chat we really do appreciate it it really does help push this message along we
47:13 can't do this without you so this is a big deal and i don't think this is this is going away guys because all this stuff that's happening right now uh especially with the vatican i think they're going to have to be forced into making an announcement about this pulling out their archives which we've talked about in previous episodes about their archives of these the things um major religions of the world right now are all stepping up because of what congress has said and all making uh uh assertations they're all making uh their theories they're they're trying to find this and and grasp this together in the together in the bible and i think we already have that we we have this on that on this channel in fact one of the pastors that i watch regularly is just mentioned this last week i want to show you guys a clip of that watch this the universe is very big you all realize i believe in aliens i believe that there are unfallen creatures that god has made on distant worlds we've never seen i believe the bible tells us that god through christ made the worlds and you read revelation about all the creatures in heaven are praising god so i don't think people are seeing aliens i think that the unfallen worlds have been told don't interact with this planet we've got a disease the only ones involved in our world are the hospital staff that's god father son holy spirit and the angels and once we're cleansed from sin and our world is made new we'll be able to interact with unfallen worlds but not yet but where is god moving the capital of the universe god himself will be with them he will dwell with them the new jerusalem's coming down to our planet think about it when he says that we will live and reign with christ we're not reigning over spain we're not reigning over you know some other country we're going to live and reign with christ giving glory to god saying we we've shared in his sufferings for all the unfallen universe but what can make us lose all that pride we either follow christ or we follow lucifer lucifer fell through pride i i i want the worship i want the praise and the disciples struggled with the same thing they made comparisons so this was a a long four-part series on pride that he just finished last week but and i'm gonna give you some context of that that was towards the end where he's talking about how uh absolutely that we go to heaven after uh and for a thousand years a thousand years in heaven come back down and the bible revelation does say we are those are god is with us he is our people what are your thoughts on that clip so i would i would say that doctrinally we we don't always all align and even in our discord group there's some conversations that go back and forth but they're always very respectful and i would say one of the points that i would differ on is the existence of life unfallen life beyond planet earth from my reading of the scriptures i have i understand there are two classifications of intelligent life that being the angels both the heavenly and the fallen at this point and mankind now that being said i i respect that brad has brought up the point that if there are other intelligent unfallen beings out there the bible doesn't describe them coming to earth or having any meaningful interactions with us so right there i you know we can kind of agree on that point that the scriptures don't have that there and we won't fall into deception and i noticed just looking at the chat that there are some opinions on you know how the seems like thousand year period is going to play out uh maybe i'm sure that there's going to be some disagreements about the rapture and when that takes place and under what circumstances but i just want to say that we can respectfully disagree with one another that we're in this space because we identify that there is a certain flavor to the deception that's coming and that is demons cloaked as aliens so i just want to say to everybody watching everybody in the chat right now regardless of of the differences of doctrine i think we can all come together on the the core ideas of who jesus christ was and most importantly what is in
52:08 store for the world as an end time deception very good john i i really like that pastor oh yeah pastor met him a few times in life you know so he's a good guy um i i do actually tend to agree with what he um based on particularly one section of the bible um in job 1 6 it says now there was a day when the sons of god came to present themselves before the lord and satan came also among them and in my interpretation of that verse um satan was the representative of earth at the time he had won that right from adam at the fall when adam had fallen to sin um and then the other represent representatives of other in my opinion are are the other sons of god are representatives of other fallen worlds or unfun words sorry and that was my reading of that text uh but of course like like matthew says we have differing opinions and different views and uh in the end it's not important uh this section what is important is the the fact that we're trying to prevent ourselves from being deceived by what is in you know in on earth you know which is clearly not our external beings it's not done if there's any if there's any unfollowing beings they will be staying away from us because we are sick uh with sin and uh what is important is that we're not deceived by the what is showing up here and what is uh availing itself or revealing itself to us um and that in my opinion is demons it is interesting too because i i don't see uh i i see a a very and we're not in the ballpark of any sharp disagreements like matthew said but there is a sharp disagreement inside christianity about whether or not there are righteous beings and i tend to uh completely understand why people believe this and we haven't i don't think matthew and i have really talked about this so uh i this is a bit of a i think our first time uh really discussing this and so we won't go too far into it but i i tend to agree with their um decision because the reason is if it's not in the bible it shouldn't be talked about and it shouldn't be a big deal i think there are some evidences to include that but i don't think it's significant enough to say well i'm not going to be your friend anymore because i don't believe it that there's there's uh because he doesn't believe there's righteous aliens somewhere right and by the way i wouldn't call them aliens i think we have conjure up this hollywood idea of of little green men when we say aliens but anyways i digress there are many different pastoral opinions on this let's look at another one shall we here we go joining me now with more