0:00 so this isn't scripted and i don't really know what to say about this but i i met someone in roswell that was doing something similar to what i was doing in a different way his name is well the werewolf of roswell he has a very unique approach to how he does things and and this was some of the video i caught how many aliens died in roswell how many not enough so so obviously i haven't uh really talked about roswell much yet i got a bunch of footage i want to show you guys and everything that's going on out here but there were some christians out there who were very much protesting this some of them were uh uh non-denominational some of them are some of them were um that really knew what was going on it's fascinating to see what uh what was happening out there but the guy who is the werewolf of roswell in particular was uh a very unique had a very unique approach to all this stuff and so as we were out there looking at the parade and stuff that went by he had this different way of of doing things that i thought was kind of unique i followed him out to the the central area the the main uh city hall i guess and where he did his demonstration with a green alien uh cutout werewolf of roswell come see us i guess not anyway after i got to i got to know him a little bit um he he asked me if he could do a podcast with me on his um on his channel and so he got to interview me i talked a little bit about the thing i'm doing and and uh getting around out there um what's unique about i think about um seventh day adventists is that we have so much information that we don't have a lot of information that we don't have a lot of information that we don't have a lot of information that has been pushed out there uh by our church founders specifically ellen white that has said blatantly that this is going to be a big deal in the last days and it is absolutely going to have something to do with extra these demonic entities these fallen angels claiming to be extraterrestrials and so i thought you know what let's talk about it we're going to talk about on this podcast and i i got an opportunity to to um talk to his about the interesting things that were happening in going around and pushing this and they said they had a very difficult time getting this into the christian community why well primarily because a lot of the people that are inside the churches any church um profit off of what roswell has brought in the the 50 000 people that come every uh july 2 and and uh the the big parades and the big memorabilia and and all the alien stuff and and and and and and and and and and and and stuff that's out there that nobody wants to shut that stuff down because that's how they make money by pushing this this green or gray alien lie and so he's he said this year the year i came out was the first year that they had a big event where they had signed they got everyone to a bunch of pastors in the area marketed this to a bunch of pastors and had to come out and say hey let me present my material and show you the truth about this stuff this is the same thing that i've been going out there to a local church there and presenting my findings as well and um they were pretty floored at um at the the uh what god has given me to do because it's it's very difficult to get into the churches out there but but so many has picked up on this in my church so they wanted to know more about the seventh day evidence church and about the ministry that i'm i'm doing in presenting the two biggest problems and the two main topics that we as christians should be talking about which is spiritualism in the last days and of course worship revelation 13 revelation 16 so here's that podcast for you i know it's a long intro but i wanted you guys to have understanding what we are actually doing i'm going to jump right into it right now hey greetings bradley burnham greg greetings whoever's watching as well here on bitcoin decentralized and youtube and stuff like that i'm guy guy malone greetings from sunny roswell new mexico you may know that uh bradley my guest this hour this sunday and i met face to face at the christian symposium on aliens the what the second christian symposium on aliens held here in roswell new mexico during the roswell ufo festival that is a huge annual event uh typically known worldwide for drawing
4:51 thousands of people literally from all over the world just to celebrate in a fun way a few are serious um the roswell crash of 1947 the unknown incident um that is still debated today bradley and i both have our opinions on that one uh we won't really talk much about that today all that but the fact is that uh brad uh you may know myself and joe jordan many others have done christian works on aliens we've arrived as a joint statement to kick off this year's roswell ufo we had five local pastors i'm talking sunday morning on the clock in the pulpit local pastors this is historic uh showed up and signed with a big black sharpie something that our panel of five uh behind i guess you'd say the christian symposium on ufos and aliens myself joe jordan jackie allen or bruce collins and derrick gilbert you know the names some of them probably if you're watching this live you're probably aware of the fact that the alias of the alien phenomenon got it so tight that we were only arguing literally about commas and punctuation or capitalization of latin plural words we got a doctrinal statement saying that we as christian believers ministers have come to the conclusion through research not any jerk reaction look at me i'm on the pulpit tonight um that the alien phenomena the the very real thing that we're experiencing is demonic and we're going to sign our name and draw the line in the sand of roswell new mexico five different denominations even sign that it's demonic it's very real um that's kind of huge and just providentially a man i'd never met before although i had been affiliated with a sci-fi event here at the roswell uh ufo festival i'm not this year and i was kind of holding the christian symposium at a different location uh whether it's god or nature abhors a i was so thrilled to hear after being sent a link to bradley's youtube channel that he was going to be in roswell at the event that i'd set up for others had before you know uh putting it simply god had a witness there uh to his word but what what what is his word it turns out bradley communicated with joe jordan my partner in ministry for almost 30 years 25 they connected and uh bradley was already touring the region and i was so thrilled to hear that he was going to be if i'm telling the story right with the seventh day adventist church he has the strange normal youtube uh podcast and also was giving out this book in roswell i said giving it away it's color front and back it's not a thousand pages or anything like that doesn't have to be little more than a tract for sure it's meaty with color photos inside bradley will tell you how many of these and it's covering the what we'll just call the in ufo deception as messengers of light that's what bradley was here to impart to roswell we'd never met before so it was wonderful that joe was able to invite bradley to come at the very tail end 6 p.m of our christian symposium on aliens as a recognized peer expert on the same page more or less at least same as the other pastors in the room we don't agree on everything but we agree on this demonic part about aliens it's a deception so as an expert in the field that i'd never heard of and i'm old and joe and i both know you know we're holding symposiums in case it's like it's our last huzzah at this point getting crazy but uh with all that prelude god i did not plan all that and it's a good thing because if i'd written it out it had taken 20 minutes to get it all out but welcome from and to sunny roswell new mexico welcome to um finance it's faith bradley i wanted you to just lead off take the wheel and tell us a about your youtube channel two sentences that i forgot to do bradley burnham is the creator of strange normal a media project dedicated to examining current events through the lens of bible prophecy his work focuses on helping believers understand the times and remain grounded in scripture strange normal podcast bradley tell us what's on your podcast recently what you're doing in albuquerque and eventually about your uh speaking experience in roswell and everything take the wheel yeah yeah no it's it's been it's been a amazing journey this thing has has taken me uh places that i i hadn't even thought
9:43 about so so this is it started out with just a a short documentary called starfall star starfall movie.com you can still get there and i i thought that was interesting to kind of uh compare the the whole alien thing to christendom because i had noticed that the alien thing was kind of there was definitely some christian uh characteristics about it that what we needed to talk about from the bible and then it just kept growing and growing and growing people wanted to know more and more about it and so i decided to do a podcast about it and that's how this whole thing grew into strange normal but the fascinating thing about the whole project was that um that since since it kept growing and kept growing uh there there wasn't a week where i didn't have information to talk about from a spiritual perspective and i was just like okay i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna spiritual understanding of this whole amazing situation that's happening right now. And I thought it would just die eventually. You know, I've talked about everything. I've talked about Bob Lazar. I've talked about, you know, I've talked about Roswell. And then I started getting requests from churches. And I was like, I was like, you guys want me to fly? Yeah, I'll pay for me if you want me to come all the way out there. People are willing to pay for me to come out there and talk about this important issue. And I started realizing this is such an important issue that it's going to become a very important thing for people to understand as we near the close of history. And so I think I think we're doing important work. I'm shocked. I love to hear that because I am I moved to Roswell in 1999 with this message on my art, organized conferences, spoken at a lot of conferences that I was the organizer of. But I've spoke, I think I can count on my hand, the handful of churches I've spoken in. You must be living right, obviously. Got a good reputation in your community and in your denomination, I'll bet, too, right? Go ahead and unpack that. You know, I mentioned it. I know it might be a weird, sensitive topic to some Christians, but I just I don't want you to hold back if you're used to having to for for mixing denominational appearances or whatever like that.