pastor of sunrise baptist church in las vegas and founder of get a life media ministry pastor billy crone thanks so much for being back with us so soon it's great to see you again yeah you too allison thanks for having me on absolutely so what do you make of former u.s intelligence official david gruch's statement at the house hearing stating that we recovered non-human remains from an alien craft yeah well actually uh if you read the bible this shouldn't surprise you because i think this is all part of a custom-tailored uh last day's deception to explain away the very event that god says is next on his list of the most dangerous events in the history of mankind and that event is called the rapture of the church and that is when god evacuates all born-again christians takes him them off the planet before the worst time in the history of mankind is thrust upon the planet the bible calls that time the seven-year tribulation so if in fact that event is going to happen and you're going to see millions of people disappear and you're an enemy of god then what would you be doing you better be coming up with the best excuse you can think of to explain away why all of a sudden these people disappeared and specifically and only specifically christians well believe it or not that's exactly what we have with the alien deception they're called aliens i agree with that guy they're non-humans uh but i don't agree with their assessment that there are a higher evolved race of beings uh from the other side the solar system or galaxy or whatever here to help us it's a deception they call them aliens the bible calls them demons and they are right now being used to become the perfect excuse to explain away hey what happened to those people when all of a sudden they disappeared off the planet so i'm going to pause it right there for a second because
56:49 i think this is a fascinating clip he was wow wow what was going on here what uh i'm going to get you guys opinions first what do you think uh start with you matthew he sounds like us he says have you been reading your bible you know what this is so i like that he's off on the right foot at least we're reading the bible i disagree with him though on the aspect of the rapture and this is a touchy subject you know like i said this is something that i think different christians hold these beliefs and when they rub up against each other it can get a little nasty because you know we're pretty much going to be pointing at the same resource we're going to be pointing at the bible and saying no look it says this no look it says that from from my understanding of the scripture it is very clear that the rapture is the rapture is a loud event it is an earth-shattering event and it hails the destruction of planet earth so i the thing about people being raptured away it's kind of hard okay because i just i don't believe that there is going to be a disappearance of christian people um not until some tribulation has passed and we'll go through that the good news is i want i just want to say if you are in christ if you are sealed with god's name in your forehead because there are two classifications of people right there's those who receive the mark of the beast and those that receive the seal of god if you are in christ you are not going to be harmed by these plagues that are poured out on humanity if we look at exodus and we see this is the type right that came before and proceeded. It's the shadow of the rapture at the end of the world. There were 10 plagues that were poured out upon Egypt. The first three were hit by everybody, regardless of whether they were God's people or not. But the last seven were exclusively on the pagan population of Egypt.
58:57 If we look in the book of Revelation, there are seven plagues that are poured out on the world, and those seven plagues, they exclude God's people. And there is going to be an anger towards Christians, certainly. Christians are going to stand out. It's just we're not going to stand out because we're suddenly missing and we're not there anymore. We're going to stand out because we're the ones who are saying, we are not going along with this deception. We have faith in Jesus Christ. And not only that, but God is going to be sheltering us from the calamity that's going to be coming upon us. And that's what we're going to be doing. And that's what we're going to be doing. on the face of the earth. Wow. Wow. 100%. John, what do you think? 100%. You literally took the words out of my mouth. I was literally going to point towards Exodus and exactly what you said. Amazing. And one of the most important points about that is the fact that the Israelites didn't rapture away during the last seven plagues. They were there. They lived through it. I mean, they didn't get affected by it, but they lived through it. They were still in Egypt when they were in Egypt. And they were still in Egypt when they were in Egypt. And in the same way, we will still be on planet earth when those plagues hit. But like Matthew said, we won't be affected by them. No, we won't. I think that's very, very, very good. Very well done. Very well said. I think it's fascinating that in every story in the Bible, and this is what we have to look for. I mean, because the Bible is there. It has stories in it that we can extrapolate the events of what's happening and apply it to our life. And so in every story, every calamity that happened, take for instance, Noah and his ark, right? We were just up there in Kentucky, Matthew and I and a couple other people. And we saw this enormous ark. I mean, it was just, they say it's big. I didn't realize how big it was until I saw it. But if you think about Noah, he went right through the tribulation and God carried him through. And what's interesting about that is that every time God moves, he always tells his people. He's not going to leave us in the dark. He's not going to be like, hey, you know, you should have known. It's going to be obvious because he loves his creation. And so I think that's something we have to keep in mind. I was just going to say, another time that God protected his people was the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jesus spoke on it, and he said that when these certain events come to pass, flee, get into the mountains, go into the wilderness, back away from it. And it's an interesting... Prophecy, because it actually works twofold. If you go and you read through that chapter of Matthew, you'll see that it's talking about the Romans encircling the new Jerusalem and a later, I believe, Roman power encircling the world. So just, yeah, once again, encircling the church, yes. And just bringing up the ark was also a really good point because the ark is that place that...
1:02:02 Of safety. We go inside. We do this because God has commanded us to. And one of the beautiful things about the ark, one of my favorite things actually about the ark story is that God shut Noah and his family in. That always, to me, every time I read, it's such a small part and it's easy to overlook. Sometimes that happens in the scripture. Sometimes there's just a little line and we tend to just skim over it as we go on to the next points. But God shut them in. That means he took care. Yeah. He said, you're in there. I'm going to make sure I am preserving this. You better believe that ark was leak proof. I know that it says that Noah covered it with pitch inside and out. He did his best job. If there was even a crack, God's finger was just put right in that hole. And that's beautiful because that's the love that God has for us. It is so personal and so caring. We don't need to be afraid of what's coming. I know that it... It can seem really frightening. It's going to turn a lot of people on their heads. Men's hearts are going to be failing themselves for fear, but that's not us because that perfect love drives out all fear. We're going to be fine. So just keep nurturing your relationship with the most high people. We're headed towards the finish line, I think, sooner than later. And there's never a better time to get right with Jesus, get right with the Lord.
1:03:27 I found some great study guides on a small website called amazingfacts.org. They got some great website study guides. Let me read you some of the verses they say that will be at the second coming. This is straight from the Bible. Revelation 1.7, Behold, he's coming in the clouds, and every eye will see him. Matthew 24.27, As the lightning comes out from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Boy, it's going to be bright. And this is 1 Thessalonians 4.16, The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God. Boy, that's going to be loud. And the dead in Christ will rise first. You'd think that's going to be noticeable. It says, actually, it's one of the noisiest verses in the Bible. This is what the study says. The Lord shouts, the trumpet blasts, the dead are raised. The second coming is not a quiet event, nor is it only a spiritual coming into the heart. It does not take place at the person's death, nor is it figurative. All these theories are human. Inventions. So that's, that's fascinating. And you can find that study guide called Ultimate Deliverance. Just search for Amazing Facts, Ultimate Deliverance on Google.
1:04:43 Let's go into the next, next clip, because actually he gets kind of a, an interesting theory going on here that I think we've touched previously on here. And I want to kind of explore it a little bit. Let's, let's, that's, that wasn't on my agenda. Actually, we were, I'm going to skip over some stuff. Because I'm, I'm completely out of line here. But, um, I grabbed this. Why don't you look for that? Yeah, go for it. I was, um, one of the verses that really struck me about the second coming is, there's a verse that says, and I don't, I can look for it, but it's, uh, it says, and the elements will melt with fervent heat. I mean, that literally is talking about, and the islands will move off their heads. That's the second Peter. Oh, wow. Yep. Good job, Matthew. Oh, you see, you know more than me. There, there's, there's also a verse, I couldn't find it. It talks about the cities being broken, down at the second coming. I didn't mean to cut them off. No, it's, we got a delay. Perfect. I need to look for it. Yeah, yeah. I'm learning about this delay.
1:05:42 Yeah, there's some kind of half second delay. You got it. Second Peter, uh, 310. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also, and the works that are therein shall be burned. So it's an interesting thing because oftentimes, and once again, not ripping you, if you believe in, in the secret rapture or the silent rapture, whatever the name is, I'm really not, but they'll often point to the Lord will come as a thief in the night. So that's like a quiet thing, right? Because thieves break into the home and, you know, generally they don't want to be detected by the, the occupants of the home. Well, it's coming as a thief in the night. Yeah. And this is actually explained. And, uh, in another part of the scriptures, but it's, uh, it's as a thief in the night, not because it's quiet, but because you don't know when the thief is coming. Yeah. You don't, no one is going to break into your home and leave a note on the front door that says, Hey, Thursday night, I'm breaking in. So you can leave your window unlocked or I can smash it your call. No, no one's going to do that. A thief comes in.
1:07:00 That's so true. And there's, sorry, there, there's a true, there's a verse about that, that literally like Jesus, I think it was Jesus says that if you knew, if the, if the, if the man knows the hour of the thief will arrive, he will wait for him. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But you don't, but we don't know. I don't remember where that one is either. I'm going to have to start looking these up. So the idea that, that, that the, this tribulation or this, uh, this 24, sorry, is it, is it Matthew 24? Right. Yes. Matthew 24, 43. Okay. Yeah. But know this, that if the good man of the house had known and what watch the thief would come, he would have watched and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. So yeah, there it is. It's, it's about not knowing the arrival, not necessarily the thief being a sneaky, quiet person. And you can tell it's not about him being a sneaky, quiet person because immediately after it talks about the Lord coming as a thief in the night in which the heaven shall pass away with a great noise.