11:45 Are you a member of or or more sponsored by the Seventh-day Adventist Church? I'm a member of. I'm not. I don't work for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. But I am a member of and I worked for a a a separate. Well, it was half separate when I worked for the ministry. It's the largest ministry in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I worked for half the time. It was a part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. In the second part, it was not. So I guess you could say I worked for the church for a little while for about five years and then five years I didn't work for the church. But it was a writer researcher. Is that correct? For well, I know. No, actually, I worked in I.T. and media. And so, oh, well, that totally tracks you guys. I've been shoulder to shoulder with this guy and he's got a selfie stick, you know, that I can't wait to see those videos. So just just making sure that every so we had we had programs that I had to edit every week to a certain length for the satellite and TV broadcasting and and all this stuff on something called three ABN, which is the three angels broadcasting network, which is a part of part of another ministry, part of the church that does a thing all over the world. But but so it was a professional system all set up.
12:57 But I realized that once we I left to go to be with my family in Tennessee, they were retiring. I wanted to talk more about and continue my my my journey of talking about what's happening in the world. And so that's how this podcast was kind of born. Fantastic. And I'm just I'm not going to let it go for some reason. It's on my heart. I'm not an SDA member. But what? I think what's really caught my eye is as many years as Joe Jordan, I many names, you know, I'm not going to even start to list, you know, the things have given of themselves to be in Roswell, barely made a nook and cranny into the church world. Let's say outside of Gary Bates creation dot com and he's retired now. Personally, he is the UFO ministry in his book, Alien Intrusion, a bestseller on Amazon. But as far as making a dent into the church world. When I was here in the 00s, I had a little storefront on Main Street that gave biblical books like, you know, yeah, books with biblical perspectives.
14:03 I the fact there's a lot of lunatic fringe Christians like me and you that believe, you know, we're looking into this and wanted, you know, believe that the Bible is sufficient and that God would answer those who seek a knock. But the fact that when I moved from Nashville to Roswell, I received one hundred dollars a month from my church. And I'm telling your story here, not mine. I'm getting to your story. I received one hundred dollars a month from a church to tell the world in Roswell that UFOs were demons. After being here a little while, my church plugged in where I was attending because I plugged into their vision first. I hung around for nine months or a year before I started my little storefront. And by then they'd seen me enough and they they they didn't disagree with all of the UFO stuff right off the bat. Nobody does. You and I probably disagree on many things. No big deal. But they threw one hundred dollars a month at it as well. And then it was a church from Reserve New Mexico as tourists seeing all of the alien idols on Main Street walk into my place and they write me a check for fifty dollars and they ask me my mailing address.
15:11 So why I bring this up is there was a season going on 20 years ago where to any Christian in the paranormal field, the strange normal. The lunatic fringe, as we are, heard that I was getting financial support from three different churches monthly. I was the golden boy. But you must be the anointed one. Now, if you look a little closer, I'm really not. But I was marketable and in Roswell. I had location, location, location. Why I bring all this up. I was floorboarded. What's the number? Speaking in churches. On side speaking in churches. Oh, oh, how many? How many books? Yeah. How many books did your denomination? How much money? At least not a number, but a number of books.
16:03 Let's say they cost a quarter each or a buck and a quarter each. Yeah, that's not what I'm asking. How many of these did your church give you to give away in Roswell? We. Well, that's not the only book. So but my point that is that is the the sharing edition. So I have a book for my denomination. That has a lot of the early church writings in it, so that prove it from their church writings so that because the problem is there's a lot of people inside the church that says, well, I know the Bible says that, but, you know, our church would have taught it a long time ago if it was true. And so and so I had to make two. What is this? That's inside your book. You have. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your denomination does. Absolutely. OK. There's more available if you like this. I mean, I've seen Jehovah's.
16:53 I've seen Jehovah's Witnesses books. I've seen Jack Chick tracks. They're not cheap either. Yeah. Yeah. OK, please. So you said it in Roswell on the UFO phenomena. How many of these were printed? We have about that. We have 70,000 of those printed right now. And they go so fast. I mean, because I'm giving away and it's by donation. So every time someone I send a pack out, I put a little flyer in that says, hey, if you thought this was important, go ahead and donate. You can you can donate back here so everyone can use one, not not just, you know, the rich or the wealthy, somebody that has the the the widow's might that can't afford it. She can afford it, too, if you donate back and help out. And so through that process, I created a nonprofit that that allows me to take the money back in and push it back in the book ministry, back in the book ministry and continue to cycle it through so that it it can reach as many people as possible.