1:08:00 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think that, I think I think, I think in, in, in, in this, in this, in this particular chapter that we are talking about, I think it really does apply to the last chapter of the book. And it's really, it's really important that we know that there's a rapture on the earth and the idea that the heavens are melting with a fervent heat, the earth and the works they're in are burned up. And that to me says, because I know that in rapture theology, I'm not extremely well-versed in it, but I know that there's a rapture of the Christians and then there's kind of a probation period where people have a chance to, uh, either get the heaven or it's, it's like the descendants of the Jews who made the original covenant with God get raptured at the end of seven years? I don't know. Honestly, I don't want to overstep myself because I don't know the theology that well. But I will say this, if when Jesus comes on that day and everything is melting and on fire and burning, there's not really going to be anything left at the end of seven years to be second raptured away. One of our newest members posted a TikTok that talked about the rapture, and I think it was a fascinating TikTok. It's not from anybody, any church I recognize, so brace yourselves, but this is fascinating what they say. Let me know what you think. Here we go. The rapture is a new teaching that started in the 1800s. But listen to the credits. I have a copy of her prophecy. She says absolutely nothing about a pre-trib rapture. She's much closer to the post-trib view and not at all close, even remotely close to the pre-trib view. And as far as the concept of a pre-tribulational rapture, we actually have evidence that it was appeared as early as the second century and also the fourth century, also the sixth century. Darby is not the one who innovated.
1:09:49 Darby, what he did was basically systematize the theology behind it, which became known today as dispensationalism. As old as the doctrine is, it could still be a false doctrine. As new as the doctrine is, it could still be true. The final test case is, does it conform to the written word of God? That is the final test case. That is it. So what I liked, I liked what he said in the last thing. Does it conform to the written word of God? Not to, not to some tradition, not to some, man's ideas, but does it conform to the written word of God? And it was, it was news to me that this whole idea that, you know, we're going to be taken away before the poor God comes is actually a new theory. And it was, it was, I think, in origin coming from this. I'm going to put up an image on the screen. This is, this is the prophecy found in the Bible talking about the Christ and his, his death and all this other stuff. It's, it's all found right here. I want to show you this real quick. This is, this is really interesting. I'm going to open you guys' mics. I figured out how to do that. So let me do that. If anybody has seen this before, let me see if I can open the mics. Okay. Both of you have open mics now. This is where they get the idea that there is going to be a preacher of rapture, seven years of, of terrible. They take this seven years that's in the middle here. That should be, given to Christ at his death. And they pull it out and they push it over to the end of time. And so that, that is in, in my idea is not actually what should be done. You should give this section back to God. But a lot of, maybe, John, do you have anything else to say about that?
1:11:43 Yeah. Well, the way it's written is it is written in a Hebrew, it's a way of writing where they go kind of jump back and forth about it. It talks at the beginning in Daniel, it's at the beginning of the Daniel, 924, the 70 weeks are determined upon thy people in the holy city. So you know that there's a 70 week period total. Then after that, it talks about in verse 25, it says, therefore, know, therefore, and understand that from the going forward of the commandment to restore and build the temple. And build Jerusalem unto the Messiah, the Prince shall be seven weeks and three score and two weeks, which you got to go back into old English to figure out what that is. So you got this 69 weeks. So you can see where it says seven of in this, in this picture we got up on the left-hand side, you see, it says seven weeks and then it says 60 weeks. And then it says plus two weeks is following that verse exactly. So you know that it's 69 weeks and it says, and that takes you to, uh, you know, 483 years. So we know when the temple was told to be rebuilt and that's 457 BC. That's literally in history. You can go back in history books and you look that up and you figure out that date. So that's taken directly from history itself. So you take that now and it takes you right to AD 27. Now if you go down to verse 27 you see it says and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. And so that's that final week. And of course you're taking a day for a year which is a way of looking at prophecy.
1:13:14 And so that would start in AD 27 and take you to AD 34. Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't want to go throughout the whole prophecy. We're inundating people with data when we should be talking about UAPs. But I agree what you're saying. We should put that thing right back in where it belongs and not all the way at the very end of time. And I think that's 100%. Yes, exactly. Because the first verse says it's 70 weeks. So we know that everything that's after that is all included within the 70 weeks. You can't just cut it out and just throw it wherever you want. Right, right. 100%. So it's a new philosophy that has no basis on the Bible. That's my personal belief. What do you think, Matthew? We have some activity in the chat, as I knew there would be. Our live chatters are going at it tonight, which is a good thing. I'm glad. Thank you for being involved and thank you for voicing your opinions here. And I'm seeing Revelation 3.10 is being used as a justification for a pre-tribulation rapture. So let me just read that here on air.
1:14:18 Revelation 3.10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. So that is what I was talking about previously, how God is shielding us, protecting us. Like I said, there's a sealing of God's name in the forehead. There is a close of probation, so to speak. Just like that little graph show that there was a close of probation for the Jewish people, there will then be a close of probation for the entire world. And it's after that probation closes, you have those two classifications of people. Let he who is righteous be righteous still. That scripture, I don't want to paraphrase it, but that's what I'm referring to.