17:51 Fascinating. And again, it's just. A true sign of favor, at least from this side, looking at you at that, if you have a large denomination putting that kind of money and and giving you venues to speak on in their in their on their pulpits, literally. And then who is one guy, Joe Jordan, whom we both know well, has been on this program with us before you and Joe Jordan. Let's let's start there. You and Joe Jordan, since my audience might be a little familiar with him. He's a NASA researcher who, through research a few decades ago, as a hippie back then, discovered that alien abduction was stopped in the name of Jesus when the person called out like an exorcism or deliverance. And. That was hard to swallow, but the repeated numbers showed that it was measurable, observable and repeatable, just like science is supposed to be, and the numbers and the consistency. Convinced him that alien abduction was not from outer space aliens, but it was a spiritual experience, i.e.
18:59 Demonic, more or less, because Jesus made them flee. So you coming from out of the blue, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not in the know by any means, invited Joe to speak in Roswell, New Mexico, at a Seventh-day Adventist church, right? Yes. All right. What did you guys talk about? Yeah. Well, we went over his testimony. And how he became from an atheist to a Christian and understanding what this whole process was. I mean, it really helped him understand it as he's putting pieces together, going, this is a puzzle. I'm realizing that this something has there's something there's something going on here that is more than just that atheism can can explain. And he actually explained three three things that really helped him understand this from a Christian perspective. One of them you just touched on was that this stuff goes away in the name of Jesus Christ.
19:51 That was massive, because that is it didn't go away in the name of Buddha, Krishna, it went it went or Joseph Smith or whoever you want to want to put into your it went away in the name of Jesus Christ. And so it has to be something that is against Christianity. And we know from the Bible, Christians do that. Nothing flees except from Jesus Christ's name. If it's demonic, then, you know, it runs away. And so there's there's that. But the other two things that I thought were very fascinating. There were that when these things come as experiencers experience, they they they oftentimes at the end of their experience, they they seem to have a most of the time, not always, but most of the time it attacks Christianity and doesn't take any other thing. And so that's that's interesting. So he put two and he said, you know what, there there has to be something Christian about this. But on the third thing he revealed, and this this is what really helped under our understanding of this. And what really. Solidified our relationship as I'm talking about this around the nation is that usually, well, not usually, but sometimes in this experience, there is a what appears to be a dead relative that appears with the experience.
21:09 And they usually tell them to do something against the Bible. Weird. Yeah. Against the Bible. So what he said, if this thing is demonic, it flees in the name of Jesus. It's and also. Something is coming to them, appearing as someone that they knew, and it's telling, for instance, it would be something like, hey, by the way, mother, my I'm a dead, dead son, you married the wrong. My father wasn't the right person to marry. You need to divorce him and go marry someone else. God told me this or something to this effect. And if that was the case that they would do that, then this whatever this is going on here isn't from God. It wouldn't tell you to do something. You get. God's word. And so Joe said, you know, this has to be a demonic apparition. And we see that in the Bible, because back in the Hebrew days, they were told that it's necromancy to talk to the dead.
22:07 Don't go talking to the dead. Don't go. Don't go thinking that this is a good thing. I mean, you see this stuff only in seances. That's demonic in itself. So so it's it bared the characteristics. And I'm on. I'm logging here. Sorry about that. But I want you. That's fascinating. I want you. Actually, what two things that came to mind immediately, just because one, I know a little bit of your work, but also Joe and on necromancy. But I have. Without coming out and saying, Bradley. Unpack for us what you believe. What were you teaching in Albuquerque? What were you teaching in Roswell? What is your book about that? I keep flashing. The most I can get out of you is. Almost like me learning about you was your I'd give you the mic, so to speak.
22:56 And you're like, here's what was needed that I learned from Joe. And the humble spirit, a to not self-promote, but also. That is, I think, is required of us in this field. I don't know everything you might, but you probably don't think you do. Joe doesn't know everything. Joe and I don't agree. You and I may not as well. And you're humble. Spirit to come on here as a guest and not self-promote is like just. I am undone. Good man. Good man. Appreciate it. I would love to get into. You shared what Joe brought. And I gave a pretty decent intro that without opening it too much to what we believe. The fact that if pastors are signing off this now and giving you space to speak.
23:49 What in your research, then? What do you think makes you like-minded? What did you come from that make you first snap and say, this is demonic? Was there an aha moment? Was there a personal experience, pure theology, an abductee comes to church begging for help and instead of kicking him out of the office for once, a pastor actually says, let me pray with you about that. Go ahead. But why do you think or do you and then kind of support what makes you believe aliens are demonic? As you. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a number of things that came together at the same time. But I was going through. I had. I had left college. I went to Hawaii to do a startup company with a friend. It was a it was an amazing experience. But I came back after 2008 because the economy dipped. You know, when the economy dipped in 2008, I came back and I said. I needed to learn a little bit more about the Bible.
24:47 I was challenged on something that a friend of mine challenged me on. And I said, you know what? Let me go through. A six month course from my denomination to understand a little bit. Understand what what's going on here. And through that process, I came together with about 20 different guys about the same age. We were all learning and we were on the same page with the stuff. And they started saying, you know what? You need to look into this. This this is a very interesting thing. I mean, we just share things while we were while we were in the dorm with each other. And I said one of the things they said was, number one, look into this guy named Joe Jordan. But number two, they said, look into this guy. Name named Roger Morneau and Roger Morneau was a was a French Canadian guy that was an atheist that was being groomed into the occult. And one of the things that he that he came out of the occult, unfortunately, because a co-worker stepped in and said, I'm going to give you Bible studies.
25:42 I'm going to I'm going to show you something from the Bible. I'm going to give you Bible studies every night. And he says, I, I realized where I was and I needed to come out of the occult. But he said one of the things. He realized through that thing. I mean, this was a real occult type thing. This wasn't, you know, people in hoods that were, you know, worshiping in a field somewhere around an owl or anything. But it was it was an actual it was an actual thing where they had these beings appear and they would paint them so they could they would paint their likenesses so they could worship them. And so this this this they would be given powers like they were lawyers. And so that's that's the essence. And then I went from my blurry vision to it on the big bird. And then he said, Master, first is where is a segregated Nastapp Cutter? There's a set of As he said that video Gö announcing that Bill Gates will be in charge of tonight's presidential speech.
26:43 And he said, you know what, I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here at the end of the 그리고 I'm earshenko a little bit. I'll see that footage. I'm waiting for it to come out. It's real easy. My of you to check with me. off this whole spiritualism on earth and i thought okay okay so so rephrasing this is aliens are said to be uh demonic because i've seen what joe says and now they're going to play an active this is going to be an active storyline and i call it the narrative the false narrative in in the end of time we need to do something about this and so i started working for that ministry i worked for about 10 years got married met a girl there and i started telling them hey this is a big deal we need we need to do websites about this we need to talk about this nobody wanted to talk about aliens and so and so i was like you know i i needed to um i needed to do this on my own and that's what started the channel that's started your channel strange normal yeah yeah that was about five or six years ago now um because it was around covid when i put a a a big metal building up and i said you know what let's have worships we're gonna have little little get-togethers every week over at my place bonfires and then covid happened and no one would show up and so i told the pastor i said all right we're gonna go online let's make this into uh like produce a studio out of this so um that's what and i said what are we going to talk about well we started doing bible studies it really blast off as as as i had hoped it would and so i started talking about this alien thing and people latched onto it pretty good so after the cult guy the french canadian guy making a prediction about that did you follow through with other types of what people would might just classically call ufo research or abductees or deep i guess demonology since we're even talking about that just just returning there's two things i was going to return to was and you can go either way we got all the time you want we can end at the top of the hour if you have anywhere to be of course thanks i know it's a sunday uh you but hey anything else that made you just snap and realize this is totally demonic maybe that experience opened the door to learning more but also before i forget the two things i said i liked your humility uh and the fact that we're all still learning here is very refreshing to be reminded of i tried to say that during our symposium event all the way leading into it being it is another thing and you're and you're doing it but there was something you said the occult necromancy since we haven't unpacked it and it's still kind of in the headlines you did a whole youtube uh video on uh the steven spielberg disclosure movie disclosure day thank you that's your youtube channel there and i noticed necromancy and all like you said the abductee experience people are told to do things like that and i noticed that there's a lot of things against the bible my research bears that out i literally have a whole talk on the messages of extraterrestrials he's not kidding folks he's right you know but um the disclosure date movie itself what i'm just going to use almost your words at least that of online what demonic teachings if i'm being fair in your opinion were demonstrated in that movie alone probably proven this is demonic you don't even have to go to your history just this question that you've done on this video i'll probably nail it huh yeah yeah the first thing that comes my mind is is the remote viewing side of this or even the possession side of this inside the movie you can see you can see that something happens that's it it's as if there is a spirit that enters the body and there is a she can know things that she shouldn't know i mean this this special knowledge or something is is given to people inside the occult and and we see that throughout history i mean god uh spirits good and bad can provide humans information that we wouldn't otherwise know well there was there there was a prophet i forget what his name was but um i remember the king talking and i don't forgive me for not knowing the exact verse or anything but i remember him saying in the bible um he tells your your what you say in your bed chambers it's as if he's spying on us in our own war councils and it is the biblical argument for remote viewing i know maybe it's actually a gifting that people pervert i don't know what you believe even about gifts of the spirit do you believe that god uses words of knowledge as well
31:33 and that there's a satanic counterfeit are you to believe no occult allowed no mysticism allowed ever no words of knowledge no christian prophecy is what i'm asking i do i do believe that there is prophecy um but i i do i i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't you have to test everything with the word and so one thousand percent one and so i i don't i don't accept anything above the bible like mormonism but um i do believe that there is uh there there can be and maybe there will be in the future some some present day uh prophetic people but that's very dangerous i think because you if you accept this you got to really test it and you got to listen to everything they say because one thing that's off and it throws everything out the window to promote gifts of the spirit in the charismatic sense as if i sounded like i do believe that way but um it's yeah show me the evidence right i know this is first thing we were both going to say but i only proposed in the sense of necromancy spirits even remote viewing and in the room is it's standard christianity 101 almost to just argue that satan doesn't invent anything he simply counterfeits what god is doing so whether the discussion is true or not i'm going to put it is limited to what we see only in the old testament or whether the gifts of the new testament are applicable today that's not where i'm meant to steer the conversation other than would you say that what was featured in disclosure day was along those lines like uh like the occult hammering more and more fake supernatural stuff you mentioned necromancy like and uh you said almost a possession right is how you i know the scene you're talking about or scenes but yeah yeah absolutely yeah i i i believe that we're going to see even more of that so i think this whole thing is it a lot of what hollywood does and i don't think they there's like some guy in some room right there that's going how can i uh destroy humanity but i do believe that there there are people who have been uh let's let's say this way the writers some writers in hollywood are using occultic means to obtain the best video possible for their revenue and and so by doing that you you have this amazing script say again well said that's very well thought out in a very fair position other than hollywood is evil yeah yeah well i've thought about this for quite a while i used to work for a youtube company called and they they they produce a lot of content on on the dangers of of what hollywood media has done and i've so i've thought about this because i i don't believe tv is necessarily bad it's how it's used and when the message come across it's just a tool like everything else but there is definitely a side of it that that is represented in all forms of media disney we've seen even hard evidence hard evidence in disney of this and and so and i can go into that a little bit but i i think that i i think we've seen a lot of this stuff that um we would as christians step back and go hmm is what i'm putting into my mind a good thing or is it a bad thing and and we need to be uh make sure we things that come come into our our mind through our senses are are pure yes yeah and related just the the alien phenomena or even the movie we were talking about pure or not what else did you as a reporter it's as someone i'm not like digging digging dirt or gossip but as a reporter someone who took the time to put an hour video together on disclosure that sorry not now but um what gosh following the there's not a guy in hollywood sitting around oh yeah yeah well assuming that guy was that is steven spielberg what was the agenda beyond um or what else did you yeah and and so yeah i didn't flesh all that out um but so assuming that there is something going on behind the scenes that even that even the might not know about there is uh there is an underlying current of kind of pushing the audience forward and even um making them subtly believe something they wouldn't unless they had been given words that i hate to say it train the mind in guiding the thought processes of what to do in certain situations like for example if there was something that would appear to you in the 1800s and it was like this amazing being that you hadn't seen before you might say oh wow