1:15:16 And those people are all existing on the earth. I don't think you're getting pulled off of the earth so that the hour of temptation then comes upon the earth, but then it's only for the people who are there. Yeah. I mean, this is a really hot topic. I'm glad we're having it tonight, because we haven't touched this on the channel. But like I said, for all of our viewers, long time or a fresh viewer, if you hold this opinion, thank you for being here, continue typing in the chat, or leave comments afterwards too. I'd be interested to see what people have to say. If you have a different opinion on this and you think you can tell us what you believe and how you can prove it, leave us a comment. We always love and we do watch and look at all the comments, so we want to hear from you. Hit that like button or hit the dislike button if you don't believe it. Either one actually helps this video. So, let's jump in. I really appreciate Christina here, Christina Bourne, thank you for the super chat. Man, I really do appreciate that. We can't do it without you guys.
1:16:27 And I think, unless you guys have any more comments, let's jump into what this guy actually believes that I think is worth listening to. Let's put it that way. I came out of this group. I was involved in, before I became a Christian 30 years ago, I hated Christians. I was one of those people, I was a big skeptic. I'd be the first one to line up and say the Bible's a book. It's full of errors written by man. Don't touch it. But I was in Satanism and the occult and New Age. Not a good combo, by the way. And I can tell you firsthand, being on that side of the camp, not only is evil real, demons are real, been there, actually seen apparitions with my own eyes. This is not a joke. It's not a game. But also, what is part of that camp, guess what would pop up when I was involved in these occult practices? Aliens. Go figure. Because it's just a repackaging. In fact, let me give you one quick example. I brought this with me today in the office.
1:17:26 Again, I came out of the occult, unfortunately. I don't know if your listeners are familiar with a gentleman. His name was Alistair Crowley. And secular researchers say that he was the most evilest man who ever lived. He was involved in serious black magic. He still to this day has had a huge influence on the music industry, Hollywood, etc. But he was contacted by several beings that gave him all this occult knowledge. And one of them was called LAM. L-A-M. And he actually drew a picture of it. And this is what the picture is of LAM. What does that look like to you? I'm not sure it looks like an alien to me. Exactly. It's just one easy way to show it's all the same thing. All they've done is repackage himself. We live in a skeptical anti-biblical society today. And of course, she started talking demons. People say, oh, you're a wacko, right? But then all you got to do is repackage him and say, oh no, they're aliens from another dimensions. They're here to help us. It's the same thing. In fact, let me give you just real quick. This is from secular UFO-ologists who admit that when you're honest with the UFO phenomenon and these so-called aliens, oh, they're non-human, all right?
1:18:30 They're not aliens. They're demons. And this is what they say. This is Jacques Vallée. He's one of the top guys on the planet. He said this, I do not believe anymore that the UFOs are simply the spacecraft of some race of extraterrestrial visitors. This notion is too simplistic to explain their appearance and their manifestations. He says, And on and on and go, I have lists of secular researchers who are coming to the same biblical conclusion that if you're honest with the facts and what these things do when they show up, how they treat people, they are carbon copy with what they call the age-old demonological phenomena. And again, I believe that Guy was right. These are non-humans, but they're not aliens. They're what the Bible calls demons. If you actually have on TV actual so-called these guys popping out, except you don't say that they're demons, you say, oh, there's aliens from another world, how many people you know would fall for it?
1:19:32 And then they would say, you know what? In fact, this is on tape. I don't know if you ever saw this. Ronald Reagan, believe it or not, back in the day, in one of his speeches, I've got this on tape, he actually said, he says, and he was talking about the conflict with the United States and Russia at the time, he said how quick we would lay down our differences and we would all instantly be united if we had a common experience like with aliens from another world landing on planet Earth. So even he said that it could be used as a tool with that nature. That nature. Wow. Wow. So I think he was on point on a lot of that stuff. This guy's been watching Strange Normal, I think. I know, yeah. He basically did the whole Strange Normal Starfall presentation in about five seconds. Really did a good job. I don't think I have anything to say about that because he was so on point, but what we have next is really interesting. We're going to have a lot to say about. I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm going to hold that. Do you guys have any thoughts?
1:20:34 The comment thing on Lamb, I think you actually posted this yesterday in the Discord. I haven't gotten to watch this video yet. We post a lot of videos and stuff in the Discord. Believe me, if you are short on what to watch, join the Discord because you're never going to need to surf for a YouTube video again. This was a quote taken out of one of the videos that you posted. It says, oh, in this Billy Crone interview, he mentions the Alistair Crowley Lamb story. Random fact, Peter Lavenda, who has co-authored those Secret Machine books with Tom DeLonge and is a very highly noted ufologist, has a picture of Lamb hanging. Front and center in his home office wall. He gets asked about it by Sean Stone, Oliver Stone's son, in an old interview he did with him. Sean Stone is interested in the occult, recognized the image, and asked Peter about it during the interview. Can we get that clip?
1:21:35 Can we get that interview? That seems crucial, but just him mentioning Lamb totally sparked my memory of that. It would be interesting if we could really get him dead to rights and be like, look, these ufologists, just are even using the weird picture of Lamb, who said, you call us angels and demons today, but tomorrow you'll call us something much different. It's so plain. It's plain as day, people. What do you think, John? I mean, one of the things that popped out during that interview is that it's the same lie from the Garden of Eden. That they're here to help us. That they're here to give us secret knowledge, something that you don't know. You took the words out of my mouth. It's wild. And we keep falling for it over and over again. As human beings. It's wild that we just trip over our own feet all the time and just end up in the same spot. By the way, if you have those red flags, and if you hear something that you don't agree with, or that's a danger, let me see those red flags in the chat. That tells me you're listening, and that it really helps the algorithm, because it says that oh, you're paying attention, and you like this video.
1:22:49 Let's move on to one last clip from this guy, because this guy actually pulled out some interesting things I've never heard of before in this next clip. Interesting stuff. Watch this. But I gotta show this real quick. Again, I came out of the occult, and if you don't think that these things are an explanation to explain the way the rapture of the church, this is messages, these are actual messages that I still have in my library behind me, from these people who are, quote, receiving messages from these so-called aliens. And listen to what they're saying. This is real quick. There will be great shiftings within humanity on this planet. It will seem like chaos and turmoil is forming, nations rising against nature, earthquakes more frequently. That's no big shakes. That's in the Bible. It's been there for 2,000 years. But they said this. The people who leave the planet during the time of the Earth changes do not fit here any longer. They are stopping the harmony of the Earth. When the time comes, perhaps 20 million people leave the planet at one time, there will be a tremendous shift in consciousness for those who are remaining. And just one more real quick. They said, quote, our rescue, and this is what the aliens are supposed to be telling them to tell the rest of us, our rescue ships will be able to come in close enough at the twinkling of an eye. This will be the method of evacuation. There will be many visits from galaxies and interdimensional beings to rescue people. Quote, some will never die on Earth. These missing people have been taken. They went off in a liftoff in the UFOs.
1:24:16 And I remember reading that as a New Ager, a non-Christian, and it wasn't only until after I got saved, and I read the book that I used to scoff about, and I'm going like, wait a second. This is a perfect excuse for the rapture of the church. And so if we're getting close to that event, the rapture, and if they're going to use this as an excuse, Allison, what should we expect in the news? They're going to start admitting it more and more, and that's exactly what's happening right now. Incredible. Well, Billy, thank you so much for shedding light on all of this today. It's such a fascinating subject, and I'm so glad that you were able to join us, too. So I'm going to pause it right there. There are a number of things in there that I'm a little concerned about, but it's interesting. What's the thought I thought was interesting is, although I don't necessarily believe in a pre-rapture, I do believe that in the coming of God, no one's going to forget that. I mean, it's man, but could it be that, I'm just saying, this is just a theory of gears turning in my head, don't take this as Brad said this on his channel, or any of us, but what if this recent theory of the pre-rapture actually did happen, but it wasn't because of God? Just think about that for a second. What if we did have UFOs? I mean, that whole thing was written, if that whole thing was written by demons, if it was, I can't verify that, and we had things come, and it took nominal Christians that went to church, but they weren't saved. What on earth would we think?
1:25:54 All the pastors would say, look, we were the right ones. We've been telling you that this was going to happen all along, and all these people were taken. You've got to listen to these aliens, because they are the righteous ones. They are part of God. They've already taken the good people away. Man. If there were a pastor left behind saying, this is what we told you about, I'd be like, are you raptured, buddy? I was thinking the same thing. Where are you gone, buddy? What are you doing here? Somebody's got some skeletons in their closet. Yeah, definitely. Well, you have to ask, how could it be done? Ooh, it begs the question. Now we're getting into the theoretical area. Yeah, I know. We can't base it off of anything other than opinion, and maybe just a little bit of theorizing.
1:26:50 Disclaimer, ahead of everything else. It's a disclaimer. If there was some type of raptured people, like this guy saying, what did he say, 20 million people? I guess. Yeah, 20 million. That was it. I mean, 20 million, that's a drop in the bucket when you look at Earth's population. I could easily see, you could fake 20 million people going, especially with the type of special effects stuff you have these days, or even just the witnesses. You know, because there's a lot of weird things that happen, and you can look this up. This is like, like I said, I want to get conspiratorial, but there are weird events sometimes where you'll see some disasters happen, and the same people will show up and give accounts and that type of a thing. I've seen some of that before. It's like crisis actors are, crisis actors are used in a totally non-conspiratorial sense, because the government agencies have to drill and do different things, so they have to have like a screaming civilian standing there, and someone gets hired to do that, and paid to do that, but you can take that actor and just bring them over, and you can simulate a scenario.