36:22 that is demonic because you don't have anything that tells you otherwise but now since since the 1900s have rolled out this whole alien idea of of a bipedal humanoid type thing uh people will look up and say oh wow it's it's uh it must be an alien or for instance people right now in the government are looking in the sky and they're like oh wow it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a and saying i think i see a ufo or a uap they call them now but in the in 100 years ago we wouldn't call that a uap i mean you would look up and see a glowing thing in the sky i'm not talking about the hollywood caricature of the of a cylindrical ship i'm talking about these lights they see in the sky you know that back then back back in the in the bible times you would see these amazing things in the sky and wonder if it was if it was god if it was spiritualism if it was an angelic presence and so we've kind of been guided by hollywood to think other things i love the way you laid out a progressionally in reverse people that believe in god default to what's god doing or is that god and then you you gave the next level where is it demonic i think you did right um but then nowadays the mindset itself and this is very jacques valet this is very greg bishop the mindset actually defines what i'm seeing oh that's a ufo aliens from another planet you and i can both make the argument no evidence for life on other planets has ever even been given much less that it's ever arrived here much less conquered space travel and then earth's lightning or something yeah not for one second but anyway there's no evidence that there's life ever ever made it here um but hollywood mostly for the 50 years 70 steven spielberg definitely back to harping that hobby horse has moved us from a spiritual point of view honestly to you could say a scientific explanation but oh that must be aliens from another planet is the first default mechanism in our head things like demons and god are laughable to the modern age you know well history channel and others uh zechariah sitchin they they reverse the idea that instead of modern man is looking at miracles in the sky is that primitive man was too stupid to understand scientific craft and aliens from other worlds therefore we were dumb and called it gods and angels and i think that's kind of the spirit of the age with hollywood right now they're they're redefining the mind of the human being and they're redefining the mind of the human being and they're redefining the mindset you laid out really well back when we were a god-fearing or a church-going society we interpreted spiritually the argument today is we do so a little too much in a knee jerk way you've seen the name the mean everything i don't understand is a demon yeah okay yeah um i've reversed that meme i put it in one of the ais same style gave it right back yeah and said every miracle is a demon yeah and i think that's kind of the spirit of the age that we're living in right yeah and i think that's kind of the spirit of the age that we're living in uh i'm sorry uh you had a book i'm sorry the angel of light here is what we were touching on angels that come to us and lie you referenced the mormon church i actually got away with a newspaper column that had a picture of the mormon church i think in dc that my editor took in his travels um but the column was called when angels lie after the prince song when doves cry opening was dig if you will a scripture and that is galatians 1 8 and in the paper we i examined the claims of the mormon religion from that angel encounter you mentioned joseph young from the islam religion and his angel encounter and then the modern day ufo raelyan religion the french race car driver raelle an angelic encounter who told him he was the product of a virgin birth just like jesus was abducted and artificially inseminated mary and all that so sorry the point is it's a common lie starting cult religions left and right with these angels that do appear to people so uh as much as you want to talk about the content of this book or your work what in the world is a beautiful
41:10 beautiful woman angel of light doing addressing world leaders in washington dc what is your premise yeah yeah and i think that catches a lot of attention someone told me that that it was the easiest book to hand out especially here they're in dc i'll talk to you a little about going to dc and talking to some of these congress people but um what what i'm going to take you back first um back to when i i had that big building and i changed it into a studio and um i started talking about this topic on youtube instead because nobody else was talking about this topic and i had to do it myself and i'll put my credibility on the line but the but what i what another thing i i discovered wasn't just marjoram or no it wasn't just joe jordan but it was also that there was this guy five ten how long was it seven years ago now that uh that had just left the pentagon and this is this is the the narrative there's there's some discussion on this but he had just left the pentagon uh because his christian superiors were telling him to not talk about this about what he had seen in classified um in the classified setting so this was of course lou elizondo and lou elizondo was was frustrated about this he was frustrated that that his christian superiors would say this is demonic and that you should not be opening this case and you should not but put this together and him and um uh chris uh i forget his name now um what's this uh christopher millen millen millen millen oh um christopher millen got together and they they said you know we need to take this this this evidence declassify the videos get them into the news then we can push congress to push our christian leadership to do something about this and i thought wait a second this is this is they're they're they're going to try to push a demonic narrative this is essentially what's what's happening here they're pushing this narrative forward so that uh and they're they're they're bypassing bypassing their christian their christian superiors by using congress someone needs to say something about this so i i i started putting that documentary together now that let push the whole thing forward gave some gave some uh uh period people kind of started contacting me and saying hey can we donate to help create something else because what i realized uh is is guy is that not everyone learns the same way not everyone's going to come on youtube to learn something and and so i needed to have we have a lot of uh older people that uh might only learn something and i needed to have a lot of people that uh might only learn it from the pulpit and they might only accept the truth if it's taught so i had to go places and people other people want to learn for themselves so they want to open a book and and they read it for themselves and so reproduced i produced a book that was basically my sermon and and showed all the evidence leading up to what i have found about this and one of the things was the government is deeply involved and this sounds so conspiratorial but it's the truth and it's coming out more and more in mainstream media more and more and more we're seeing this that um they had there has been something happening the government's not i don't think very sure what's going on but i i think that they know that there's something happening and they don't want to say we don't have control of it because the government's supposed to have control of everything and protect yeah to protect us and so they are just like don't talk about that stuff um we can't we don't know why that stuff's over our airspace we don't know why they're in in the no-fly zones we don't know why they're over our our um our nuclear facilities we don't know any of that so don't tell don't whatever you do don't tell the public don't tell the news outlets that we don't have control over this stuff because we don't know yet so so they have they have this idea that there is something else out there and since they can't control it since the 40s or whatever then it has to be aliens because they don't have a christian they most of them that are trying to bring this out don't have a christian worldview on this and the ones that do don't want to have anything to do with this so they don't have control over it so you have this this spiritual battle that's happening in in congress right now and if you want to jump in on any of that i had more to say but i think there's there's fascinating break well i'll back up you said louise elizondo was frustrated the normal person is going to get off asking just where do christian researchers get off suppressing information or where do christian superiors get off suppressing research and information what's that about yeah i know you know it's it's fascinating so there was a group inside the the the government of different different
45:59 areas of the government called the collins elite it was a a group of people and i don't know if it was a a recognized department or anything it was just something they happened to call themselves at the time this i think this came out in the early 90s i think it was in the early 90s i think it came out in uh in a book called final final events in the um in the 90s yeah and they nick redfern go ahead uh nick redfern interviewed joe jordan myself and mike heiser oh i didn't know that or final event wow correct how about that well in the 2010 ish actually 10 12 oh what did you say i said wow that's that's full circle i i didn't even realize you guys were doing this back we're uh doing this back then that's fascinating i think all three of us have our own individual chapters correct uh nick has been invited to roswell on my dime and the city of roswell's dime a couple of times to give that exact talk actually well i am showing my ignorance here because i have not i have not finished the book yet so uh that that's very fascinating but i knew that that came from that book and i need to read it but but i do know that collins elite was government agency within the pentagon that determined from research that ufos and alien abduction is demonic and now they're burdened what do we do with this information that's your fascinating yeah yeah that's that's exactly everything i know about it but now i'm going to go back and i'm going to actually uh dig further into that because i i didn't realize you guys were so deeply involved and and and so not involved just just interviewed not at all just got interviewed in a book very cool very cool but no you wore the costume i thought you were the maestro on collins i needed something bro had a military general outfit on from like the cover of his book collins elite at the roswell ufo festival you're not wearing no no no this is just the that's my shirt my glasses no it you know i figured you would because of the costume a little bit that uh you you came representing that view though that our government has some factions of our government are being they they don't want the government investigating it if i'm following you because it's demonic open doors portals and it's going to end horribly i think we've seen that as true but then there's another faction or maybe the same faction that doesn't want the collins elite talking because all of a sudden that endorses the bible and christianity if a government group concludes demonic then the bible is true one might leave so they can't open that can of worms either have you like processed that stuff yeah and i went to a couple of lou elizondo's uh private talks yeah i i i paid for them because i was i was deeply curious on what he's telling other people in in the private and what what is he saying about this stuff and and uh it you know he he had a fascinating talk on on some things and what the government research is is doing on on this stuff and what i think it really comes down to one of the questions i asked him uh i have it on my youtube channel me during his q a which by the way i think he was trying not to talk to me yeah but but uh i have you interacted ever before i had not no i'm um uh but i i do i do know i mean i made that documentary and i had his his face in it so i'm sure you know if people are following this it's a very small community this niche is so yeah yeah they're like bro did you see this screen yeah some christian guys talking about you on this thing you're on this list so uh but it was funny i mean i just a little bit about that because as i had my hand raised first i mean as soon as they say q a i'm like i got my questions and um and they they they went around the the whole room and they went around the whole room and they like avoided me the whole time and finally he's like uh let me go to a staff member and the staff members well said well this guy's had his hand raised the entire time i'm gonna give my question to him so they they uh they did that and uh and but my question was angel unawares i know yeah and so they they said look i said i said lou um are you guys communicating with these things and can you talk to us a little bit about that and i i said another question i forget what it was but um oh can you tell me what your superior how what evidence you have that your superiors uh disliked it so much and boy he hemmed hod and uh didn't answer those questions at all but excellent question but he uh he he was like well you know i don't believe in that stuff i don't believe that my i don't believe my superiors are correct and so i don't want to he basically said i'm not gonna answer that question and then he said um uh there are uh we know these things are are intelligent because x y and z and there's communication other than the verbal and it's just he went around around around didn't say specifically but i believe
50:46 i do believe that there is evidence to prove that there is something else communicating and there has been communications with these things which is very concerning for a christian i think that your your government would be in communication with what they consider of the term nhi non-human intelligence which is the title of that book it covers whether you believe in aliens demons angels other time travelers nhi actually is the pretty fair catch-all term you being being honest um it's better than ufo it's better than even at our own symposium we agreed not to use the word demon because that's just too easy to get into theological hair slitting on what's the word what is a demon what's not fallen angel versus demon they're not the same and all that stuff so nhi is really blanket and it's also extremely non-committal it doesn't carry the label of an alien or uh and of a angel or demon we'll just say biblical worldview and it also leaves the door open to other yeah yeah well yeah yeah yeah and and yeah i that's that's fine if they want to call it that i mean it does it is a catch-all absolutely my concern is that they're they're communicating with these things so i put that that cover together and i said look if it's not happening now i mean this is a catch-all this is basically what the cover says in visual terms if it's not happening now it's going to happen and we need to be prepared and have an answer for what it is and here's some evidence behind it of of what is being said and so so uh yeah in the in the book yeah in the book how do i get one of these if i don't have one or range normal.org and it's right there on the front page it'll it'll guide you to the store it'll just say or org yeah strange normal.org org or just scan ur code um there is two websites on that back one is uh my 501c3 ministry uh orion media ministry that's orionmedia.tv but the strange normal is orion really i've become i've become a pleiades all right yeah well the the whole thing came from uh i found some occult writings called the raw files a raw material i think it's called and one of the things in the raw material they talk it's an 80s channeled book from the 80s and they they say they're they're they're they're they're they're one of the channeled things i mean channeling this whole demonic idea of channeling is is 100 demonic and one of the things they say in the book is that there was there is an alien race this is amazing to me because this really reveals it from the other side they're saying this from from a demonic point of view obviously but they're saying that there is there is an alien race located past the orion that has that has given us their end commandments to enslave us with and i thought enslave us with the 10 commandments the most benevolent form of of law i mean don't kill we'll kill you murder your your your don't murder don't don't commit adultery don't don't steal you're gonna enslave us so yeah oh wow but they're from orion oh that's what that's what the uh the the cult said and so i was playing off of that idea and i was like yeah you're answering them with yeah in that way that god answers no way that sits rides on the cloud yeah it's not bad so yeah i like i like connecting myself with the orion group uh um out there so so anyway that was kind of the the the but i i think it's it's fascinating that that um you have this group um where was i going with that i was talking about the government right um uh communications yeah communication communicating with the the angels of light we'll say yeah so the angel of the light you actually gave me a seg that i didn't jump on when you said we need to have an answer for this is where you sort of ended for a second lo and behold you wind up in roswell new mexico and there's a weird group of pastors well they're yeah there's a weird group that's organized some pastors somehow after 30 years of them not coming to our events because they don't want to talk about aliens any more than you experienced but we actually answered this with um if it works it doesn't work in chrome but everywhere else boldly no.com is where any ministry in the world i've dropped by the local sorry just a second here it's one of those things