1:28:10 It's really weird, actually. Before the pandemic hit, all of the governments, they got together, and they did like this simulation, of a what-if situation, if there was a global pandemic, and it is really creepy, because they have fake news broadcasts, fake news stations, and they pretty much say word for word what happened when the actual pandemic broke out. So, that being said, you can pretty much, all that to say, you can fake anything you want these days. You could make it seem like, honestly, you could broadcast that Uruguay is gone, off the face of the Earth. You're not going to really have any way of verifying that. So, I don't know. I'm done rambling. Go ahead, John. What do you think? Well, it's really interesting, because literally, the one who was speaking, I had just watched an interview on the Sean Ryan's show. I was kind of looking at my screen to see what it was called, and there's a guy by the name of Michael Herrera, which is a U.S. Marine, encounters UFO black cops, human trafficking. And that's the name of the actual video. And I was watching on YouTube, and this Sean Ryan guy interviews all kinds of people. So, I can't say if this guy is telling the truth or not, but he testified in another group of people, headed by I think it's Dr. Stephen Greer.
1:29:36 And this guy claims that he saw uber-black projects trafficking drugs and humans. Like when he was in Indonesia. Yeah. And so, if that guy is telling the truth, maybe that's just a preparation. For what, you know, we're, um, what we just heard. You know, maybe they're preparing, oh, how are we going to transfer all these 20 million when we do the actual like, kidnapping, and then that will be the rapture. You know? I don't know. And we don't know. And we don't know what's actually planned. I will say this just to remind everybody, Michael Herrera is a Freemason. We saw that. He was the guy who, um, when you showed his clip, he was at Stephen Greer's disclosure thing, and he had the Freemason, uh, square and compass on his tie. You know, our chat was going nuts about it, pointing it out. I saw it, and I was like, no way! It can't be! Is that really it? But then I looked up a picture of him, and sure enough, I mean, he's in, like, a suit and he has a little, uh, Freemason square and compass little, you know, pin on his suit. So that guy's definitely Masonic. And anybody who watches this channel, I hope you're well-versed in the fact that Freemasons worship Satan at the highest echelons, not the earlier degrees, not the old guys who are barbecuing and raising money for charity.
1:30:59 I feel bad for them, because I don't really know what they're associated with. It's the perfect front. You do a nice little charity thing, and no one's gonna look behind the scenes, but, um, I wouldn't, I don't necessarily trust the testimonies of Freemasons. I tend to, as soon as I know you're involved in something like that, it's like, psh, because I don't know. They're very comfortable with lying, so. Fascinating. No, it's totally true. I agree. I don't take his account as being, you know, the gospel, obviously. Um, but, it's just, it was just a thought, because it was comparative to what the other guy was saying. Interesting. I don't know any Freemasons, but I have seen their license tags on the back of their cars. But, um, so, anyways.
1:31:49 The next guy I want to bring up is, uh, his name is, he's Representative Andre Carson. He's organized the first congressional UFO hearing since the 1960s. We talked about that when it came out. I'm just gonna show you 15 seconds of this clip, and we'll come right back. Unidentified aerial phenomena are a potential national security threat, and they need to be treated that way. Congress held its first hearing in 50 years on the threats posed by unidentified flying objects. As you saw there, it was chaired by Indiana Congressman Andre Carson. So, I'm gonna pause it right there, because I don't care about what else is going on there, but what I think is interesting is that he's in a new documentary by James Fox, who created The Phenomenon, another documentary about UFOs. This is an excerpt from that, from the director's own Twitter page, about what they're about to talk about. This is due out next summer, so a year from now. This is amazing, folks. Listen carefully to what he says. Are people ready?
1:32:49 For some kind of revelation that deals with extraterrestrial life, life that is interdimensional, life that is otherworldly, and so that kind of revelation unearths people's beliefs, their religious beliefs, their spiritual beliefs, what they've been taught all their lives. And so, if such a revelation were to present itself, how does it get presented, and can it be done in a way that people are accepting of it? Wow. So this is your Congress, folks. This is what they're thinking about right now, and they're publicly saying that due out in a year, that they're considering, what does this mean for religion, and how do we tell people this stuff? What are your thoughts on this, Matthew? It's always about the religious people. Always, always, always. What about the secular people, huh? What about those scientifically-minded people who said, there's no way that this could happen? Logically, there's no way that this could happen. No, we don't really care about them. It's the religious people. It's, really, it's the fundamentalist people is what they're getting at, because we've heard time and time again from different politicians that the issue they have isn't necessarily with any other group of people, but Bible-believing Christians, people who are in the Word of God, because they know that they're going to break this out, it's going to go loose, but there's going to be us, there's going to be that remnant who says, uh-uh, no way, this is demons. We know it's demons, and it's going to be very frustrating, because they're going to show up and do all their false miracles, they're going to try every convincing trick in the book, but fortunately for us, we're in prayer with God. We've got this great relationship, and He's going to come in and intercede on our behalf and make sure that we, are not trapped in this delusion. We'll stay, we'll be a bell just ringing out and proclaiming the truth. It's really an honor. I know that it's a scary time, it's a time of trouble that the world has never seen before, but what an honor to be able to stand in the gate and to say, you know, thus sayeth the Lord, with a loud strong voice, you know, get ready for that.