55:25 when you tap your phone all of a sudden something happens all right uh i'm just gonna say we are actually inviting clergy worldwide to sign any denomination the the paper the the bullet point aliens are demonic in your research experience um but you said we need an answer for this and you actually showed up to where that's what happened in roswell new mexico when you were here that a line was drawn and i don't have in front of me but we did a big blow-up poster of the word document g-doc that these seven point bullets were on and jermaine to your point the big headline at the top was test the spirits first john's for one beloved belief not every spirit but every spirit that uh will not confess that jesus christ come in the flesh that's not from god and again back to your point and the cover of this book and the collins elite and you're you're arguing that our government is communicating with these beings we're told in the new testament to test the spirits we're told what the test is and then we're told in galatians 1 8 whether we or an angel from heaven not from hell not a demon straight no straight out of heaven brings to you any other gospel let him be accursed what in the world would an angel from heaven be doing delivering a false gospel right you imagine we know you know you've written you've lectured we're just kind of agreeing here and um maybe bouncing uh god himself sends the grand illusion at the end time even though the message is a lie would you entertain a thesis i've been playing with now based on galatians 1 8 really uh and others do you think some of these could actually we always argue it's demonic the the the new age let's argue it's really angels and we're messed up but angels in the bible do some pretty distinct things like judging unbelievers you know but um would you say is it possible that god in the same sense of thessalonians sending a grand illusion and galatians 1 8 angels from heaven with false messages that god is actually sending holy angels with false messages to test and see what we will do with them well i mean there is evidence in the bible and i you know i never entertained that idea so i but the first thing that came to my head is that uh joseph remember joseph and his coat of many colors you know joseph that ruled egypt he had to test his brothers before they entered in with him so i think that's interesting because joseph wasn't a bad guy but he definitely wanted to make sure that you know these guys these brothers weren't still the same brothers and that he could trust them again and so i think it's interesting as as a kind of like a um um a and so i i the answer is i don't know if god will send holy angels but i do know that this concept of of being tested is biblical absolutely and holy or not we're warned to test spirits we're warned to judge their messages as anything contradictory like dead relatives uh you were mentioning your source on that uh people can look at both the turner phd many alien abductee stories uh given to hurt dead relatives all over them and then um john mack head of psychiatry at harvard for a season he's now deceased but did a book called abduction where he interviewed over 300 people um same thing and you even mentioned something that he highlighted is he mentioned that he interviewed over 300 people his key feature of abducting 300 people is that they are given jobs and missions to do at the end of the world when everything's going to heck you've mentioned that earlier right yeah yeah yeah they they they are given jobs to do um when everything's going to heck that that um we need to well wait are you talking about my brain is going the abductees the abductees that he interviewed you'd mentioned it very earlier in the interview that people i may be in the movie occult maybe in the movie disclosure day in the occult that they're actually given tasks or at the end of the world something like that i don't remember i don't remember that specifically oh i messed up i messed up them no no no it's all good i i i do think i do think we have been seeing these these um these things whatever they are and i do believe that they are um they are these nhi let's call them these nhi uh appearing to specific people uh and this is going to go off on uh uh an area that i'm we
1:00:18 haven't talked about yet so stop me if you don't want to but chris bledsoe um do you know about chris bledsoe i threw his name out when you were fishing for the other guys chris oh go ahead oh that's right that's right um chris chris bledsoe was uh working creating homes he was a contractor his wife was a real estate agent and she she created these these uh they and then the government and left them destitute that he didn't have anything else and uh he called out to anything out there he said i just i just want anything out there to help me on one fishing trip when he went up to the mountains and he saw he said what looked to be the sun setting and he said i saw a second one and then i saw a third one and he said i blacked out he said later on a woman came to me she said they come out of these these orbs these fireballs and uh i like to say they're the stars says you know was uh thrown out as a third of the stars of the heavens uh in revelation and so these fireballs uh have something to do with spiritualism and and and they and a woman appeared to him that looked like an angel he said it has a white garment on an old roman dress down to her heels and uh she said that you would be you would be um uh to tell the rest of the community everyone in and you need to tell tell people about this and so and so from the bible what i think is very fascinating is that angels if you go through every story and this is this is interesting and you know i don't know what you believe about this because this this can get into some some uh some this miss um people can our christians argue about this a little bit but um you don't see in the bible that an angel appears as a female in the bible you see with you on that point you have to be really digging through non-canonical church fathers i think anyway i might be wrong if anybody's uh a guy i sat under chris ward pastor now deceased he did argue for females so i didn't see it then i i personally i won't go any further than this because i don't know what you believe about this but i personally don't believe that angels procreate i don't believe that at all and um and so i know why you bring that up yeah i so yeah uh genesis six and i don't believe they procreate amongst themselves but yeah that's us it's a contentious topic among christians but i i think that how do how does the woman show up on the book cover yeah i think that um this is uh well i think this is a one of those nhi things that are not um holy and that they're taking a form of something that is the opposite of what they know that would would be taken otherwise and so i i think if a if a if an angel an angel can appear or these fallen angels can appear as whatever they want they can satan appeared as a as a snake or a dragon or whatever you want to call it in the garden of eden and who knows so is deception a big part of their their their mo absolutely so if they're going to if they're going to show up as something different than what um good holy angels would show up as then we can kind of suspect okay that's that's probably something we don't need to do we don't need to do anything about it we don't need to do anything about it we don't need to be associating with but but that it's a very loose argument because you know a lot of a lot of christians believe that um in this generous genesis six stuff that i don't believe in but but um i i think it's fascinating to to show at least that they think the spirits is still the main one right yeah if something appears to you and as i wrote actually in that article i mentioned uh when angels dine about the mormon islam and railing religion i sort of an opening question was so let's say that an exceptionally bright uh angel or star or man does appear in your bedroom or walking with you in the woods telling you all kinds of wonderful things about the cosmos and yourself and it says to you now i want you to and in the newspaper i posed what are you going to do i already know what you're going to do you're going to do one of two things you're either going to rebuke it or you're going to start a cult yeah and that's how i opened my article that testing the spirits male female pretty ugly gray nordic reptilian we know the lot what's the test yeah testing confess that jesus christ came in the flesh yes that jesus christ is risen as a lord they will tell you 19 different stories about jesus christ none of them true they don't avoid the conversation they deceive is what my