1:35:17 Absolutely. What do you think, John? Um, I find it very interesting, I mean, that they have such a tight timescale on it. I mean, this isn't the first time, and you brought it up in one of your most recent videos, your last things, about how there is a lot of dates coming out now, and a lot of like, oh, we need to hurry this up, and if you even look at the timescale since like, you know, 2017, since the first video, the Tic Tac came out and whatnot, it was like Tic Tac, and then it was like three years, nothing. And then it was like they started doing, other things, and now it's just like every few weeks they're pumping out new vids, new witnesses, and all kind of craziness. So, it is clear that they're ramping up their propaganda, if you want to use that word. And they clearly have an end date, you know, they clearly have an agenda, they know when this needs to be out in public by, you know, and this guy's staying a year and stuff. So, I find that very fascinating, and it's clear that, yeah, in like what Matt just said, the general religious person will just accept it with open arms. The only people that will be the problem is the fundamentalist, or as I've even heard them say, fundamental terrorists, you know, fundamentalist terrorists. Wow. Yes. Yes. That has been said, literally, there was a U.S. general who said it. Yeah, and terrorism, too, has been reclassified. You could be a terrorist for spreading the gospel. They could consider you a terrorist, because you're coercionist, someone else. That's why in a previous broadcast we did, it talked about that the Pope said, no proselytizing, you know, don't do that. That's an act of violence. It's an act of violence to spread the truth of God's word to somebody.
1:37:04 Man, I think it's pretty plain what side you're on. There's no violence in spreading the truth about Jesus Christ. That is what we're called to do. It is a loving action. Make sure it's a loving action, too. We're not out there to fulfill this stereotype that they have of us where we just, we really hate you. We hate you so much that we want you to accept Jesus into your heart. No, that's not what we're about. We are people who have been touched by God, and we have had changes in our life. We have this beautiful witness and testimony to give to others, and we, above all else, we can direct people to the word of God, because that's where they're going to foster their own relationship with Jesus. Exactly. And speaking of the word of God, I think the reason why this stuff is happening so fast is because the Bible says right here, Revelation 12, 12, therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them, woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea, for the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that his time is short, or that he has a short time. And that's what's happening. He realizes it's over. It's done. He's got to get going, and otherwise he's going to lose it, and it's already been prophesied. He's got to lose it. So we're about to go through some stuff, and it's not going to be fun, but what God promised is that he will always be with us, and he'll make it right in the end, that we just got to hang in there and keep our focus on him.
1:38:37 Anybody have any last thoughts? John? Anything last? No, I mean, very well put. I mean, yeah, it is we are going to be, or the fundamentalists will be, the, I mean, if you think about it, right now, if somebody says, oh, they caught a terrorist in, you know, Black Sea or whatever city, you're like, oh, good, good, good for them, man, but they caught the bad guy, you know? And so if you just, no matter how you look at it, if you frame whoever that is, you know, if you don't like the person, you say, oh, they're a terrorist, then you get, it's easy for everybody to just accept it as, oh, that's fine, we can talk about it, and you're pretty much driven away. Yeah. I can totally see it. Yeah. Matthew, any last thoughts? Just the same old thoughts I've been having for years at this point, Bradley, and that's just I need to be reading my Bible as much as I possibly can, praying for the Holy Spirit to lead me into truth, and praying for the individuals that we see on this broadcast.
1:39:36 You know, we do, we see a lot of different people, sometimes as news anchors, sometimes as politicians, sometimes as the ufologists themselves, but all of these people need prayer. They need some serious prayer. So, in your own time, when you're in your own conversation with God, bring up some of these people, by name if you can, or, you know, God knows who they are, so even if it's, oh, that guy I saw in the video who said this, Lord, please reach him, you know, please bless him, make that calling on their heart, because time is running short. The devil knows that he has a short time, and we know that it's a short time as well. So, the harvest is great, and the laborers are few, so let's labor for the Lord. Absolutely. Absolutely. John, would you pray us out tonight? Of course. Okay. Dear Lord, thank you for this wonderful night. Thank you for this amazing chat that we've had tonight. Help it to bless somebody in the chat, even if it's just one person, but hopefully many more. Help them to be able to use the knowledge they've gained tonight to search the Bible, learn the truth for themselves, and pray for the Holy Spirit's guidance in their life. Help everyone around the world.
1:40:52 Help this to go into different languages, into different countries, and get this message out in any way we can. Thank you for everything that we've done here tonight, and that you've done through us, and you're now our prayer. Amen. Amen. Amen. Alright, guys, stick around for the little after show we'll put on Patreon, and I'll be right back in just a moment. Folks, I just want to say thank you for watching, and if you appreciated this, and you think this is an important message, please consider contributing. Go to patreon.com slash strangenormal. My name is Bradley, and this has been pure strangeness, absolute normalcy, strangenormal. See you next time. Thanks for watching this segment. Subscribe to our channel and join us every Thursday night for more daily strange topics and more. Find us on Discord by accessing patreon.com slash strangenormal. See you there.