1:05:05 research and quite limited experience will show but partnering with joe and many others glad to you on board as well um we yeah the things that we agree on and that god has called us to impart to the world are that the whole vision of the symposium are greater than the things that we are going to disagree about continue that spirit we can fight over coffee you later and all that stuff and um we don't have to be right on every detail you can tell me why it's important to you i can tell you why i'm going blah blah blah blah blah but uh the point is god has called us to expose the there's no such things as aliens visiting right do you agree a hundred percent yeah i i don't think we what you're experiencing yeah yeah yeah i i i think uh at the end of time we i'm in this this goes into further into you asked me to to to solidify um and not hold back and so one of the things that really solidified my my connection with the church my church the church was that um we have some we have some writings from our our uh uh founding people that say that there is evidence that they think that there will be some physical manifestations of entities at the end of time and those entities will make contracts even with governments i mean uh and and uh yeah so they said you know if this is going to happen we don't exactly know how it's going to happen but appears that that um saint's time is going to run short he's going to be feel like you know this isn't working as i expected obviously because god's coming back and he's going to save humanity and god and satan's whole purpose is to try to prevent that from happening and to try to uh bring in as many as as he can into his his fold and he's going to be like this this my plan isn't working the time is running short i have to step in and do something it can't just be on the the outskirts for for this whole time and so as this continues we're going to see we're going to see um what i like to call the great the controversy between uh good and evil really step out physically and i think this is the beginning of that is when you're preparing the minds of people to to see something that they wouldn't otherwise believe in that is fascinating i know we're a little past the top of the hour in case you had any other commitment uh give me um strangenormal.org is your podcast which would obviously get you to your youtube channel um contact information everything someone would like there about your books and other just off the top of your head how many videos do you have up on youtube probably i think 600 some right now videos about this there you go guys that's your sunday so it's an interesting one but what else anything else that was on your mind or heart that you know you always love to say when you get on a video or a quick interview i appreciate your time i know it took us a little bit to lock it in uh you're busy guy travel too yeah it's it's it's uh but it's good and one thing that i think is is very important um to mention is um i went up to dc for uh the 250 the two uh the rededicate america 250 and because i wanted to see exactly what was going on up there something that um as a christian i'm concerned about is someday um forcing worship on people and that's revelation 13 because that talks about the end of time there will be a mark of the beast and all that and you get wrapped up in what is that and where does come from but but aside from all that there is revelation 13 mentioned several times so much so that worship becomes such a big deal that it will be pushed on believers just like it was in in daniel's time was was was pushed on this stuff and um in in sad shadrach meshach and abednego had to fall down and worship this golden idol and so i'm i don't think there's going to be a golden idol this time but i do believe that this is that satan in isaiah 14 12 says he would be like the most high he would be like the like the son of god and and and wants worship he wants worship out of these things so so long the long and the short of it is i went to dc to look at this rededicate america 250 and i was like oh my god i'm going to worship this golden idol and i'm going to worship it because i was concerned that there would be a a a um a getting rid of church and state a separation of church and state on this stuff and a combination of their end because if that happens then the church whatever church that is maybe it's ecumenical maybe it's the catholic
1:10:01 church maybe who knows what it is can tell the state what to do about certain things and that would definitely lead to some of this stuff as i was up there i talked to some of these congress people because i said look we got spiritualism this is spiritualism let me give you my book on so you can actually see what's what it is and one of the things and what while i was so i went around and i have a video on this i went around with my camera going the whole time so you can see me walk through the tunnels underground going through the difference checkpoints and giving these these pieces of uh um this the booklet that you had to congressman tim burchett congress um congress eric burleson um and i went to the offices of um the works and the government secret love aussie japan uh the um and uh the people that i was talking about when i started this thing um i was like i was like i i am such a science scientist you know i can't believe i'm here right now and i'm like not even holding up the foi to the the presidential election i'm like i'm i'm not even sure i'm getting a chance to talk about this and then i started to like i don't know i don't know how to do this like i don't know how to do this and then i started to have I was talking to people and the the people that were on that committee i was like oh you know this is this is stupid this is stupid They said, if it is God, we think that it would bring America to talk more about religious things, and that's what we want to do. If you're talking about demons and you're explaining, I don't think that's necessarily something that we should do to bring about more to talking about God. I think there's other ways we can talk about God from the Bible than talking about demons, but at least it's in their hands now, and we've talked about it.
1:11:45 Congratulations, man. I'm proud of you for taking that step. Again, a worker in this field, we labor, we take our shots, but we do, hopefully, as we're led, and God is leading you in great ways. I just pray that God continues to open doors for you and just use you, anoint you, teach you. I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean, continue to teach you. Unteach me if I'm wrong, the things we disagree, if ever that comes up. But. It's obvious, man. God is using you and going to hopefully continue to open more doors for you. Strangenormal.org to find more about Bradley. And I believe Nick will be joining us. He hasn't pushed us to close, but he can begin winding us down if he wants to. And if he doesn't show up, I'll let you keep on talking, Bradley. Yeah, there's the about page. I'm excited to see, Guy.
1:12:45 I'm excited to see, Guy, that you are in Roswell. And this is what I said at my talk at the church. I said, who would have known Roswell would be the center of this spiritualism that comes upon the earth? And I think, so I've sent out boxes and boxes and boxes, I think about 15 to 20 boxes of that booklet to Roswell, to the churches there, because I think it's important. I think it's so important that we. Churches. Yeah, well, I was to New Mexico. I've talked in, I talked to the Adventist church in Albuquerque, and I talked to an Adventist church in Roswell. So there was two churches, but they're, and I'll send it to anybody. It doesn't have any of our church writings in it. It doesn't, it's very non-denominational. Well done. Strangenormal.org. If anybody cares, I'm Guy Malone at AlienStranger.com.
1:13:45 GuyMalone.com. Got all kinds of weird stuff I'm into. Authored a couple of recent books. One on the supernatural, but anyway. There it is. Thanks for keeping us alive and giving us a voice, Nick. Greetings from sunny Roswell, New Mexico. Hope y'all will come see us again. Any plans to return, or is that too early to tell right now, Bradley? I do plan to return. I don't know when that will be. Hopefully next year. It really depends on how things go. If I'm invited back. To New Mexico, Albuquerque, Roswell. I think the church in Roswell asked me to come back. So I will definitely be back sometime. And I think that 2027 is going to be a big year. That's just my personal belief. But we'll see what happens.
1:14:36 Great. Well, thanks for joining us. Nick, throw on some music or we'll go to dead air now. God bless everyone.